Re: Russian/Cyrillic Signature File in The Bat! 3.0
Hello, everyone.
On Friday, 01 October 2004, I wrote:
DMD In my original message, I wrote that I could not get a
DMD Unicode, KOI-8-encoded signature text file to work with
DMD The Bat! 3.0.
DMD
DMD On Thursday, 30 September 2004, you suggest, Maksym:
DMD
MK Well, I would consider the following as a possible
MK solution. Save your signature file as non-Unicode
MK Windows Cyrillic. Use some (re-)encoding software to
MK make it KOI-8. Use %COOKIE=C:\pushkin-signature-your-
MK plain-non-unicode-koi8-r.txt :).
MK
MK I personally would recommend Decode by Boris
MK Berdichevskiy,
MK http://www.borisba.com/~borisba/decode21.zip
In addition, I wrote to Maksym and the other members of
TBUDL that I would try using Boris Berdichevski's Decode 2.1
and report back on my results in trying to get The Bat! 3.0
successfully to use a Cyrillic signature file containing a
quotation from Alexander Pushkin's famous poem, To..., and
this message is my report.
I could tell that Boris's README.txt file was encoded in
some form of Cyrillic, but I could not get the Russian text
to display properly. I used an evaluation copy of EmEditor
Professional 4.05 (http://www.emeditor.com/) and the Russian
text came out as gibberish, no matter what form of Russian
encoding I selected before opening the file. (My Russian is
rudimentary and terrible, but I might have gleaned some
information from the README file.)
I resolved the problem by using EmEditor Professional to
save the signature file in Windows Cyrillic (1251), not as
a Unicode file.
I also did some thinking overnight before attempting this
fix today. I realized that I was doing something that was
fundamentally wrong with my signature COOKIE, because only
the first line of any signature file, even in English, would
appear in The Bat! when I created a new message.
Although most of you are Bat veterans, I will pass along
my mistake, in hopes that others who might be repeating it
will benefit from my stupidity. Apparently, the signature
file for The Bat! must be a single line of text, with the
newline character ('\n') inserted in the appropriate
locations. I was, indeed, using the newline character,
but my signature files were on multiple lines, which The
Bat! apparently does not like.
In a nutshell, make sure that your signature file is a single
line of text, but use the newline character if the signature
contains multiple lines. (I hope this information will be of
help to someone.)
I successfully sent an e-mail message with the revised signature
in Cyrillic (Windows) encoding to two people using Outlook (and
Windows, of course) with Russian support enabled. I want to
do further testing, however.
As an additional experiment, I also forwarded this same message
to the same two accounts, but I encoded my foward message as
KOI8-R. Pushkin's beautiful verse was preserved intact.
I may try to create a version of the file in Unicode/KOI8-R
format, just to see what happens. If the Russian appears
intact when I create a new message in The Bat!, I will
send the message to the e-mail account that I use with
Linux. (I use KMail with Linux, and have Cyrillic support
enabled.)
If I were clever, I would not have taken so long to resolve
this simple issue, but obviously I lack that intellectual
attribute! ;-)
I still have other concerns about The Bat!, besides the lack
of Unicode support, including the lack of a user's manual
and the situation with user support, so I have not decided
definitely whether or not The Bat! will become my new e-mail
program for Windows XP Professional, and let me abandon the
security hole also known as Outlook XP/2002. (I have also
heard people refer to said software as Lookout.)
Anyway, Maxym, I thank you again for your time and your
kind assistance. Incidentally, I did use Decode 2.1 to
create a transliterated version of the excerpt of the
Pushkin poem, although I changed some of the occurrences
of the letter 'j' to the letter 'y', as in 'Lyubov'.
Thank you, again, Maksym! ('Spasibo'!)
Cordially,
David
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Re[3]: Russian/Cyrillic Signature File in The Bat! 3.0
'Zdravstvujte', Maksym.
Thank you for your message. I must have missed your reply
in the TBUDL, which I receive in digest form, but I am not
sure why I did not receive your personal e-mail. ('Izvinite,
pozhalujsta'.)
In my original message, I wrote that I could not get a
Unicode, KOI-8-encoded signature text file to work with
The Bat! 3.0.
On Thursday, 30 September 2004, you suggest, Maksym:
MK Well, I would consider the following as a possible
MK solution. Save your signature file as non-Unicode
MK Windows Cyrillic. Use some (re-)encoding software to
MK make it KOI-8. Use %COOKIE=C:\pushkin-signature-your-
MK plain-non-unicode-koi8-r.txt :).
