Re: What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!
Hello Doug, I'm thinking particularly about whether it is best to have it edit the subject line or add an x-header, but any other tips will be welcome! Use x-header. You can filter on it just as well and, if you reply, you don't bother anyone with a modified subject. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.0.7 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!
Hello, I'm thinking particularly about whether it is best to have it edit the subject line or add an x-header, but any other tips will be wel I make it alter the subject line so that: a) I know what I am sending if I forward or reply to the email (manually delete any addition)... b) I can click on it to get directly to the change classificatiion page of POPFile. Can I expect it to be faster then the current default plugin in V3.0? In my experience you can expect it to be 100 per cent faster. I./e: BayesIt kills The Bat every time, POPFile doesn't. And I find POPFile so much easier to control - I didn't have aclue what was going on with BayesIt. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 3.0 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!
Hello Doug Weller, 06-Sep-2004 20:37, you wrote: I'm thinking particularly about whether it is best to have it edit the subject line or add an x-header, but any other tips will be welcome! I don't like the subjects to be altered (you have to think of it each time when you reply/forward unless you clean the subject in TB! with a regex-enhanced template for replies and forwards) - obviously, I'm using the x-text-classification header. :) This has other advantages: you can configure TB! to show the header, as well as the reclassification URL of PopFile in the header pane of the preview window, thus checking wether the classification is correct and, in case PopFile made a wrong classification, reclassify is only one click away. *nice* Can I expect it to be faster then the current default plugin in V3.0? Depending on how much mail you get (well, being on this list alone brings quite some each day ATM...) it may be slower (but I used BayesIt only a very short time). After all PopFile is written in Perl, and Bayes analysis requires a database (mine is 1.4MB right now). And be aware that PopFile can be quite a resource hog - using concurrent POP connections results in 100% CPU-load peaks during mail retrieval, and memory usage is something like 20MB here, always. Another note: of course, every Bayes filter requires training - it needs to know which messages is spam, which is ham, at least (but keeping only spam and ham apart is not all PopFile will do for you, of course). That is so much easier in PopFile with the use of magnets. For example, set up a magnet that will put every mail from this list into a bucket genuine (or whatever you want to call it) - PopFile learns from every magneted message and you have a big ham database in no time. JFYI: I have seven buckets in PopFile (english, german, spam, invoices, newsletters, ebay, orders) and run the program since 21-Jul-2004. Accuracy is 98.51% at the moment, with a total of 4313 messages classified and 64 classification errors. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I'm afraid of losing my obscurity. Genuineness only thrives in the dark. Like celery. (Aldous Huxley, 1894-1963, British author) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!
Hello Alexander, JFYI: I have seven buckets in PopFile (english, german, spam, invoices, newsletters, ebay, orders) and run the program since 21-Jul-2004. Accuracy is 98.51% at the moment, with a total of 4313 messages classified and 64 classification errors. Similarly to you I use 9 buckets, two of them for Spanish and English, and this my performance: Classification Accuracy Messages classified: 192,991 Classification errors: 323 Accuracy: 99.83% I use one of the buckets as a virus _detector_ and, including the training period, this are the results so far: Bucket virus Messages classified: 8,219 (4.25%) False Positives: 21 False negatives: 56 And it hasn't had any wrong classification in many months now. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.0.7 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!
Hi Alexander, Monday, September 6, 2004, 9:45:09 PM, you wrote: Alexander Hello Doug Weller, Alexander 06-Sep-2004 20:37, you wrote: I'm thinking particularly about whether it is best to have it edit the subject line or add an x-header, but any other tips will be welcome! Alexander I don't like the subjects to be altered (you have to think of it each time Alexander when you reply/forward unless you clean the subject in TB! with a Alexander regex-enhanced template for replies and forwards) - obviously, I'm using Alexander the x-text-classification header. :) I agree. My ISP filters spam and adds a header which I can configure, but I think I shall turn that off as I hate having ham which has [probable spam] in the subject line! Alexander This has other advantages: you can configure TB! to show the header, as Alexander well as the reclassification URL of PopFile in the header pane of the Alexander preview window, thus checking wether the Alexander classification is correct and, in Alexander case PopFile made a wrong classification, Alexander reclassify is only one click Alexander away. *nice* Good idea. Can I expect it to be faster then the current default plugin in V3.0? Alexander Depending on how much mail you get (well, being Alexander on this list alone brings Alexander quite some each day ATM...) it may be slower (but I used BayesIt only a Alexander very short time). After all PopFile is written in Perl, and Bayes analysis Alexander requires a database (mine is 1.4MB right now). I hope it's not slower, filtering seems to be slowing down email delivery right now for me. And my wife's is terrible, 23 emails taking 3 minutes, I have no idea why as she has a very small database. She's using v.3 also but that made no difference, nor did getting rid of the dozen .tmp files, compressing, etc. Alexander And be aware that PopFile can be quite a resource hog - using concurrent Alexander POP connections results in 100% CPU-load peaks Alexander during mail retrieval, and Alexander memory usage is something like 20MB here, always. Alexander Another note: of course, every Bayes filter Alexander requires training - it needs to Alexander know which messages is spam, which is ham, at Alexander least (but keeping only spam Alexander and ham apart is not all PopFile will do for you, of course). That is so Alexander much easier in PopFile with the use of magnets. For example, set up a Alexander magnet that will put every mail from this list Alexander into a bucket genuine (or Alexander whatever you want to call it) - PopFile learns Alexander from every magneted message Alexander and you have a big ham database in no time. I hall do that, good idea. [SNIP] Thanks to everyone who replied. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated The Bat! 3.0 Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
