Re: Re[3]: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

[Graham]

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>On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 09:05:54 +0100 GMT your local time,
>which was 01.10.2000, 10:05 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:
>
>TF>> Can you point me to the URL? Is ZoneAlarm free, or how much
does it
>TF>> cost? I understand it's still being developed?
>
>> Yes, Zone Alarm is totally free.  The URL for this is:
>
>> http://www.zonelabs.com
>
>> There are two versions (ZoneAlarm and ZoneAlarm Pro, which you
>> have to pay for and adds some enhancements).  I am happy with the
>> free version.
>
>I totally agree with Graham: Zonealarm works perfectly and I never
had any
>problems with any program. Nevertheless you should be informed that
Zonealarm
>uses true vector technology which might be dangerous as some say in
various
>newsgroups (comp.security.firewall.something-I-can't-remember;
software might
>transmit data from your computer to zonelabs). As many others in
that
>newsgroup I can't confirm this (Zonealarm never phoned home ) and
IMHO there
>is always a possibility to abuse technology; but this does not
necessarily
>mean that Zonelabs does use its technology for espionage.

I understand from Steve Gibson (who wrote Optout and is one of the
gurus in the "spyware" area) that Zonelabs have part of the true
vector technology in Zone Alarm, but it DOES NOT "phone home".  In
fact, Steve actually RECOMMENDS Zone Alarm on his website
www.grc.com.  I have Ad-Aware on my system from www.lavasoft.de for
some time; this has taken over the mantle from OptOut at detecting
"spyware" and it specifically looks for keys from true vector
programs.  Ad-aware has never found spyware in Zone Alarm.  That's
good enough for me.

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Re: OT: Program - Programme [WAS: Re[2]: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication]

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Marck,

On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:49:07 +0100 GMT (01/10/2000, 20:49 +0800 GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

GE>> In fact your mail means, both is used for the same things (other
GE>> than Marck said ? He is British, isn't he) but in two different
GE>> countries !

MDP> English  *and*  a computer programmer with formal computing education.
MDP> Trust me !

I trust you Marck, and so I looked it up. The course material which I
receive from The Open University in England (www.open.ac.uk) uses both
spellings; I believe it depends on the particular author. A Laurie
Keller (she wrote the Course Units for MZX881: Architecture of
Computing Systems, which I am about to finish) uses "programme". Roger
Pressman, Ph.D. and of M880 course book fame, uses the spelling
"program". But then, he is American.

The different spelling in the US and the UK was created by a guy named
Abraham Lincoln. He wanted to simplify the spelling and created
confusion instead. Some examples of his rules are: Words ending on
-gramme were changed to end on -gram. Words ending on -logue were
changed to end on -log (dialog/dialogue). And so on; silent endings
were just cut off. Some of his further suggestions, such as night/nite
or light/lite didn't quite catch on; you'll find it in ads sometimes,
as in "Cola Lite". - Funny thing is, Canada (the anglophone part)
writes British and speaks American English.

My degree in English doesn't make me British, so, Marck, you'll have
the last word on this. It is just that I have come across this
particular word "program/programme" in a computing context quite often
these past months. ;-)

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Re: OT: Program - Programme [WAS: Re[2]: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication]

[Tony Boom]

This message: 01/10/2000 13:24 GMT.

Hello Gerd,


  A reminder of what Gerd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  01 October 2000 at 13:44:36 GMT +0200

>> "Programme": Proper (British) English. I make it a point in my
GE>
GE>Ooops ? I won't argue with this; I only learned English at
GE>school; my relatives speak English and our friends do speak
GE>something different in West Yorkshire and Scotland (Glasgow),
GE>but this is supposed to be English ;-)


  I was going to comment on this point as well.

  As any native speaking Englishman will tell you, especially if they
  come from the south, it's easier to understand Navajo Indian than it is
  a Scotsman.

