Re: Poco means Not Much
Hello Jan, Sorry it took so long to write back to you. This is my work e-mail account and I was off for the weekend. :-) Friday, June 29, 2001, 7:50:24 PM, you wrote: JR Could you give me some examples to illustrate the utility of JR Poco's scripting language vs the use of templates in TB! Well, the Poco scripting language, although still a bit lacking, is something that Poco just can not match. Simply put, the ability to construct IF, IF THEN conditions, nested even, is VERY useful. Even though The Bat! has a very good filters sometimes you just need a little bit more programmatic control. TB! has FAR more template variables of the % like than Pocomail does. Bottom line for me is that although Pocomail has a scripting language I would take, and HAVE taken, TB! over it any day. Hopefully when the new vertsion of TB! comes out we'll be able to overcome this shortcoming with plugins. JR What are the qualities of TB! that make it such a superior JR email client in your opinion. 1. Speed. TB! retrieves messages faster in my opinion. 2. Size. Poco is a very attractive e-mail program. The best looking one I have ever seen hands down. But, that comes at a heavy price of consuming a lot of Windows resources. The old version would consume all your available resources if left running on a Windows 95/98 PC for a couple days straight. The new version supposedly has fixed this problem. 3. There are FAR more hot keys available in TB!, and that are configurable. 4. The filtering of the Bat is still more powerful than Pocomail but Poco has made a HUGE leap in filtering capability in the new version. I'll list more as I think of them. really, you should download the evaluation version of Poco and see for yourself. As I said, my wife uses the newest registered version of Poco and is very happy with it. I think Poco is the second best e-mail program I have ever used next to TB!, but, I hear that Becky is very good as well. Good luck! -- Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Best regards, Gerry Doyon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment or non text part has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re[2]: Poco means Not Much
Hello Gerry, On Monday, July 02, 2001 08:03:36 [ -0400 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Poco means Not Much': Gerry I'll list more as I think of them. really, you should download the Gerry evaluation version of Poco and see for yourself. Thanks very much for your Poco eval notes. I agree, having downloaded played w Poco. It sure is good looking but does lack in the template/filtering areas. I think the moderators have designated this a 'dead horse' so further discussion should probably move off-list or @ least to the OT-list. Thanks again. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.53d/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan and Marck, Monday, July 02, 2001, 9:27:24 AM, you wrote: JR Hello Gerry, JR I think the moderators have designated this a 'dead horse' so JR further discussion should probably move off-list or @ least to the JR OT-list. I really apologize for sending this message on the list!!! I could SWEAR that I cut and paste Jan's actual e-mail address in the List's place. I *know* this was a dead horse and meant to take this off-line. Once again, copious amounts of apologies!! - -- Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Best regards, Gerry Doyon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed, sealed and delivered. iQA/AwUBO0CO3RalOqMy8yvQEQJHSgCgz8tNTlR06329LpiRn91ZXuH2bQ4An3wI MngW1/AQjxiMRI49kb9wqN+f =h+4L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Poco means Not Much
Hello Gerry, On Monday, July 02, 2001 11:10:17 [ -0400 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Poco means Not Much': Gerry I could Gerry SWEAR that I cut and paste Jan's actual e-mail address in the List's Gerry place. I think CTRL-F4 replies to the 'From:' address rather than the 'Reply To:' address. HTH -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.53d/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Don! On Saturday, June 30, 2001 at 6:22:58 AM you wrote: I worked in Chula Vista, CA for six years in a plant whose workforce was of mostly Mexican origin, most of them from Tijuana or other parts of Baja. They used poco as I described previously to describe a small or dimunitive item, thing, or person. Why can't anyone just ask the developers what they thought? If you think being called narrowminded is a personal attack, you're way too sensitive. Most of the comments up to now in this thread were of the form You can't call it something derogatory because it isn't bad. So Poco users seem to be sensitive even to a linguistic statement about a programme's name. Yes, narrow minded in English is a personal attack. I read an email from you that makes derogatory comments about a program you've