Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-14 Thread Leif Gregory

Hello Scott, 

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 at 13:16:09 [GMT -0500], you wrote:
SM What's wrong with doing it the way you do it now, mark, copy,
SM paste it to the filter list. I mean, how often do you change your
SM filters? It's not like you do it every day or whatever.

In the context of grabbing a filter someone posts, I *totally* agree.
In the context of Alists message where you might be the recipient of
maybe 20 to 30 filters, that's a lot of geek read to decide if it's a
filter you want to install.


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Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-14 Thread Leif Gregory

Hello alists, 

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 at 11:40:05 [GMT -0700], you wrote:
awc maintain..but if you're on 2 machines pretty regulary (like one
awc client I'm trying to get off OE and onto TB!)... it would really
awc simplify things..

Oh, don't get me wrong. I do see a huge value added in being able to
export in some fashion some or even all the filters in an account
which could be e-mailed or such to another machine. I would just
prefer to have some level of interactivity in determining which of the
(such as in my case 50+ filters) to import.


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Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-14 Thread Scott McNay


Hi, Leif!

Monday, October 14, 2002, 12:50:30 PM, you wrote:

SM What's wrong with doing it the way you do it now, mark, copy,
SM paste it to the filter list. I mean, how often do you change your

LG In the context of grabbing a filter someone posts, I *totally* agree.
LG In the context of Alists message where you might be the recipient of
LG maybe 20 to 30 filters, that's a lot of geek read to decide if it's a
LG filter you want to install.

Yes, imagine a filter trojan that just deletes your email for you, all
because  you  imported someone else's filters without looking at them.
I'd  prefer to mark-copy-paste.  It can be used for bulk-importing, so
why make something new to replace something that doesn't have anything
wrong  with it, aside from the difficulty of telling newbies how to do
it.

I  think  an  option  to  bulk-export would be very nice, and also the
master  account  idea,  ad  I'd like for the continue processing with
other  filters  option  to  continue  to work after moving a message,
including when moving a message to another account (in which case it'd
restart  from  the  top. You'd need loop-detection code to prevent the
message  from  being  moved back to the same folder that it came from,
though.

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Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Leif Gregory

Hello alists, 

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 at 06:47:55 [GMT -0700], you wrote:
awc when TB receives it, it would automatically cause the new filter
awc be loaded to the receiving machine.

Don't know about that part. I'd hate to get an e-mail from a spammer
that modifies my filters to allow his SPAM to get through. Maybe a
parser that would pop up a dialog box so that you can put a checkbox
next to each filter you'd like to have imported (kind of like
addressbook groups in the filters), with the ability to verify the
settings of each filter in that same dialog box.



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Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay


Hi, Leif!

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 11:35:32 AM, you wrote:

awc when TB receives it, it would automatically cause the new filter
awc be loaded to the receiving machine.

LG Don't know about that part. I'd hate to get an e-mail from a spammer
LG that modifies my filters to allow his SPAM to get through. Maybe a
LG parser that would pop up a dialog box so that you can put a checkbox

What's wrong with doing it the way you do it now, mark, copy, paste it
to the filter list. I mean, how often do you change your filters? It's
not like you do it every day or whatever.

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Re[3]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists

Hello Scott,

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 11:16:09 AM, you wrote:



SM What's wrong with doing it the way you do it now, mark, copy, paste it
SM to the filter list. I mean, how often do you change your filters? It's
SM not like you do it every day or whatever.


as new junk mail comes in i'm always adding filters

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Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists

Hello Leif,

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 9:35:32 AM, you wrote:

LG Don't know about that part. I'd hate to get an e-mail from a
LG spammer that modifies my filters to allow his SPAM to get
LG through. Maybe a parser that would pop up a dialog box so
LG that you can put a checkbox next to each filter you'd like to
LG have imported (kind of like addressbook groups in the
LG filters), with the ability to verify the settings of each
LG filter in that same dialog box.



