Re: Change reply-to for a folder - OT

[Karin Spaink]

On 15-04-2001 at 05:38, Thomas kindly wrote:
>> moi:
> Douglas:

KS>> Gouglas, we were joking. Seriously.

> "Gouglas"? Oh well. What's that stuff you're smoking?

Ordinary tobacco. I already privately apologised to Douglas.

>>> Do you have the necessary expert participation lined up?

> Yes, in a police line-up. They have all been caught using *very*
> *very* dangerous folder templates.

Ouch. That is *very* incriminating.

KS>> Me? Yes. I run a number of lists, one of them with almost
KS>> 600 members.

> Wait until your article about human castration gets published

It was. Both in a newspaper and on that particular list ;-)


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Re: Change reply-to for a folder - OT

[Thomas]

Hallo Karin,

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 01:48:54 +0200 GMT (15/04/2001, 07:48 +0800 GMT),
Karin Spaink wrote:

T> The moderators are doing too good a job - would mutiny be an option?

KS>>> Collect the e-mail addresses of all frequent posters and
KS>>> start a competing list on my mailserver? 

[and Douglas said:]
>> This fundamental issue is: Why do it?

Jeez, I was about to say that one should read the whole thread before
jumping in, but the gist of it is actually contained in this mail. He
who knows how to read clearly doth have an advantage.

KS> Gouglas, we were joking. Seriously.

"Gouglas"? Oh well. What's that stuff you're smoking?

>> Do you have the necessary expert participation lined up?

Yes, in a police line-up. They have all been caught using *very*
*very* dangerous folder templates.

KS> Me? Yes. I run a number of lists, one of them with almost
KS> 600 members.

Wait until your article about human castration gets published

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder - OT

[Karin Spaink]

On 15-04-2001 at 01:36, Douglas Hinds kindly wrote:
> Hello Karin & others on this TB! list & following this thread,


T The moderators are doing too good a job - would mutiny be an option?

ACM>>> And how would you go about doing that? Mail *bombing* us??? 

KS>> Collect the e-mail addresses of all frequent posters and
KS>> start a competing list on my mailserver? 

> It wouldn't be a competing list, as anyone could subscribe to any,
> all or none.

We were discussing how to go about a mutiny, weren't we?
Yopu hardly subscribe to a ship that you want to sink ;-)

> This fundamental issue is: Why do it?

Gouglas, we were joking. Seriously.

> Do you have the necessary expert participation lined up?

Me? Yes. I run a number of lists, one of them with almost
600 members.


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Re: Change reply-to for a folder - OT

[Douglas Hinds]

Hello Karin & others on this TB! list & following this thread,

Saturday, April 14, 2001,  you contributed to an OT interchange that
went like this:

T>>> The moderators are doing too good a job - would mutiny be an option?

ACM>> And how would you go about doing that? Mail *bombing* us??? 

KS> Collect the e-mail addresses of all frequent posters and
KS> start a competing list on my mailserver? 

It wouldn't be a competing list, as anyone could subscribe to any,
all or none.

This fundamental issue is: Why do it?

Would there be a real difference between one and another?

If so, what would that consist of?

Is there a need for it? And lastly:

Do you have the necessary expert participation lined up?

(I suspect you don't mean it, which is the basis for this thread
having become OT - I believe).

Douglas

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[Karin Spaink]

On 14-04-2001 at 22:51, Marck D. Pearlstone kindly wrote:
> Hi Karin,


T The moderators are doing too good a job - would mutiny be an option?

>>> And how would you go about doing that? Mail *bombing* us??? 

KS>> Collect the e-mail addresses of all frequent posters and
KS>> start a competing list on my mailserver? 

> Mummy, mummy! Nasty lady took my ball away! Waaah!

The lady just published an article on castration, so that
figures 


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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Karin,

On 14 April 2001 at  21:54:02 +0200 (which was 20:54 where I  live)
Karin Spaink wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

T>>> The moderators are doing too good a job - would mutiny be an option?

>> And how would you go about doing that? Mail *bombing* us??? 

KS> Collect the e-mail addresses of all frequent posters and
KS> start a competing list on my mailserver? 

Mummy, mummy! Nasty lady took my ball away! Waaah!

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[Karin Spaink]

On 14-04-2001 at 20:50, A Curtis Martin kindly wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 01:46:08 +0800, Thomas graced us with these comments:

T>> The moderators are doing too good a job - would mutiny be an option?

> And how would you go about doing that? Mail *bombing* us??? 