never bothered to try, and narrowminded is an appropriate term. He didn't (and I didn't). Again, some people use a computer and its software as a means to an end and not an end in itself. I once tried out a prog that I didn't like, and it took me weeks to get the control of my computer back completely. For people who are not to deep into registry settings, INI files and whatever, it is a good choice not to test anything. Or do you read every book, see every film, buy every record someone is recommending? At least before I comment on a piece of software, I make the slight effort required to download the trial and actually run the thing. Examples from my experience: 1. WordPerfect 9 (German version crashed nearly every five minutes, was definitely unusable) 2. OE (takes over a lot of things it shouldn't, open to attacks; bad defaults) 3. Lotus Office for OS/2 (so slow you could plant and harvest your own coffee) 4. Star Office 4 for OS/2 (jumbled up all system fonts unreadable) 5. Star Office for Windows (only installable complete; uses its own desktop *over* Windows desktop) I could surely go on. All of this programmes were tested by me, all of them killed my time major. Some of them troubled me and my system for weeks. And all from the paradigm, Let's try it , perhaps they aren't that bad. No, a viable alternative is - as always in life: Only try out the new if it will bring more than you already have, bring things in you need and will not bring more trouble. As I pointed out in another mail, the points mentioned in favour of Poco were three, only one was a major goodie (scripting), the others were superfluous (HTML editing and skins). I don't buy a hammer just because I can change its colour or let it swing through nice curves to hit a nail. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization. (Georges Clemenceau) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOz1vnfTo1oA8g8dLEQLVhQCgyzikwJNiFCCC7+2LVcVtnJgBg48Anih3 r1Jo48sUMqS+gvMTrRzp23lO =5oS/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Carren! On Saturday, June 30, 2001 at 6:00:28 AM you wrote: Exactly! This is a TB!list so why are we even discussing Poco? Because we can learn of implementations and features being perhaps good to TB!? Each to his own, and you have obviously already made up your mind what you do and don't like, so what is the point of trying to prove one better than the other. He isn't. He wants to know *what* the points in favour for one and *what* the points in favour of the other are. With *no* _a priori_ defined goal. Maybe he will change, or not. I think his way is the same as mine: Never fiddle with a running system - if it satisfies. To be honest, I never wanted to change my horses midway through a race. And I for my part would never even think of changing my wife just because someone else praises his. Only when I find myself unsatisfied (and this pun *is* intended) I would consider switching. BTW, I am not married, and my comments concerning switching women is purely for illustration. I don't consider any kind of relationship that easy. And I don't like political correctness a lot. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C It's never too late to start all over again. (John Kay) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOz1rifTo1oA8g8dLEQLwIwCfW46OQ6fX9j8wPgccDaiXraU8kGUAnjVR q0RI2O1wcQ4TndXv9LlJu5tS =F00C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan! On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 7:38:56 PM you wrote: I would be interested in hearing your comments after downloading Poco giving it a once over. I am a *user*, who has to do work with his programme. So I chose the conservative way: If you are happy with it, stay with it. For the moment there is no need to change my e-mail client, so I won't test another. That, BTW, was one of the points of my cited message. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOz1m8fTo1oA8g8dLEQK7+gCfXBDsQKZHaSqhWXr6cbOObE+sHegAoNaJ V0up4VcVkaMtJdu3Il4DkP/1 =vQkq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
TB! v. 1.42 (Re: Poco means Not Much)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Douglas, On Saturday, June 30, 2001 at 21:37:24 -0600, Douglas Hinds [DH] wrote concerning 'Poco means Not Much': Maybe a dumb question but why are you still using TB! version 1.42? Why didn't you upgrade to the latest version? - -- Best regards, David ** 007 of Borg: A View to An Assimilation. ** [TB! 1.53d] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 633@874 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBOz2M2FK9yf5+yp9NEQJ8NQCgtNWU2+ndLzGUWPvZ2I/Zxd+sb6sAoOdP Wnj1nW9hTyMM0SPthByLXXXd =ubGC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE (was Re: Poco means Not Much)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, On 30 June 2001 at 09:20:11 +0200 (which was 08:20 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote to Don Zeigler and made these points: moderator This is not to Dierk - it's to all people involved in this thread. /moderator If you think being called narrowminded is a personal attack, you're way too sensitive. moderator Woah there! narrowminded is *certainly* derogatory. But that's not why I'm butting in. This thread started with vague pretensions of being on-topic as an almost interesting feature comparison. Sadly (and predictably, I suppose) it has degenerated and I must call it officially terminated. No more mail on this list on this topic. Thank you. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53d/iKey1000 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7PZ5EOeQkq5KdzaARAn2NAJwM8fofopXvlOpTuv8v9/4qwcoAvQCgxFI2 nCtt8f/OC6zNlkWMuDvvBeE= =I1cY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE (was Re: TB! v. 1.42 (Re: Poco means Not Much))
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, On 30 June 2001 at 11:24:51 +0200 (which was 10:24 where I live) David van Zuijlekom wrote to Douglas Hinds on TBUDL and made these points: DvZ Maybe a dumb question but why are you still using TB! version 1.42? DvZ Why didn't you upgrade to the latest version? moderator No more mail on this list on this topic. Thank you. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53d/iKey1000 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7PZ5gOeQkq5KdzaARAj6aAJ0RdaPu/aecLItdv4mzu346ucZsowCgq00T J8qczRGQP6sCX2SuGjStSzE= =IWt+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE (was Re: Poco means Not Much)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, On 30 June 2001 at 09:02:47 +0200 (which was 08:02 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote to Carren Stuart and made these points: Each to his own, and you have obviously already made up your mind what you do and don't like, so what is the point of trying to prove one better than the other. DH He isn't. He wants to know *what* the points in favour for one and DH *what* the points in favour of the other are. With *no* _a priori_ DH defined goal. Maybe he will change, or not. moderator No more mail on this list on this topic. Thank you. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53d/iKey1000 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7PZ6qOeQkq5KdzaARAhnPAKCEjB6wefVV2vWLSeaZ2pZp8LldNACg2lHJ gDd87q2A4Mu3SXVY6E16IHk= =KF+i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
Hello Listers, Today, 29 June 2001, at 05:11:10 [GMT -0600] Douglas wrote: DH If anyone has any relevant comparative info and cares to post it DH here, I'll make sure it gets translated and posted to the Spanish DH TB! list Please do, most of Spanish users will be grateful. -- Chema Berian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spanish GDUTB Moderator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TB Tip of the Moment: You can use multiple POP3 or IMAP accounts at different mail servers - use Account | New command to specify an additional account. Using The Bat! 1.52f on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Poco means Not Much
Bernhard I'm sorry, but not much is a very derogatory translation; Bernhard small will describe the program more precise. PocoMail has a lot of features and probably is the more complete email client software nowadays. Bernhard Maybe it's not a real competitor to TB! ( and I'm using TB! Bernhard for myself) but there is at least a very nice macro language Bernhard in Poco I'd like to have in TB! Poco has same features than TB plus: PocoScript (powerful script language). Skins. HTML message edition. (TB will have this feature in the future). Regards, Manuel. (Sorry my English). -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT: Poco means Not Much
Hello Listers, On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, at 13:57:43 [GMT +0200] (which was 13:57 where I live) Bernhard wrote: BK poco 1 (adj;pron) (sg;gen) little; BK (pequeño) small; BK (escaso) slight, scanty; BK I'm sorry, but not much is a very derogatory translation; small BK will describe the program more precise. Spaniards only use the escaso aception of poco. We never use the other. Maybe couse we use any of the many synonims spanish language has. Examples of use of poco Tengo poco dinero. - I have few money. (Literal, not ironical) Estoy un poco nervioso. - I am a bit nervous. In very few situations (en pocas situaciones), poco means quite. Maybe pocomail authors wanted to mean smallmail but I think they've choosen a very bad word. In this context, in poco mail I read a very lited email client -- Chema Berian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spanish GDUTB Moderator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TB Tip of the Moment: You can view the activity log of your account by pressing Ctrl+Shift+A or using Account | View Log... menu command. Using The Bat! 1.52f on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Manuel! On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 2:26:49 PM you wrote: Poco has same features than TB plus: PocoScript (powerful script language). Useful. Skins. Unnecessary. HTML message edition. (TB will have this feature in the future). Br. If that is all Pocomail can offer additionally the point of which is more powerful or complete is utterly superfluous. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Todo, pero con manera (Everything, but with civility.). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzx0jPTo1oA8g8dLEQLd9wCfWgVOd/QNagBlX/fBE7wETxQ82ocAoISv a19q/mMM/bAy2yTBUz9VuY1n =Yqsh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dierk Haasis, On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:28:59 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Friday, June 29, 2001, 2:28:59 PM (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time, Dierk Haasis wrote: DH Hash: SHA1 DH Hello Manuel! DH On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 2:26:49 PM you wrote: Poco has same features than TB plus: PocoScript (powerful script language). DH Useful. We could be underestimating how useful this sort of thing is. Imagine regular expression coupled with Perl. You'd have extremely powerful filtering systems, mass mailing would be easier and many other usefull things could be accomplished. Skins. DH Unnecessary. Yes they are. But how many skinable applications usually keep their default skin? I rarely see any winamp user with the default skin. Also this isn't much different from the modified glyphs.bmp. I'd quite like this feature. HTML message edition. (TB will have this feature in the future). DH Br. G snarl and we can use the powerful scripting language to put html users names on mailing lists, invalidate their driving licence and give them a criminal record. Ok maybe the mailing list idea is a bit harsh. - -- Jamie Dainton On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 2:46:19 PM The Bat! 1.53 Beta/5 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey This message has been brought to you by the language C and the number F. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOzyHuIP76OeRfCgzEQKS2gCeOr5+3KNgYC7goLVQaG/RnHK35aAAn1gY FTYJt3mQzLFDvZgpDlfDebTJ =2slT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jamie! On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 3:50:36 PM you wrote: DH Useful. We could be underestimating how useful this sort of thing is. Imagine regular expression coupled with Perl. You'd have extremely powerful filtering systems, mass mailing would be easier and many other usefull things could be accomplished. Ack. Yes they are. But how many skinable applications usually keep their default skin? I rarely see any winamp user with the default skin. Also this isn't much different from the modified glyphs.bmp. I'd quite like this feature. Opera uses a kind of skin scheme, which i don't use. GetRight uses skins - and the default look is the best, so I use it. Winamp has some nice skins, and since I use the programme very, very seldom I utilize them in random mode. If I had to *use* the programme regularly I'd revert to the default because it is clear and allows easy manipulation of its buttons and slides. To be clear myself, I have nothing against *options* (as long as they don't bloat everything), my criticism was against the more complete e-mailer with options that are not needed, not asked for, even counter productive. The only feature I liked was the scripting language, which surely will be available with TB! some time, as it was asked for several times. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C All our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike - - and yet it is the most precious thing we have. (Albert Einstein) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzyAGPTo1oA8g8dLEQJFcACfcWdLN1iVQdzijAePvQTVQ73+gQcAnj0Q 3hq2fK77E+ImzTwjKU8//oNz =kPUj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
Hello Bernhard others on this TB! list following this thread, First of all, rather than draw all readers into a SOT discussion of the actual (rather than dictionary) common meanings for words in languages not in English (the official language of this list - TBUDL), I'll mention that in the past TB! has been compared to Pegasus (for example) in a VERY thorough intricate way here on TBUDL. However - the principle (Alex Kiselev) contributor no longer participates and IAC, I suspect that now that the original TBUDL was spit in two, perhaps the most appropriate forum for the query would be TBTECH - so I'll repost it there. What follows is purely linguistic and describes the use of the word poco in Mexico, where I've lived since 1974. Friday, June 29, 2001, you stated regarding: Poco means Not Much: DH poco means not much in Spanish my general feeling is that DH it's not much of a competitor compared