Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Krister Ekstrom]

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on Tuesday, September 26, 2000 14:21:52, our bat friend A . Curtis Martin typed:


JD>> Or they could just look in the TBUDL archives. Also no one even seems
JD>> to read the welcome message or help file anymore. Frequently there are
JD>> posts that could easily be answered if people just looked at the help
JD>> file.

ACM> This may be true but when some subscribe to this list, witness the warm
ACM> community atmosphere, and the prompt answering of questions, they feel
ACM> tempted to ask questions here instead of *always* first going through
ACM> the help file or the FAQ's. Afterall, if you shoot a question of

And there's one more thing, the help file doesn't have *all* the
answers and is as you know somewhat cryptic at times. If you're also
using a dial-up connection it can take loong to sift through the
many faqs and hint files on the web. Time that, at least where i live
cost money.
I can imagine that the TBUDL archives are huge, and you know how
search engines are. When you want quick help on the subject of say
signal strings in filters, and type "strings" or something because you
don't know the exact right terms for things, you get a
gazillion hits on other totally irelevant material.




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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Ming-Li]

On Monday, September 25, 2000, 4:32:23 PM, Januk wrote:

>>  Unfortunately, the width of the "Total" column can't be adjusted
>> (can it?).

> The "Total Column" width is just the difference between the New
> width and the edge of the window.  If you notice, you'll never get
> a horizontal scroll bar on the account tree.  (At least I can't
> get one).

Indeed.

>>  I hence adjust the width of my account tree pane so that only
>> new message count can be shown, and the "Total" column would be
>> obscured. But then there's the "To" on the column header (for
>> "tal" is hidden); it's not pretty.

> I don't follow.  On mine I can adjust the width of the Account
> tree to be small enough to completely hide the total column...

H I got it. I need to set the "New" column wider. I used to
set it just wide enough to accommodate the new message counts (no
more than 3 digits). Hence if I adjust the width of the pane to hide
the "Total" column totally (including the column heading, aka the
word "Total"), the vertical scrolling bar would cut into the "New"
column and obscure some of the digits.

How come I didn't think of that. :( Many thanks.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Havivah D. Schwartz]

Hello Jamie and TBUDL,

Tuesday, September 26, 2000, 04:20:26, Jamie wrote:



JD> Or they could just look in the TBUDL archives.

Suggesting that peope use TBUDL archives for help is nothing more then
a bandaid; you can't seriously expect people to wade through hundreds
of messages on case studies of regular expressions, for example, in
order to learn how to do the one regular expression they want to do.
TBUDL is wonderful, and the moderators and other gurus are exceedingly
generous with their time and knowledge, but this is no replacement for
a manual.

Perhaps the easiest way to combine the wealth of TBUDL archives with
the dire need for up-to-date & thorough help files would be to create
a sort of hyperlinked table of contents to the best TBUDL threads or
messages. This would be an excellent complement to the online FAQ, and
would require comparatively little work (instead of writing new
material to keep the FAQ up to date, just come up with a two-line
summary of a thread for the online TOC, and hyperlink to the thread in
the archives). comments?

JD> TB! and it's help file is not at fault it's just faulty users.

I don't think that's entirely fair, and besides, I very much doubt
that TB suffers more from "faulty users" than most programs that reach
a wide audience.

JD> The other problem is that the condensed knowledge of TBUDL in pdf
JD>format would be larger  than Office 2K, I would no be happy if I
JD>downloaded a 2MB program  with a 15MB help file, most of which I'd
JD>never use.

I believe the suggestion has been made that the manual be packaged as
a separate download in html, pdf, or both. we'll see what actually
happens -- say, when v2 has come out?  :)

Havivah



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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Ming-Li]

On Monday, September 25, 2000, 2:23:16 PM, Arjan wrote:

> I'm sorry, Ming-Li. That "initiative" of mine was meant to be a
> joke.

Marck pointed that out already. I got caught pants down this time,
didn't I. 

Honestly I only vaguely remember your post, and that Marck poked
some fun on it. Then I thought it's just another fooling-around
thread and didn't follow (I usually do, and I do like the occasional
"silly" posts on the list, but I'm too busy recently, and the
already heavy traffic on TBUDL/TBBETA seems to be increasing all the
time; not that it's a bad thing, though). I didn't even remember who
posted it.

Then came Tony's message, in which he mentioned the "dedicated
list". He's probably joking, too, but I got convinced there's indeed
such a list. So I searched through the folder to dig out your name.
(To moderator, I sent out my reply to Tony before Curtis' message
declaring the thread dead came in. Sorry.)

> However, be assured that in no way I intended to deceive, annoy or
> insult TBUDL, its members and its moderators.

I flunked a "humor test" badly; the fault is mine.

> I sincerely hope you won't feel offended by my leg-pulling.

Why should I. :)

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:20:26 +0100, Jamie Dainton wrote:

JD> Or they could just look in the TBUDL archives. Also no one even seems
JD> to read the welcome message or help file anymore. Frequently there are
JD> posts that could easily be answered if people just looked at the help
JD> file.

This may be true but when some subscribe to this list, witness the warm
community atmosphere, and the prompt answering of questions, they feel
tempted to ask questions here instead of *always* first going through
the help file or the FAQ's. Afterall, if you shoot a question of
clarification at the help file it doesn't respond.

