Re: Mail Ticker (was: Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alexander, On 26 February 2001 at 09:58:53 +0100 (which was 08:58 where I live) Alexander Levenetz wrote and made these points: AL Mark was talking about a system-wide hot key. Is that the AL Ctrl-Shift-T combination? No. See Tools / Define system hot-keys. The last of these is "Open mail ticker". You can define your own hot-key to this operation. This hot key works *wherever you may be* (hence "system"). There is no default until you define one. AL What is it supposed to do? It's supposed to open the ticker VF at leftmost message fully listed (not half on/half off the LHS) on the ticker. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 04) iQA/AwUBOporujnkJKuSnc2gEQLssACgunXEaMbaFZbRFeOevW4qHHU1FQIAoM6f QtPUdu23EffS4mh4PdyJ7tic =CfNb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Sunday, February 25, 2001 at 6:14:23 AM you wrote: How do you do that? Mine runs and runs and runs and runs... like an old VW. If I'd knew ... I asked here two times - once last summer for an office machine with an age old ATI graphics adapter under Windows 98, a second time a few weeks ago for my own comp with a Matrox G400 DH - and only got one answer telling me "Confirmed". Well, what ever the prob is, look at the archives where I elaborated a bit for technical details. Since I don't have an all-day-open line now (and enter my password every time I fetch or send mail), for the moment the MT is not that important to me. Adding in a side note: I really like the feature and will use it some day, when it runs smoothly and telephone and Internet rates are better in Germany (last so called flat rate has just been cancelled). - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C I never think of the future. It comes soon enough. (Albert Einstein) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOpix/vTo1oA8g8dLEQKHXgCg5qiAfW8ccHfdrbQOof/bXa4wyOkAn2aU eI/IlzQ8ug0iZg+FFOy4UdXs =aK58 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, On 25 February 2001 at 09:19:24 +0100 (which was 08:19 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote and made these points: DH Adding in a side note: I really like the feature and will use it DH some day, when it runs smoothly and telephone and Internet rates DH are better in Germany (last so called flat rate has just been DH cancelled). What have telephone and internet rates got to do with the ticker? It's not an "on-line" facility you know. It's just a virtual folder which is filled with pointers to all new mail. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpjoNjnkJKuSnc2gEQKF/QCfbGcatelxxiB2LmJn7WwCRm/pO9kAn3Bw toNpImHVb2MM5G9Ypfd67fDJ =J2AX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck! On Sunday, February 25, 2001 at 12:10:46 PM you wrote: What have telephone and internet rates got to do with the ticker? It's not an "on-line" facility you know. It's just a virtual folder which is filled with pointers to all new mail. That's they way you use it. I have used it to not think of looking up "What's new". What I mean is: Being connected always I can work - yes, I do that - and when new messages come (let's assume every half hour TB! checks for them) I just see them, can decide if I am interested, look at them or go on working. I am not much interested in the virtual folder. If I want to have all my new mail in one folder I would just not filter them automatically and leave the "Inbox" open (19 inch monitor). After having read I can then filter manually. As Thomas pointed out some days ago in another context: Everybody has his own preferences and usage. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization. (Georges Clemenceau) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOpjfF/To1oA8g8dLEQJLaACeKGSadawXUwE1mo1csjU2GDxCgo8AoLQJ 5d3Nc+MpzOGAbUCGsOd3DWgl =0wwn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, On 25 February 2001 at 12:31:36 +0100 (which was 11:31 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote and made these points: ... It's just a virtual folder which is filled with pointers to all new mail. DH That's they way you use it. WADR that's coincidental. What I wrote above is an accurate technical summary of what the ticker is and does, however you or I may wish to make use of that functionality. DH I am not much interested in the virtual folder. If I want to have DH all my new mail in one folder I would just not filter them DH automatically and leave the "Inbox" open (19 inch monitor). After DH having read I can then filter manually. True. It's a matter of quantity. I get around 300-500 messages daily. I would spend almost as long sorting them as reading them if they were all just dumped in my inbox. DH As Thomas pointed out some days ago in another context: Everybody DH has his own preferences and usage. Quite right. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpj7uDnkJKuSnc2gEQIN9gCeOFsB5A6wK7FV0mKLAZuB7FM+ZRoAnieA YB2sfy7iiBgCMPwyyfoVZIp5 =LyIY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:34:00 +, Marck thoughtfully wrote the following: --snip-- DH I am not much interested in the virtual folder. If I want to have DH all my new mail in one folder I would just not filter them DH automatically and leave the "Inbox" open (19 inch monitor). After DH having read I can then filter manually. MDP True. It's a matter of quantity. I get around 300-500 messages MDP daily. I would spend almost as long sorting them as reading them MDP if they were all just dumped in my inbox. The ticker also allows you to view only particular new messages as well. If all messages are in the inbox, you'd have to wade through new messages you aren't interested in. - -- - Allie - ~~~ A. Curtis Martin|List Moderator (PGP Key ID: 0x2B0717E2)|(TBUDL|TBBETA|TBTECH) The Bat! v1.49c | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) ** Opinions