to TB! What I'm looking DH for is confirmation of this from someone who has looked at it DH recently, since I don't plan on doing so myself. BK poco BK 1 (adj;pron) (sg;gen) little; BK (pequeño) small; BK (escaso) slight, scanty; BK I'm sorry, but not much is a very derogatory translation; small BK will describe the program more precise. That's the trouble with dictionary translations (I write this from Mexico). The Spanish words commonly used for SMALL are (pequeño(a) or chico(a). Here, the common use of poco is little (quiero poco means I don't want much, just a little (for example), and poca cosa is indeed a commonly used derogatory term that means the thing referred to is of slight importance. Perhaps I'm a TB! loyalist but as mentioned, Poco was compared to TB! earlier on either TBUDL or the Opera-Users list and was considered superficial at that time by the writer (a fellow TB! user). BK Maybe it's not a real competitor to TB! ( and I'm using TB! for BK myself) but there is at least a very nice macro language in Poco I'd BK like to have in TB! BK And as to the confirmation: a man has to do his experiences for BK himself ... Thanks for the advice. However (as stated), I have no intention of doing so and that is precisely why I posted the request for information. I'll try TBTECH, next. Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Poco means Not Much
Hello Dierk, On Friday, June 29, 2001 15:28:59 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Poco means Not Much': Dierk If that is all Pocomail can offer additionally the point of which is Dierk more powerful or complete is utterly superfluous. I would be interested in hearing your comments after downloading Poco giving it a once over. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.53d/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
On 29-06-2001 at 15:50, Jamie Dainton kindly wrote: Skins. DH Unnecessary. Yes they are. But how many skinable applications usually keep their default skin? I rarely see any winamp user with the default skin. Me! Me! [And I'm even a paid user - bought it in 1998, before it went for free] - K - -- Did you ever read poor old George Orwell's 1984? Yes, yes, that's wonderful. That would be - could be the palest imagined shadow of what a world would be like under the rule of the secret use of Scientology with no remedy in existence. - Scientology's founder L. Ron Hubbard, PDC tape 20 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Poco means Not Much
This was sent 2 hours ago and wasn't posted, so here it goes again. Sorry for any dupes (hit alt+f+k). DH Hello other TBTech subscribers, Some recently recommended taking a look at Pocomail www.pocomail.com/ on the TB! Spanish List. On reading the features page, Pocomail seems to have copied at least some TB°! attributes. Having used TB! since v. 1.35, I have no intention of downloading pocomail even out of curiosity. I recall that comments were made here regarding pocomail's shortcoming's relative to TB! in the past but ignore to what degree these were addressed in pocomail's latest version. My hope that one of you will be able to contribute relevant, detailed, comparative info and post it here is what motivates this request. If that happens, I'll make sure it gets translated and posted to the Spanish TB! list. Douglas P.S. poco means not much in Spanish my general feeling is that it's not much of a competitor compared to TB! What I'm looking for is confirmation of this from someone who has looked at it recently and has a more detailed technical knowledge of email clients protocols than I do. Thanks in advance. Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan, Friday, June 29, 2001, 1:38:56 PM, you wrote: Dierk If that is all Pocomail can offer additionally the point of which is Dierk more powerful or complete is utterly superfluous. JR I would be interested in hearing your comments after downloading JR Poco giving it a once over. I am in fact a registered user of both Poco AND The Bat!. I, of course, prefer and use TB! I moved from Poco to TB!. However, I have my wife using Poco v2.5 because she is not happy with Eudora. - From my perspective the best thing about Poco that I miss is the scripting language. Period. There is a lot of eye candy. the interface looks great, but I don't need it. The Bat!, in my opinion, blows Pocomail away. By the way, skins don't thrill me. It's the functionality that thrills me. - -- Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Best regards, Gerry Doyon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed, sealed and delivered. iQA/AwUBOzzjoxalOqMy8yvQEQLr4QCgxjOUSZrVbrbnk12MMhNnvl0WXqkAn2QB ngjJdyYjEK5F9NUwB+4vnDF6 =TImC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