JD> TB! and it's help file is not at fault it's just faulty users.

I beg to disagree here. A lot of TB!'s help consists of overviews. Only
the experienced and those like myself who take long periods of time
experimenting, going through long periods of trial and error will learn.
A more detailed help would go a long way here. TB! 's help is not the
only one that I have used or read and I really have to disagree.

JD> For some more advanced topics TBUDL is good but recently we seem to
JD> be swamped with very simple questions. Other people have noticed
JD> this and commented on it (on and off list). The other problem is
JD> that the condensed knowledge of TBUDL in pdf format would be larger
JD> than Office 2K, I would no be happy if I downloaded a 2MB program
JD> with a 15MB help file, most of which I'd never use.

You're exaggerating here Jamie, for effect, I suppose but the help could
really be more detailed in areas.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Ming-Li,


On  Monday, September 25, 2000  at  06:17:55 GMT -0700 (which was 6:17 AM
where I live) witnesses say Ming-Li typed:


> OTOH, I sometimes like to have a glance at my folder tree
> and see the distribution of messages, and I appreciate TB for giving
> me that.

See I view my messages almost exclusively in the preview pane with a
full height account tree.  The account tree layout and functionality
was the first thing that *really* caught my attention with TB.

>  Unfortunately, the width of the
> "Total" column can't be adjusted (can it?).

The "Total Column" width is just the difference between the New width
and the edge of the window.  If you notice, you'll never get a
horizontal scroll bar on the account tree.  (At least I can't get
one).

>  I hence adjust the width
> of my account tree pane so that only new message count can be shown,
> and the "Total" column would be obscured. But then there's the "To"
> on the column header (for "tal" is hidden); it's not pretty.

I don't follow.  On mine I can adjust the width of the Account tree to
be small enough to completely hide the total column...


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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

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Hi Arjan,

On 25 September 2000 at 23:23:16 GMT +0200 (which was 22:23 where I
live) Arjan de Groot wrote and made these points on the subject
of "wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)":

AdG> However,  be  assured that in no way I intended to deceive, annoy
AdG> or insult TBUDL, its members and its moderators. When I posted my
AdG> "announcement"  I  truelly  expected  the  joke to be olbvious to
AdG> anyone  at  first  sight.  Well, in hindsight, I may halve made a
AdG> slight misjudgement...

Well  *I*  got  the  joke  and  thought  my  "Subscription request for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] rejected" posting would make the non-serious nature
of  your  posting  clear  without chiding too much for a (very amusing
IMHO) jest.

AdG> I sincerely hope you won't feel offended by my leg-pulling.

Well,  as  a  moderator  I  have  no  problem with humorous content in
postings.  I  don't  think  you  went too far but perhaps a (pst - I'm
joking)   disclaimer   would   have   been   appropriate   under   the
circumstances.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Arjan de Groot]

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 05:02:55 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:

>Though I appreciate Arjan's initiative, I don't think it's meant to
>take such discussions away from TBUDL. It's not OT, and I'm not sure
>RIT guys read TBOM. The bottom line is, I can't go set up, e.g.,
>TBFLT, and say all discussion about filters should go there instead
>of here. (I don't think Arjan means that, either.)

I'm sorry, Ming-Li. That "initiative" of mine was meant to be a joke.
It just was an example of my very own peculiar way of dealing with the
endlessly ongoing discussions on TBUDL about subjects like "The
Editor", "The Interface" and "The Other Ones"; subjects which, during
the relatively short period of my presence on this list, repeatedly
have been beaten to death and beyond, and still managed to
miraculously revive.

However, be assured that in no way I intended to deceive, annoy or
insult TBUDL, its members and its moderators. When I posted my
"announcement" I truelly expected the joke to be obvious to anyone at
first sight. Well, in hindsight, I may have made a slight
misjudgement...

I sincerely hope you won't feel offended by my leg-pulling.


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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Ming-Li,

On 25 September 2000 at 05:02:55 GMT -0700 (which was 13:02 where I
live) Ming-Li wrote and made these points on the subject
of "wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)":

>>   There is a dedicated list that has been set up specifically for
>>   that purpose.

Erm .. I don't think so.

ML> Though I appreciate Arjan's initiative, I don't think it's meant to
ML> take such discussions away from TBUDL.

I think he was jesting.



ML> Yes, TB is the best, TO ME. Yet people have different needs. TB
ML> isn't perfect, either, so there's room for improvement. Any
ML> information, suggestion, and discussion about it, therefore, should
ML> be welcome, IMO.

As moderator I have to insist that all forms of discussion about use
of and improvements to the operation of our beloved email client are
/absolutely/ the things we should be concerned with here. Nothing with
any sophistication lives in a vacuum. We need to see why people are
choosing to stay or not to stay with TB to understand what may or may
not be the shortcomings. I'm sure that I've seen more than one person
swayed by revelations of "yes, TB does that ... it's here" and come
back to TB.

The rules don't say "you can't say why you don't want to use TB".

Now, Allie has already shut down one branch on this topic. I'd like to
close the subject once and for all.

Moderator says: it's a valid topic. Debate closed.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Ming-Li]

On Monday, September 25, 2000, 1:06:42 AM, Oleg wrote:

>>> 3. The ability to zoom preview window to full window.
> Enter on the message?

