Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hi On Thursday 19 January 2006 at 3:09:51 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Roelof Otten wrote: I'd assign 'colour groups'. However, I wouldn't name them like colours, but I'd give them the names of your projects. That way you can easily assign them to the right project. Also, how about a folder for each client within the project folder? Then, as well as filtering on colour group (for the project the email is related to) the VFs could watch particular folders (for which client it came from). -- Best regards, MFPA You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Martin, I would wish the memo auto view would be a dockable window, just like the attachment window or a header field (the way it's displayed while composing the email), just some kind of a small area that is always available if I wish to see it, instead of a separate window You can set up a View Mode that displays the memo field as a column in the message list. I do this for example for my faxes (which are forwarded to me by email as an attachment). The subject is always the same and I use the memo to describe what each fax is. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.65.04 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Martin, a special keyword in the memo-field: not very comfortable: I have to hit Shift-Ctrl-I for Autoview-Memo, type in the key, press the save-button and close the autoview-memo-window You are right, it is not very comfortable but it is the only solution I've found for a situation similar to yours. Well, I now decided (and already used) Roelofs suggestion to use color groups. I did not consider the possibility that a color group can also be colorless, thus only be used as a special mark without modifying the mail's appearance in the message list (which I would not want). Yes, I also use colour (or colourless) groups and they are a good solution when a message can only belong to one category. But if a message can belong to 2 or more, there is no way to do it with groups. And the only alternative I've found for that is to use the memo. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.65.04 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello MAU, Yes, I also use colour (or colourless) groups and they are a good solution when a message can only belong to one category. But if a message can belong to 2 or more, there is no way to do it with groups. And the only alternative I've found for that is to use the memo. Well, you are of course right. Hm... I just took the time to look through many of the emails in my project folder and found that there are only few mails that belong to two virtual folders *without* one of the factors being recipient or sender or subject. So in most cases color groups will do. But in the other case I of course still have to use the memo field. Thanks for pointing that out! I would wish the memo auto view would be a dockable window, just like the attachment window or a header field (the way it's displayed while composing the email), just some kind of a small area that is always available if I wish to see it, instead of a separate window. Would someone support such a wish? Or am I again the only one using that feature, in which case I would rather prevent keeping ritlabs from doing more important stuff like IMAP and ... (I always have the feeling they'd rather do new stuff than debugging old stuff ;-) -- Martin TB! 3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hallo Martin, On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:05:12 +0100GMT (20-1-2006, 12:05 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MS I would wish the memo auto view would be a dockable window, just like MS the attachment window or a header field (the way it's displayed while MS composing the email), just some kind of a small area that is always MS available if I wish to see it, instead of a separate window. It's available as column in the message list. -- Groetjes, Roelof No one tests the depth of a river with both feet. The Bat! 3.65.04 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpDfgVVdUAw6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Martin, On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MS I would wish the memo auto view would be a dockable window, just like MS the attachment window or a header field (the way it's displayed while MS composing the email), just some kind of a small area that is always MS available if I wish to see it, instead of a separate window. I think that's a very sensible suggestion. I use memos but normally have them viewable in a column because there are only two folders where I use them a lot. However, if they were dockable as you suggest, I'd probably use them even more for writing notes. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.65.04 with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Martin, On 20-01-2006 12:05, you [MS] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MS I would wish the memo auto view would be a dockable window, just MS like the attachment window or a header field (the way it's displayed MS while composing the email), just some kind of a small area that is MS always available if I wish to see it, instead of a separate window. Of course, memos are of little use in IMAP accounts. One Clear cache and they're all gone. I'd prefer them to be in external files (and not the index) and linked to messages using message-ids. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.70.01 (Beta) Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Roelof, Hallo Martin, On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:05:12 +0100GMT (20-1-2006, 12:05 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MS I would wish the memo auto view would be a dockable window, just like MS the attachment window or a header field (the way it's displayed while MS composing the email), just some kind of a small area that is always MS available if I wish to see it, instead of a separate window. It's available as column in the message list. Yeah, wish I could edit them there... -- Martin TB! 3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Martin, On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's available as column in the message list. MS Yeah, wish I could edit them there... You can. CTRL+SHFT+I -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.65.04 with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Peter, MS I would wish the memo auto view would be a dockable window, just MS like the attachment window or a header field (the way it's displayed MS while composing the email), just some kind of a small area that is MS always available if I wish to see it, instead of a separate window. Of course, memos are of little use in IMAP accounts. One Clear cache and they're all gone. That is bad. I'd prefer them to be in external files (and not the index) and linked to messages using message-ids. I'd say yes, but I guess that would cause quite some overhead when viewing and deleting messages, in case the number of memos is big. TB would have to look up in that external file(s) for a certain message ID to fetch the memo and display it. For a long message list (with memos displayed in a column) that could be a problem. The alternative I can think of is a small database-like storage file for memos and the mids they belong to. That would speed up the access to the memos when building message lists and viewing messages. But the file would not be human readable (in case you want to move or edit it manually) and the fact that there is still no databaselike construction to find messages quickly via global search shows me that ritlabs don't seem to like that database concept a lot. Another solution (not my favorite though) would be to store the memo in the message in a header field, but that would of course lead to other problems: - The integrity of incoming messages would be harmed (i.e. the TB!