Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
Hi Keith, On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:09:03 -0600GMT (01/08/2001, 14:09 +0800GMT), Keith Russell wrote: KR SPA was apparently developed by Microsoft, who recently changed their KR means of authentication, and is unique to them. Another reason to avoid MSN. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53o under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
Hello Mark, On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:37:39 -0400 GMT (31/07/2001, 20:37 +0800 GMT), Mark Knipfer wrote: MK Does The Bat! 1.53d or newer support SMTP Secure Password MK Authentication (SPA)? Take a look at Account / Properties / Transport / Send Mail / Authentication. MK MSN implemented SMTP SPA lately and many MSN users are not wanting to MK switch to or use Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express 5.x. If what they use is something proprietary to MS, change ISP. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/4 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 9:26:24 AM, Thomas F wrote: Hello Mark, On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:37:39 -0400 GMT (31/07/2001, 20:37 +0800 GMT), Mark Knipfer wrote: MK Does The Bat! 1.53d or newer support SMTP Secure Password MK Authentication (SPA)? Take a look at Account / Properties / Transport / Send Mail / Authentication. I only see the following settings without no mention of SPA: Accounts | Properties | Transport Click Authentication in the Send Mail section: SMTP Authentication [ ] Perform SMTP authentication (RFC 2554) ( ) Use settings for Mail retrieval ( ) Use specific settings [username and password] ( ) Store password on iKey [ ] Require secure (MD5) authentication [ ] Use POP before SMTP authentication MK MSN implemented SMTP SPA lately and many MSN users are not wanting to MK switch to or use Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express 5.x. If what they use is something proprietary to MS, change ISP. Based on what I know about MSN SMTP SPA so far, it is not a Microsoft proprietary authentication which I find surprising. -- Mark Knipfer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/4 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
Hello Mark, On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:35:47 -0400 GMT (31/07/2001, 21:35 +0800 GMT), Mark Knipfer wrote: MK I only see the following settings without no mention of SPA: MK Click Authentication in the Send Mail section: MK SMTP Authentication What's in a word? ;-) I was just guessing, as I don't know whether SPA is defined in any RFC. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Prepositions are not words to end sentences with. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/4 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 9:48:04 AM, Thomas F wrote: Hello Mark, On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:35:47 -0400 GMT (31/07/2001, 21:35 +0800 GMT), Mark Knipfer wrote: MK I only see the following settings without no mention of SPA: MK Click Authentication in the Send Mail section: MK SMTP Authentication What's in a word? ;-) I was just guessing, as I don't know whether SPA is defined in any RFC. Unfortuntely, Secure Password Authentication (SPA) is not a RFC. If The Bat! works with SMTP SPA, I can direct some users over to The Bat! so they can avoid using Microsoft Outlook 2000 or Outlook Express 5.x. -- Mark Knipfer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/4 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:35:47 -0400GMT (which was 15:35 +0200GMT where I live), Mark Knipfer presented us with these thoughts about SMTP SPA for MSN: MK Does The Bat! 1.53d or newer support SMTP Secure Password MK Authentication (SPA)? Take a look at Account / Properties / Transport / Send Mail / Authentication. MK I only see the following settings without no mention of SPA: MK Accounts | Properties | Transport MK Click Authentication in the Send Mail section: MK SMTP Authentication MK [ ] Perform SMTP authentication (RFC 2554) Hi Mark, that's the one. RFC or not, I have set my GMX accounts to SPA, and everything works fine with TB! with this option checked. - -- Cheers Peter -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGP-signed for better authentication :o) Comment: Key available at http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Comment: Key-ID:0xE10774CE Comment: Have a lot of fun! :-) iQA/AwUBO2bOeAM2UgbhB3TOEQK8mgCgtlsj7s5vrTYMOjne36ig662sunoAn0O0 bqgu8oQ3dHG+4vALwyzhnbk4 =t2eW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:16:11 -0400GMT (which was 19:16 +0200GMT where I live), Mark Knipfer wrote this about SMTP SPA for MSN: MK Peter, MK You are indicating that The Bat! should work fine with MSN's SMTP mail MK server using SPA. Correct? Sorry, Mark, I overlooked MSN. I don't use it and I don't intend to. This setting works fine with my GMX accounts, that are set to SPA. So, The Bat! seems to have no problems... Cheers Peter -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGP-signed for better authentication :o) Comment: Key available at http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Comment: Key-ID:0xE10774CE Comment: Have a lot of fun! :-) iQA/AwUBO2bjlAM2UgbhB3TOEQKb/QCeKSQGdILfyH0o2R+R/hbjfF4u5lYAn1p+ 33XGCzBg2Fw0svyQMN9tCO1z =vPhL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
Tuesday, July 31, 2001, 1:58:15 PM, Peter Meyns wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:16:11 -0400GMT (which was 19:16 +0200GMT where I live), Mark Knipfer wrote this about SMTP SPA for MSN: MK Peter, MK You are indicating that The Bat! should work fine with MSN's SMTP mail MK server using SPA. Correct? Sorry, Mark, I overlooked MSN. I don't use it and I don't intend to. This setting works fine with my GMX accounts, that are set to SPA. So, The Bat! seems to have no problems... Cheers Peter Are you using SPA with POP3 and/or SMTP on GMX? If The Bat! works with SMTP SPA on GMX, I *presume* it will work on MSN's SMTP mail servers. -- Mark Knipfer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/4 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:05:21 -0400GMT (which was 20:05 +0200GMT where I live), Mark Knipfer presented us with these thoughts about SMTP SPA for MSN: MK Are you using SPA with POP3 and/or SMTP on GMX? Yes, exactly. MK If The Bat! works with SMTP SPA on GMX, I *presume* it will work on MK MSN's SMTP mail servers. That's what I thought. :o) Cheers Peter -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGP-signed for better authentication :o) Comment: Key available at http://www.meynsweb.com/public-key.txt Comment: Key-ID:0xE10774CE Comment: Have a lot of fun! :-) iQA/AwUBO2bqxAM2UgbhB3TOEQLdegCaA/YiSdMQDgRHKSnishvE17tdF2cAoMVF 9BHD6RZ1z85OhIYhDTseXv7o =zFVw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SMTP SPA for MSN
Hello, Mark. snip If The Bat! works with SMTP SPA on GMX, I *presume* it will work on MSN's SMTP mail servers. FWIW: SPA is currently being discussed on the Agent lists. Let me say first that I am NOT an expert in authentication, and this is the first I had heard about SPA. As I understand it, though, SMTP Authentication (as supported by The Bat! and GMX) is NOT SPA. SPA was apparently developed by Microsoft, who recently changed their means of authentication, and is unique to them. I would guess that The Bat! does not support SPA; perhaps one of the developers can clarify -- Keith Russell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ...If it jams, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