In TB, this would open a new window (the folder view window, or how
is it called?). It's similar (if you turn off the message list pane
in that window, but I usually have it on), but not quite the same,
isn't it? :) Anyway, it's just a small thing.

A>> - information about the number of messages in a folder
A>> [Unread/Total]  appears in status bar therefore the folder list
A>> can be narrower,  compared to TB [ in absence of full width
A>> preview pane]; next to folder there is only information about
A>> the number of new messages.
> So I can see total message count only one for folder at a time? And no
> counters for subtree? I don't think I like this feature.

I'm sure about that, either. Sometimes I feel like knowing the
message count in the Folder View Window (where the account tree is
unavailable), so the status bar with message count on it would be
useful. OTOH, I sometimes like to have a glance at my folder tree
and see the distribution of messages, and I appreciate TB for giving
me that.

In most cases, however, I need only the new message count, and the
total message count is redundant. Unfortunately, the width of the
"Total" column can't be adjusted (can it?). I hence adjust the width
of my account tree pane so that only new message count can be shown,
and the "Total" column would be obscured. But then there's the "To"
on the column header (for "tal" is hidden); it's not pretty.

Again, just a tiny thing.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Ming-Li]

On Monday, September 25, 2000, 2:29:41 AM, Tony wrote:

> Like yourself stating your   reasons for using Becky, I was just
> stating my reasons why I   think they have no place on a Bat Users
> List.

And I'm not convinced. IMHO, information about competing products
should be welcome, especially about what they can do that TB can't,
because it's a good starting (or reference) point for how we want TB
improved.

I've left Eudora for years, I still check out Eudora newsgroup from
time to time, just to see what's happening over there. (Moodwatch?
Ehhh, no thanks.)

The focus of TBUDL, of course, would always be on TB (Do we want
this feature? Isn't it something we can do already in TB? ...etc.),
and I see no threat for TBUDL to loose this focus. No one is talking
about how to improve Becky, or Eudora, or whatever, isn't it?

>> Continuing the comparison

>   There is a dedicated list that has been set up specifically for
>   that purpose.

Though I appreciate Arjan's initiative, I don't think it's meant to
take such discussions away from TBUDL. It's not OT, and I'm not sure
RIT guys read TBOM. The bottom line is, I can't go set up, e.g.,
TBFLT, and say all discussion about filters should go there instead
of here. (I don't think Arjan means that, either.)

A>> 2. I am not trying to "convert" anybody. Why should I? It's a pure
A>> nonsense.

>   Maybe so but that's not the impression you gave me.

I didn't have such an impression, honestly.

A>> 3. I do not like this kind of defensive behaviour. We are not
A>> discussing any ideological matters here.

>   I'm sure nobody will blame me for defending TB!

Against whom, or what? Is (Was) TB in danger in anyway? :)

People try out TB (and others) everyday. Not everyone stays
eventually. Most leave without saying so. Today someone came out and
shared with us why he chose a competitor over TB, and I think that's
valuable information (though from my reply you could see I disagree
with him one most counts).

A>> 4. I am currently using both programs and trying to find the
A>> best one to suit my needs

>   That's an easy one to answer, TB! is by far the best one to
>   choose. You only had to ask :-)

I guess you would have to win people over by more than a statement
like that. :)

I also tried out a few email programs at the same time; many do. I
settled down on TB; not everyone does. I certainly couldn't say
they're making the wrong choice (they might, but I'm not in their
shoes).

Yes, TB is the best, TO ME. Yet people have different needs. TB
isn't perfect, either, so there's room for improvement. Any
information, suggestion, and discussion about it, therefore, should
be welcome, IMO.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Havivah D. Schwartz]

Hello Tony and TBUDL,

Monday, September 25, 2000, 05:25:37, Tony wrote:

ACM>> In all fairness Tony, I don't think we should make those who are
ACM>> not using TB! unwelcome here. There is no rule to say that you
ACM>> should be using TB! to be subscribed and I don't think there
ACM>> ever will or should be such a rule

TB>   While I agree in part with the above, my opinion is that this list by
TB>   the very definition of it's name is A*Bat*Users*Discussion*List. I feel
TB>   it's gradually being allowed to degenerate into a free for all, general
TB>   email list.

Well, as the person who changed the subject heading to "wishlist" and
asked which of Becky's specific features attracted those already
talking about it, perhaps I should jump in. My intention wasn't to
troll for a match between Becky & TB. But (IMO) any feature that would
tempt a Bat user away is just as appropriate for discussion about the
Bat's future development as any other Bat wish one might have.

TB>   I see no problem with any user saying "I've been using Microshafts
TB>   Outlook Depress and I could do this with it, how do I do that with TB".
TB>   When it's used as a descriptive comparison for a valid question.

And one could argue that discussing the competition's beta features
is, in a way, foreseeing just this sort of question -- imagine Becky
2.x users considering TB and coming to TBUDL saying "I can do X on
Becky, how do I do it on TB?"

TB>  I do think however that the line should be drawn at numerical
TB>  lists stating  why something is better than TB.

well, numerical lists do make for easy reading, and I don't think
anyone was trying to keep score. :)



TB>   Anyway, keep "The Bat Users Discussion List" for Bat users. Thats my
TB>   personal opinion, not worth much apparently but there you go.
  