given are mine and not necessarily those of RITLABS ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (build 03) Comment: Signed for sender and message verification. iQA/AwUBOpkC+VfJ62ArBxfiEQInyQCgjtLFZtLuKReDxd0Gg/tCgqAVECsAoKiH b4IlW2Htjdw+YkCyhGVjS4er =gzQf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Mail Ticker issue (was Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck! On Sunday, February 25, 2001 at 1:34:00 PM you wrote: WADR that's coincidental. What I wrote above is an accurate technical summary of what the ticker is and does, however you or I may wish to make use of that functionality. That I did not question. :-) I just replied to your query about telephone rates. And I think my way of using (or actually not using) the MT answered that. True. It's a matter of quantity. I get around 300-500 messages daily. I would spend almost as long sorting them as reading them if they were all just dumped in my inbox. I don't get that much - some mailing lists less ;-) - but I see your point. that's why I filter and have other folders. Concurring with Allie, I don't have to see every message in the MT. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Where there's a will there's a won't. (Ambrose Bierce) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOpj7sfTo1oA8g8dLEQKHLACfQhpDvHFW+Ms+p/TyB/BA4094UuoAoNj5 lb2zSd3da103wXFfdeUoXt+c =ZFVM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hallo Allie, On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:04:57 -0500 GMT (25/02/01, 21:04 +0800 GMT), A Curtis Martin wrote: ACM The ticker also allows you to view only particular new messages as ACM well. If all messages are in the inbox, you'd have to wade through new ACM messages you aren't interested in. Not quite. When there are, say, 25 new messages, it takes some time until a particular message comes around again. In fact, my main use for the ticket is that I can see while sitting in front of the TV whether new messages have come in - my PC is some 10 meters from the sofa, and my eyes are not good enough to see the bat flapping it's wings. Quite a waste of programming power, one would think, but hey, at least it's not disabled. ;-) I use the virtual folder occasionally, but only if there are only a few new messages. I don't like to read new mail across folders; I read all messages in one folder, then proceed to the next. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:55:49 +0800, Thomas contributed this to our collective wisdom: ACM The ticker also allows you to view only particular new messages ACM as well. If all messages are in the inbox, you'd have to wade ACM through new messages you aren't interested in. T Not quite. When there are, say, 25 new messages, it takes some time T until a particular message comes around again. What I meant was that you can select which folders new messages to display. I have my ticker configured to display new messages that arrive in only some and not all folders. You can further restrict the messages displayed by using the message age criteria. - -- - Allie - ~~~ A. Curtis Martin|List Moderator (PGP Key ID: 0x2B0717E2)|(TBUDL|TBBETA|TBTECH) The Bat! v1.49c | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) ** Opinions given are mine and not necessarily those of RITLABS ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (build 03) Comment: Signed for sender and message verification. iQA/AwUBOpkjTlfJ62ArBxfiEQIOMwCeJjFxx6NR6JwTML3ti26NNuWp5OcAoOTX oY/5V+pDh7cHt5of7tEcnAoS =G2c6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello Thomas, I use the virtual folder occasionally, I must say that I don't quite understand what this virtual folder is about. What does it look like and what is the connection with the MT? Could someone maybe explain that to me? TIA Greetings, Alexander -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 8:39:33 AM, Keith wrote: One more question: I do have a backup from a couple of months ago. Can anyone tell me if there is a way I can restore my Inbox from there without losing messages from the other folders? Will it overwrite existing messages, overwrite the entire folders, create duplicates, or what? How did you do your backup--with TB's backup tool or not? TB's backup tool seems to facilitate only all-or-none restoration (I've never tried, so somebody please correct me if I'm wrong here). If you choose to restore mail folders, it would restore all mail folrders -- of course by overwriting existing ones. If you did it manually (with an archive utility, backup utility, or plain file copying), then you may just restore the Inbox directory. If you used TB's backup tool, then you may copy all your mail folders to another location with your file manager (when TB is closed), and copy all other folders except the Inbox back after the restoration. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hallo Alexander, On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:24:47 +0100 GMT (25/02/01, 23:24 +0800 GMT), Alexander Levenetz wrote: AL I must say that I don't quite understand what this virtual folder AL is about. What does it look like and what is the connection with the AL MT? Could someone maybe explain that to me? TIA Double-click on the MT. A View folder window opens, which contains all unread messages that are announced in the MT. This folder view is "virtual", as there is no single folder containing all these messages: they are across folders. HTH. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If I worked as much as others, I would do as little as they. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hallo Ming-Li, On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:14:15 -0800 GMT (25/02/01, 23:14 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ML How did you do your backup--with TB's backup tool or not? TB's ML backup tool seems to facilitate only all-or-none restoration (I've ML never tried, so somebody please correct me if I'm wrong here). If ML you choose to restore mail folders, it would restore all mail ML folrders -- of course by overwriting existing ones. You could export your Inbox first. Then let it overwrite. Import the previously exported mails. Kill dupes. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello Thomas, Double-click on the MT. Nothing happens. Does this maybe have to do that there is no new message in my inbox but only in other folders? Message age: nothing set. A View folder window opens, which contains all unread messages that are announced in the MT. Sounds like not every new message is announced in the MT?? I have the feeling that something is not working correctly here on my system :-) Greetings, Alexander -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Mail Ticker (was Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Alexander! On Sunday, February 25, 2001 at 8:17:35 PM you wrote: I have the feeling that something is not working correctly here on my system :-) Thought I had changed the subject sometime today. OK, here we go again. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Ein Berater ist jemand, der 49 Liebespositionen kennt, aber kein einziges Mdchen. (Kasimir M. Magyar) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOplbN/To1oA8g8dLEQL0swCg12mHLRcZ0Ljyn03q+Gf8BScBR6gAn3KS 0yKhPY/u5THqAvnXXe0ag8ps =0S2C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hi Alexander, On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:17:35 +0100GMT (26/02/2001, 03:17 +0800GMT), Alexander Levenetz wrote: Double-click on the MT. AL Nothing happens. Does this maybe have to do that there is no new AL message in my inbox but only in other folders? Message age: nothing AL set. Oh? If there are any messages in the MT, these are new, and these should be listed in the virutal folder that opens. Of course, I have set my MT to "show automtically", so if there are not new messages, mine won't show. If you have set your to "show always" (see Option / Mail Ticker in the main menu), then it will also show with "0 messages new", and no virtual folder will open. (It would be empty anyway.) Therefore, try double-clicking on the MT when there are new messages. A View folder window opens, which contains all unread messages that are announced in the MT. AL Sounds like not every new message is announced in the MT?? Correct. In the folder options, you can choose not to show new messages in the mail ticker. Most people will use the mail ticker for personal messages (considered urgent), but disable it for folders into which they receive newsletters or mailing list traffic. AL I have the feeling that something is not working correctly here on my AL system :-) I think we'll have to check your settings a bit further. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, On 26 February 2001 at 11:56:19 +0800 (which was 03:56 where I live) Thomas wrote and made these points: Double-click on the MT. AL Nothing happens. Does this maybe have to do that there is no new AL message in my inbox but only in other folders? Message age: nothing AL set. T Oh? If there are any messages in the MT, these are new, and these T should be listed in the virutal folder that opens. Of course, I have T set my MT to "show automtically", so if there are not new messages, T mine won't show. I'd like to add the description of a "quirk" or two I've observed with the MT (and it annoys me no end). You get no reaction when double clicking on the "n new messages" section of the ticker. You get no response from the system-wide hot key to open the MT VF when the ticker is short, the "n new messages" section is visible, the first message details aren't entirely on-screen. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpnYtjnkJKuSnc2gEQLdKQCeMidoQJE+NJbBkLNuGHnH9ii3nUYAn0lx VfgBWm4f8dMPkcVptkXwEbRu =ay/A -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
On 24-02-2001 at 07:47, Thomas kindly wrote: I always have a couple hundred to a couple of throusand messages in the inbox. It's for those senders that do not warrant their own folder. That's a *lot* for an inbox. When the traffic with these senders increases, I will create a folder, because it annoys me that incoming and outgoing messages are in seperate folders, this being the major reason. You could consider to create chronological folders for this. That's what I do: apart from separate folders for some people, I store my mail per year amd within that, per month. When the month is done I move my sent mail to that folder too. - K - -- The charm of self-inflicted insults comes in knowing how far to dig the knife and, with a surgeon's precision, how to avoid the rawest nerves. It is as harmless a sport as tickling oneself. - Alain de Botton: Kiss Tell -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
On Friday, February 23, 2001, 8:07:03 PM, Yuki wrote: BC This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who BC regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past BC after a disk defrag. Do you guys and gals think this is BC something to worry about? I don't think I've defragged my hard BC disk since I've installed TB!, but I do compress on every BC exit. FWIW, I purge and compress often and do defrag once a while, to keep my disk "neat and clean" (as Thomas put it) and to keep my old machine running smoothly. Not a problem either with Win2k or (in the old days) with Win98. I'd also like to ask a follow up on this regarding whether compress problems are OS or program related. I use Agent, and purge and compact after every use -- at least once a day, often more -- and I've *never* had a problem with the database. So I'm wondering if such problems can be honestly laid at the doorstep of the OS. Just curious. I also purge and compact Agent database often (not as often as you do, but still more than once a week). Never a problem. But I don't have problem purging and compressing TB message base, either. FAT and FAT32 aren't known for robustness. Many people do defrag only when they notice their machines are slowing down. They are not aware that the slow down might be caused by being up too long without a reboot (for Win9x systems) and all those memory leaks, system resources leaks, and other system hazards accompanying it. IOW, they do defrag when the system isn't fresh and healthy, and that IMHO is what usually causes the problem. You hear this kind of story all the time in newsgroups, and people usually blame the applications for lack of better explanations. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.49e | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, February 23, 2001, 4:48:37 PM, Allie aka Curtis wrote: A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well. FWIW, I had not run a defrag for some time, so this was not a factor. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, February 23, 2001, 4:37:46 PM, Marck wrote: YT It would seem to me that if there is something unstable about the YT Inbox, then there is a horrible bug that needs addressing right YT *now*. Maybe, but it's not up to RITlabs to cure OS errors. M$ sure aren't going to. Every report I've seen of folder contents being lost have revolved around compressing the folder and an OS sneeze of some sort. Well, as much as I like The Bat, and as much as I dislike the instability of Windows, one fact remains: In 8 years of using email, I've never lost an entire folder of messages, except with TB--and it's happened 3 times in the past year and a half. Granted, the first year or two were using Pine on a Unix system, but other than that I used Pegasus, Eudora, and Becky (and a couple of others briefly), all under Windows. I don't know if compression is the problem, but it isn't OS errors alone that are the problem--it's the interaction between TB and Windows. No RIT can't be expected to cure OS errors, but I wish they would protect from them, as far as our email is concerned. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...If a program is useful, it must be changed. Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 7:26:31 AM, Karin wrote: You could consider to create chronological folders for this. That's what I do: apart from separate folders for some people, I store my mail per year amd within that, per month. When the month is done I move my sent mail to that folder too. The problem with that is that then searching becomes a nightmare. I also wonder how Marck handles this, with several hundred of folders. If I can't remember who wrote a particular message, or in what context, I have a problem, because, as far as I know, TB has no ability to search across folders (just down into subfolders). And the more separate archives I have, the more the problem is magnified. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...You never finish a program, you just stop working on it. Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Keith, On 24 February 2001 at 08:34:11 -0700 (which was 15:34 where I live) Keith Russell wrote and made these points: If neither of these methods reveals your missing mail, then sadly they have been vaporised. KR That's what I didn't want to hear 8-(. My sympathies are with you. I must take this opportunity to recommend a good folder structure and filtering system. "Important" message should certainly be filtered to a safe place the moment they arrive. KR My system is the same as Thomas's. He said: It's for those senders that do not warrant their own folder. When the traffic with these senders increases, I will create a folder, KR All my mailing list messages go into their own folders. Most KR personal mail does not. The reason is that I don't want to miss KR it. I don't want to have to check dozen of folders every time I KR read my mail, just to make sure I don't miss something important. Now that's where the ticker really comes into its own. All new messages - *one virtual folder* - wherever that new message may have ended up being filtered to. I keep TB in the tooltray most of the time. All new message reading is done from the ticker virtual folder. KR What I do need to do is set up more rules to filter mail when it KR is read (I have a few). Even then, I prefer to filter some types KR of mail manually; that way, I can put it in an "Action", KR "Pending", "Important", or similar folder, if necessary. That's another way, but when the ticker VF is as good as it is, why bother? Even if you don't want to *see* the ticker, move it off screen and assign as system-wide hot key to it to open the VF when you know there is new mail to read. KR On the other hand, I'm considering moving all otherwise unfiltered KR mail until a "To Read" folder. I think your reference to the Inbox KR as "middle of the main thoroughfare" was interesting. The fact KR that all mail goes through there to be filtered probably makes it KR a dangerous place. Indeed. Of my 92000+ messages on file here, *zero* reside in the inbox. Then again, I'm a level 4.5em so no wonders there ;-). KR You're a what? Level 4.5 Email-aholic :-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpfadTnkJKuSnc2gEQJROgCfaWj4Jq3j4/h+FKddZdedaJBIe+8AnjRi vcbPITh9qKgkJqA19mUM871a =kQjr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 9:13:20 AM, Karin wrote: I just search in the "year" folder, while checking the Check subfolders. That covers all months of the year. I see. That sounds like it would work. If needs be, you can check your whole account for a specific mail. I have just under 90.000 messages stored, and TB goes through them *real* fast. How do you search a whole account? Last time I checked, I couldn't manage to do that. Clearly, I missed something. Thanks. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Diets are for those who are thick and tired of it. Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 8:59:48 AM, Marck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Keith, On 24 February 2001 at 08:34:11 -0700 (which was 15:34 where I live) Keith Russell wrote and made these points: If neither of these methods reveals your missing mail, then sadly they have been vaporised. KR That's what I didn't want to hear 8-(. My sympathies are with you. Thank you. It is appreciated. KR All my mailing list messages go into their own folders. Most KR personal mail does not. The reason is that I don't want to miss KR it. I don't want to have to check dozen of folders every time I KR read my mail, just to make sure I don't miss something important. Now that's where the ticker really comes into its own. All new messages - *one virtual folder* - wherever that new message may have ended up being filtered to. I keep TB in the tooltray most of the time. All new message reading is done from the ticker virtual folder. KR What I do need to do is set up more rules to filter mail when it KR is read (I have a few). Even then, I prefer to filter some types KR of mail manually; that way, I can put it in an "Action", KR "Pending", "Important", or similar folder, if necessary. That's another way, but when the ticker VF is as good as it is, why bother? Even if you don't want to *see* the ticker, move it off screen and assign as system-wide hot key to it to open the VF when you know there is new mail to read. Okay--guess it's time to look into the ticker again. You've convinced me! Of my 92000+ messages on file here, *zero* reside in the inbox. Then again, I'm a level 4.5em so no wonders there ;-). KR You're a what? Level 4.5 Email-aholic :-). Ah...missed the "em" reference. I've forgotten how I tested out, but I know my level would be super-high, as well. But one can be an Email-aholic without being as organized as you apparently are 8-). -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Useless Invention: Cordless plumb line. Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Friday, February 23, 2001, 10:20:32 AM, Keith wrote: I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course, I've been busy and had not gotten around to cleaning up the folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a result, I've lost several hundred messages, including many of my most important ones. One more question: I do have a backup from a couple of months ago. Can anyone tell me if there is a way I can restore my Inbox from there without losing messages from the other folders? Will it overwrite existing messages, overwrite the entire folders, create duplicates, or what? -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Keith, On 24 February 2001 at 09:33:43 -0700 (which was 16:33 where I live) Keith Russell wrote and made these points: KR How do you search a whole account? Last time I checked, I couldn't KR manage to do that. Clearly, I missed something. It's one of the radio button options on the search dialog: o Folder [_] [_] Include Sub-folders o Current Account o All Accounts - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpfk/TnkJKuSnc2gEQKckgCgortXZPJ1lC1Uss+g7XiHMv3CRd0AoPbK 3EgKIgmNDSVMszmYGlf6JuVD =AKw8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
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On 24-02-2001 at 17:33, Keith Russell kindly wrote: If needs be, you can check your whole account for a specific mail. I have just under 90.000 messages stored, and TB goes through them *real* fast. How do you search a whole account? Last time I checked, I couldn't manage to do that. Clearly, I missed something. In the first screen that comes up when you search, there's a small list: Look in: O Folder O Include subfolders O Curent account O All accounts - K - -- Being an artist is not a profession. It is a dilemma. - Performer and artist Ulay -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
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Hallo Karin, On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:26:31 +0100 GMT (24/02/2001, 22:26 +0800 GMT), Karin Spaink wrote: KS You could consider to create chronological folders for this. KS That's what I do: apart from separate folders for some KS people, I store my mail per year amd within that, per month. KS When the month is done I move my sent mail to that folder KS too. I don't keep most mails that long. If something is important, I park the message. Otherwise, they get purged after between 15 and 180 days, depending on the folder. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. "For drowning: Climb on top of the person and move up and down to make artificial perspiration." Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. On Saturday, February 24, 2001, 10:00:35 AM, Karin wrote: On 24-02-2001 at 17:33, Keith Russell kindly wrote: In the first screen that comes up when you search, there's a small list: Look in: O Folder O Include subfolders O Curent account O All accounts Boy, do I feel stupid now! Thanks. -- Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...Where there's a will, there's an inheritance tax. Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 on a Pentium II 233 with 64 MB. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck! On Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 4:59:48 PM you wrote: Now that's where the ticker really comes into its own. All new messages - *one virtual folder* - wherever that new message may have ended up being filtered to. I keep TB in the tooltray most of the time. All new message reading is done from the ticker virtual folder. Reminds me, I really want to work this way (except for the forbidding telephone and Internet rates in Germany for being on line all the time), if the Mail Ticker would not get stuck after 1.5 to 2 cycles. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.49 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C One man is as good as another - until he has written a book. (Benjamin Jowett) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: To further and enhance security for everybody! iQA/AwUBOpgDefTo1oA8g8dLEQL1AwCgqvhw9ScS3gaEFIhuPJ5MKTd5yCkAoO/y mEWK77XAePCnzLIZmB5J2NuM =jP/9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hello Keith, On Saturday, February 24, 2001 09:33:43 [ -0700 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Ouch! Where Are My Messages?': Keith How do you search a whole account? Last time I checked, I couldn't Keith manage to do that. Try F7 -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Using TB! v1.49 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