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Re: Re[2] Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

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On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 05:49:05 -0700, ClueBusDriver wrote:

C> There's another free one called Zonealarm. I used it for awhile and
C> it was ok until I installed an SP on my win2k machine. The
C> Zonealarm/Service Pack1 combo were incompatable and cost me several
C> hours of work resolving an inbound packet issue.

There's a patch available for download at Zonelabs which fixes the Win2k
SP1 problem. Interestingly, not only does it fix the SP1 problem, but it
also fixes the problem that existed with TB! when ZoneAlarm was run
with high security settings where one had to be restarting TB! for each
server connection attempt.

ZoneAlarm Pro which was released after Win2k's SP1 does not have a
problem with Win2k with SP1 installed and it also works perfectly with
TB!.

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Re: OT: Program - Programme [WAS: Re[2]: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication]

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Hi Gerd,

On 01 October 2000 at 13:44:36 GMT +0200 (which was 12:44 where I
live) Gerd Ewald wrote and made these points on the subject
of "OT: Program - Programme [WAS: Re[2]: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication]":

GE> In fact your mail means, both is used for the same things (other
GE> than Marck said ? He is British, isn't he) but in two different
GE> countries !

English  *and*  a computer programmer with formal computing education.
Trust me !

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Re[2] Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

[ClueBusDriver]

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, October 01, 2000, 1:16:26 AM, you wrote:

TF> Hallo ClueBusDriver,

TF> On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:02:40 -0700 GMT (01/10/2000, 04:52 +0800 GMT),
TF> ClueBusDriver wrote:

C>> What firewall software are you using? I have Sybergen's ( it's now
C>> free for personal use) and TB can't get through it. I give it
C>> authorization though..

TF> I use AtGuard, but since it is not being further developed anymore, I
TF> would be interested in looking into Sybergen. Do you have a URL? Is it
TF> still being developed?

You can find it at www.sybergen.com . Just follow the links around for
"Sygate Personal Firewall," and you'll get to the D/L page. They used
to sell it for $40 I believe, then, they started giving it away to
individuals.

There's another free one called Zonealarm. I used it for awhile and it
was ok until I installed an SP on my win2k machine. The
Zonealarm/Service Pack1 combo were incompatable and cost me several
hours of work resolving an inbound packet issue.

One footnote from our local Cable Internet group:

/paste on/

If you are running Windows 98 1st edition:

Before even trying to configure the Sygate Personal Firewall (
http://www.sybergen.com ), save yourself a major headache and check for the
following:

IPHLAPI.DLL version 5.00.1952.1

If your copy of this file on your HD is the above version, the file MUST be
updated to a newer version before the Firewall will protect your system.  I
spent over 3 hours trying to figure out why the Sygate website was reporting
my system as being open on ports 139 (NetBios) and port 8 (ping) before I
read a FAQ at their website concerning this file.

/paste off/

Good luck!



C>> I'm a first-time poster to this list...we'll see if it goes.

TF> Welcome then. :-)




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OT: Program - Programme [WAS: Re[2]: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication]

[Gerd Ewald]

Hello Thomas Fernandez !


On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:10:11 +0800 GMT your local time,
which was 01.10.2000, 13:10 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

[...]

> "Programme": Proper (British) English. I make it a point in my
   
   Ooops ? I won't argue with this; I only learned English at
   school; my relatives speak English and our friends do speak
   something different in West Yorkshire and Scotland (Glasgow),
   but this is supposed to be English ;-)

> university essays to write about "computer programmes", and they
> cannot mark it even as a spelling mistake, because I use British
> English throughout. ;-)

Hihi ! LOL

[...]

In fact your mail means, both is used for the same things (other than Marck
said ? He is British, isn't he) but in two different countries !

Ok, point taken ! Learned something new !

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Re: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Gerd,

and also Graham and Ceejay: thanks a lot for all this info. I will
check all this out and let you know if I have further questions, or
made a decision.