Until there's an up-to-date manual, or even a thorough website
brochure, I don't think this position is tenable.  Without TBUDL,
potential users would be forced to download TB & devote a good bit of
time to it to get a glimmer of what it can do. Surely I'm not the only
one who read TBUDL before trying the program out?

If the discussion about Becky turns into a review of that program,
then yes, my vote would be to send it to TBOT; but as long as it is
discussed in relationship to TB, particularly with regard to specific
features that people want to see in TB, I think the comparison has a
place here.  Hence my original question :)



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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

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On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:29:41 +0100, Tony Boom wrote:

A>> Dear Mr. Boom!

TB> You can call me Tony, everyone else does. I have no intention of
TB> this becoming a personal issue. Like yourself stating your reasons
TB> for using Becky, I was just stating my reasons why I think they have
TB> no place on a Bat Users List.

A>> 1. I did not start this thread [TB versus Becky v.2]

TB> No, I fully appreciate that, but may I remind you of how you started
TB> you last posting.




A>> 5. Thank you, guys, for solidarity in oppression...

TB> I do think your going over the top a bit there. I had on intention
TB> to oppress, depress or insult anyone in any way. Just stating my
TB> opinion that a discussion about Becky should be taken to the Off
TB> Topic list.

 Ok, enough already. This is indeed degenerating into
bickering. Please, if you (whoever is involved or feel like getting
involved) must continue these arguments, do it off-list or on TBOT,
please. Thanks. 

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

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ACM>> :-) I hear your cry Tony but let's leave it a bit shall we?

TB> Well OK. but keep your eye on it won't you . You yourself know how
TB> much I like to try other email software but I never raise major
TB> debates about them on this list. I always use other outlets or very
TB> often personal correspondence for comparison purposes or to get
TB> others opinions.

TB> Anyway, keep "The Bat Users Discussion List" for Bat users. Thats my
TB> personal opinion, not worth much apparently but there you go.

Ah, come on Tony. You know that I value your opinion but I cannot simply
go along with what you think now can I? I have to consider the list
rules, my personal judgement on the situation and also what the other
members feel.

I do, however feel that you may have indirectly achieved your goal in
this instance because a thread-let has started here, which is becoming
unprogressive and to the point of bickering.

So as moderator, I declare this little side issue closed in the name or
peace  . an tranquility. :-)

This little thread-let may have soured the Becky vs TB! discussion so
though I have not put a stop to it, I'm sure that it will die a natural
death soon. :-)

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

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on Monday, September 25, 2000 00:25:25, our bat friend Karin Spaink typed:


>>   If, and that's a big IF... Becky is so good and that is your chosen
>>   e-mail client which you are quite obviously using, why are you
>>   subscribed to a mailing list primarily for users of The Bat e-mail
>>   client?

KS> I don't claim to speak for others, but some of us are (or
KS> very recently) were in need of making up their mind.
KS> That in itself is a good reason to discuss the comparative
KS> merits of one mailer to the other. Plus, through these
KS> discussions, I have seen people coming up with nice
KS> suggestions for TB. So all in all, I don;t mind them at all.

I must say that i agree there. I'm not sure i've made up my mind
completely as of yet. I've tried Becky, and i don't think it suits my
needs right now. The filters are imho not powerful enough and the
editor was a pain in the you-know-what to my screen reader, but it
also had features which i liked, for example the possibility to
turn Becky into a desent newsreader, but all in all TB is better, but it's
always good to hear what other email clients offer, so that you can
see for yourself what you want.




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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Tony,

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:52:06 +0100GMT (25/09/2000, 16:52 +0800GMT),
Tony Boom wrote:

Allow me.

TB>   Why should it be changed? I personally use this program because of the
TB>   way it *is*, not because of the way I want it to be.

The way it is, is probably better the rest of the proggies out there
(I am not ashamed to say that I have never used Becky, so I cannot
commet on that piece of software). This does not mean it is perfect.

Speaking of the interface, I would like TB even more if there was more
consistency in keyboard shortcuts, for example. It *is* good but it
*could* be better.

TB>   If I wanted it to be like any other email program I would use that
TB>   program, not this one.
  
TB is never going to be like any other email program, no chance. ;-)
I see no harm in comparison. In business, I also take a look now and
then at what my competitors are doing. It is called "keeping in touch
with the market".

What you feared was that someone might promote another email program
on this list to the extent that people converted. I don't see a chance
of that happening, really. :-)

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Tony Boom]

This message: 25/09/2000 08:26 GMT.

Hello Karin,


  A reminder of what Karin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  24 September 2000 at 00:25:25 GMT +0200

KS> Right now, I am explaining the merits of TB on
KS> comp.mail.eudora ms-windows. Would you rather have me
KS> abstain from doing that? ;-)

  No. you carry on. However I would fully expect those Eudora users to
  feel the same way about your actions on their list as I feel about the
  actions of Becky users on this list.

  When you fist came to this list you yourself was an avid Eudora user
  and appeared to be very aggressive towards The Bat. But, you've seen
  the error of your ways and realised that TB is far superior to anything
  else available :-)

  I do remember your first postings to be rather aggressively worded but
  AFAIR, they were mostly used in an attempt to gain insight into the
  merits of TB rather than an attempt to put it down or sing the praises
  of Eudora.
  
  If you feel the need to take TB to the masses, be my guest.
  
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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Tony Boom]

This message: 25/09/2000 09:48 GMT.