MK
MK I personally would recommend Decode by Boris
MK Berdichevskiy,
MK http://www.borisba.com/~borisba/decode21.zip
I appreciate your suggestion, Maksym, and I have downloaded
Boris Berdichevski's Decode 2.1, and will install it and try
your suggestion. I will report back to the list, Maksym,
with the results of my test. (Thank you, however, for your
offer to send me the program via e-mail!)
If your suggestion works with recipients running Windows, it
will indeed solve the problem with my friends in Ukraine and
Russia, who all use Windows 98SE. I assume, however, that the
re-encoding will cause problems for people running other
platforms, but perhaps The Bat! actually will eventually support
Unicode.
Finally, Maksym, I find it interesting that Boris works in
Tel-Aviv, because I have a friend who teaches and lives in
Tel-Aviv, as well as several friends in that part of Israel.
Thank you again, Maksym! ('Spasibo'!) :-)
'Vsego horoshego'!
Cordially,
David
P.S. -- I hope the weather in your part of Ukraine is not too
cool. The last report that I got from Odessa was of typical
autumn temperatures for Odessa. (This weekend, the high
temperatures should be at 16°C, with little chance of rain.)
--
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URL: http://ddickerson.igc.org/
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Re: Russian/Cyrillic Signature File in The Bat! 3.0
Hello, again, everyone. On Thursday, 23 September 2004, I sent a query to this list about a problem that I am having in evaluating The Bat 3.0 as a replacement for Outlook XP/2002 (under Windows XP Professional, SP 1). I believe that my problem stems from the fact that The Bat does not yet offer Unicode support, but I could be wrong. I could easily be doing something wrong, or just plain stupid. ;-) Because I have Russian-speaking friends in Ukraine and Russian (including my fiancee in Odessa, Ukraine), I send many e-mail messages that contain Cyrillic text, which is easy to do with Thunderbird, because I can use UTF-8 encoding (but The Bat is much more powerful). I have absolutely no problems with Russian/English messages in Outlook, but I want a more secure, and powerful, e-mail client. My workaround for the text of my messages is to use a default character set of KOI8-R, but, for some reason, my signature file, which contains an excerpt of a Pushkin poem in Russian, will NOT import into my TB messages: DMD I am using the following cookie setup in my DMD preferences for the account I am using for testing, DMD inserting a new line character (\n) at the end of DMD each line, as instructed by the on-line help, DMD %COOKIE=C:\pushkin-signature-unicode-koi8-r.txt. I used the evaluation version of the Unicode text editor EmEditor to create the signature file. Because I am only able to use my signature file successfully in Outlook, I do not know if the problem lies with my Russian/English text file or with TB itself. (I have the same problem, by the way, with Thunderbird, which is Unicode-compliant!) I apologize for mentioning this problem a second time, but I received no response to my query, nor has RITLabs support offered any suggestions. My decision on whether to use TB hinges, in part, on resolving this problem -- and I would appreciate any suggestions, or even a response. Thank you very much, in advance! Cordially, David P.S. -- I apologize if rementioning a topic is in violation of TBUDL protocol, but we are all aware of the support situation with TB, and the lack of a manual in printed or PDF format. (At the risk of sounding crass, I would LOVE to be able to RTFM!) -- David M. Dickerson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://ddickerson.igc.org/ * * * In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness. - ELIE WIESEL _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Russian/Cyrillic Signature File in The Bat! 3.0
David wrote: DMD Hello, again, everyone. DMD On Thursday, 23 September 2004, I sent a query to this list about a DMD problem that I am having in evaluating The Bat 3.0 as a replacement DMD for Outlook XP/2002 (under Windows XP Professional, SP 1). (skipped) DMD I apologize for mentioning this problem a second time, but I received DMD no response to my query, nor has RITLabs support offered any DMD suggestions. I _did_ send a reply to your previous message, and it appeared on the list. However, you seem to have missed it somehow, so here you have it again, and I'm also copying it to your private adddress: - David wrote: DMD Because I send e-mail messages containing Russian/Cyrillic text, DMD any e-mail client upon which I decide must support Cyrillic text. (skipped) DMD My problem comes with my signature file, which is a few lines of DMD Pushkin, in Russian. I have the signature file saved as a separate DMD Unicode/Cyrillic text file, but when The Bat! imports the file, DMD the result is gibberish characters that