LG Cheers,
LG Leif Gregory 


well it could prompt for password to change.. and surely it would
not be any old email that would do this.. something that TB!
would auto generate. the case where i find this most useful is
that I'm constantly on different machines.. i'd like to have TB!
installed on all the machines, and be able to easily share my
filters. plus some are pretty complicated to set up... and
maintain..but if you're on 2 machines pretty regulary (like one
client I'm trying to get off OE and onto TB!)... it would really
simplify things..


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Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Allie C Martin

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SM What's wrong with doing it the way you do it now, mark, copy,
SM paste it to the filter list. I mean, how often do you change
SM your filters? It's not like you do it every day or whatever.

I'd be happy with the current method if I could select and copy more
than a single filter at a time. Currently, I have to copy and paste
to a text file and then copy the text files contents to get all the
filter rules on the clipboard for pasting to the target accounts
filter rules.

I do this sort of thing often enough to think it's worth enhancing
at least in this way. It would be cinch to move all filters in a
filter set to another accounts. One would simply select all of them,
hit copy, and then go to the other accounts filter set and hit
paste.

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Re[4]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay


Hi, alists!

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:37:33 PM, you wrote:

awc as new junk mail comes in i'm always adding filters

Every day?

Mostly  I  add whitelist filters maybe one a week, and even then, with
the  $KNOWN$  filter, that catches most of everything already. Most of
my new filters are for ill-behaved non-standard lists.

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Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Thomas F.

Hello alists,

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:40:05 -0700 GMT (14/10/02, 01:40 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

awc [...] .. i'd like to have TB! installed on all the machines, and
awc be able to easily share my filters. plus some are pretty
awc complicated to set up... and maintain..but if you're on 2
awc machines pretty regulary (like one client I'm trying to get off
awc OE and onto TB!)... it would really simplify things..

If I understand you correctly, you have exactly the same fitlering
system on all of these machines.

The filters are stored as the account.srx files. While don't you send
these to yourself after a filter update, and overwrite the existing
file with the new one after you receive the message. (You need to
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Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay


Hi, Allie!

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:49:27 PM, you wrote:

ACM I'd be happy with the current method if I could select and copy more
ACM than a single filter at a time. Currently, I have to copy and paste

Oh, I'm not arguaing about that.  I'm surprised that that ability wasn't added
long ago.

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Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 11:54:22 AM, you wrote:

TF Hello alists,

TF On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:40:05 -0700 GMT (14/10/02, 01:40 +0700 GMT),
TF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

TF awc [...] .. i'd like to have TB! installed on all the machines, and
TF awc be able to easily share my filters. plus some are pretty
TF awc complicated to set up... and maintain..but if you're on 2
TF awc machines pretty regulary (like one client I'm trying to get off
TF awc OE and onto TB!)... it would really simplify things..

TF If I understand you correctly, you have exactly the same
fitlering TF system on all of these machines.

i would like them to have the same filters on all machines..
she's trying TB now.. i'm trying to fix the problem that she'll
have several machines that she'll be working on. and keeping
the operations of TB in sync easily..

TF The filters are stored as the account.srx files. While don't you send
TF these to yourself after a filter update, and overwrite the existing
TF file with the new one after you receive the message. (You need to
TF close TB while overwriting.)


i understand this..  for me it's easy.. but try explaining that
to someone who runs a bead store..  i was just trying to think of
a way to make it easy to maintain.. and even could make it so
that all accounts could share.. i.e. when the msg is received by
the account.. it would load or add to the existing filters..

just an idea.. that obviously needs more thought... when I try to
tell people about all the capabilities, especially more
complicated filters.. they get excited but overwhelmed..

