Re[2]: Filter logic

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck,

On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 15:10:42 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filter logic':

JR>> Was I to use the left "ALT" vs the right "ALT"?

Marck> Yes. Absolutely. They are different keys.

JR>> Maybe this is another one of those keyboard mapping problems?

Marck> It could be.

I think so as I've tried both left & right ALT keys with the same
non-result.  It would be nice to know what's going on with this.

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Re: Filter logic

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Jan,

On  31  January  2001 at 09:58:22 -0500 (which was 14:58 where I live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points:

Marck>> The only other thing I can think of os that we're talking
Marck>> about the Alt key on the left of the keyboard and not the
Marck>> AltGr key. [...]

JR> I'm not sure what you mean by the "AltGr" key. I am using an MS
JR> keyboard that has the ALT keys on the bottom row as in

JR> CTRL WINDOWS ALT SPACE ALT WINDOWS OPEN MENU CTRL
   ^^^ This is the AltGr key

JR> Was I to use the left "ALT" vs the right "ALT"?

Yes. Absolutely. They are different keys.

JR> Maybe this is another one of those keyboard mapping problems?

It could be.

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Re[2]: Filter logic

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck,

On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 14:41:33 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filter logic':

Marck> The only other thing I can think of os that we're talking
Marck> about the Alt key on the left of the keyboard and not the
Marck> AltGr key. [...]

I'm not sure what you mean by the "AltGr" key. I am using an MS
keyboard that has the ALT keys on the bottom row as in

CTRL WINDOWS ALT SPACE ALT WINDOWS OPEN MENU CTRL

Was I to use the left "ALT" vs the right "ALT"? Maybe this is
another one of those keyboard mapping problems?

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Re: Filter logic

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Hi Jan,

On  31  January  2001 at 09:14:33 -0500 (which was 14:14 where I live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points:

Marck>> If  you  didn't  do  as I have explained above then it may not
Marck>> have worked.

JR>   But I did do what you explained & still nothing happened (sigh).
JR>   Of course clicking on ADD SET adds another set.

Indeed.

JR>   BTW, I checked the System Hot Keys to see if there might be a
JR>   conflict there but nothing even comes close.

The  only  other  thing I can think of os that we're talking about the
Alt  key on the left of the keyboard and not the AltGr key. Other than
that  I  have  no  idea  why it wouldn't work for you. Anyone else any
other ideas?

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Re[2]: Filter logic

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck,

On Tuesday, January 30, 2001 02:16:25 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filter logic':

JR>>   created a new filter
Marck> Yes.
JR>>   created a new rule
Marck> You mean you filled in one rule on the actual "Rule" tab, yes?
 ^^^ yes

JR>>   Added one Alternative
Marck> You mean you:
Marck> 1) selected the "Alternatives" tab
Marck> 2) pressed the "Add set" button
Marck> 3) filled in the first line of the first additional filter string
Marck> Yes?
   ^^^ yes

Marck> (look  under  the  "Add  set"  button. It says "Use Alt+Ins/Alt+Del to
Marck> add/delete filtering strings" - that's what we're talking about here).
JR>>   Used ALT-ins Key (nothing happened)

Marck> If  you  didn't  do  as  I  have  explained above then it may not have
Marck> worked.

  But I did do what you explained & still nothing happened (sigh).
  Of course clicking on ADD SET adds another set.

  BTW, I checked the System Hot Keys to see if there might be a
  conflict there but nothing even comes close.

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Re: Filter logic

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Hi Jan,

On  31  January  2001 at 20:50:07 -0500 (which was 01:50 where I live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points:

JR>   Sorry, I'm feeling very thick tonight. I think I followed your
JR>   instructions:

JR>   created a new filter

Yes.

JR>   created a new rule

You mean you filled in one rule on the actual "Rule" tab, yes?

JR>   Added one Alternative

You mean you:
1) selected the "Alternatives" tab
2) pressed the "Add set" button
3) filled in the first line of the first additional filter string

Yes?

(look  under  the  "Add  set"  button. It says "Use Alt+Ins/Alt+Del to
add/delete filtering strings" - that's what we're talking about here).

JR>   Used ALT-ins Key (nothing happened)

If  you  didn't  do  as  I  have  explained above then it may not have
worked.

JR>   If it's really something simple I'm going to flog myself.

No  -  please  don't.  I'm  not  up  to  the  guilt  feelings of being
responsible for that amount of pain.

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Re[2]: Filter logic

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Marck,

On Tuesday, January 30, 2001 01:14:23 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filter logic':

Marck> [...] Secondary and tertiary ANDs are achieved with Alt-Ins
Marck> (to add additional - aka AND - filter strings) within
Marck> alternate sets. Create alternate set D then, when you have
Marck> defined rule D, press Alt-Ins to create an AND slot for rule
Marck> E.

  Sorry, I'm feeling very thick tonight. I think I followed your
  instructions:

  created a new filter
  created a new rule
  Added one Alternative
  Used ALT-ins Key (nothing happened)

  If it's really something simple I'm going to flog myself.

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Re: Filter logic

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Hi Jan,

On  30  January  2001 at 18:15:33 -0500 (which was 23:15 where I live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points:

JR> ... If I understand this correctly, I could make a Rule that
JR> required A & B & C or (alternatively) required (D & E) Set 1 or
JR> alternatively (H) Set 2 or alternatively (I) Set 3, etc.

Yes.

