Re: Effective Immediately
SL But, of course, don't take my word for it, chances are I'm just yanking SL your chain. JF Steve, I wouldn't take your word for *anything.* JF Not if it was chipped in granite, gilded in gold, or just scribbled JF on the wall of an outdoor crapper somewhere. C Living dangerously Joe? :-/ Didn't you read the Moderators post earlier. C Now is *definitely* not the time. JF I thought my reply was well within bounds, Curtis, I rewrote it JF several times, in fact, to get it there. JF The above is *sarcasm,* sarcasm in direct response to Lamb's own sarcasm, and JF I thought sarcasm was allowed? This may be moot as you may be gone from the list already, but trust me, the longer you spend on the TBUDL the more you come to understand what different peoples tactics are. If you feel you are justified in saying what you say, then you only have to justify it to the moderators, and then only if they call you on it. Frankly I don't think that you crossed any line, but my opinion in the matter doesn't have any sway with the moderators. There are a lot of people who *read* this list and rarely post anything. These are mostly the old-timers, and while I haven't been around for as long as Steve Lamb or Allie "Curtis" Martin, I've been around long enough that now I'm content just to sit on the outside, looking in. Steve's posts amuse me these days. He tries so hard to be offensive, I find it hard not to laugh. I can only wonder at what the personal issues are that he's battling so terribly with, as that's the only thing I can figure would make him as bitter as he is. Then there's the rabble of other frequent posters who simply don't have any idea what they're talking about, and the others who think that they know how the TB development should happen, etc., etc. Steve is actually someone worth paying attention to, though, as he knows "what's going on" when it comes to standards, but the only way to rationally "deal with him" is to read his post, stripping the attacks, the flames, and the slights from the post as you read it, and simply not respond to them. People only act that way to get a rise out of people, so if you don't respond *at all* to the offensive parts of a post (not even so much as "snip of flamage", just delete it), then he won't get nearly the thrill out of it. Hell, perhaps you just need a filter for him to mark his messages as read when they come in so you don't have to see them at all (but can preserve the references as you would lose them if you deleted the message)... JF I moderate several mail lists myself, I know it's a big PITA to be a JF moderator, but I would have permanently banned a person like Lamb a JF long time ago -- they just aren't worth having around. They lose you JF many more subscribers than they ever bring you. I agree, although with the asterisk that he is one who actually verifies EVERYTHING that is said on the list to be true. His methods may be suspect, but he does call a lark a lark (even if it is by calling it a *%*$# lark), and I can only imagine that this is why he doesn't get banned. He's been nearly-banned in the past, and the moderators have jumped on him before, but he slowly gets back into his own routine. :) -tom! -- Bah, ridiculous thing. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Effective Immediately
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:07:35 -0500, Tom Plunket wrote: TP These are mostly the old-timers, and while I haven't been TP around for as long as Steve Lamb or Allie "Curtis" Martin, That's Allie Curtis Martin. No need to include the quotes. My middle name is Curtis. I chose to use it on-list to avoid sexual ambiguity which was quite a problem with my first name. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- [TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "The road to success is always under construction. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Effective Immediately
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday, August 11, 2000, 7:07:35 AM, Tom wrote: Steve's posts amuse me these days. He tries so hard to be offensive, I find it hard not to laugh. Actually, I don't try to be offensive at all. I am what I am and have long since grown tired of trying to appease anyone but me. It isn't grappling with issues, it is the lack of grappling. People only act that way to get a rise out of people, so if you don't respond *at all* to the offensive parts of a post (not even so much as "snip of flamage", just delete it), then he won't get nearly the thrill out of it. I think you have missed something, most times I answer in kind. While butting heads with Joe was I smacking anyone else around nearly as hard? Nope. In fact, go back and read and you'll note my first 5-6 messages to Joe were rather mild in tone. I agree, although with the asterisk that he is one who actually verifies EVERYTHING that is said on the list to be true. Not everything. People have caught me with misrepresentation of what a certain RFC says. Usually when they cite it to me I back down real quick. I think it is just that I happen to check more than most. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOZR50npf7K2LbpnFEQKWuACg/dAd0axSzEsch3mCsBbc++ECcMQAoLhW ot0msJ9SWV6qE6vOK9xldfyK =eLFv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Effective Immediately