Hello Graham,


  A reminder of what Graham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  25 September 2000 at 07:31:15 GMT +0100

G> I only pointed out that Becky was a program to which
G> TB developers could cast a glance to see how TB interface could be
G> changed.

  Why should it be changed? I personally use this program because of the
  way it *is*, not because of the way I want it to be.

  If I wanted it to be like any other email program I would use that
  program, not this one.
  

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Tony Boom]

This message: 25/09/2000 09:25 GMT.

Hello Andrzej,


  A reminder of what Andrzej ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  25 September 2000 at 01:18:22 GMT +0200

A> Dear Mr. Boom!

  You can call me Tony, everyone else does. I have no intention of this
  becoming a personal issue. Like yourself stating your reasons for using
  Becky, I was just stating my reasons why I think they have no place on
  a Bat Users List.

A> 1. I did not start this thread [TB versus Becky v.2]

  No, I fully appreciate that, but may I remind you of how you started
  you last posting.

> Continuing the comparison
  
  There is a dedicated list that has been set up specifically for that
  purpose.

A> 2. I am not trying to "convert" anybody. Why should I? It's a pure
A> nonsense.

  Maybe so but that's not the impression you gave me.

A> 3. I do not like this kind of defensive behaviour. We are not
A> discussing any ideological matters here.

  I'm sure nobody will blame me for defending TB!

A> 4. I am currently using both programs and trying to find the best one to
A> suit my needs

  That's an easy one to answer, TB! is by far the best one to choose. You
  only had to ask :-)

A> 5. Thank you, guys, for solidarity in oppression...

  I do think your going over the top a bit there. I had on intention to
  oppress, depress or insult anyone in any way. Just stating my opinion
  that a discussion about Becky should be taken to the Off Topic list.

A> 6. Let's not get insane about the whole thing...

  Well it's not essential but it quite often helps if you are.

A> 7.Please read carefully.

A> Warm greetings from Warsaw,

  Read carefully, fully digested and understood and I extent the same to
  you.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Tony Boom]

This message: 25/09/2000 08:53 GMT.

Hello A,


  A reminder of what A ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  24 September 2000 at 17:58:45 GMT -0500

ACM> In all fairness Tony, I don't think we should make those who are not
ACM> using TB! unwelcome here. There is no rule to say that you should be
ACM> using TB! to be subscribed and I don't think there ever will or should
ACM> be such a rule

  While I agree in part with the above, my opinion is that this list by
  the very definition of it's name is A*Bat*Users*Discussion*List. I feel
  it's gradually being allowed to degenerate into a free for all, general
  email list.

  I see no problem with any user saying "I've been using Microshafts
  Outlook Depress and I could do this with it, how do I do that with TB".
  When it's used as a descriptive comparison for a valid question. I do
  think however that the line should be drawn at numerical lists stating
  why something is better than TB.


ACM> :-) I hear your cry Tony but let's leave it a bit shall we?

  Well OK. but keep your eye on it won't you . You yourself know how much
  I like to try other email software but I never raise major debates
  about them on this list. I always use other outlets or very often
  personal correspondence for comparison purposes or to get others
  opinions.

  Anyway, keep "The Bat Users Discussion List" for Bat users. Thats my
  personal opinion, not worth much apparently but there you go.
  

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Gary]

Hi A,

On Sunday, September 24, 2000, 5:58 PM, you wrote in part about "wishlist (was Re: 
Main Window in Bat!)":

A> In all fairness Tony, I don't think we should make those who are not
A> using TB! unwelcome here. There is no rule to say that you should be
A> using TB! to be subscribed and I don't think there ever will or should
A> be such a rule.

Heck, half the time I say something on this list, it is from Mutt, or
EXMH, or 4 other MUAs when I am in *nux. 

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

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On 25 September 2000 at 01:18:22 GMT +0200 (which was 00:18 where I
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of "wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)":

A> 5. Thank you, guys, for solidarity in oppression...

The majority welcomes this debate and supports your right to have it
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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

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Hi Tony,

On 24 September 2000 at 23:05:54 GMT +0100 (which was 23:05 where I
live) Tony Boom wrote and made these points on the subject
of "wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)":

TB> Can I, as a subscriber to a discussion list about The Bat e-mail
TB> client, call upon the odd moderator or two, to ask that the
TB> Bat/Becky comparison be moved onto TBOT or whatever the new Bat
TB> versus other e-mail clients list is please.

I should give you the courtesy of a reply.

TB> If I want to know how good Becky or Eudora or calypso is, I would
TB> subscribe to the relevant list.

While I sympathize with your position I agree with Karin's summation
that it is good for the growth of TB as a product that features from
competing software should be discussed in this forum.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Andrzej]

Dear Mr. Boom!

1. I did not start this thread [TB versus Becky v.2]

2. I am not trying to "convert" anybody. Why should I? It's a pure
nonsense.

3. I do not like this kind of defensive behaviour. We are not
discussing any ideological matters here. 

4. I am currently using both programs and trying to find the best one to
suit my needs

5. Thank you, guys, for solidarity in oppression...

6. Let's not get insane about the whole thing...

7.Please read carefully.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

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On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:05:54 +0100, Tony Boom wrote:

TB> If, and that's a big IF... Becky is so good and that is your chosen
TB> e-mail client which you are quite obviously using, why are you
TB> subscribed to a mailing list primarily for users of The Bat e-mail
TB> client?