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Hallo Dierk, On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:54:47 +0100 GMT (25/02/2001, 03:54 +0800 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: DH Reminds me, I really want to work this way (except for the forbidding DH telephone and Internet rates in Germany for being on line all the DH time), if the Mail Ticker would not get stuck after 1.5 to 2 cycles. How do you do that? Mine runs and runs and runs and runs... like an old VW. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. -Pity the poor egg: it only gets laid once Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course, I've been busy and had not gotten around to cleaning up the folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a result, I've lost several hundred messages, including many of my most important ones. Can someone please remind me of what I need to do to get them back? Thanks. Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hallo Keith, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:20:32 -0700 GMT (24/02/2001, 01:20 +0800 GMT), Keith Russell wrote: KR I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course, KR I've been busy and had not gotten around to cleaning up the KR folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a result, I've lost KR several hundred messages, including many of my most important KR ones. KR Can someone please remind me of what I need to do to get them back? First, try hitting esc in the message view. If this doesn't bring the messages back, try Folder / Browse deleted messages. Let us know what you see. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I intend to live forever - so far, so good Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Keith, On 23 February 2001 at 10:20:32 -0700 (which was 17:20 where I live) Keith Russell wrote and made these points: KR I logged into TB this morning and my Inbox was empty. Of course, KR I've been busy and had not gotten around to cleaning up the KR folder, nor had I backed up recently. As a result, I've lost KR several hundred messages, including many of my most important KR ones. KR Can someone please remind me of what I need to do to get them KR back? One way - provided that you haven't purged / compressed the folder, is to delete the .TBI file and start up TB letting it rebuild the index. Another is to "browse deleted messages". If neither of these methods reveals your missing mail, then sadly they have been vaporised. I must take this opportunity to recommend a good folder structure and filtering system. "Important" message should certainly be filtered to a safe place the moment they arrive. Of my 92000+ messages on file here, *zero* reside in the inbox. Then again, I'm a level 4.5em so no wonders there ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpaiaDnkJKuSnc2gEQJQhQCdGmO/JVgdAEyTk9Lk3Pjjz6UfY5AAoLJS A6jyYL/BS+4d9J5J4yuXUa6E =fBl4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hi Marck, ... MDP Another is to "browse deleted messages". Maybe I miss the obvious, but is there a way to undelete a message except copying it to another folder? -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists writing without the moderator's hat on ;-) Using The Bat! 1.49 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Stadtallendorf, Germany, on a 166Mhz Cyrix, 128MB SDRAM, half SCSI system ;-) http://www.wolfgang-kynast.de/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Yuki, On 23 February 2001 at 08:09:27 +0900 (which was 23:09 where I live) Yuki Taga wrote and made these points: MDP I must take this opportunity to recommend a good folder MDP structure and filtering system... YT To me, this begs a rather obvious question: Why on earth would the YT Inbox, apparently a folder like any other folder, with the YT difference the TB! begins by putting all new mail there, be any YT less "safe" (your word) than any other folder in the hierarchy? Well, I wouldn't leave my valuables in the middle of the main thoroughfare. The folder is being expanded and compressed on a continual basis and *nothing* is perfect in Windoze. One OS glitch and the folder is toast. YT It would seem to me that if there is something unstable about the YT Inbox, then there is a horrible bug that needs addressing right YT *now*. Maybe, but it's not up to RITlabs to cure OS errors. M$ sure aren't going to. Every report I've seen of folder contents being lost have revolved around compressing the folder and an OS sneeze of some sort. YT And you didn't really elaborate on "good folder structure" very YT much, only apparently suggesting to filter everything out of the YT Inbox immediately. For example, what would a "bad" folder YT structure look like? LOL :-) I make no judgement calls. Each to their own here, so long as the Inbox is uncluttered. I have hundreds of folders in a cascade up to about five deep. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpb0SjnkJKuSnc2gEQKBIACglJ8518vUo+qNSx4e+CBfilIJifQAoKJB gCa77jtpEeHAYrqdzdbbop2+ =mr2H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:37:46 +, Marck wrote these comments: MDP Well, I wouldn't leave my valuables in the middle of the main MDP thoroughfare. The folder is being expanded and compressed on a MDP continual basis and *nothing* is perfect in Windoze. One OS MDP glitch and the folder is toast. chuckle I have to agree on that. YT It would seem to me that if there is something unstable about the YT Inbox, then there is a horrible bug that needs addressing right YT *now*. MDP Maybe, but it's not up to RITlabs to cure OS errors. M$ sure MDP aren't going to. Every report I've seen of folder contents being MDP lost have revolved around compressing the folder and an OS sneeze MDP of some sort. A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well. - -- - Allie - ~~~ A. Curtis Martin|List Moderator (PGP Key ID: 0x2B0717E2)|(TBUDL|TBBETA|TBTECH) The Bat! v1.49c | Windows NT 5.00.2195 (Service Pack 1) ** Opinions given are mine and not necessarily those of RITLABS ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Signed for sender and message verification. iQA/AwUBOpb21VfJ62ArBxfiEQLNtgCcCbNOrLCcI/DzWpg/bkwTJ38fBTIAoL2+ onJHwT8wRnVKh3clX0qW7eZE =oDA5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
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Hi Allie, @ 6:48:37 PM on 2/23/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well. This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past after a disk defrag. Do you guys and gals think this is something to worry about? I don't think I've defragged my hard disk since I've installed TB!, but I do compress on every exit. As a matter of fact, soon after my father installed TB! his computer wouldn't boot one morning, and I had go over and reinstall Windows. It turns out, he regularly runs scandisk and defrag. I have no earthly idea if this was directly related to TB! and folder compression. -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [TB! 1.49e, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Brian, On 24 February 2001 at 20:04:18 -0500 (which was 01:04 where I live) Brian Clark wrote and made these points: A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well. BC This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who BC regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past BC after a disk defrag. snip BC I have no earthly idea if this was directly related to TB! and BC folder compression. Here's a software engineering take on the issue. Compressing the folders is a matter or reading a flat data file and rewriting it omitting data flagged as no longer required. It's a simple software engineering feat. No "great mysteries" there. No need to get "flash" with the OS to make it happen. No inherent problem AFAIAC. Such an operation *is* going to result in a fragmented file system however. Nothing extraordinary, just run of the mill, standard operation stuff and not exactly an unexpected side-effect. If the OS defrag routines subsequently choke on a defrag, whose fault is it? Where is the remedy? What is the circumstance? While I can understand the need for regular scandisk operations, I wonder at the need for /regular/ defrags. Defrag by hand when the system starts to feel a bit sluggish is my personal preference. I have to be skeptical of a defrag being done when the OS (esp. Win9x) has been "up" for a while. These are operating systems whose stability decreases the longer they run for. I must say that this isn't quite as true of NT/2k. Nevertheless, I know which kind of operation is going to be inherently more stable between TB's folder compression and an OS defragmentation. Clue: it's not the defrag ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49e S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOpcPXTnkJKuSnc2gEQIlMACdFksIkEn4vcraPNPH343EijUntc4An2Zf D+wbZbNQ2KPLVxMTZA92AVYu =F9/0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hi Marck, @ 8:33:17 PM on 2/23/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a software engineering take on the issue. [...] While I can understand the need for regular scandisk operations, I wonder at the need for /regular/ defrags. Defrag by hand when the system starts to feel a bit sluggish is my personal preference. I'm not known to regularly defrag my hard disk. :) I think I've done it 3 times in 2 years or so, maybe longer. I'd rather leave that sort of thing alone. It seems like in the past, when I tried to do more house-cleaning, it did more harm that good (or so it seemed). I didn't mean to sound like I was terribly worried that TB! would trash the Operating System -- I'm far more worried about losing any archived mail. I do, however, backup all of my mail every other day, and as of a week ago I feel pretty prepared, should the worst happen. -- Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Designer, and Programmer PGP is spoken here: 0xE4D0C7C8 [TB! 1.49e, Windows 98 (SE) 4.10 Build A] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Friday, February 23, 2001, 9:13:09 PM, you wrote: BC I'm not known to regularly defrag my hard disk. :) I think I've done BC it 3 times in 2 years or so, maybe longer. I'd rather leave that sort BC of thing alone. It seems like in the past, when I tried to do more BC house-cleaning, it did more harm that good (or so it seemed). BC I didn't mean to sound like I was terribly worried that TB! would BC trash the Operating System -- I'm far more worried about losing any BC archived mail. I do, however, backup all of my mail every other day, BC and as of a week ago I feel pretty prepared, should the worst happen. I've seen some third-party disk tools ( esp Norton Utilities) do some major damage. However I use w2k'2 defrag before I do my weekly drive backup and have never had a glitch. -- Benmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Saturday, February 