Thursday, August 10, 2000, 8:19:02 AM, Leif Gregory, wrote: [...] From now on, if a message is deemed outside of the bounds by the moderators (and only the moderators), the poster will receive a warning via private e-mail. [...] Using the above snippet as as an example, I'd like to ask if anyone knows why this "problem" appears to happen to me so frequently? Does it happen to everyone else? Please check that message you recently received from Leif and let me know if that "" appeared in your copy. I think the program is arbitrarily inserting that quote code "" in there, but I can't figure out why. It's not a quote, and I don't think Leif typed that "". So why do these things keep popping up in so many of my messages? Are my defaults to blame? Thanks! -- Joe Finocchiaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Effective Immediately
Hi Deryk Lister, On Thursday, August 10, 2000 at 9:44:06 PM you wrote: Hi Joe, On Thursday 10/08/2000 at 20:27, you wrote: snip I think the program is arbitrarily inserting that quote code "" in there, but I can't figure out why. It's not a quote, and I don't think Leif typed that "". So why do these things keep popping up in so many of my messages? Odd, it doesn't appear on mine, and I haven't seen it do so yet... I had that special "", although I don't recall having seen too many of those before. Oliver Sturm -- % ar m God ar: God does not exist -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Effective Immediately
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:53:38 -0500, Joe Finocchiaro wrote: SL But, of course, don't take my word for it, chances are I'm just yanking SL your chain. JF Steve, I wouldn't take your word for *anything.* JF Not if it was chipped in granite, gilded in gold, or just scribbled JF on the wall of an outdoor crapper somewhere. Living dangerously Joe? :-/ Didn't you read the Moderators post earlier. Now is *definitely* not the time. -- -=A.C. Martin=-[TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "The buck doesn't even slow down here! " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Effective Immediately
On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 05:49:01PM -0500, Joe Finocchiaro wrote: Apparently he can't write a message without being sarcastic. Odd, I've written about a dozen today without sarcasm. Maybe you can't read my messages without sarcasm? to one of my posts (no, I don't need nor want his help), and he does enjoy "yanking my chain" because he's always gotten away with yanking everyone's else's chain. News flash, I wasn't yanking your chain. What I said was accurate because of all the reasons you've stated in previous message that you dislike about me. "Yanking your chain" means, you know, lying to you. Except I wasn't lying and I think a good 20-30 people can confirm that. And if you're/the moderators going to continue to let him yank my chain, just tell me, okay? I'm sure when I do lie to you, people will let you know. But I'm not going to let him (or anyone else here, for that matter)yank my chain without me responding accordingly. Well, when someone lies to you I'm sure you'll do the responsible thing and point out exactly why they are wrong complete with cites to appropriate sources, hopefully relevant RFCs, correct? Let's make this one in a nice floral arrangement, ok? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Effective Immediately
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:49:01 -0500, Joe Finocchiaro wrote: JF I thought my reply was well within bounds, Curtis, I rewrote it JF several times, in fact, to get it there. JF The above is *sarcasm,* sarcasm in direct response to Lamb's own sarcasm, and JF I thought sarcasm was allowed? JF If not, why allow Lamb's? Oh dear. Why did I open my mouth? Firstly, I can't allow Steve to, or prevent Steve from doing anything on this list. I'm not a moderator. OK? Steve and I go far back on this list and this is why I make no comments about his behaviour. His behaviour is well established knowledge. JF Could you please point out the specific violation of the "new" rules? I'll explain that privately. I'll not involve the rest of the readers but a couple other things. JF And if you're/the moderators going to continue to let him yank my JF chain, just tell me, okay? JF I'll find another group from whence to get help with TB, or I'll JF just ditch TB altogether and go back to Eudora. I didn't mean for you to feel this way JF No, no one will miss my contributions to this mail list, because I JF have very little to contribute at this point. And maybe you think JF Lamb's contributions here are worth letting him get away with murder, JF that's certainly your/the moderators prerogative. It's your list. Personally, I'm just a subscriber to this list as anyone else. Sorry for bothering you there. -- -=A. Curtis Martin=- [TB! v1.46 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Famous last words - Jesus Christ: Father, beam me up. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Effective Immediately
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, August 10, 2000, 5:08:04 PM, Joe wrote: Thanks, everyone out there who gave me a lot of help, and there were quite a few of you! You're most welcome. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOZOAYXpf7K2LbpnFEQJEZgCeIyz4J10VwqHfyuhCack7k8ialyIAoLM0 xFWIZeLdXyhM1LQIgcDCuCuI =Ah7d -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