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Re[5]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists

Hello Scott,

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 11:52:27 AM, you wrote:



SM Mostly  I  add whitelist filters maybe one a week, and even then, with
SM the  $KNOWN$  filter, that catches most of everything already. Most of
SM my new filters are for ill-behaved non-standard lists.


i don't know what a whitelist filter is.. but i do try to purge
off my system as much of the porn as possible.. and all those
nigerian mails, animal stuff, geez, it's amazing.  i don't even
want it in my junk folder..plus i have a
lot of distribution lists.. and other net business.. i just added
2 filters today for mailings i want to sort into different
folders. i wish i had the option to bounce
it! that would be cool!!

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Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Gary

Hi Scott,

On Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:52 PM, you put forth, in part, about Setting Global 
Account Settings  sharing filters across computers:

awc as new junk mail comes in i'm always adding filters

S Every day?

S Mostly  I  add whitelist filters maybe one a week, and even then, with
S the  $KNOWN$  filter, that catches most of everything already. Most of
S my new filters are for ill-behaved non-standard lists.

This is a lot of work.  There has been much going on for windows users
involving spamassassin, an excellent spam eater.. which was originally
designed for UNIX/Linux.  All of the work has been taken care of for you.

spamassassin  can be found here

http://spamassassin.taint.org/


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Re[6]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay


Hi, alists!

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 2:12:25 PM, you wrote:

awc i don't know what a whitelist filter is.. but i do try to purge
awc off my system as much of the porn as possible.. and all those
awc nigerian mails, animal stuff, geez, it's amazing.  i don't even
awc want it in my junk folder..plus i have a
awc lot of distribution lists.. and other net business.. i just added
awc 2 filters today for mailings i want to sort into different
awc folders. i wish i had the option to bounce
awc it! that would be cool!!

You  should  have a $KNOWN$ filter in your list of filters; it catches
emails  that  are  from email addresses that are in your address book.
That's  an example of a whitelist; it identifies emails that you want,
not emails that you don't want.

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Re[7]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists

Hello Scott,

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 12:27:40 PM, you wrote:

SM You  should  have a $KNOWN$ filter in your list of filters; it catches
SM emails  that  are  from email addresses that are in your address book.
SM That's  an example of a whitelist; it identifies emails that you want,
SM not emails that you don't want.


oh i do have the $known$ filter running.. anything that isn't in
address book goes to JUNK folder..

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Re[7]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Dave Crocker

Scott,

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 12:27:40 PM, you wrote:
SM You  should  have a $KNOWN$ filter in your list of filters; it catches
SM emails  that  are  from email addresses that are in your address book.
SM That's  an example of a whitelist; it identifies emails that you want,
SM not emails that you don't want.


You can use the same idea for creating a blacklist.

I created a separate address book, called killfile, and discard all mail
from anyone that is KNOWN in that address book.

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Re[8]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists

Hello Dave,

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:04:19 PM, you wrote:

DC You can use the same idea for creating a blacklist.

DC I created a separate address book, called killfile, and discard all mail
DC from anyone that is KNOWN in that address book.

what i've found is that the messages are from tons of different
sources.. often the same message.. so for people i dont want to
hear from it's easy to do this. but..for the spam, it's really
hard.

Laura


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Re[9]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay


Hi, Laura!

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 3:09:28 PM, you wrote:

DC I created a separate address book, called killfile, and discard all mail
DC from anyone that is KNOWN in that address book.

awc what i've found is that the messages are from tons of different
awc sources.. often the same message.. so for people i dont want to
awc hear from it's easy to do this. but..for the spam, it's really
awc hard.

I agree; except for certain groups, it's mostly a waste of time to add
names  to a blacklist because they're all different. Just add names to
a  whitelist, and do a regular quick skim through the spam messages to
make  sure  that  a  good message didn't slip through. Unless you have
more  than  several  dozen  spams coming in daily, I'd say that that's
probably adequate.

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Re[10]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists

Hello Scott,

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:28:05 PM, you wrote:
 Unless you have
SM more  than  several  dozen  spams coming in daily, I'd say
that that's SM probably adequate.


