Re[2]: Signatures on mailing lists (was: TB won't open a message)

2002-03-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hi Dierk,

 I missed it, I joined this list about a month ago.
 Luckily the archives are quite good. ;-)

Yes, I know they quite good. But I don't have the time now.

 More or less the same as signing an ordinary letter or contract.

Understand. I can understand that to sign a contract you need to proof
the you are you with an ID card, or a passport or something. But do
you show your passport every time you write a note to a friend? ;-)

 Sometimes Me, too messages are needed especially on software
 related lists, e.g. to identify bugs.

Of course. I am not questioning the Me too messages, or its need, I
used that as an example of short messages.

 - First you get the RFC-822 headers.
 1. We can't do anything against them.

Right. But they do add to the footprint of the message, don't they?
That's my point.

 I like the (various) intros in messages, although I use the pure,
 short, informational one only.

I don't mind the intros themselves. Although I hardly really pay
attention to any of them, some of them are funny. But they do add to
the foot print also, don't they?

 What about my use of snipped quoting?

That's the way I think we all should do it.

 BTW, threading doesn't come in here, I usually delete a message I've
 read unless it is very important to me and I don't have any other
 meaningful way of storing it but TB!'s message base.

You should keep messages for a couple of weeks or so. You may not be
interested in at first, but become interested as the _thread_ grows a
couple of days afterwards. The you could easily follow the thread
without having to go to the list archives.

 Wrong. Communication is about much more than pure information.

Yes, in a chat, or a general purpose forum, or at a bar while drinking
a couple of beers.

 I like those cookies by others, it tells me a lot about their
 state of mind.

Aren't most cookies just automatically and randomly inserted at the
end of the message?

 Then comes the PGP signature, some times rather long, so I will
 know that it was you who wrote Me too! and that you did write Me
 too!. Correct?
 
 Yes.

Great. I got it then. I may not need as much reading as I thought. ;-)

 Don't you think you are beginning to go overboard with a real point
 you might have?

My point, in case I didn't make it clear, is that everything in a
message adds up to it's final footprint and not just secure
signatures. And that all redundant and/or unnecessary information
is, from my point of view, a waste. That is why I used the Me too
as an example of how a very short message may end up with an
un-proportional footprint, specially if you multiply it by the number
of subscribers to this list.

 see, that's why it sometimes is a good thing to Me-too.

I never said they weren't. See paragraph above.

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Re: Re[2]: Signatures on mailing lists (was: TB won't open a message)

2002-03-02 Thread Syafril Hermansyah

On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:47:20 +0100
Miguel A. Urech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I like the (various) intros in messages, although I use the pure,
  short, informational one only.
 
 I don't mind the intros themselves. Although I hardly really pay
 attention to any of them, some of them are funny. But they do add to
 the foot print also, don't they?

More foot print means what ?

Which the power of TB! to autodelete signature when reply, long
signature will no problem. Or use selective reply, so even replying
messags without uncorrect signature separator or very long greetings no
problem for me.

If you're talking about message size that affect time to download msg from POP3 
(concern of people who use Dial Up which pay by minute), this list already restrict 
the size so that big size message will not allow post to the list.

If you are talking about bandwith waste, I think it is me concern about that, that's 
why this list restrict message size.

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Re[2]: Signatures on mailing lists (was: TB won't open a message)

2002-03-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Pete,

 Personal mails, of course, are a totally different thing.

Forgot to say that I agree with this. Same as with business or company
email.

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