24, 2001, 10:04:18 AM, Brian wrote: BC Hi Allie, BC @ 6:48:37 PM on 2/23/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A disk defrag seems to be a common precursor to folder disasters. The FAT based file system is very likely a weakness as well. BC This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who BC regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past after BC a disk defrag. Do you guys and gals think this is something to worry BC about? I don't think I've defragged my hard disk since I've installed BC TB!, but I do compress on every exit. I'd also like to ask a follow up on this regarding whether compress problems are OS or program related. I use Agent, and purge and compact after every use -- at least once a day, often more -- and I've *never* had a problem with the database. So I'm wondering if such problems can be honestly laid at the doorstep of the OS. Just curious. -- Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On February 23, 2001, at 8:07:03 PM, Yuki Taga Wrote: YT I'd also like to ask a follow up on this regarding whether compress YT problems are OS or program related. I use Agent, and purge and YT compact after every use -- at least once a day, often more -- and YT I've *never* had a problem with the database. So I'm wondering if YT such problems can be honestly laid at the doorstep of the OS. Just YT curious. I would like to add that I do *weekly* (twice weekly at times) maintenance consisting of Scandisk followed by a complete Defrag, and have never had a problem with TB! Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49c | PGP 7.0.3 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOpdhLcUChHR7o/3OEQIGVACgkwAg7jCtThTGh5mj8cpz/54VylMAoNGV gNU7dDZm+dPO+Y+Dmxb4e4fJ =H3Ve -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hallo Marck, On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:37:46 + GMT (24/02/2001, 07:37 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: YT To me, this begs a rather obvious question: Why on earth would the YT Inbox, apparently a folder like any other folder, with the YT difference the TB! begins by putting all new mail there, be any YT less "safe" (your word) than any other folder in the hierarchy? MDP Well, I wouldn't leave my valuables in the middle of the main MDP thoroughfare. The folder is being expanded and compressed on a MDP continual basis and *nothing* is perfect in Windoze. One OS glitch and MDP the folder is toast. Technically you mgith be right, but I have never seen this happen: the inbox being less safe than any other folder. I always have a couple hundred to a couple of throusand messages in the inbox. It's for those senders that do not warrant their own folder. When the traffic with these senders increases, I will create a folder, because it annoys me that incoming and outgoing messages are in seperate folders, this being the major reason. Everyone has another way of dealing with their inbox. There is certainly no fixed rule. ;-) MDP LOL :-) I make no judgement calls. Each to their own here, so long as MDP the Inbox is uncluttered. I have hundreds of folders in a cascade up MDP to about five deep. See, and I don't like to have hundreds of folders, much less five feet deep. As I said, it's a matter of taste. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. In a Bangkok dry cleaner's: Drop your trousers here for best results. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ouch! Where Are My Messages?
Hallo Marck, On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:33:17 + GMT (24/02/2001, 09:33 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: BC This has me a little worried. I seem to recall that people who BC regularly compress their folders have had problems in the past BC after a disk defrag. I compress my folders every couple of days. I defrag my HD's about once a month. I have never had any problems after a defrag. Just for the record. MDP Here's a software engineering take on the issue. MDP While I can understand the need for regular scandisk operations, I MDP wonder at the need for /regular/ defrags. Defrag by hand when the MDP system starts to feel a bit sluggish is my personal preference. Correct. About once a month here, as I donwload, install, uninstall, delete etc a lot. Folder compression gives me over 1MB each time. I like to have my files defragged, as I do notice a performance slow-down (I have a speed of a mere 366MHz to search through 2GB of of a not-too-fast Maxtor), and fragmented files are not as "neat" (from a German perspective of having every "neat and clean" all the time - my mother taught me well), and also, I think I read that file reading/writing errors are more likely on fragmented files than on those that are not. MDP I have to be skeptical of a defrag being done when the OS (esp. Win9x) MDP has been "up" for a while. On this I agree. Before defrag, reboot, and then close all apps that run in the background (SETI@Home, anitivirus, firewall, of course any internet connections, internat.exe, PGP Tray, etc) and let Defarg do it's thing without interference. I guess if anybody has had problems after a defrag, there might have been a program running in the background, and hey, this is Windows, so don't believe that seperate threads are always seperate threads. MDP These are operating systems whose stability decreases the longer MDP they run for. I must say that this isn't quite as true of NT/2k. It definitely is for C-Win98. MDP Nevertheless, I know which kind of operation is going to be MDP inherently more stable between TB's folder compression and an OS MDP defragmentation. Clue: it's not the defrag ;-). Then it must be SETI@Home. Crashes less often than windows. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Dog for sale: eats anything and is fond of children. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