I get 150 or so per day that are junk! often more...

which is why I need to get some easy way to handle it!

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Re[11]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay


Hi, Laura!

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 3:36:28 PM, you wrote:

awc I get 150 or so per day that are junk! often more...

Well, I'm not up to that point.  Yet.  :)

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Re[9]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Dave Crocker

Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:09:28 PM, you wrote:

DC I created a separate address book, called killfile, and discard all
DC mail from anyone that is KNOWN in that address book.

awc what i've found is that the messages are from tons of different
awc sources.. often the same message.. so for people i dont want to
awc hear from it's easy to do this. but..for the spam, it's really

right.  the killsfile filter is not for spam.  however some of the mailing
lists I track have contributors who add noise, rather than useful content.
It is better not to see their notes, so I am not tempted to respond.  It
also makes it easier to find and read through constructive threads.

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Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Thomas F.

Hello alists,

On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 12:10:07 -0700 GMT (14/10/02, 02:10 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

TF awc [...] .. i'd like to have TB! installed on all the machines, and
   ^^^

TF If I understand you correctly, you have exactly the same
awc fitlering TF system on all of these machines.

awc i would like them to have the same filters on all machines..
awc she's trying TB now..
 ^

Multiple personality?
 
awc just an idea.. that obviously needs more thought... when I try to
awc tell people about all the capabilities, especially more
awc complicated filters.. they get excited but overwhelmed..

I understand the weekly or so updates are spam filters. If that is
correct, don't bother. Keeping the filters updated on several
independent machines is a lot more work and a lot more bothersome than
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Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists
Hello Leif,

Saturday, October 12, 2002, 7:43:06 PM, you wrote:


LG Yeah, I hear you... One thing that I think would be very awesome is to
LG be able to create a master account.

LG Allow the ability to create a master/dummy account that all other
LG accounts inherit settings from by checking a checkbox that says to
LG inherit settings or something. It could even be a menued virtual
LG account so that the master account doesn't even have to show up in the
LG accounts list. This will tie in the filters, templates, message list
LG column views etc.

Oh, how I wish filters were global. having a master, default
level account would be so incredible.. creating filters is a lot
of work.. then to have to create the same filters for all
accounts is a Pain in the rear. Also, it would be nice to have a
synchronize of filters.. if you have several computers running
TB, the current account filters could be sent via email to ones
self I guess, when TB receives it, it would automatically cause
the new filter be loaded to the receiving machine.

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Re[2]: Sharing Filters

2002-10-03 Thread David Tod Sigafoos

Hello Thomas,

Wednesday, October 2, 2002, 9:27:00 PM, you wrote:

snip

TF I would be insterested in knowing what you intend to do. If you think
TF the filtering system is not very easy, it is a good time forofficial
TF suggestion, because the developers are completely revamping the
TF filtering system for v2. There are no news about what will be changed
TF though, but I hope a few of my suggestions will find their way into
TF it. ;-)

And where do those official suggestions go?

For something as powerful as TB and the filtering process, i find it
funny (well .. err :-) that some, what seem to me, intuitive features
are missing.  The two biggest, off the top of my head, are Shared
Filters and Single Creation of Filter for both IN and OUT

Shared Filter Example:
Spam is Spam is Spam .. Thanks to some lists I am on I get offers to
increase the size of just about everything .. and them offers to
reduce .. to me a single filter to cover all accounts (with optional
switch to turn off) is in order.

IN/OUT Filter Example:
I have an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I want to
have a folder for all correspondence to/from SpadeDetectiveAgency.com

Go into create filters and at that point i have to say if I am
creating and inni or outti.  It would seem to me that it should be
possible to define this in one place.  If I receive from or send to ..
put the mail here.

