Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Sabtu, siang siang, [..in milis thebat!..] ..rest snipped challenge Set me straight then! Convince me! (On TBOT if need be.) /challenge ..Thomas said. What this word mean ? It's look like he use HTML mail, please don't use HTML mail..! For People who want little size mail, try using..., I'm forget what this named on english, What I mean is all people mail received on single mail, so you just get 1 header. usually weekly, or daily.. I don't know to set in this list.. Oh yeah, I'm know it now, "digest" -- "Squeal Boy, squeal" si setuden, yang nulis siang siang solid snake mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello solid, (ss == "solid snake") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: challenge Set me straight then! Convince me! (On TBOT if need be.) /challenge ss ..Thomas said. ss What this word mean ? It's look like he use HTML mail, please don't ss use HTML mail..! Heheh, no no. He was just using pseudo-HTML to enclose a `thought.' What Thomas did is harmless, and most certainly not HTML. :) -- ... Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-KeyID: 0xE4D0C7C8 Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer Tel: 864.227.0750 http://www.fusionwerks.com/ Fax: 864.942.7249 ... TB! 1.49c, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Thomas, T As for the footer, it is necessary, as most people (including myself) T don't always look at the header, but "where is the archive" is one of T those questions that come up too often otherwise. But why should someone look at the headers? That's pretty stupid except for spam mail... For frequently asked questions, refer the newbies to the appropriate link on the net, and that's it, like you and Mr. Januk referred me for macros and I agree with that. For me, that's fair and correct and I thank you both for this... -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Nick, NA -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- NA Hash: SHA1 What is this, more unnecessary data? :)) Just kidding, just kidding... NA So some of the headers are redundant, so what? If you don't want to view NA them, uncheck the item under View. This option is unchecked, of course. NA If, as you state, you have this misunderstanding, why then do you refer to NA it as "useless" data when you apparently have not cleared up that NA misunderstanding? Perhaps you should pay attention to some of that "useless For newbies it is not useless, sure, but it BECOMES very useless and ANNOYING when you have to read it in every post. NA You know, for a new person, you don't seem to be too happy here on TBUDL NA with either the way the messages are presented, nor the people who write NA them. Funny attitude for someone new to the List. Sorry, you got me very wrong my friend. I am a new person here, but I don't think my attitude is "funny". I just pointed out some disagreements and that's all. Please do not take me that serious... This is forum like every other one and we need to 'talk', right? :) I apologize again to everyone who got me wrong... -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hi solid, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:14:28 +0700GMT (20/01/2001, 16:14 +0800GMT), solid snake wrote: challenge Set me straight then! Convince me! (On TBOT if need be.) /challenge ..Thomas said. What this word mean ? It's look like he use HTML mail, please don't use HTML mail..! According to my Kamus, the word "challenge" is "tantangan" in Bahasa. I challenge Nick to convince me. If he succeeds, I'll sign my messages on this list, and I'll buy him a beer. It is not HTML, but it is made to look like HTML. It is actually plain text, and I say the challange starts at this point, and ends at the other. You can put anything you want into the HTML-like delimiters, for example: funny voice ...some text... /funny voice which makes sense only to humans but not to computers. Understand? -- Cheers, Thomas. Co-Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Lija, (L == "Lija") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: L For newbies it is not useless, sure, but it BECOMES very useless L and ANNOYING when you have to read it in every post. By any chance do you have RFC-822 Headers checked in the view menu? is this what you mean? If so, you can uncheck it (or Ctrl+Shift+K) to turn it off. If not, I don't see anything annoying about From, Reply-to, To, and Subject (I have Created enabled too, because I prefer not to view it in its own column, but I need to see it sometimes). If you somehow enabled the viewing of RFC-822 headers, and you're seeing that with every message you open, sure, I can understand what you mean by annoying -- especially on TBUDL, because you'd have to scroll 3 feet. -- ... Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-KeyID: 0xE4D0C7C8 Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer Tel: 864.227.0750 http://www.fusionwerks.com/ Fax: 864.942.7249 ... TB! 1.49c, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Sabtu, sore sore, [..in milis thebat!..] rest snipped According to my Kamus, the word "challenge" is "tantangan" in Bahasa. .. Thomas said solid# You mean in "Bahasa Indonesia" ? Bahasa means "Languange" I challenge Nick to convince me. If he succeeds, I'll sign my messages on this list, and I'll buy him a beer. heee..he, I hate bear, in my religion it's can't be drunk It is not HTML, but it is made to look like HTML. It is actually plain text, and I say the challange starts at this point, and ends at the other. You can put anything you want into the HTML-like delimiters, for example: funny voice ...some text... /funny voice .. Thomas said solid# I seee.. I know it now, I can make this example: fight are you chicken ? /fight with this I can make it from QUickTemplate, fight ctrlspace which makes sense only to humans but not to computers. Understand? ..Thomas said. Yes, I undestand it very Much..! So Much I don't understand from you all in this world, somebody please tell me what this sign -:) :P FYI, CMIIW IMO IMHO etc... -- si sepay, yang nulis sore sore solid snake mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Brian, BC By any chance do you have RFC-822 Headers checked in the view menu? is BC this what you mean? If so, you can uncheck it (or Ctrl+Shift+K) to BC turn it off. Oh Jesus... here we go again: Brian... please read again my previous reply... that option is NOT checked. BC If not, I don't see anything annoying about From, Reply-to, To, BC and Subject (I have Created enabled too, because I prefer not to view BC it in its own column, but I need to see it sometimes). Does this look like From/Reply-To/Subject etc. fields: -- X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Administrator: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : user -- A bit of mess, right? :) BC If you somehow enabled the viewing of RFC-822 headers, and you're BC seeing that with every message you open, sure, I can understand what BC you mean by annoying -- especially on TBUDL, because you'd have to BC scroll 3 feet. Indeed my friend, indeed... -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Lija, (L == "Lija") [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: L Oh Jesus... here we go again: SooOOOoo hostile. ;-) You sound like someone I know on another list. g snip L Does this look like From/Reply-To/Subject etc. fields: No, it doesn't. L -- L X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] L X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] L X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia L List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Administrator: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] L List-Archive: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com snip L A bit of mess, right? :) Yes. And the funny thing is, I don't see ANY of that unless I press Ctrl+Shift+K The footer has already been explained. BC If you somehow enabled the viewing of RFC-822 headers, and you're BC seeing that with every message you open, sure, I can understand BC what you mean by annoying -- especially on TBUDL, because you'd BC have to scroll 3 feet. L Indeed my friend, indeed... Then press Ctrl+Shift+K, or uncheck: View \ RFC-822 Headers I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. *Brian goes to sleepy land* G'night, -- ... Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-KeyID: 0xE4D0C7C8 Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer Tel: 864.227.0750 http://www.fusionwerks.com/ Fax: 864.942.7249 ... TB! 1.49c, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello solid snake ! On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:01:09 +0700 GMT your local time, which was 20.01.2001, 11:01 (GMT+0100) where I live, you wrote: FYI, For Your Information CMIIW Correct Me If I'm Wrong IMO In My Opinion IMHO In My Humble Opinion AFAIK As Far As I Know AFAICS As Far As I Can See - -- Best regards, Gerd == Using The Bat! Version 1.49 PGP-Keys on request mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_key - Erwerbsregel #191 Ein Ferengi wartet mit dem Bieten, bis seine Gegner sich selbst erschpft haben. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOmljdky/sHrVbGGHEQJIDQCeKqwf03ukR18UrmIZh65/s5ZvqL4AoJiM 37k5shYkWmq9TNxRGNiUIBps =Gawa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
