Re: HTML email's will not show content?
Hello Dwight, 6 Jan 2002, 07:03:21, you wrote to TBUDL: But it would be nice if the Bat! had a full-fledged html viewer with the ability to toggle on/off external images. DAC I used to espouse this view on this list but have come around to the DAC view that just clicking on the html message icon and opening the DAC message in my browser is a very adequate remedy. I agree with Dwight. The security of not opening images automatically is well worth the slight inconvenience of having to open trusted HTML-mail in your browser. -- Best regards, Ottar Grimstad, Norway mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.online.no/~ottgrims Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/24 on Windows 98 version 4,10 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML email's will not show content?
Hello Don! On 6 Jan 2002 at 08:13:33 you wrote: And the fact that the Bat doesn't do html is always mentioned as a weakness in most reviews I've read. This is not against you, but against the reviewers you mention. What kind of an argument is this? The same reviewers always tell us how bad and unsecure HTML messages are, so why should it be *necessary* to have the feature to *create* them? So much for the specific argument. Now, what kind of argument is it anyway? I know of a lot of software that doesn't offer the ability to create HTML files. Some programmers obviously think HTML necessary. But why on earth should CorelDraw, Word or Paradox need it? And all of them create bad code, in the case of Word it is bloated and sometimes even proprietary, Corel's is bloated and Paradox's is just plain unusable and funny.* To get back on track: Critics will always find something to criticize, someone once asked - jokingly - why TB! can't make a decent cup of coffee (actually it can). I don't need one programme which does it *all*. It is much easier to use a programme that does what it should do and no more. If I need HTML to convey something I can write a file in various programmes and attach it to a message. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/25 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Peace: In international affairs, a period of cheating between two periods of fighting. (Ambrose Bierce) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
HTML email's will not show content?
I think I have settings correct, but HTML content in emails is shown as !? Neal -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML email's will not show content?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Neal, On 05 January 2002 at 13:12:51 [GMT-0700] (which was 20:12 where I live) Neal wrote to tbudl and made these points: I think I have settings correct, but HTML content in emails is shown as !? Your settings are correct. This is all TB will show of out-of-line images, and rightly so. This topic is dealt with on the FAQ web site. Please refer to http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/faq.html for more information. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/24-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8N2I/OeQkq5KdzaARAtENAJ412ASD3RsmfcUitRdS8s9eJMBNEQCg7w5U geQzoMgtWpGfTf9JmzB0aZQ= =Cztt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML email's will not show content?
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Neal, On 05 January 2002 at 13:12:51 [GMT-0700] (which was 20:12 where I live) Neal wrote to tbudl and made these points: I think I have settings correct, but HTML content in emails is shown as !? Your settings are correct. This is all TB will show of out-of-line images, and rightly so. This topic is dealt with on the FAQ web site. Please refer to http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/faq.html for more information. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator I'm sorry, but can't make heads or tails out of the FAQ page, I think the FAQ page needs it's own FAQ page. I was lucky to even figure out how to find the mail-list. Neal -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML email's will not show content?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Neal, On 05 January 2002 at 13:43:59 [GMT-0700] (which was 20:43 where I live) Neal wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: This topic is dealt with on the FAQ web site. Please refer to http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/faq.html for more information. I'm sorry, but can't make heads or tails out of the FAQ page, I think the FAQ page needs it's own FAQ page. I was lucky to even figure out how to find the mail-list. :-). http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Messages.html#3E will take you to the relevant entry. It says: The Bat! does not download images that are not sent with the message. It is widely considered that this is a good thing. The downloading of images should be the job of a browser and it can become a security problem when that functionality is given to an off-line email reader. The work-around if you really want to see these images is to double-click on the HTML attachment to view it in its full gory (sic) in your favourite web browser. It is understood that TB V2 may eventually provide an option that will cover this. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/24-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8N2j4OeQkq5KdzaARAgA6AKD2RLes6htLRcVRZNFrbrUWA69/5QCbB6Wy 4UsNbOyvYwFuKQ0MPFEAx00= =W4t3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML email's will not show content?
Hello Neal, 5 Jan 2002, 22:43:59, you wrote: N I'm sorry, but can't make heads or tails out of the FAQ page, I N think the FAQ page needs it's own FAQ page. N I was lucky to even figure out how to find the mail-list. Welcome to the club... -- Best regards, Pete -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML email's will not show content?