As for what I am going to do .. for right now I will work on figuring
out the format of the Filter record (why oh why do developers like to
use char 0?) and once I feel comfortable with the format I will work
on a) a *shared filter* creator .. for TB that would mean a copy
samething everywhere b)way to define a filter for both in/out in one
place

Just some things to make my life easier G

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Re: Sharing Filters

2002-10-03 Thread Thomas F.

Hello David,

On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:10:10 -0700 GMT (03/10/02, 21:10 +0700 GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS Go into create filters and at that point i have to say if I am
DTS creating and inni or outti.  It would seem to me that it should be
DTS possible to define this in one place.  If I receive from or send to ..
DTS put the mail here.

One of the suggestions I have made several times. ;-)

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Re: Sharing Filters

2002-10-03 Thread Gerard


ON Thursday, October 3, 2002, 4:10:10 PM, you wrote:

DTS IN/OUT Filter Example:
DTS I have an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I want to
DTS have a folder for all correspondence to/from SpadeDetectiveAgency.com

Hi David,
 Correct me if I am wrong, but if you are receiving emails from the same
 person in different accounts, they are being sent using different email
 address that must have provided. You must have done that for a reason.

 Once you start sending all incoming mails into one Inbox, once you
 reply to any of them, TB! will use the email address belonging to the
 account were that global inbox is in. Changes are then you will reply
 with a different email address then the one originally used or you must
 have a fancy template that checks the email for the recipients email
 address and then uses that as a from address.
 Even if this would work, you could now have problems sending emails
 because you might be using an email address not that doesn't belong to
 the account you are using.

 Could this be fixed with a read filter?

 Anyway a lt of work because you sent the same person different email
 address. Does it happen a lot to you?

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Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread David Tod Sigafoos

Is there any way to share filters between accounts?

There are several filters which I want in all accounts but do I really
have to create these in each account?

Where are the filters saved?  what 'dos' file



  

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Re: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello David,

 Is there any way to share filters between accounts?

No.

 There are several filters which I want in all accounts but do I really
 have to create these in each account?

No, create them in one. Then copy (Ctrl+C) the filter, open the
Sorting Office for the other account(s) and paste (Ctrl+V) it. You may
have to adjust the Source and Destination folder names if they are
not exactly the same.

Not a perfect solution but certainly much better than having to
re-create each one from scratch.

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Re[2]: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread David Tod Sigafoos

Hello Miguel,

Thanks for the reply on copying filters ..

Do you know where the Filters are stored?



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Re: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread Thomas F.

Hello David,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:58:32 -0700 GMT (03/10/02, 02:58 +0700 GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS Do you know where the Filters are stored?

In the files account.srx in your mail directories.

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Re[2]: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread David Tod Sigafoos

Hello Thomas,

DTS Do you know where the Filters are stored?

TF In the files account.srx in your mail directories.

Thanks .. I had though I looked there sigh

Guess i will have to write an app to maintain these a little easier


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Re[3]: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread Britt Malka

Dear David,


Wednesday, October 2, 2002 at 9:58:32 PM you wrote:


DTS Do you know where the Filters are stored?

My way to find out in which files something is stored, is to make a
change, and then use Explorer or My Computer to see which file is the
newest.



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Re: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread Thomas F.

Hello David,

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:41:45 -0700 GMT (03/10/02, 03:41 +0700 GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote:

DTS Do you know where the Filters are stored?

TF In the files account.srx in your mail directories.

DTS Thanks .. I had though I looked there sigh

DTS Guess i will have to write an app to maintain these a little easier

I would be insterested in knowing what you intend to do. If you think
the filtering system is not very easy, it is a good time forofficial
suggestion, because the developers are completely revamping the
filtering system for v2. There are no news about what will be changed
though, but I hope a few of my suggestions will find their way into
it. ;-)

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Re[2]: Sharing Filters

2002-10-02 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Thomas,

 ...because the developers are completely revamping the
 filtering system for v2. There are no news about what will be changed
 though, ...

Let's pray! ;-)

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