JR> My question to you is how do I add D & E on the same alternative
JR> set? I know "|" is or. What is "and"?

Secondary  and  tertiary  ANDs  are  achieved  with  Alt-Ins  (to  add
additional  -  aka AND - filter strings) within alternate sets. Create
alternate  set  D then, when you have defined rule D, press Alt-Ins to
create an AND slot for rule E.

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Re[2]: Filter logic

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Marck,

On Tuesday, January 30, 2001 21:25:40 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filter logic':

Marck> and then, on the Alternatives, we have two sets
Marck>  _
Marck> |D_|??_|Yes___|
Marck> |E_|??_|Yes___|

  I'm almost there, Marck. In the Alternatives, I've always assumed
  each was a separate criteria. If I understand this correctly, I
  could make a Rule that required A & B & C or
  (alternatively) required (D & E) Set 1 or alternatively (H) Set 2
  or alternatively (I) Set 3, etc.

  My question to you is how do I add D & E on the same alternative
  set? I know "|" is or. What is "and"?

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Re[2]: Filter logic

[Tony Owens]

Hi Marck,

On Tuesday, January 30, 2001, at 3:33:46 PM, Marck wrote: 

MDP> If  you  have  3 filters on the first page (A, B, C) and 2 sets on the
MDP> alternatives pages (D, E) and (F) then the logic is:

MDP> (A AND B AND C) OR (D AND E) OR (F).

MDP> Is that any clearer?

MDP> Just  to  obfuscate  a  little  bit more, you *can* use '|' as OR in a
MDP> signal string to allow even more complex constructs like:

MDP> ((A|B) AND C) OR (D AND E) OR ((F|G) AND H AND (I|J))

MDP> Yeah - I know - I've gone too far now :-( ... sorry.


Quite clear now - thanks. Actually, I hadn't noticed the
"Use Alt+Ins/Alt+Del to add/delete filtering strings" message on
the Alternatives tab before. Now it makes more sense.

Yeah, you can really tie yourself up in knots with this stuff,
eh? :-)

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Re: Filter logic

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Hi Jan,

On  30  January  2001 at 15:55:01 -0500 (which was 20:55 where I live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote and made these points:

Marck>> If  you  have  3 filters on the first page (A, B, C) and 2 sets on the
Marck>> alternatives pages (D, E) and (F) then the logic is:

Marck>> (A AND B AND C) OR (D AND E) OR (F).

Marck>> Is that any clearer?

JR>   Now I'm confused. I thought it would have been:

JR>   (A & B & C) or (D or E or F)

JR>   What happens if you 5 alternatives or more as I do on one filter?

Let me try and show you the same set first: On the first page is this
 _
|A_|??_|Yes___|
|B_|??_|Yes___|
|C_|??_|Yes___|

and then, on the Alternatives, we have two sets
 _
|D_|??_|Yes___|
|E_|??_|Yes___|


 _
|F_|??_|Yes___|

That makes (A AND B AND C) OR (D AND E) OR (F).

To get (A & B & C) or (D or E or F) on the first page is this
 _
|A_|??_|Yes___|
|B_|??_|Yes___|
|C_|??_|Yes___|

and then, on the Alternatives, we have *three* sets
 _
|D_|??_|Yes___|

 _
|E_|??_|Yes___|

 _
|F_|??_|Yes___|


JR>   What happens if you 5 alternatives or more as I do on one filter?

If  they're  in  a  block  they're all ANDed. If they're all separate,
they're all ORed.

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Re[2]: Filter logic

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Marck, Sorry to jump in on this thread but

On Tuesday, January 30, 2001 20:33:46 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Filter logic':

Marck> If  you  have  3 filters on the first page (A, B, C) and 2 sets on the
Marck> alternatives pages (D, E) and (F) then the logic is:

Marck> (A AND B AND C) OR (D AND E) OR (F).

Marck> Is that any clearer?

  Now I'm confused. I thought it would have been:

  (A & B & C) or (D or E or F)

  What happens if you 5 alternatives or more as I do on one filter?

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Re: Filter logic

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Hi Tony,

On  30  January  2001 at 14:57:44 -0500 (which was 19:57 where I live)
Tony Owens wrote and made these points:

TO> For instance, if I define two AND filters (say, A AND B), and a
TO> single 'OR' (alternative) filter, C, how is the whole filter
TO> interpreted:

TO> (A AND B) OR C?

Yes

TO> (A OR C) AND (B OR C)?
TO>   or some other way?

No.

If  you  have  3 filters on the first page (A, B, C) and 2 sets on the
alternatives pages (D, E) and (F) then the logic is:

(A AND B AND C) OR (D AND E) OR (F).

Is that any clearer?

Just  to  obfuscate  a  little  bit more, you *can* use '|' as OR in a
signal string to allow even more complex constructs like:

((A|B) AND C) OR (D AND E) OR ((F|G) AND H AND (I|J))

Yeah - I know - I've gone too far now :-( ... sorry.

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Filter logic

[Tony Owens]

Can someone explain the logic used when using multiple 'AN'D and
'OR' filter strings? As far as I can tell, the alternative
filter(s) does not seem to be associated with any particular
'AND' filter.I think Marck Pearlstone touched on this in a
previous post, but I didn't really understand it.

For instance, if I define two AND filters (say, A AND B), and a
single 'OR' (alternative) filter, C, how is the whole filter
interpreted:

(A AND B) OR C?
(A OR C) AND (B OR C)?

  or some other way?



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