In all fairness Tony, I don't think we should make those who are not
using TB! unwelcome here. There is no rule to say that you should be
using TB! to be subscribed and I don't think there ever will or should
be such a rule.

TB> You have absolutely no chance of converting a Bat user over to
TB> Becky. We've all been there, we've all done that and the only "T"
TB> shirt we wanted to buy had The Bat! written all over it.

:-) I know what you're trying to say but we should look at these sort of
posts in a more positive light. I wouldn't say that he's trying to
convert anyone but is instead sharing with us what he thinks are good
Becky features. Now I know the 'software salespeople' types do exist and
tend to invade other lists to further their agendas but I don't think
Andrej has earned such suspicion.

TB>   Yes, Becky is good... But it 'aint good enough.

I tried it myself and don't think so either.

TB> Can I, as a subscriber to a discussion list about The Bat e-mail
TB> client, call upon the odd moderator or two, to ask that the
TB> Bat/Becky comparison be moved onto TBOT or whatever the new Bat
TB> versus other e-mail clients list is please.

I've been reading the thread and am expecting that it will die a natural
death. :-) I haven't felt the urge to intervene because it's not yet
become circular and others seem to be interested, especially since there
are a lot of subscribers at present who are in a state of flux with
their decision making on which client to settle on. A comparison with
other clients may therefore be beneficial.

TB> If I want to know how good Becky or Eudora or calypso is, I would
TB> subscribe to the relevant list.

:-) I hear your cry Tony but let's leave it a bit shall we?

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

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On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:05:54 +0100, Tony Boom wrote:

>Can I, as a subscriber to a discussion list about The Bat e-mail
>client, call upon the odd moderator or two, to ask that the Bat/Becky
>comparison be moved onto TBOT or whatever the new Bat versus other
>e-mail clients list is please.

TBOM!


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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Karin Spaink]

On 25-09-2000 at 00:05, Tony Boom kindly wrote:
>   Andrzej ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

A>> Hi! There  are other minor nice implementations in the interface of
A>> Becky that I like:

>   If, and that's a big IF... Becky is so good and that is your chosen
>   e-mail client which you are quite obviously using, why are you
>   subscribed to a mailing list primarily for users of The Bat e-mail
>   client?

I don't claim to speak for others, but some of us are (or
very recently) were in need of making up their mind.
That in itself is a good reason to discuss the comparative
merits of one mailer to the other. Plus, through these
discussions, I have seen people coming up with nice
suggestions for TB. So all in all, I don;t mind them at all.

>   You have absolutely no chance of converting a Bat user over to Becky.

He's not trying to, is he?

>   If I want to know how good Becky or Eudora or calypso is, I would
>   subscribe to the relevant list.
  
Right now, I am explaining the merits of TB on
comp.mail.eudora ms-windows. Would you rather have me
abstain from doing that? ;-)



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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Tony Boom]

This message: 24/09/2000 22:51 GMT.

Hello Andrzej,


  A reminder of what Andrzej ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  24 September 2000 at 23:14:19 GMT +0200

A> Hi! There  are other minor nice implementations in the interface of
A> Becky that I like:

  If, and that's a big IF... Becky is so good and that is your chosen
  e-mail client which you are quite obviously using, why are you
  subscribed to a mailing list primarily for users of The Bat e-mail
  client?

  You have absolutely no chance of converting a Bat user over to Becky.
  We've all been there, we've all done that and the only "T" shirt we
  wanted to buy had The Bat! written all over it.

  Yes, Becky is good... But it 'aint good enough.

  Can I, as a subscriber to a discussion list about The Bat e-mail
  client, call upon the odd moderator or two, to ask that the Bat/Becky
  comparison be moved onto TBOT or whatever the new Bat versus other
  e-mail clients list is please.

  If I want to know how good Becky or Eudora or calypso is, I would
  subscribe to the relevant list.
  

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Andrzej]

 Thank you, Ming-Li!


Continuing the comparison
 
> That being said, there're a few other Becky's features I like (in no
> particular order):
> 
> 1. Current account on top: well, it's a little hard to explain
> unless you try it. Simply speaking, Becky can (optionally)
> automatically move the account you click on to the top of the
> account tree, expand it (I forgot it's only to the first level or
> all the folders). Other accounts would be collapsed at the bottom.
> 
> 2. The ability to hide some accounts (or folders, or both, I'm not
> sure): by hiding less used (e.g., archive) accounts/folders the
> account tree can be much neater.
> 
> 3. The ability to zoom preview window to full window.
> 
> 4. A threading utility: for you to fix (break, or link, or reorder)
> a thread manually.
> 
> 5. Multi personality (profiles) for one account: so you can collect
> mail from several servers within one account (hence one set of
> filters), and you can choose from several identities when writing
> mail. Nothing we can't accomplish in TB, but in much simpler way.
> 
> 6. Backup log: you may ask Becky to keep nn days' mail in backup
> log, which can later be imported into the program if needed. Again,
> nothing can't be achieved (at least to similar effect) in TB, but
> simpler.


Hi! There  are other minor nice implementations in the interface of
Becky that I like: 

- information about the number of messages in a folder [Unread/Total]
 appears in status bar therefore the folder list can be narrower,
 compared to TB [ in absence of full width preview pane]; next to folder
there is only information about the number of new messages.