L Oh Jesus... here we go again: BC SooOOOoo hostile. ;-) You sound like someone I know on another list. Hostile??? BC I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. H, it is very sad to hear something like this in non-political forum I thought we Serbs were the worst nation on the Earth, but now... I feel relief. Thank you Brian very much. Your primer will be my reminder. Thank you again! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Lija and other batters (Sorry Marck to reply to this thread declared closed by you, but I think it's necessary) On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:29:43 +0100, Lija wrote: BC I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. L H, it is very sad to hear something like this in non-political forum L I thought we Serbs were the worst nation on the Earth, but now... I feel relief. L Thank you Brian very much. Your primer will be my reminder. Thank you again! Your comment makes me wonder if you understood what Brain meant with shooting a horse. As you are pretty new to this list, you may not have encountered these long threads, where the same arguments return in circles and then a moderator declares a _thread_ to be a dead horse. In no case Brian meant that _you_ were a horse! Have a nice day Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Brian, On 20 January 2001 at 05:58:47 -0500 (which was 10:58 where I live) Brian Clark wrote and made these points: L Oh Jesus... here we go again: BC SooOOOoo hostile. ;-) You sound like someone I know on another list. Okay folks - let's veer away from the "personal" here please. L A bit of mess, right? :) BC Yes. And the funny thing is, I don't see ANY of that unless I press BC Ctrl+Shift+K I believe that Lija's point is that these headers are somewhat verbose, redundant and represent a theft of bandwidth, whether they are visible or not. And, do you know, I actually agree with (him?). BC I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. I am shooting the horse indeed, but only on TBUDL and not before saying that Lija has my full sympathy and I will be discussing the removal of these headers with Syafril as soon as he emerges. Their purpose is moot since TB doesn't support these list traffic headers. Having said that, they are part of a standard. I'm not sure if it's RFC - anyone know? If so, please reply on TBTECH only. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOml4eznkJKuSnc2gEQJ/+gCguUmvWFnSWiXFNFT9338xUxgvBqsAoOHL vSz59qe4VNBs875bhy/2tvrw =KHiW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, On 20 January 2001 at 13:35:17 +0100 (which was 12:35 where I live) Peter Steiner wrote and made these points: PS ... a moderator declares a _thread_ to be a dead horse. In no case PS Brian meant that _you_ were a horse! Thanks Peter - I missed that. You are quite right. This thread *is* dead here on the UDL but can continue on TBTECH. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmmLajnkJKuSnc2gEQK/cQCfZjNCGQLncr2c91/XK2iaQdUYSQsAoJhA C9mdO+6QKLDhLvbYZ9JN7uS5 =vVvW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello solid, Saturday, January 20, 2001, 11:01:09 AM, you wrote: So Much I don't understand from you all in this world, somebody please tell me what this sign -:) :P FYI, CMIIW IMO IMHO etc... Try http://www.acronymfinder.com/ when encountering acronyms, it is amazing what people can make up but it is tedious so you will have to learn some of them, TANSTAAFL g Yours Jonas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Saturday, January 20, 2001, Thomas wrote: As for the footer, it is necessary, as most people (including myself) don't always look at the header, but "where is the archive" is one of those questions that come up too often otherwise. Couldn't an alternative for that be to skip the footer and instead send a message containing "where is the archive" kind of information once a week? -- Urban I may still be on Windows 95 B, but that doesn't stop me from running TB! 1.49 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT : Bahasa [ was Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...]