On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:57:10 +0200 GMT (01/10/2000, 17:57 +0800 GMT),
Gerd Ewald wrote:

GE> (OT: when do you english-speaking people use "program" and when
GE> "programme" ??)

"Program": American English. Commmonly used in Computer English, too.
In some programming languages (Pascal springs to mind), even a keyword.

"Programme": Proper (British) English. I make it a point in my
university essays to write about "computer programmes", and they
cannot mark it even as a spelling mistake, because I use British
English throughout. ;-)

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Re[2]: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

[Gerd Ewald]

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Hello Marck D. Pearlstone !


On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:15:03 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 01.10.2000, 12:15 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

GE>> OT:  when  do  you  english-speaking people use "program" and when
GE>> "programme" ??

> When  I write or use a computer program or when I watch a TV programme
> or "get with the programme".

Aaahhh ! Thanks Marck ! German seems to be a bit simple minded then: we use the
same word for both; well, at least one can't make a mistake in spelling the
word ;-)

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Re: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Gerd,

On 01 October 2000 at 11:57:10 GMT +0200 (which was 10:57 where I
live) Gerd Ewald wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication":

GE> OT:  when  do  you  english-speaking people use "program" and when
GE> "programme" ??

When  I write or use a computer program or when I watch a TV programme
or "get with the programme".

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Re[3]: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

[Gerd Ewald]

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Hello Graham !


On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 09:05:54 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 01.10.2000, 10:05 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

TF>> Can you point me to the URL? Is ZoneAlarm free, or how much does it
TF>> cost? I understand it's still being developed?

> Yes, Zone Alarm is totally free.  The URL for this is:

> http://www.zonelabs.com

> There are two versions (ZoneAlarm and ZoneAlarm Pro, which you
> have to pay for and adds some enhancements).  I am happy with the
> free version.

I totally agree with Graham: Zonealarm works perfectly and I never had any
problems with any program. Nevertheless you should be informed that Zonealarm
uses true vector technology which might be dangerous as some say in various
newsgroups (comp.security.firewall.something-I-can't-remember; software might
transmit data from your computer to zonelabs). As many others in that
newsgroup I can't confirm this (Zonealarm never phoned home ) and IMHO there
is always a possibility to abuse technology; but this does not necessarily
mean that Zonelabs does use its technology for espionage.

Another info: you might have a blue screen of death telling you some problems
with VSMON32.DLL (not sure about the proper name). If so, delete Zonelabs from
autostart-group and start it manually when necessary. The error happens AFAICS
when Zonealarm and some anti-virus programs are started in auto-start (OT: when
do you english-speaking people use "program" and when "programme" ??)


> ZoneLog Alalyser is a separate program and can be obtained from:

> http://zonelog.co.uk

> Its still in Beta testing, but very stable and very interesting.
> It also is free.

Wow, Graham thanks for that URL. I wasn't active in firewall-NG for some time,
so this might explain why I didn't know about this tool. This is really great
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Re[2]: Inbound TCP Communication

[Charlie Turner (ceejay)]

Hello Thomas

On 01 October 2000, at 06:13, you wrote

TF> Hallo Charlie,

TF> On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:38:39 +0100 GMT (01/10/2000, 04:38 +0800 GMT),
TF> Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote:

CTc>> Ok, here's something else to think about. My firewall is set up to ask
CTc>> for permission when any new installation attempts to communicate for
CTc>> the first time. Every program I've installed since setting up the
CTc>> firewall has fired this rule and asked for permission, that is all
CTc>> except oneTB!

CTc>> 
TF>  LOL

TF> I don't have this problem, because the app doesn't need to ask for
TF> permission. If any tries anything, and it is not explicitely permitted
TF> in the over 100 rules that I have set up for the firewall, I will be
TF> asked. Otherwise, if a firewall depended on the app to actively report
TF> there actions to the firewall, it would be conveniently easy to write
TF> an app to bypass the firewall and cause damage or disclose
TF> confidential information, if you are so inclined.