- download progress is also in the status bar, showing you details about
message being currently downloaded . Personally I don't  like those
progress windows in TB.  They are a little annoying to my taste... I
always minimize them.

- problem of showing attachments, [ has been discussed some time ago]
 is solved very well,

- well, drag and drop in the editor...

- the equivalent of mail dispatcher [ Remote MAilbox] is quite clever
 too...


Filters are definitely not as powerfu as in TB, but sufficient for basic
needs, also giving possibility of colouring messages

 Krister Ekstrom asked me what is use of Direct Edit

I think that it can be very useful giving the possibility of changing
quickly the subject of the message or cutting out the unimportant or
unnecessary part. Sometime it is vital to be able to adjust a date , especially
when you forward messages from an other program or account and the
dates are fake... With Direct Edit  - no problem. :-)

Talking about the somehow hidden power of TB and his Sorting Office, the
possibilities of Templates and macros. I would suggest to  you guys, [especially
after reading in several postings about a will to help RITLabs and wish to
support the development of TB] to write a good Manual that can be
distributed via the Net as .pdf  or .txt. We all know that the Help file
is not the strongest point of TB and I suppose that writing a good
manual, explaining the use of most advanced features of the program,
written by experts, would be an enormous contribution and a "big thing" to
all new users. I see there are many very knowledgable people  out there.
And I think that you should unite and do, what many people do for
Pegasus - since many years

Many greetings!
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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Ming-Li]

On Saturday, September 23, 2000, 8:49:41 PM, Mark wrote:

> Nice list of the features you like.  After reading all of the
> posts about Becky, I downloaded version 2 beta 28, and here's what
> I didn't like.  I didn't take too much time to play with it, but
> the following features either weren't there or weren't obvious:

> 1. No mail ticker

That's true, yet it's one of few TB's features that I don't use. :)

> 2. No message dispatcher

To be fair to Becky, Becky v2 does provide dispatcher, if my memory
serves me right.

> 3. The interface reminded me way too much of Eudora  :-)

Ehhh, not to me.

> It does support proportional fonts, but I noticed that the default
> setup is to use fixed fonts.  :)

I don't remember this, but I think it's something any responsible
email program should do. It's the safest font type for first time
email users. Those who are sophisticated enough to know the
difference about the two fonts, and know how to use proportional
fonts responsibly should be able to find how to change fonts.

> I'm intrigued about the plug-in newsreader support; that sounds
> great!

It depends on your expectation for the newsreader.

> I am another long-time Agent user,

then I would guess you're hard to please in this regard by any
plug-in. :)

> and I would love to see TB! offer plug-in newsreader support in
> the future.

Me too, me too. (Strongly agree about the plug-in part, agree with
reservation about the newsreader part.)

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

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CT>> includes all the original text. Can This be acheived in TB?

MDP> Just did it here. F4 is the keystroke to reply quoting only
MDP> selected text.

 or hold down  while hitting the reply button.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

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CT> when I hit the reply button the only included text is that which
CT> was highlighted. Simply hitting reply without highlighting
CT> includes all the original text. Can This be acheived in TB?

Just did it here. F4 is the keystroke to reply quoting only selected
text.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Mark Worsham]

Hi Andrzej -

Saturday, September 23, 2000, 5:18:59 PM, you wrote:

Andrzej> Hi All! As you will recall I posted only once to the list, but I am
Andrzej> watching and learning a lot from you, guys. As for today, I am about to
Andrzej> change over to Becky, although I like and appreciate TB very much. The
Andrzej> reasons and ... answers are:

Andrzej> 1. Direct Edit Mode [!!!]
Andrzej> 2.Eexternal editor of your choice [}
Andrzej> 3. Proportional fonts. [???!!]
Andrzej> 4. Better interface [more practical icons] [!!!]

Nice list of the features you like.  After reading all of the posts about Becky,
I downloaded version 2 beta 28, and here's what I didn't like.  I didn't take
too much time to play with it, but the following features either weren't there
or weren't obvious:

1. No mail ticker
2. No message dispatcher
3. The interface reminded me way too much of Eudora  :-)

I use the mail ticker and dispatcher a lot, and don't want to do without the
equivalents.  I didn't list supports for templates, because I didn't dig deep
enough to find out how good Becky's support is in that area.

It does support proportional fonts, but I noticed that the default setup is to
use fixed fonts.  :)

Liking or disliking the interface is completely up to each user to decide, but
Becky's interface just didn't do a thing for me.  While TB!'s inteface isn't
perfect, there isn't another quite like it, which to me, means it has character.

I'm intrigued about the plug-in newsreader support; that sounds great!  I am
another long-time Agent user, and I would love to see TB! offer plug-in
newsreader support in the future.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Ming-Li]

On Saturday, September 23, 2000, 3:18:59 PM, Andrzej wrote:

>> ML> I tried out Becky v2 betas (up until beta 20) and TB at the same
>> ML> time, when I was looking for a new email program. I have to say
>> ML> Becky also impressed me and had some features I like that TB
>> ML> didn't (and doesn't) supply.

>> If you don't mind my asking, what features?

Many, and Andrzej has listed one of them.