are not Russian at all. DMD I am using the following cookie setup in my preferences for DMD the account I am using for testing, inserting a newline character DMD (\n) at the end of each line, as instructed by the on-line help, DMD %COOKIE=C:\pushkin-signature-unicode-koi8-r.txt. Well, I would consider thge following as a possible solution. Save your signature file as non-Unicode Windows Cyrillic. Use some (re-)encoding software to make it KOI-8. Use %COOKIE=C:\pushkin-signature-your-plain-non-unicode-koi8-r.txt :). I personally would recommend Decode by Boris Berdichevskiy, http://www.borisba.com/~borisba/decode21.zip (that page is unfortunately Russian only, but the program interface is in English.) I can send you the latest version by personal e-mail if you wish. This software is free. ZIP archive, something about 250 KB. Doesn't need installation; unpack it, and you're done. I sincerely recommending his software to everybody Cyrillic-(and other-) encodings-challenged. (For the record, I am in no way associated with its author.) Regards, Maksym -- Maksym Kozub(+380 44)424-1792(tel./fax), (+380 67)466-5174(mob.) Translations/Interpreting/Editing (English, Polish - Ukrainian, Russian) MK881-UANIChttp://kozub.in.ua[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Russian/Cyrillic Signature File in The Bat! 3.0
David wrote: DMD Because I send e-mail messages containing Russian/Cyrillic text, DMD any e-mail client upon which I decide must support Cyrillic text. (skipped) DMD My problem comes with my signature file, which is a few lines of DMD Pushkin, in Russian. I have the signature file saved as a separate DMD Unicode/Cyrillic text file, but when The Bat! imports the file, DMD the result is gibberish characters that are not Russian at all. DMD I am using the following cookie setup in my preferences for DMD the account I am using for testing, inserting a newline character DMD (\n) at the end of each line, as instructed by the on-line help, DMD %COOKIE=C:\pushkin-signature-unicode-koi8-r.txt. Well, I would consider thge following as a possible solution. Save your signature file as non-Unicode Windows Cyrillic. Use some (re-)encoding software to make it KOI-8. Use %COOKIE=C:\pushkin-signature-your-plain-non-unicode-koi8-r.txt :). I personally would recommend Decode by Boris Berdichevskiy, http://www.borisba.com/~borisba/decode21.zip (that page is unfortunately Russian only, but the program interface is in English.) I can send you the latest version by personal e-mail if you wish. This software is free. ZIP archive, something about 250 KB. Doesn't need installation; unpack it, and you're done. I sincerely recommending his software to everybody Cyrillic-(and other-) encodings-challenged. (For the record, I am in no way associated with its author.) Regards, Maksym -- Maksym Kozub(+380 44)424-1792(tel./fax), (+380 67)466-5174(mob.) Translations/Interpreting/Editing (English, Polish - Ukrainian, Russian) MK881-UANIChttp://kozub.in.ua[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Russian/Cyrillic Signature File in The Bat! 3.0
Hello, everyone. I am evaluating The Bat! 3.0 as a more powerful, more secure replacement for Outlook XP/2002 (under Windows XP Professional, SP 1). Because I send e-mail messages containing Russian/Cyrillic text, any e-mail client upon which I decide must support Cyrillic text. Although I realize that The Bat! does not yet offer Unicode support, I have been able to get it to handle Russian text satisfactorily by setting the default character set for my messages to KOI8-R. My problem comes with my signature file, which is a few lines of Pushkin, in Russian. I have the signature file saved as a separate Unicode/Cyrillic text file, but when The Bat! imports the file, the result is gibberish characters that are not Russian at all. I am using the following cookie setup in my preferences for the account I am using for testing, inserting a newline character (\n) at the end of each line, as instructed by the on-line help, %COOKIE=C:\pushkin-signature-unicode-koi8-r.txt. Should I assume that the problem lies with the fact that The Bat! 3.0 does not offer full Unicode support, and give up on this approach? I can take the text from the same Unicode/Cyrillic file and manually paste it into an e-mail message, which seems to work just fine. Thank you very much, in advance, for any ideas or suggestions! Cordially, David -- David M. Dickerson URL: http://ddickerson.igc.org/ * * * In a world of absurdity, we must invent reason; we must create beauty out of nothingness. -- ELIE WIESEL _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ - é ÓÅÒÄÃÅ ÂØÅÔÓÑ × ÕÐÏÅÎØÅ, é ÄÌÑ ÎÅÇÏ ×ÏÓËÒÅÓÌÉ ×ÎÏ×Ø, é ÂÏÖÅÓÔ×Ï, É ×ÄÏÈÎÏ×ÅÎØÅ, é ÖÉÚÎØ, É ÓÌÅÚÙ, É ìÀÂÏ×Ø. -- á. ðÕÛËÉÎ (1825) - David M. Dickerson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://ddickerson.igc.org/ - Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