Hello Marck, 5 Jan 2002, 3:58:30 PM, you wrote: MDP It is understood that TB V2 may eventually provide an option that MDPwill cover this. Am I wrong that we've been waiting for this for a long time? Love to be able to read Japanese/Korean/Chinese characters Love to be able to compose rich text e-mails as well. I don't use those features everyday, but I do occasionally . . . Well, all those were promised awhile back. Hopefully in year 2002??? -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML email's will not show content?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kenneth, On 05 January 2002 at 16:29:48 [GMT-0500] (which was 21:29 where I live) Kenneth S. Rhee wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points: MDP It is understood that TB V2 may eventually provide an option MDP thatwill cover this. Am I wrong that we've been waiting for this for a long time? To an extent, yes. Many of the v2 features have already put in an appearance. Most of the remainder are in the latest beta. Love to be able to read Japanese/Korean/Chinese characters This is not going to part of the early v2 release. Love to be able to compose rich text e-mails as well. This probably will be. Sadly from my POV, but there you are. Hopefully in year 2002??? Q1 is the current release schedule. Let's hope that the beta goes well. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/24-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8N3ImOeQkq5KdzaARAq7dAKDIIgFb/8qVf5b2JBPMXZKlVG5a6ACfaxNb UMTK97hpf9ZrfiTh/wrZgkk= =F99z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML email's will not show content?
Hello Marck, 5 Jan 2002, 22:37:40, you wrote to TBUDL: Love to be able to compose rich text e-mails as well. MDP This probably will be. Sadly from my POV, but there you are. I know you are going to stop this discussion as a moderator soon, as it has been a recurring theme, but you started: I agree that plain text is the best for most emails, but rich text is out there, and _sometimes_ it can be nice to have the possibility. If it is beeing made available with v2, then I will for 99% stick to plain text anyway, but I think it will be nice, not sad, to have the possibility the few times I need it. -- Best regards, Ottar Grimstad, Norway mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.online.no/~ottgrims Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/24 on Windows 98 version 4,10 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML email's will not show content?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ottar, On 05 January 2002 at 00:39:27 [GMT+0100] (which was 23:39 where I live) Ottar Grimstad wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points: I agree that plain text is the best for most emails, but rich text is out there, and _sometimes_ it can be nice to have the possibility. I know what you're saying. I'll never (and I mean never) use it myself, but I can see the requirement. If it is beeing made available with v2, then I will for 99% stick to plain text anyway, but I think it will be nice, not sad, to have the possibility the few times I need it. Sadly is about how many people go over the top as soon as they get their hands on rich text formatting. Suddenly everyone's sending HTML mails (and it is HTML mail we're talking about here, not merely RTF, which is at the same time both a proprietary and a widely variant standard). That's sad - I'd rather it didn't have to be encouraged. At the same time, as I say, I see the need. The even bigger need here is the need to get a tick in the features column in comparative reviews. That one I can't argue with, not for one second g. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/24-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8N5GbOeQkq5KdzaARAsE5AKDH2FaeHTZlLymNxrBwPGbBcl4ErQCeLleC QjSS5j25XSbznjUPTj8ai8g= =274e -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML email's will not show content?
On 1/5/2002 at 3:51 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Sadly is about how many people go over the top as soon as they get their hands on rich text formatting. Suddenly everyone's sending HTML mails (and it is HTML mail we're talking about here, not merely RTF, which is at the same time both a proprietary and a widely variant standard). That's sad - I'd rather it didn't have to be encouraged. At the same time, as I say, I see the need. The even bigger need here is the need to get a tick in the features column in comparative reviews. That one I can't argue with, not for one second g. And the fact that the Bat doesn't do html is always mentioned as a weakness in most reviews I've read. Personally, I can live without the ability to compose those types of mails, since I always use plaintext. But it would be nice if the Bat! had a full-fledged html viewer with the ability to toggle on/off external images. This is one strong feature of Pocomail. I would leave images off to avoid possible web bugs unless the mail was from a trusted source, such as a mailing list from a software company. -- Regards, Don Zeigler ...Redneck Seven Course Dinner: Possum and a six pack! This email and tagline brought to you by The Bat! 1.54 Beta/24 running under Windows XP build #2600 www.donzeigler.com Grand Funk Railroad's Roadkill Gallery Fred on Everything The Mothman of Point Pleasant John Edward/Crossing Over One Eyed Gypsy Official Fan Site Forums -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML email's will not show content?
Hello Marck, On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:37:40 + GMT (06/01/2002, 05:37 +0800 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Love to be able to read Japanese/Korean/Chinese characters MDP This is not going to part of the early v2 release. Sorry to contradict, but I have been able to read and to compose mails in Chinese ever since I started using TB (and that was v1.34). The only problem is that the viewer will not make a line break, as the whole text appears to it as one word (no spaces, you see). This makes it rather unusable for Chinese people, but has nothing to do with the character rendering. Workaround is to write emails with manual line breaks. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/25 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML email's will not show content?
On 6 Jan 2002, 1:13:33 AM, Don Zeigler wrote: But it would be nice if the Bat! had a full-fledged html viewer with the ability to toggle on/off external images. This is one strong feature of Pocomail. I would leave images off to avoid possible web bugs unless the mail was from a trusted source, such as a mailing list from a software company. I used to espouse this view on this list but have come around to the view that just clicking on the html message icon and opening the message in my browser is a very adequate remedy. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/25 on Windows NT version 5,1 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