> Hi All! As you will recall I posted only once to the list, but I
> am watching and learning a lot from you, guys. As for today, I am
> about to change over to Becky, although I like and appreciate TB
> very much. The reasons and ... answers are:

Well, then please keep us updated about the development over there,
or please keep me updated if you're going to unsubscribe TBUDL.

> 1. Direct Edit Mode [!!!]

Yup, this is one of the features I missed most.

> 2.Eexternal editor of your choice [}

While it's a nice feature to have, and probably high on many TB
users' wish list, I personally are quite content with TB's editor.
For me, the ability to reflow quoted paragraphs while retaining the
quotation marks is something I can't live without after switching to
TB.

TB also provides the convenience of opening several editing windows
at the same time, something I couldn't do in Becky.

> 3. Proportional fonts. [???!!]

Well, it's another feature I personally don't have much use. The
only moment I would like to have proportional fonts is when the
message (preview) pane isn't large enough to hold a line so the
message is wrapped in a staggering way (one long line alternating
with a short one).

In Becky, it's a necessity for me, for it didn't provide something
similar to TB's "Full-width preview pane" view, only "Full-height
account tree". As a result, the preview pane was always too narrow
on my screen. To my dismay, however, using proportional fonts didn't
solved the problem, for Becky still used fixed-width font algorithm
to calculate wrapping in the preview pane. So I got a shorter line
alright (with, say, Arial font), but the message was still wrapped
in a staggering way, leaving plenty of empty space at the right
side.  I hope they have solved this by now.

As a side note, I don't like the gray "<" marks at the right hand
side indicating wrapped lines in Becky, either.

> 4. Better interface [more practical icons] [!!!]

I would say it's something highly related to personal taste and
habits. Personally I like TB's interface much better. Becky's
interface, to me, is one of the inferior among many email programs.

>From the points you raise, it's easy to see why you prefer Becky
while I like TB more. :)

That being said, there're a few other Becky's features I like (in no
particular order):

1. Current account on top: well, it's a little hard to explain
unless you try it. Simply speaking, Becky can (optionally)
automatically move the account you click on to the top of the
account tree, expand it (I forgot it's only to the first level or
all the folders). Other accounts would be collapsed at the bottom.

2. The ability to hide some accounts (or folders, or both, I'm not
sure): by hiding less used (e.g., archive) accounts/folders the
account tree can be much neater.

3. The ability to zoom preview window to full window.

4. A threading utility: for you to fix (break, or link, or reorder)
a thread manually.

5. Multi personality (profiles) for one account: so you can collect
mail from several servers within one account (hence one set of
filters), and you can choose from several identities when writing
mail. Nothing we can't accomplish in TB, but in much simpler way.

6. Backup log: you may ask Becky to keep nn days' mail in backup
log, which can later be imported into the program if needed. Again,
nothing can't be achieved (at least to similar effect) in TB, but
simpler.

7. Sliced message base: Becky divides the message base of a folder
into several files of the same size (default: 640KB). The benefits?
For one, it's generally faster when a folder is very large (with
thousands of messages), because one generally needs to access the
most recent messages only, which are in the newest chunk. It saves
some memory for it doesn't need to load the whole message base into
the memory. Third, and most important to me, it makes incremental
backup very easy and efficient (a daily incremental backup would
archive the newest chunk only for others are already in the backup
set).

8. Plug-ins.

8. Near perfect DBCS (for CJK languages) support: I know, it's not
fair, for Becky's author is a Japanese. :) But it's important to me.

That's what I could think of for now.

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Andrzej]

In response to0 > Hi Ming-Li,
> 
> Saturday, September 23, 2000, 10:45:33, you wrote:
> 
> ML> I tried out Becky v2 betas (up until beta 20) and TB at the same
> ML> time, when I was looking for a new email program. I have to say
> ML> Becky also impressed me and had some features I like that TB
> ML> didn't (and doesn't) supply.
> 
> If you don't mind my asking, what features?
 
Hi All! As you will recall I posted only once to the list, but I am
watching and learning a lot from you, guys. As for today, I am about to
change over to Becky, although I like and appreciate TB very much. The
reasons and ... answers are:

1. Direct Edit Mode [!!!]
2.Eexternal editor of your choice [}
3. Proportional fonts. [???!!]
4. Better interface [more practical icons] [!!!]

Well, I do not receive hundreds of messages every day [TBUDL is
improving my statistics recently,  and I don't need many functions
reserved for 'power users', That's why..

Many greetings to all of you!

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Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)

[Karin Spaink]

On 23-09-2000 at 21:48, Havivah D. Schwartz kindly wrote:
> Saturday, September 23, 2000, 10:45:33, Ming-Li wrote:

ML>> I tried out Becky v2 betas (up until beta 20) and TB at the same
ML>> time, when I was looking for a new email program. I have to say
ML>> Becky also impressed me and had some features I like that TB
ML>> didn't (and doesn't) supply.

> If you don't mind my asking, what features? One feature I saw
> elsewhere (don't remember where) was automatic backup; that seems
> rather nice.  Though I wouldn't be surprised to learn that TB could be
> programmed to do the same thing.

I use a rather simple back-up procedure that both backs up
daily mail, written articles etc to another drive and
encrypts it, using arj.exe. Combining that with a scheduler
(which is available in most Win platforms or using LaunchPad
or something), all changes to my private data residing on my
PGP-disk will be encrypted to another disk every morning at
07.00 am. Perhaps that's an option for you too?


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