Collect the e-mail addresses of all frequent posters and
start a competing list on my mailserver? 


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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

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On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 01:46:08 +0800, Thomas graced us with these comments:

ACM>> Now we know your true motives for disagreeing with Marck's
ACM>> sentiments. :=)

T> The moderators are doing too good a job - would mutiny be an option?

And how would you go about doing that? Mail *bombing* us??? 

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[Thomas]

Hallo Allie,

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 06:29:50 -0500 GMT (14/04/2001, 19:29 +0800 GMT),
A Curtis Martin wrote:

T>> I haven't seen a good flame on this list for months! :-Þ

ACM> Now we know your true motives for disagreeing with Marck's sentiments. :=)

The moderators are doing too good a job - would mutiny be an option?

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

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On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:54:19 +0800, Thomas wrote these comments:

 «--snip--»
T> And, being as voyeuristic as I am, I love to read messages that were
T> meant to go by PM, but were inadvertedly copied to the list. It almost
T> always guarantees some excitement on the list. I haven't seen a good
T> flame on this list for months! :-Þ

Now we know your true motives for disagreeing with Marck's sentiments. :=)

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[Thomas]

Hallo Marck,

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:43:08 +0100 GMT (14/04/2001, 02:43 +0800 GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

DH>> The operative word is "sensible".

MDP> The operative word *is* sensible.

The *operative* word is sensible.  You operate your program, it
will do what you tell it. It makes sense.

MDP> My strong warnings against the practice have a purpose. To *make*
MDP> people treat them sensibly. To simply say "use them but be sensible"
MDP> makes an understatement that can only result in problems.

Yes, but unless you mistakenly copy the local mafia boss when you
write to your friend about how you had a wonderful time the
mafia-bosses wife last night when when he was out, I wouldn't classify
folder templates as *very* *very* dangerous. A word of warning is in
order, and I also try to avoid them, but I don't put them in the same
category with drinking and driving (which *is* "very very dangerous").

MDP> And, no sooner do we start discussing the topic than a user makes a
MDP> post to two addresses bearing no relationship to this list and yet one
MDP> of those addresses is that of the list. Coincidence? Not in my book.

LOL! Beginners are bound to make this mistake, and you can clearly see
that nothing happened (the attachment was stripped, so we received a
few lines of non-committing text). The unfortunate sender has blushed,
and he has learned something. Several readers have learned from his
mistake, and that may be worth more than mere warnings - if these
mistakes are explained, and how to avoid them.

And, being as voyeuristic as I am, I love to read messages that were
meant to go by PM, but were inadvertedly copied to the list. It almost
always guarantees some excitement on the list. I haven't seen a good
flame on this list for months! :-Þ

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

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Hello Marck!

On Friday, April 13, 2001 at 8:43:08 PM you wrote:

> And, no sooner do we start discussing the topic than a user makes a
> post to two addresses bearing no relationship to this list and yet one
> of those addresses is that of the list. Coincidence? Not in my book.

*I* am sure it is coincidental.

All this shows something else, something most people today seem to
forget: It could be both sides are right. In this case your position
strengthens my use of "sensible".

Contrary to my experience - jutted down in another message to another
thread today - I hope that humans are inherently what their Linnean
name suggests: Homo sapiens - sensible (wo)men.

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

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Hi Adam,

On 13 April 2001 at  18:52:43 +0100 (which was 18:52 where I  live)
Adam wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

MDP>>%TO=""%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
 ^^

A> I  used this (thanks) for a list I am on, it works but also leaves the
A> original  senders  e-mail  address  in as well as the lists, I tried a
A> reply  to  macro which is supposed to override the "To", but it didn't
A> clear the senders address and just leave the list address in.

A> Any ideas why please?

The underlined bit is important. It takes out any existing entry in
the "To:" field.

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

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Hi Dierk,

On 13 April 2001 at  18:32:22 +0200 (which was 17:32 where I  live)
Dierk Haasis wrote to Thomas and made these points:

DH> I think I once described it on list not so long ago. The operative
DH> word is "sensible".

The operative word *is* sensible. Every time someone says "There's no
problem" and "it's easy", someone who doesn't understand what
"sensible" means implements an unnecessary folder template and another
slip happens.

My strong warnings against the practice have a purpose. To *make*
people treat them sensibly. To simply say "use them but be sensible"
makes an understatement that can only result in problems.

And, no sooner do we start discussing the topic than a user makes a
post to two addresses bearing no relationship to this list and yet one
of those addresses is that of the list. Coincidence? Not in my book.

