Re: Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
Thursday, April 12, 2001, 3:56:24 PM, you wrote: When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file (*.tbi). When you purge, it is really deleted. But you also need to compress from time and time: remove old entries (messages) from the messge database (*.tbb). I have been compressing, which seems to purge. Today I tried purging, which seems to compress. They appear to be redundant processes. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 11:23:03 -0500 Dwight A Corrin wrote: When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file (*.tbi). When you purge, it is really deleted. But you also need to compress from time and time: remove old entries (messages) from the messge database (*.tbb). I have been compressing, which seems to purge. Today I tried purging, which seems to compress. They appear to be redundant processes. No, as Karin put it, purge and compress are two different things. It's just in TB you can't do Purging without compression. The "Purge all folders" command under the Folder menu does do compression, which should be renamed to "Purge AND COMPRESS all folders". The one for a single folder ("Purge and Compress") is clear. The Compress and Compress All Folders commands, OTOH, don't purge. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
Friday, April 13, 2001, 12:10:40 PM, you wrote: I have been compressing, which seems to purge. Today I tried purging, which seems to compress. They appear to be redundant processes. No, as Karin put it, purge and compress are two different things. It's just in TB you can't do Purging without compression. The "Purge all folders" command under the Folder menu does do compression, which should be renamed to "Purge AND COMPRESS all folders". The one for a single folder ("Purge and Compress") is clear. The Compress and Compress All Folders commands, OTOH, don't purge. It seems that when I compress all folders, it purges. To test, I compressed all folders, then deleted a message. I compressed, and recovered an amount of space similar to the size of the message. When I purged all folders, there was nothing to purge. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 at 16:40:43 -0500 Dwight A Corrin wrote: It seems that when I compress all folders, it purges. I went back to look at the explanation Karin gave you, and found what caused the confusion. I'm also at fault, of course, since I endorsed what she said without thinking. I guess she was lacking caffeine, and I simply had a bad day though it was only morning. Now, Karin's explanation is still a good place to start: KS When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really KS removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file KS (*.tbi). This is almost right, except the index entry isn't really "taken out". It's marked as deleted. That's why you can "browse deleted messages", which would be much harder to do if the index entries no longer exist. KS When you purge, it is really deleted. Here, "purge" should be "compress". (In dBase/Clipper terminology, it's "pack".) What does "purging" do, then? It means deleting old messages according to a set criteria. If you have experience with higher-end newsreader, you should have no trouble with this concept. In TB, the criteria is set on a folder-by-folder basis (try Folder | Properties). If you set a folder to keep no a maximum of 100 messages, e.g., then when you purge it TB would delete all messages but the newest 100. When purging, TB delete them in its usual way--marking them as deleted in the index file (.tbi), but not removing them physically from the message base file (.tbb). Yet, as I said earlier, purging in TB is always followed by compression (either on all folder or a single one). The reverse isn't true. Hope that is clear enough. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Purging, was:: TB temp files mystery -- an experiment
On 12-04-2001 at 21:55, Dwight A Corrin kindly wrote: Thursday, April 12, 2001, 11:50:11 AM, Ming-Li wrote: I even did a little house cleaning job that I usually do in the weekend: killing dupes in all folders, purging and compressing all folders. Showing my ignorance, I would like to ask: What is purging? It sounds destructive and I have been loathe to test to find out. When you delete a message from a folder, it is not really removed: it is only taken out of the folder's index file (*.tbi). When you purge, it is really deleted. But you also need to compress from time and time: remove old entries (messages) from the messge database (*.tbb). It will reduce the size of your folders and increse operations somewhat. Especially the outbox, inbox and thrash folders will open much quicker after a purge compress. - K - -- "You've got a gift." "It's not a gift. It's just a brain." - The Cube, 1997 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org