Hello solid snake, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 17:01:09 GMT +0700(which was 1/21/2001 5:01 PM where you think I live) you told to Thomas on this list : According to my Kamus, the word "challenge" is "tantangan" in Bahasa. ss You mean in "Bahasa Indonesia" ? Bahasa means "Languange" No, Thomas correct with his Kamus (Thomas, you surprise me with your word G). "Bahasa" refer to "Bahasa Melayu" who currently used by Indonesian, Malaysian and some of Singapore people. On Singapore or Malaysia, this language commonly said as "Bahasa". -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : http://www.dutaint.co.id * Created : Sunday, January 21, 2001, 3:08:44 AM GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Urban, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 20:06:21 GMT +0100(which was 1/21/2001 2:06 AM where you think I live) you told to the list : As for the footer, it is necessary, as most people (including myself) don't always look at the header, but "where is the archive" is one of those questions that come up too often otherwise. U Couldn't an alternative for that be to skip the footer and instead U send a message containing "where is the archive" kind of U information once a week? That's not bad idea, I can do this automatically (using NT scheduler) if List Owner wish :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : http://www.dutaint.co.id * Created : Sunday, January 21, 2001, 3:06:08 AM GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 11:37:31 GMT +(which was 1/21/2001 6:37 PM where you think I live) you told to the list : [ ... ] MDP I believe that Lija's point is that these headers are somewhat MDP verbose, redundant and represent a theft of bandwidth, whether MDP they are visible or not. And, do you know, I actually agree with MDP (him?). BC I suspect Marck will be shooting this horse very soon. MDP I am shooting the horse indeed, but only on TBUDL and not before MDP saying that Lija has my full sympathy and I will be discussing MDP the removal of these headers with Syafril as soon as he emerges. MDP Their purpose is moot since TB doesn't support these list traffic MDP headers. I just on-line (sorry in normal I was not on-line on Saturday/Sunday unless my pager beep due Server problem or Marck Wake Up me). Some part of the header for MTA Recipient purpose (especially for Postmaster) and me as List Manager just in case the delivering of the messages failed. When the message from the listserver distribute to final recipient, not always going stright to final MTA, sometimes goes first to Relayer (for example bigfoot account do like this). Some MTA tend to truncated the message content while the message header keep intact for further analysis or tracing who responsible when Delivery of message failed and to whom address the mail to fix the problem, if not they will treat the message came from the spammer (UCE) and make blocking (from ListServer POV, blocking is waste the bandwith resources :-(). Other part of headers is for our (ListServer) purpose. I can truncate some headers, such as Original Sender Route to this listserver such EZMLM ListServer did, but the weakness of this approach, if there is problem on message Delivery or others (such as Message Duplicating by Open Relay MTA etc), I the only one can find out the real problem (by reading ListServer logs), it's very hurt due the logs size sometimes more than 200 MB size/day and I am not always online. With current conditions, all list member can help me or Marck to find out what's the real problem. MDP Having said that, they are part of a standard. I'm not sure if MDP it's RFC - anyone know? If so, please reply on TBTECH only. RFC-2369, we discussed this long time ago on TBBETA list. Unfortunately our TB not supported this RFC yet, so TB can't utilize those kind of header (Pegasus is one of the mailer that support RFC-2369, if member of this list using Pegasus 3.x, he/she knows what I meant). -- Best regards, - Syafril - ..Opinion expressed are only mine * Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL : http://www.dutaint.co.id * Created : Sunday, January 21, 2001, 3:00:43 AM AM GMT +0700 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Syafril, On 20 January 2001 at 03:14:46 +0700 (which was 20:14 where I live) Syafril Hermansyah wrote and made these points: As for the footer, it is necessary, as most people (including myself) don't always look at the header, but "where is the archive" is one of those questions that come up too often otherwise. U Couldn't an alternative for that be to skip the footer and instead U send a message containing "where is the archive" kind of U information once a week? SH That's not bad idea, I can do this automatically (using NT SH scheduler) if List Owner wish :-) I would rather exclude the headers. The footer is a lot smaller now and includes the unsubscribe link and a reference to TBTECH. I don't think that the "you are subscribed as" line makes a lot of difference either. Those that are going to try unsubscribing from the wrong address don't pay any attention to it anyway, so it serves no purpose IMHO. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOmn6gTnkJKuSnc2gEQJ24gCfbp9vvOUAmtw0kUkhWAixR6vB46sAmQG9 Tm8pG9IWiY8CfXbmOViIX/PT =CA3E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT : Bahasa [ was Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...]