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[Thomas]

Hallo Dierk,

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:42:15 +0200 GMT (14/04/2001, 00:42 +0800 GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> Another side question bugging me for some time now: Are the macro
DH> names case sensitive?

No.

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

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Hello David!

On Friday, April 13, 2001 at 8:31:10 AM you wrote:

> I have a list like this as well. My solution is to put the following in a
> folder level template for that list.

> %to="" %to="%OFROMNAME on [group name] <%OTOADDR>"

Another side question bugging me for some time now: Are the macro
names case sensitive?

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

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Hello Thomas!

On Friday, April 13, 2001 at 4:35:38 AM you wrote:

> That's the risk. One should take a look at the TO header before
> hitting "send". It requires an IQ above that of bread, which should be
> no problem for anybody who has grown out of AOL, I guess.

A bit touchy today?

OK, as some may remember I do not completely agree on Marck's view
concerning folder level templates. Just for the record, I consider the
sensible dealing with templates on all three levels is one of the
major benefits of TB!

I think I once described it on list not so long ago. The operative
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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

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Hello Marck!

On Friday, April 13, 2001 at 1:14:17 AM you wrote:

>%TO=""%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Just out of curiosity: Why not *%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"*?

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[Nick Andriash]

On April 13, 2001, at 12:01:59 AM, Ottar Grimstad wrote:

> You just taught me about Address Book templates. I had not discovered
> these. To have my reply template here for a well behaved list seems OK,
> but the conveniance of just highlighting the folder and start a new
> message will be lost if I put my New Message template here?

Yes, you do sacrifice convenience for safety. I myself had to struggle
with that concept for quite some time, but eventually I became used to the
idea of using AB Templates. There are only 2 Mailing Lists I belong to
that force me to use Folder Level Templates because of the "Reply-To:"
header issue.


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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

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Hail sd

On 12 April 2001 at 17:56:29 -0500 (which was 23:56 where I live) sd ha
scritto made the following points

> I have a folder, into which all my mail from a mailing list goes to.
> When I reply to a message, instead of getting the email address of the
> list, I get the email address of the person who sent the message.

> Can I do something to change, for this one folder, the address that
> ALL replies go to by default?

I have a list like this as well. My solution is to put the following in a
folder level template for that list.

%to="" %to="%OFROMNAME on [group name] <%OTOADDR>"

And then I have a group set up for lists in my address book with it's own
template and use this for the replays. I have not run in to trouble (yet).

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[sd]

On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 6:14:17 PM you wrote:

> There. I feel like I've done my duty. I've explained the solution
> responsibly (everyone here knows about my aversion to folder level
> templates - heck, I belong to a couple of lists that need this done
> and I can't bring myself to do it).

OK. I'm convinced. I'll contact the list owner and try to get him to
fix the Reply-To header.

Thanks for the heads-up on the potential complications.

sd

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

[Thomas]

Hi Marck,

On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:14:17 +0100GMT (13/04/2001, 07:14 +0800GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> macro. This is *very* *very* dangerous

No it isn't. "*very* *very* dangerous" is drinking and driving.
"*very* *very* dangerous" is experimenting with Molotov cocktails. But
here, we are dealing with an email client. Welcome back to Earth. ;-)

MDP> and can lead to you sending messages to that list which you had
MDP> *intended* to send privately.

That's the risk. One should take a look at the TO header before
hitting "send". It requires an IQ above that of bread, which should be
no problem for anybody who has grown out of AOL, I guess.

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Re: Change reply-to for a folder

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Hi sd,

On 12 April 2001 at  17:56:29 -0500 (which was 23:56 where I  live) sd
wrote to The Bat! Mailing List and made these points:

s> Can I do something to change, for this one folder, the address that
s> ALL replies go to by default?

Yes you can, and it's *very* *very* dangerous.

I have to say that before I start because you can cause yourself
problems with this solution.

The only way to do this is to create edit the Folder properties and
create a Reply template for the folder which includes the

   %TO=""%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

macro. This is *very* *very* dangerous and can lead to you sending
messages to that list which you had *intended* to send privately.

There. I feel like I've done my duty. I've explained the solution
responsibly (everyone here knows about my aversion to folder level
templates - heck, I belong to a couple of lists that need this done
and I can't bring myself to do it).

N.B. Don't do this for all the lists you belong to. Most don't need it
and work better with an Address Book reply template tied to the list's
reply address. This solution is really only intended to compensate for
those inconsiderate list managers who can't get the Reply-To set up
right.

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Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Consultant Software Engineer
 
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