TF> I guess somewhere in the myriad of rules there is one that permits
TF> "any application" to make a POP connection and an SMTP connection. I
TF> had to permit these for TB in the beginning.

Some URL's re security that I've found useful. They may be of interest to
your good self and others in the list:
www.aks.com/esafe/enterprise/sandbox.asp
http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=1565921240
http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=1565924258
http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1999-02.html
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Ie/security/default.asp
http://www.eeye.com/database/advisories/ad06081999/ad06081999.html
http://www.securityfocus.com/

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Re[2]: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:16:04 +0800
Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

TF> Can you point me to the URL? Is ZoneAlarm free, or how much does it
TF> cost? I understand it's still being developed?

Yes, Zone Alarm is totally free.  The URL for this is:

http://www.zonelabs.com

There are two versions (ZoneAlarm and ZoneAlarm Pro, which you
have to pay for and adds some enhancements).  I am happy with the
free version.

ZoneLog Alalyser is a separate program and can be obtained from:

http://zonelog.co.uk

Its still in Beta testing, but very stable and very interesting. 
It also is free.


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Re: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Graham,

On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:31:05 +0100 GMT (01/10/2000, 06:31 +0800 GMT),
Graham wrote:

C>> What firewall software are you using? I have Sybergen's ( it's now
C>> free for personal use) and TB can't get through it. I give it
C>> authorization though..
C>> 
G> I'm using ZoneAlarm with the ZoneLog Analyser.  The Bat.exe does
G> not get through that and incoming transmissions are picked up,
G> stopped, and analysed.   I allow The Bat outgoing access without
G> server permissions.  It works fine.

Can you point me to the URL? Is ZoneAlarm free, or how much does it
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Re: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo ClueBusDriver,

On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:02:40 -0700 GMT (01/10/2000, 04:52 +0800 GMT),
ClueBusDriver wrote:

C> What firewall software are you using? I have Sybergen's ( it's now
C> free for personal use) and TB can't get through it. I give it
C> authorization though..

I use AtGuard, but since it is not being further developed anymore, I
would be interested in looking into Sybergen. Do you have a URL? Is it
still being developed?

C> I'm a first-time poster to this list...we'll see if it goes.

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Re: Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

[Graham]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:52:44 -0400
ClueBusDriver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


C> What firewall software are you using? I have Sybergen's ( it's now
C> free for personal use) and TB can't get through it. I give it
C> authorization though..
C> 
I'm using ZoneAlarm with the ZoneLog Analyser.  The Bat.exe does
not get through that and incoming transmissions are picked up,
stopped, and analysed.   I allow The Bat outgoing access without
server permissions.  It works fine.

Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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Re[2] Inbound TCP Communication

[ClueBusDriver]

Hello Charlie,

Saturday, September 30, 2000, 4:38:39 PM, you wrote:

CTc> Hello Thomas

CTc> On 30 September 2000, at 19:03, you wrote

TF>> Hello TBUDL!

TF>> My firewall just told me that the "Application: THEBAT.EXE attempted
TF>> an Inbound TCP Communication". Local Service: nbsession (139). Remote
TF>> adress: 163.31.23.191.

TF>> The remote address belongs to a university in Taiwan, and there are
TF>> kids who try go get into my computer all the time. However, I am
TF>> surprised that this time, the attempt seems to have been initiated by
TF>> TB. This is new. How come?

CTc> Ok, here's something else to think about. My firewall is set up to ask
CTc> for permission when any new installation attempts to communicate for
CTc> the first time. Every program I've installed since setting up the
CTc> firewall has fired this rule and asked for permission, that is all
CTc> except oneTB!

What firewall software are you using? I have Sybergen's ( it's now
free for personal use) and TB can't get through it. I give it
authorization though..

I'm a first-time poster to this list...we'll see if it goes.






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