Re: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
Hi Jack, on Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:25:03 -0500GMT (01.10.03, 22:25 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : JM> Delivery-date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:57:11 +0100 JM> Received: from . JM> . for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 12:50:29 -0800 JM> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:25:03 -0500 Well, sometimes emails take their time... *s* -- Cheers Peter When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant, I could hardly stand to have the old man around. When I was 21, I was amazed at how much he had learned in seven years. Mark Twain Winamp currently playing: Cressida - Time For Bed Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
Hello Jack, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 1:10:28 PM, you wrote: JM> If I had a third thumb, you'd get that one, too. Thanks... JM> Keep up the great work, guys! You'll never make everyone 100% JM> happy, but you're getting close enough for government work. Since I work for the gov't that makes it just fine! ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.22 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
Hallo Jack, On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:10:28 -0500GMT (1-10-03, 21:10 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM> I've frequented a *lot* of help lists over the years (because I usually JM> need a *LOT* of help), and this one could, or should, be the prototype on JM> how to run one efficiently. Okay, admit it. How much did they pay you. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
Hello Clive, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 12:28:29 AM, you wrote: CT> Maybe some of us need to be reminded about the list rules CT> constantly. For example, the message about inserting a sig CT> delimiter doesnt seem to have reached you yet :( *Exactly* the point! There are boatloads of lurkers on the lists. While everything is spelled out in the list rules that *everyone* gets when they subscribe, nobody ever seems to read them. Therefore, the lurkers would never know what's allowed and not allowed if it's not public. I've had this same conversation with Yuki off-list. Marck, Allie and I have been moderating the TB lists for ages now. We've just about tried every form and fashion of moderation known to mankind, and we stick with what works for us over the years. We still tweak here and now (i.e. the recent standardization of moderation messages for example), but for the most part what we're doing does work. Marck pointed out in his reply about users taking up the moderation when the moderators don't make it public. When we were privately moderating, it was unbelievable how much traffic was generated by users telling the person who did The Bad Thing (tm) that they violated the rules. We've been there and done that. We still use private moderation for sensitive issues, but those are much more rare occasions. Alas, what Marck said also is most true... We just like to hear ourselves talk. ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.18 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote... BB>> The problem with lists is that when people see something done BB>> wrong and no correction is issued on the list, the lesson learned BB>> is that the inappropriate behavior is correct and accepted. > This posting benefits greatly from nail-on-the-head syndrome. That > is *precisely* why all rule-break moderation is done on-list. > There is another reason though. When the moderators don't step in > visibly, 100+ irate member sure 'nuff will. What would you prefer? > One post from a moderator or a free for all of admonishments from > any offended party? Or the moderators get 100+ messages saying "why aren't you doing anything?" ;) > I actually resigned from a list for the moderator refusing to > perform on-list moderation. It makes no sense at any level. I tend to keep it all on list on the ones I manage, if they decided to complain about it, then it goes off-list. > The third explanation is that we're just a bunch power hungry > megalomaniacs who love to see our admonishments hurled around the > planet in the form of irate electrons. But, hey, aren't we all? At > heart? I mean, c'mon fellas (and fella-ettes)! *grins* see... we all knew that was the reason... there is no need to hide it from us... we're all friends here ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBP3pduiuD6BT4/R9zEQI69QCgyDWwfZOP9iUOwxj43Dmjg61Ab90AoKCB Ed30FqoJYrZ938PIyu/DS3iN =jiyt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
Hi Bill, @30-Sep-2003, 20:48 -0400 (01-Oct 01:48 UK time) Bill Blinn Technology Editor [BB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to St: BB> The problem with lists is that when people see something done BB> wrong and no correction is issued on the list, the lesson BB> learned is that the inappropriate behavior is correct and BB> accepted. This posting benefits greatly from nail-on-the-head syndrome. That is *precisely* why all rule-break moderation is done on-list. There is another reason though. When the moderators don't step in visibly, 100+ irate member sure 'nuff will. What would you prefer? One post from a moderator or a free for all of admonishments from any offended party? I actually resigned from a list for the moderator refusing to perform on-list moderation. It makes no sense at any level. The third explanation is that we're just a bunch power hungry megalomaniacs who love to see our admonishments hurled around the planet in the form of irate electrons. But, hey, aren't we all? At heart? I mean, c'mon fellas (and fella-ettes)! -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Another "This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting"?!?
At 8:38 PM on 9/30/2003, the otherwise nameless "St" at Musaic.Net typed ... S> Why these repetitve instructions?!? I do not speak for the list owners of this list, but I think I understand where they're coming from. As a list owner, there is one thing I never, ever, do -- and that is question the operating methods of a list owner. I imagine the administrators feel that public reminders are worthwhile. The problem with lists is that when people see something done wrong and no correction is issued on the list, the lesson learned is that the inappropriate behavior is correct and accepted. These reminder messages follow a format, so it's a trivial exercise in filter building to create a filter that eliminates them before they can bother you. I haven't done this because TBUDL is a low-volume, on-topic list and because it's easy to hit the DEL key a little faster than usual once or twice a day when one of these reminders shows up. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/30/2003 at 8:42 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Learning French is trivial: The word for horse is "cheval" and everything else follows in the same way. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
