Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello Michael Disabato, On Thu, 23 May 2002 16:26:01 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, May 24, 2002, 4:26:01 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Michael Disabato wrote: Wednesday, May 22, 2002, 1:11:05 AM, Thomas scribbled: TF Newsgroups and Mailing Lists have different climates. I don't think TF crossposting is a good idea. Crossposting is out of the question. I will not have my email address posted on USENET ever again. The last isnt a problem as long as it is a throw away email address... Thank you. Mike -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.60m mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On Friday, May 24, 2002, tracer wrote... Michael Disabato wrote: Crossposting is out of the question. I will not have my email address posted on USENET ever again. The last isnt a problem as long as it is a throw away email address... Or the server is a private server, and users require authorisation, or some kind of method to stop robots from accessing the lists (not too difficult to do with INN, you can do client based access restrictions I think). -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello tracer! On Friday, May 24, 2002 at 5:51:17 PM you wrote: The last isnt a problem as long as it is a throw away email address... I am now on the list for slightly more than 2 years. With a throw away address (I do use such sometimes) I'd have to re-subscribe very often ... -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60m on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Panta Rei. Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Friday, May 24, 2002, 10:51:17 AM, tracer scribbled: Crossposting is out of the question. I will not have my email address posted on USENET ever again. t The last isnt a problem as long as it is a throw away email address... That's real convenient when you have certificates and PGP keys to manage. Mike smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, 22:19, Britt Malka wrote: RO I have to do complicated things to be able follow newsgroups with RO TB. How complicated? I would like to explain :-) - How do you make a smiley with waving eyelashes? Visit the archive and search for a thread named Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.txt Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, 11:39:15 AM, Tim Fountain wrote: Personally I find newsgroups much easier to browse than mailing lists, and weren't there plans to make TB into a news client as well in version 2...? When TB! is a news client, then maybe it would make sense. Maybe when we start beta testing a TB! news client it would make sense, but not before, IMHO. It would be nice to be able to mark threads to watch and threads to ignore in TB! but I've yet to find a news client I like at all, let alone like as much at TB! -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60i on Windows XP version 5,1 Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On Wed, 22 May 2002 03:18:53 +0100 Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to Paul Wilson on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ ... ] Newsgroups? Personally, I don't read them! Life is too short. If the user base really wants a NewsGroup and to disband this list I will resign as moderator. Period. Even I can run News Server connected to current List Server on this HOST, but I will not to do that. Please find another server, I don't want to host it, sorry. -- syafril --- Syafril Hermansyah [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Administrator and List Maintainer. Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello Joseph, On Tue, 21 May 2002 20:17:28 -0500GMT (22-5-02, 3:17 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: JN Isn't it time we created a newsgroup where messages could be posted JN and read, even retained for a period of time? You're forgetting that TB is an e-mail client and that lots of the readers of this list are not interested in news and therefore don't have installed a newsreader. (No I don't considser Outbreak Express an option) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hail Joseph On 22 May 2002 at 20:17:28 -0500 (which was 02:17 where I live) Joseph N. wrote and made these points Isn't it time we created a newsgroup Humm. I spot on oxymoron here (I think). A news group for an email client. I have used news groups but I find them harder to use that a list. I for one would not participate. - -- See you in Cyber space, ___ David | SecureBat!1.60l | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Server 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | The big ship. I want to see that one explode. - Tol Sivron | ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQE860zw+Yrx5mUPRTQRAoa6AJwP5RrG46E/LcXwVYFs9nMBmXlO3ACeLr+b ft1S+7ts/bGbab/njaazg+M= =oY+e -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello Joseph! On Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 3:17:28 AM you wrote: The email load has become too great. Even with threading, the time to download messages or even headers and then to weed through them has, in my opinion, slipped over the line of cost:benefit. It sounds to good to be true, to have a newsgroup where one downloads headers in a few seconds and then decide which threads are really interesting. I have yet to come on one that really functions as well as these lists. The Paradox Community has created its own server - for other reasons - and it is neither as communicative as before nor faster than a ML. I usually have to try connecting more than two times; I very often get Connection failed. With the load on the server I'd rather have an ML. Isn't it time we created a newsgroup where messages could be posted and read, even retained for a period of time? I admit this question doesn't come up to often, but it does frequently. And I am always astonished as to why people asking for a newsgroup just don't get ahead and create one. then tell us on the lists, make it known through other channels - there are lots of people using TB! not being on any TBML - and see what happens. Any interest in this? Not really. I already do read all messages - well, some of them only get skimmed -, and I always find interesting ideas (not necessarily TB! related) within threads I wouldn't touch if I'd only see the header. BTW, a newsgroup would mean - as Marck himself pointed out in of these discussions a few months ago - to not use TB! but a news client like Agent, perhaps even Outlook Express. Any more questions ...? -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60k on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only way to live life. Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hi Thomas, On Wed, 22 May 2002 13:11:05 +0700, you wrote: Hello Jonathan, On Tue, 21 May 2002 22:07:03 -0500 GMT (22/05/02, 10:07 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: JA There is always a third option. Some mailing list managers (mailman for JA example) allow auto-posting to news groups/servers. If a newsgroup was to JA be established, then a sort of cross-post could be established where JA anything posted to the newsgroup gets posted here, and visa-versa. Newsgroups and Mailing Lists have different climates. I don't think crossposting is a good idea. How would setting a list to post to newsgroup, and mailing list cause problems? And what did you mean about different climates? I can understand that sometimes people post slightly different on news groups, but I've been on several news groups where they cross-post to mailing lists as well. When I say cross-post, I don't mean two individual addresses specified, I mean the mailing list software/news server software passing the messages between each other, no end user interaction on that part. All I said was it was worth a look into if there was enough interest. I'm in the process of setting up a news server for the company I work for anyway, so checking it out at the same time wouldn't be much hassle. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello, This is not a poll of course but, for the record, I don't think a newsgroup would offer any serious advantage over the mailing list format; unless one considers the bandwidth, as already pointed out. That said, I'd still read a newsgroup about TB! if the mailing list were to be replaced by it. - -- Best regards, Costasmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Send%20PGP%20Key -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ iQCVAwUBPOtowe9OwzMv6NuJAQFJrgQApJYVR1rT1O1oIuOTpJ/OKifMfQK/J/9h +D1P46JVlDMPrV1i5wuTksF7TZYesWp1Ny3pIdsFnFK7cgfZowecksd9Cf4jc7MP xyId9PgB6y+tOKk9JZnySE5hao5RiF0KW8PQ/ddRmqkFXSRqqc08CssM4LwqVIoN Ny5S6McmQw4= =H+Cl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, Allie C Martin wrote... Meaning that newsgroups, unless they're private, are usually not moderated. This allows a lot of flaming, arguing, off-topic discussions and circular discussions completing way too many circles before ending. Well, as is with the list, the newsgroup would be private, and maybe on just a single news server, provided by RitLabs, or a willing member of this list. And as it is just going to be a duplicate (or another method of viewing/posting) of the current list... the existing moderators have no extra work to do. JA I can understand that sometimes people post slightly different on JA news groups, Yes. This is why I generally don't like them and have since stopped. You yourself may end up posting differently. I haven't used a news group in a long while. Although I occasionally drop in them for information, and quick answers. JA but I've been on several news groups where they cross-post to JA mailing lists as well. When I say cross-post, I don't mean two JA individual addresses specified, I mean the mailing list JA software/news server software passing the messages between each JA other, no end user interaction on that part. These lists are unmoderated, I assume. No... they can be moderated by the list