Hello Gerry others on this TB! list following this thread, Friday, June 29, 2001, you stated regarding why Poco means Not Much compared to TB!: GD I am in fact a registered user of both Poco AND The Bat!. I, of GD course, prefer and use TB! I moved from Poco to TB!. snip re Wife uses Poco GD - From my perspective the best thing about Poco that I miss is the GD scripting language. Period. There is a lot of eye candy. the GD interface looks great, but I don't need it. GD The Bat!, in my opinion, blows Pocomail away. GD By the way, skins don't thrill me. It's the functionality that GD thrills me. That's what I was looking for - for a start. I would appreciate more detail regarding the functionality that thrills you (the functionality offered by TB!, obviously). I'll start it off: pocomail (I'm told) has no Spanish version therefore, no Spanish spell checking. I need both English and Spanish spell checking which TB! has. I'll mention a few more traits that make TB! indispensable and include a YES () | NO () option for whether pocomail has them. Simultaneous downloading of multiple accounts (16, in my case) Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () I was able to paste in the YES () | NO () directly below the one above by moving straight down. In fact. TB! does columns. Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () Can Poco reformat my paragraphs with a keystroke combo when I decide to insert or delete a remark or divide a long paragraph ? Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () How about the automatic tabulator function that adjusts to the line above? Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () (This means I can indent a whole block a given number of spaces easily, among other things). TB!'s Folders can have their own templates and even the language used for replying (i.e. the date) can vary with the folder. Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () At first I considered replying directly to Gerry and hit ctrl+F4 to do that. Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () What else can TB! do that Poco can't? Does Poco do PGP? Can Poco change caps to lower case vice versa w/ a keystroke combo? Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () Is the filtering as good or better? YES () | NO () Is there a Poco user's group as responsive and as knowledgeable as this one? YES () | NO () If you need Tech Support, are you likely to get a reply from one of Poco's principle developers? YES () | NO () Is Poco's message search function as good or better? YES () | NO () How about it's search replace function when editing. Is it as good or better' YES () | NO () Is there a virtual ticker window for any number of folders? YES () | NO () Your opinion confirms what I've heard to date from others: compared to TB! Poco is less not more than TB! where functionality (not gloss) is concerned), at less the kind of functionality I need. Thanks in advance for your reply. Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
On 6/29/01 7:11:10 AM Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: poco means not much in Spanish my general feeling is that it's no much of a competitor compared to TB! What I'm looking from is confirmation of this from someone who has looked at it recently, since I don't plan on doing so myself. A more correct connotation would be little one and not not much. And since you've already decided that it's inferior to TB why are you interested in what others think of it? Poco is a very good mail client, I was a beta tester for the new 2.5 release. No, it's not TB, but TB is not Poco, either. Poco handles multiple accounts and/or users with ease, while with TB you must either use filters or put up with multiple folder sets in order to handle several POP accounts. Poco's filtering is adequate, but TB's runs rings around it. Conversely, Poco's scripting language, if you care to learn it, is more powerful than any filter set you can create in TB. Poco's handling of html mails isn't dependent on IE's ActiveX components. TB's isn't either, but Poco does a much better job of rendering html. Poco also lets you encrypt individual messages or folders you wish to keep from prying eyes. But, TB's advanced folder properties and templates macros leave Poco in the dust if you need to handle and sort a lot of mail. Each program has its good points and bad points. Just slamming a program without at least giving it a look is extremely narrowminded. Which program do I use? Neither, I currently use Becky v2.0. :-) -- Regards, Don Zeigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] URA Redneck if you think BMW is the call letters for a radio station. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