Hallo Syafril, On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 03:14:10 +0700 GMT (21/01/2001, 04:14 +0800 GMT), Syafril Hermansyah wrote: According to my Kamus, the word "challenge" is "tantangan" in Bahasa. SH No, Thomas correct with his Kamus (Thomas, you surprise me with your SH word G). I have travelled in Indonesia and Malaysia and remembered the name of my little helper. ;-) Anyway, I looked the word "challenge" up under www.yourdictionary.com -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -Love is blind but like is just too freaked out to see straight. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hello tbUDL, All of you probably know this, but take a look at it again: -- X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Owner: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Administrator: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com -- 11 useless rows in ALL message headers here in TBUDL... plus the "signature": -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : user -- ... and PGP data... and large quotes... grmpf ;(( ... Why do you have to make it this way? Please forgive me for my misunderstanding, but these messages are bunch of USELESS data (well, 90% of them:)... -- Best Regards, Lija, YUPCExpert-Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hi Lija, On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 05:54:51 +0100GMT (20/01/2001, 12:54 +0800GMT), Lija wrote: 11 useless rows in ALL message headers here in TBUDL... plus the "signature": Not that useless. Some mailers read the "List-" headers and you can pop up a window. We are hoping for this to be included in The Bat at some time. Well, at least this is how I remember it to be when this large header was included. As for the footer, it is necessary, as most people (including myself) don't always look at the header, but "where is the archive" is one of those questions that come up too often otherwise. And the PGP sigs... some people are afraid that others will impersonate them or change their postings on this list. I don't think the PGP sig is necessary for anybody but the moderators, but it was discussed at length - most people disagreed with me - but at least S/Mime sigs (which are much bigger) were banned. Please see the archives for more details. -- Cheers, Thomas. Co-Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On January 19, 2001, at 10:23:50 PM, Thomas Wrote: T And the PGP sigs... some people are afraid that others will impersonate T them or change their postings on this list. Thomas, you are destroying my image of you! :o( I thought you were more forward thinking than that sentence indicates. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49c | PGP 7.0.3 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.3 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOmk4fsUChHR7o/3OEQJrhgCggaQ8MW2pjmJQPGw2/yGQXk5QNqQAoM5Z ZgYiFyjEw29AhnktDBI3Z3WN =Bz9T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On January 19, 2001, at 8:54:51 PM, Lija Wrote: L All of you probably know this, but take a look at it again: So some of the headers are redundant, so what? If you don't want to view them, uncheck the item under View. L 11 useless rows in ALL message headers here in TBUDL... plus the L "signature": The footer has a lot of valuable information in it, and not everyone has the view RFC-822 Headers checked. L ... and PGP data... They are called PGP Signatures. L and large quotes... grmpf ;(( ... With that, I'll agree... L Why do you have to make it this way? Please forgive me for my L misunderstanding, but these messages are bunch of USELESS data (well, 90% L of them:)... If, as you state, you have this misunderstanding, why then do you refer to it as "useless" data when you apparently have not cleared up that misunderstanding? Perhaps you should pay attention to some of that "useless data", and direct your message to: List-Administrator: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You know, for a new person, you don't seem to be too happy here on TBUDL with either the way the messages are presented, nor the people who write them. Funny attitude for someone new to the List. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49c | PGP 7.0.3 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.3 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOmk9csUChHR7o/3OEQK7VQCeNLnrbv4E/CX5W+7k0/XItP741AsAoOmP ZE5cIzYmZAbyWZ3rDtXwKke6 =V4Lj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Hi Nick, On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:04:43 -0800GMT (20/01/2001, 15:04 +0800GMT), Nick Andriash wrote: T And the PGP sigs... some people are afraid that others will impersonate T them or change their postings on this list. Thomas, you are destroying my image of you! :o( I thought you were more forward thinking than that sentence indicates. challenge Set me straight then! Convince me! (On TBOT if need be.) /challenge Here is my opinion, as expressed a few months ago in another thread, either here or on TBBETA: 1.) I said that general postings to mailing lists should not be signed. It's a waste of bandwidth. Remember, I said: "I would be honoured if someone wanted to impersonate me", after which somebody promptly did, causing me to LOL. By now, I don't mind if postings are PGP signed. (My average download speed has also improved by 50% from 1Kb/s to 1.5Kb/s. And: I *will* get a cable modem come April. Checking ISP's currently. Speeds with cable modems are rumoured to be up to 700Kb/s, even here. :-) 2.) I think the moderators should PGP sign their postings (at least when they are posting in a moderator's capacity, but it would be tedious to turn PGP-sing on and off). 3.) For private mail, PGP is a good idea. Both signing and encrypting. There is absolute agreement here. -- Cheers, Thomas. Co-Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Big useless TBUDL headers and messages...
Sabtu, pagi agak siang, [..in milis thebat!..] ..rest snipped ... and PGP data... and large quotes... grmpf ;(( ... Why do you have to make it this way? Please forgive me for my misunderstanding, but these messages are bunch of USELESS data (well, 90% of them:)... ..Lija said. yeah..he's right. Is better to make one week info about unsubscribe or other info..! -- "Squeal Boy, squeal" SS, yang nulis siang siang solid snake mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