-rule that no incoming message is to be messed with in any way would no longer be followed) - if the message is forwarded the header would be included, maybe also confidential informations therein... Any thoughts? -- Martin TB! 3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Richard, Hello Martin, On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's available as column in the message list. MS Yeah, wish I could edit them there... You can. CTRL+SHFT+I Of course I know, how would a memo start its life otherwise ;-) ? But as I stated before the steps to open the window, type the memo, press save and close the window again seem rather complicated for just adding a keyword maybe. Just trying to find a simpler solution. -- Martin TB! 3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Martin, On 20-01-2006 13:18, you [MS] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd prefer them to be in external files (and not the index) and linked to messages using message-ids. MS I'd say yes, but I guess that would cause quite some overhead when MS viewing and deleting messages, in case the number of memos is big. Yup. Probably. MS The alternative I can think of is a small database-like storage file MS for memos and the mids they belong to. That would speed up the MS access to the memos when building message lists and viewing MS messages. Maybe - I wouldn't know. :-) MS Another solution (not my favorite though) would be to store the memo MS in the message in a header field, but that would of course lead to MS other problems: MS - The integrity of incoming messages would be harmed (i.e. the TB!-rule MS that no incoming message is to be messed with in any way would no MS longer be followed) Personally, I have no problem with this. MS - if the message is forwarded the header would be included, maybe also MS confidential informations therein... Yeah, this would be pretty bad. MS Any thoughts? Well, my only input is that the current implementation is pretty bad for IMAP (not at least because the current state of IMAP requires a fair number of Clear caches). -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.70.01 (Beta) Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Martin, On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MS Of course I know, how would a memo start its life otherwise Sorry. It's just that, from the way you replied about wishing to be able to edit the memos there (as I suggested, in the memo column) seemed that you didn't know you could do it that way. I'll go back into my corner now :-( -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.65.04 with SpamPal POP3 account and no Plug-ins | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro 3.0, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Martin, Thursday, January 19, 2006, 8:59:08 AM, you wrote: MS Any other suggestions? Thanks a lot for your time! I had an idea that might work for this, but I am having trouble testing it and need some help. My idea was to use manual filters with hotkeys to set a User Parameter for a message based on the content. For example if: sender contains Joe set ABC=1 subject contains lift set ABC=2 sender contains Joe and subject contains lift set ABC=3 You cannot test for User Parameter in a VF, so you would have to filter in Sorting office to assign color groups to the various user parameters and then set up the VF's based on this. You could then set these as Manual only and when you receive a message that matches your rule you could trigger it using a hotkey. Hopefully this makes sense in your given situation. Now the problem, I don't seem to be able to get user parameters to work. Can anyone assist with this. Are there any directions, I don't find any in the help file. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.65.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Richard, MS Of course I know, how would a memo start its life otherwise Sorry. It's just that, from the way you replied about wishing to be able to edit the memos there (as I suggested, in the memo column) seemed that you didn't know you could do it that way. I'll go back into my corner now :-( :-) don't you worry, you could as well have been right (I often overlook the most obvious things...) -- Martin TB! 3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello tbudl, Maybe some of the more experienced users can help me find the best way to do this: I have a folder called projects. In that folder I have numerous virtual folders for the different projects and clients. Virtual, because sometimes a mail belongs to project A and client B at the same time. I have the VF filtering by sender and recipient, i.e. one folder might have the setting sender-domain contains client B or another folder has subject contains projectA As you can imagine my clients don't have that discipline to write the project's name in every email, or a person not working in client B-company writes an email that thematically belongs to client B. What do you think is the best way to mark an email to belong to project A or client B so that the mail is found by the VF? - Assign color groups: wow, difficult when the number of project reaches more than 10 or so - a special keyword in the memo-field: not very comfortable: I have to hit Shift-Ctrl-I for Autoview-Memo, type in the key, press the save-button and close the autoview-memo-window Any other suggestions? Thanks a lot for your time! -- Martin TB! 3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hallo Martin, On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 15:59:08 +0100GMT (19-1-2006, 15:59 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MS - Assign color groups: wow, difficult when the number of project MS reaches more than 10 or so I'd assign 'colour groups'. However, I wouldn't name them like colours, but I'd give them the names of your projects. That way you can easily assign them to the right project. Remember that you don't need to define colour schemes for colour groups. -- Groetjes, Roelof As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. The Bat! 3.65.02 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpZ3nfoY3Y3m.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello Martin, - a special keyword in the memo-field: not very comfortable: I have to hit Shift-Ctrl-I for Autoview-Memo, type in the key, press the save-button and close the autoview-memo-window You are right, it is not very comfortable but it is the only solution I've found for a situation similar to yours. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.65.04 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to mark an email in a flexible way for filtering in VF's
Hello MAU, Hello Martin, - a special keyword in the memo-field: not very comfortable: I have to hit Shift-Ctrl-I for Autoview-Memo, type in the key, press the save-button and close the autoview-memo-window You are right, it is not very comfortable but it is the only solution I've found for a situation similar to yours. Well, I now decided (and already used) Roelofs suggestion to use color groups. I did not consider the possibility that a color group can also be colorless, thus only be used as a special mark without modifying the mail's appearance in the message list (which I would not want). Thanks anyway, MAU. I feel blessed that my simple question was answered by two beta-heavyweights (literally spoken of course :-) -- Martin TB! 3.65.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