Hello Don others on this TB! list following this thread, Friday, June 29, 2001, you stated regarding Poco means Not Much: DZ A more correct connotation would be little one and not not much. Not true. In Mexico, the most common use of poco is little (quiero poco means I don't want much, just a little (for example), and poca cosa is a commonly used derogatory term that means the thing referred to is of slight importance. DZ And since you've already decided that it's inferior to TB why DZ are you interested in what others think of it? As stated, my purpose here is to confirm and define what had been stated by others previously and provide a detailed response consisting of specific, point by point comparisons for the Spanish TB! list. (See my last post on the subject and add TB!'s Endless Undo feature, as well as the Paste as Quote feature). DZ Poco is a very good mail client, I was a beta tester for the new 2.5 release. DZ No, it's not TB, but TB is not Poco, either. Poco handles multiple accounts DZ and/or users with ease, while with TB you must either use filters or put up DZ with multiple folder sets in order to handle several POP accounts. I found Calypsos single inbox with an account column very functional, but I only used four accounts at that time and other defects of both Calypso and the MCS Dallas Tech Support made using it out of the question. DZ Poco's filtering is adequate, but TB's runs rings around it. DZ Conversely, Poco's scripting language, if you care to learn it, DZ is more powerful than any filter set you can create in TB. DZ Poco's handling of html mails isn't dependent on IE's ActiveX components. TB's DZ isn't either, but Poco does a much better job of rendering html. Poco also lets DZ you encrypt individual messages or folders you wish to keep from prying eyes. DZ But, TB's advanced folder properties and templates macros leave Poco in the DZ dust if you need to handle and sort a lot of mail. I get over a hundred a day. DZ Each program has its good points and bad points. And that is exactly what I expected to define. DZ Just slamming a program without at least giving it a look is DZ extremely narrowminded. My evaluation was based on statements made by people whose opinions I respect. OTOH, I find your evaluation of my intentions and opinions both groundless and tasteless. You misinterpret myu purpose and there is no need to interject any personal attacks here. If you insist, do it off list. DZ Which program do I use? Neither, I currently use Becky v2.0. :-) That is your privilege. Thanks for the comparison (but hold off on the rest. Frankly, I don't see a need for seeking your approval before stating an opinion and I'm open to reviewing whatever facts can be provided, impersonally. This IS a TB! list, after all). Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Poco means Not Much
Hello Douglas, TB! 1.53d Windows 98 SE You wrote: DH That is your privilege. Thanks for the comparison (but hold off on DH the rest. Frankly, I don't see a need for seeking your approval DH before stating an opinion and I'm open to reviewing whatever facts DH can be provided, impersonally. This IS a TB! list, after all). Exactly! This is a TB!list so why are we even discussing Poco? For your information, the name Poco came in fact from the Italian language and means a little (which refers to Poco as being a little email client - in terms of size, NOT what is can do).I like Poco and if I could afford to have two paid-for email clients, I would run both Poco and TB! Each to his own, and you have obviously already made up your mind what you do and don't like, so what is the point of trying to prove one better than the other. Also, Poco's support is second to none EVEN for non-registered users. Slaven was always more than willing to answer ANY of my questions by personal email, while I was evaluating Poco. Carren [EMAIL PROTECTED] * If you can DREAM you can DO it - Walt Disney -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
I will re-send this as for some reason it hasn't appeared on the list. Apologies if I've duplicated. Hello Douglas, TB! 1.53d Windows 98 SE You wrote: DH That is your privilege. Thanks for the comparison (but hold off on DH the rest. Frankly, I don't see a need for seeking your approval DH before stating an opinion and I'm open to reviewing whatever facts DH can be provided, impersonally. This IS a TB! list, after all). Exactly! This is a TB!list so why are we even discussing Poco? For your information, the name Poco came in fact from the Italian language and means a little (which refers to Poco as being a little email client - in terms of size, NOT what is can do).I like Poco and if I could afford to have two paid-for email clients, I would run both Poco and TB! Each to his own, and you have obviously already made up your mind what you do and don't like, so what is the point of trying to prove one better than the other. Also, Poco's support is second to none EVEN for non-registered users. Slaven was always more than willing to answer ANY of my questions by personal email, while I was evaluating Poco. Carren [EMAIL PROTECTED] * If you can DREAM you can DO it - Walt Disney -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