moderator, or a dedicated newsgroup moderator (which would make either the list moderator redundant, or the newsgroup moderator pointless). I do prefer an e-mail based list. TB! already has the capability to thread messages so reading isn't a problem. The readers can participate using TB!. In fact, the only problem is bandwidth, but I think the advantages outweigh this disadvantage. I do agree. I can understand why people can see a newsgroup being a good idea, if they suffer bandwidth limitations, or even time limitations. One big disadvantage for me would be that I'd have to check the news server regularly and I'd have to put up with Gravity if I wanted to prevent this. Argh! Don't forget that participants would have to find a news reader and learn how to use it when they're already learning to use TB!. It just seems wrong to put TB! aside to read a discussion list about it. Understood. I can see the ideas of not using TB! to read about TB!... kind of defeats the whole purpose of TB! in general. While I doubt that I'd be gone if a newsgroup were to be started, I don't particularly agree with it though it's a free world of course and anyone who wishes to start a news group can do so as was done with these groups. :-) As my original idea said... it'd not replace the mail list... in fact it'll just be the mail list, but passed onto a news server. Any posts that hit the lists, get dropped into the news server, and any news postings get posted back to the list. There'd be no change in bandwidth usage for list owner (after all, it acts just like another email address), and the news server will sustain the same amount of data as the list. I'd be happy to look into it *only* if there is enough interest in the idea... and based on what a lot of you guys seem to be saying, there appears to be very little interest in it. I'm looking into a similar system for the company I work for, we'll be setting up our help list into a news server, while maintaining the mail list. So I'm already going to be halfway in the area of what I mentioned. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, Dierk Haasis wrote... Ähem, sorry to interrupt, but ... where would be the advantage? It sounds a bit like adding two things together so there respective disadvantages would sum up.* The advantage would be for the end reader. They can then choose if they want to get 100 or so emails every day, and use bandwidth, or go grab the headers of the news server, and decide which threads to read. This (IIRC) was the original idea. *Seldom, if ever, it is the advantages that add up. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, Costas Papadopoulos wrote: This is not a poll of course but, for the record, I don't think a newsgroup would offer any serious advantage over the mailing list format; unless one considers the bandwidth, as already pointed out. Personally I find newsgroups much easier to browse than mailing lists, and weren't there plans to make TB into a news client as well in version 2...? -- Tim Fountain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.tfountain.co.uk/ Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello Roelof, You're forgetting that TB is an e-mail client... I follow a few newsgroups with TB! :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello Miguel, On Wed, 22 May 2002 21:52:29 +0200GMT (22-5-02, 21:52 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: You're forgetting that TB is an e-mail client... MAU I follow a few newsgroups with TB! :) So do I. That's the point. I have to do complicated things to be able follow newsgroups with TB. (Yes, I consider installing a server as a complicated thing an way to difficult for somebody who 'only wants to read e-mail') -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello Clive, (If only there were kill-file/ignore options a la VA). Yes, I miss VA's Ignore option :-( -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.60c Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 4:04:11 PM you wrote: As my original idea said... it'd not replace the mail list... in fact it'll just be the mail list, but passed onto a news server. Any posts that hit the lists, get dropped into the news server, and any news postings get posted back to the list. There'd be no change in bandwidth usage for list owner Ähem, sorry to interrupt, but ... where would be the advantage? It sounds a bit like adding two things together so there respective disadvantages would sum up.* *Seldom, if ever, it is the advantages that add up. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60k on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Marriage is a wonderful institution, but who wants to live in an institution? Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On Wed, 22 May 2002 at 22:16 GMT +0200 (23/05/2002 3:16 where you think I live) Roelof Otten=[RO] wrote to Miguel A. Urech : You're forgetting that TB is an e-mail client... MAU I follow a few newsgroups with TB! :) So do I. That's the point. So we agree the point is we prefer to read using TB!. I have to do complicated things to be able follow newsgroups with TB. Even my mailer in Linux (Sylpheed Claws) having News capability, but I saw more and more people run leafnode (tiny news server) and access news through local folder instead directly contact remote news server using news protocol. -- Best regards, - Syafril - mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! 1.60m under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Tuesday, 5/21/02, 6:08 PM Hi Joseph, On Tue, 21 May 2002, at 20:17:28 [GMT -0500] (which was 6:17 PM where I live) you wrote about: 'Time for a TB! newsgroup?' J Isn't it time we created a newsgroup where messages could be posted J and read, even retained for a period of time? It would not have to be J carried widely on various ISP's; it could still be hosted by the very J generous people who are now hosting the archives or by RITlabs J themselves. J Any interest in this? Isn't it time? If that happens I will get along without the lists. If you think the moderators are busy now, just wait until they are having to weed out the spam and porn. Yes I know you are going to suggest a subscription only newsgroup, they still figure out a way to get it in. E-mail lists are the best. This is an E-mail program after all. If the volume is too much, just read the archives and don't subscribe to the lists. Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul -- Orville Bullitt - Full throttle, dry tank. Powered by The Bat! v1.60m under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paul, @22 May 2002, 18:14:06 -0700 (02:14 UK time) Paul Wilson wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J Any interest in this? Isn't it time? If that happens I will get along without the lists. If you think the moderators are busy now, just wait until they are having to weed out the spam and porn. Yes I know you are going to suggest a subscription only newsgroup, they still figure out a way to get it in. Agreed. And I'm one of the guys who'll have to manage it! E-mail lists are the best. This is an E-mail program after all. If the volume is too much, just read the archives and don't subscribe to the lists. I agree here too. The list traffic goes in waves. It's been a bit thick lately - there have been a couple of hot potatoes. Newsgroups? Personally, I don't read them! Life is too short. If the user base really wants a NewsGroup and to disband this list I will resign as moderator. Period. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60m-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt build 08 iQA/AwUBPOsAETnkJKuSnc2gEQJMHQCg6G7s5uMbPAlRnJlpEad7WCsM+LAAn0H9 Lu3FlMCndt4O3Wk5mrwK4jqS =t3of -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hi Marck, On Wed, 22 May 2002 03:18:53 +0100, you wrote: If that happens I will get along without the lists. If you think the moderators are busy now, just wait until they are having to weed out the spam and porn. Yes I know you are going to suggest a subscription only newsgroup, they still figure out a way to get it in. Agreed. And I'm one of the guys who'll have to manage it! I don't mind helping out if it is required. ;) E-mail lists are the best. This is an E-mail program after all. If the volume is too much, just read the archives and don't subscribe to the lists. I agree here too. The list traffic goes in waves. It's been a bit thick lately - there have been a couple of hot potatoes. Newsgroups? Personally, I don't read them! Life is too short. If the user base really wants a NewsGroup and to disband this list I will resign as moderator. Period. There is always a third option. Some mailing list managers (mailman for example) allow auto-posting to news groups/servers. If a newsgroup was to be established, then a sort of cross-post could be established where anything posted to the newsgroup gets posted here, and visa-versa. In this situation, no extra moderators required, and whoever runs the news server/group can deal with that side. I can look into it if there is enough requests for it. It'll then give people the option to use newsgroup over mailing list. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Versatile Group Tel: 972 991 1370 x 205 Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hi Joseph, I am interested in a TB Newsgroup! Best regards, Joe O mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, May 21, 2002, 9:17:28 PM, you wrote: The email load has become too great. Even with threading, the time to download messages or even headers and then to weed through them has, in my opinion, slipped over the line of cost:benefit. Isn't it time we created a newsgroup where messages could be posted and read, even retained for a period of time? It would not have to be carried widely on various ISP's; it could still be hosted by the very generous people who are now hosting the archives or by RITlabs themselves. Any interest in this? Isn't it time? Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On 20020522, Joseph N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [TB! newsgroup, obviously] Any interest in this? Isn't it time? I'm already reading this and a bunch of other mailing lists as newsgroups[1], so to me personally it won't make much of a difference. If I had the choice between pulling from a news server and converting email to news myself, I would, however, pick the news server. Although my current setup isn't difficult to do as such, newsgroups are a little bit easier to work with, and I find them just much _cleaner_ to handle. I belive a private news server would be the best choice in this matter -- small, private news servers are just about immune to the spam and porn problems[2] that would scare Paul Wilson and possibly others off. Spammers only care[3] about newsgroups which are publicly propagated. With a private server, the administrators can also provide several alternative interfaces -- the same lists could be followed as news, mail and even on the web. It's really only limited to how much work one is willing to put into it. [1] As a general rule, I find mailing lists to be nothing but a nuisance, so I convert them to newsgroups using Hamster[4]. I wouldn't bother to follow any mailing lists _at all_ without the possibility of scoring, easy killfiling and whatnot. I (heart) my Hamster. [2] Yes, I know this for a fact, as I did run a small news server myself for some time using, yep, you guessed it, Hamster. [3] As far as spammers care about anything as such, of course. [4] A free news- and mailserver for windows which can be found at URL:http://www.tglsoft.de/ -- Tone Marie Berg Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Tuesday, 5/21/02, 9:02 PM Hi Nick, On Tue, 21 May 2002, at 21:15:31 [GMT -0700] (which was 9:15 PM where I live) you wrote about: 'Time for a TB! newsgroup?' N Let's end this crazy debate about a TB Newsgroup. Right on Nick. By the way, Thank You, using your instructions I have ADR up and running. It sure is faster than waiting to connect to my ISP's server. Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul -- They're working for King Features Syndicate? - Crow Powered by The Bat! v1.60m under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello Tone Marie Berg, On Tuesday, May 21 2002 at 08:21 PM PDT, you wrote: [1] As a general rule, I find mailing lists to be nothing but a nuisance, so I convert them to newsgroups using Hamster Hamster is an abomination and belongs with News Clients that are incapable of connecting to more than one Server... it's way past it's time. TB is a Mail Client, and it's discussion belongs in a Mailing List. Let's end this crazy debate about a TB Newsgroup. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On Tue, 21 May 2002, Nick Andriash wrote to TBUDL: Hamster is an abomination and belongs with News Clients that are incapable of connecting to more than one Server... Hamster can connect to as many mail and news servers as you like, all at the same time, and it's not fairly characterized as a 'News Client'. it's way past it's time. Hamster is up-to-date, is remarkably versatile, and its development continues apace. (That said, I couldn't care less whether or not TBUDL moves to netnews.) -- Mike v1.60k (unregistered, for now) Windows 98 Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello Michael L. Cusac, On Tuesday, May 21 2002 at 09:54 PM PDT, you wrote: Hamster is an abomination and belongs with News Clients that are incapable of connecting to more than one Server... Hamster can connect to as many mail and news servers as you like, all at the same time, and it's not fairly characterized as a 'News Client'. You've misread my statement... I never said Hamster couldn't connect with multiple News Servers. I said it belongs 'with' News Clients that cannot connect to multiple News Servers, or in other words used with Clients such as Agent. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Nick Andriash wrote to TBUDL: You've misread my statement... I never said Hamster couldn't connect with multiple News Servers. I said it belongs 'with' News Clients that cannot connect to multiple News Servers, or in other words used with Clients such as Agent. I did misread you, and I apologize. -- Mike v1.60k (unregistered, for now) Windows 98 Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?
Hello Jonathan, On Tue, 21 May 2002 22:07:03 -0500 GMT (22/05/02, 10:07 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: JA There is always a third option. Some mailing list managers (mailman for JA example) allow auto-posting to news groups/servers. If a newsgroup was to be JA established, then a sort of cross-post could be established where anything JA posted to the newsgroup gets posted here, and visa-versa. Newsgroups and Mailing Lists have different climates. I don't think crossposting is a good idea. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Who the hell wants to hear actors talk? --H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60k under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
