Re: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello David, Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 5:05:02 AM, you wrote: DRA Best wishes, DRA David DRA DRA Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: DRA http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out David. Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello, Kim: Monday, September 8, 2003, 6:39:01 PM, you wrote: K I haven't seen a repeat of the problem yet, but I plan on trying your K workaround, if it happens. I also have always had the habit of making K regular backups, but considering the previous problem, I make those K backups even more often now. One of my fundamentals here is to keep that Inbox as close to empty as possible. I've found it to be more vulnerable than other folders if anything goes wrong, say, in the process of an upgrade. K Have you tried the trial version of The Bat version 2 yet? I can't K blame you for not wanting to upgrade if you have problems with the K current version, as I did. However, an upgrade may solve the problem K as well. I did read that some people who tried out the trial and chose K not to upgrade were able to revert back to the older version. I've not K tried that, so I don't know how well it works. I've become very cautious about upgrades (as opposed to simple patches) but one day I suppose I will too. K Also, what is the exact message you're getting when The Bat won't K start? Usually, just A call to an OS function failed. Sometimes, none at all. But that is rare know. Oh, I also get a horn sound each time The Bat starts. K When it happened to me, I didn't get a message at all. I just K K got a small flash, as if the splash screen was trying to appear, K then nothing. K Yes, that too. K Uninstalling and reinstalling was the only way I was able to K fix it, however, I did notice one post on The Bat forum which K mentioned that someone else was also experiencing the no start K problem, but with version 2. Not sure how many others have experienced K it. K Another thought... Did you try resetting your default e-mail program K settings in Internet Explorer? Go to Tools, Internet Options, then to K the Programs tab. Choose something other than The Options, then to K Bat on the drop-down K box (like Outlook Options, then to K Express), click Apply, then go back up and choose Options, then to K K The Bat and click Apply again. OK, thanks, I'll try that Out and Back-In strategy. K I know this worked with one of my old K e-mail programs having problems a year or so ago, but I don't know if K it'll help to solve this problem. Worth a try anyway. K As for me, I *hope* the problem doesn't come back. :) I've found some kind of way to get it started. But that's one more hit on productivity around here. Still, I guess I'll be loyal to The Bat and enjoying being part of this kindly Bat family. Best wishes, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Start up: The Bat balks
Greetings, Over the past few weeks, I have discovered that the only way to reliably start The Bat (1.62i) is to first start and then exit Outlook (Outlook is not used for my email.) And nearly every time I start The Bat, I see this message: A call to an OS function failed. I then hit Enter and The Bat runs normally. There was a recent message from another user similar to mine, but she quit The Bat, I believe. Have any of you found a (much!) better work-around or a *real* solution? Please don't ask me to upgrade my Bat version if that means I'll run into other dramas. I'll have a very busy week. :-) Best regards, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello David, Monday, September 8, 2003, 12:44:16 PM, you wrote: DRA Over the past few weeks, I have discovered that the only way to DRA reliably start The Bat (1.62i) is to first start and then exit Outlook DRA (Outlook is not used for my email.) DRA And nearly every time I start The Bat, I see this message: A call to DRA an OS function failed. I then hit Enter and The Bat runs normally. DRA There was a recent message from another user similar to mine, but she DRA quit The Bat, I believe. Have any of you found a (much!) better DRA work-around or a *real* solution? DRA Please don't ask me to upgrade my Bat version if that means I'll run DRA into other dramas. I'll have a very busy week. :-) Could supply more information please. Windows version and patches installed Running software etc. Office Version installed Any logs created by windows. -- Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leaders of the world's richest nations meet in Cancun on September 10th 2003. Oxfam is presenting them with a petition to make trade fair. Be sure your voice is heard. Sign the 'Big Noise' petition to make trade fair at: http://www.maketradefair.com/go/join/?p=omf1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello David, Over the past few weeks, I have discovered that the only way to reliably start The Bat (1.62i) is to first start and then exit Outlook (Outlook is not used for my email.) When you say Outlook you mean Outlook and not Outlook Express, right? If so, I can't help. As you can see I still use 1.62i and have no problem with it, but I don't use Outlook. Sorry. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello David, On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:44:16 -0400 GMT (08/09/2003, 18:44 +0700 GMT), David R. Austen wrote: There was a recent message from another user similar to mine, but she quit The Bat, I believe. Have any of you found a (much!) better work-around or a *real* solution? Try this: Close Outlook and The Bat. Open Internet Explorer. Go to Tools / Internet Options / Programs. Choose Outlook for Email. Click OK. Close IE. Re-open IE. Go to Tools / Internet Options / Progams. Choose The Bat! for Email. click OK. Close IE. Open The Bat and see whether your problem persists. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. BALDERDASH: Rapidly receding hairline Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
On Monday, September 8, 2003, 12:44:16 PM, David R. Austen wrote: Over the past few weeks, I have discovered that the only way to reliably start The Bat (1.62i) is to first start and then exit Outlook (Outlook is not used for my email.) And nearly every time I start The Bat, I see this message: A call to an OS function failed. I then hit Enter and The Bat runs normally. I run Outlook and TB (I also use Time and Chaos for work task scheduling, but have not found it to be an adequate replacement for my contacts and diary). I do not have any problems, but this message does ring a bell - it sounds a bit like Outlook and TB fighting it out over default settings, as Outlook fights a rearguard action if it is not the default client. Have a look at the Programs settings in IE (Tools|Internet Options|Programs) and then the individual defaults for Outlook and TB and see if you can find any conflicts. I always had problems with TB being the default handler for .VCF, so I leave this and MSG unticked in TB! Everything works fine without. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello, Pixie: P On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 07:44:16 -0400 GMT, David R. I expect that P Austen I expe P wrote: DRA There was a recent message from another user similar to mine, but she DRA quit The Bat, I believe. Have any of you found a (much!) better DRA work-around or a *real* solution? P Have you considered ditching outlook? (snip) I expect that ditching Outlook may be on the cards one day. Are you suggesting that there is some kind of problem that my be caused by Outlook? Starting and quitting Outlook seems to help me start The Bat, but there is not a simple and exclusive cause and effect relationship. But . . . thank you for the tip on Time and Chaos. David P While this may not be an easy option for you, like The Bat! there are P some really great programs out there that can take the place of P outlook. I'm presently evaluating Time Chaos, one of the few so far P I've found that can sync Pocket PC Palm -- which was one of the MS P strangleholds that I'd rather be rid of. -- Best regards, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
On Monday, September 8, 2003, 8:28:04 AM, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote: JBL I run Outlook and TB (I also use Time and Chaos for work task JBL scheduling, but have not found it to be an adequate replacement for JBL my contacts and diary). Really? What do you find that Outlook does with your contacts diary that TC won't? -- Deborah Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello, Thomas: First, a big thank you. We are getting closer to success. You wrote: TF Try this: Close Outlook and The Bat. Open Internet Explorer. Go to TF Tools / Internet Options / Programs. Choose Outlook for Email. TF Click OK. Close IE. Re-open IE. Go to Tools / Internet Options / TF Progams. Choose The Bat! for Email. click OK. Close IE. Open The TF Bat and see whether your problem persists. Done. Now, Outlook seems to be finally irrelevant to the operation of The Bat. Curiously, I still see A call to an OS function failed when I run The Bat NOLOGO. This startup, and the normal (with logo) startup both require an ENTER after I double-click on the icon. I guess I should be happy now. Pigs want wings, too. Best regards, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
On Monday, September 8, 2003, 2:03:05 PM, Deborah W wrote: Really? What do you find that Outlook does with your contacts diary that TC won't? The main issues are Palm synchronisation, the big issue finding something that supports Date Book Categories on the Palm, as used by DateBk5. I have tried a few programs to find something that will work, but not, as yet, succeeded. I liked Lotus Organiser, but it did not support Categories, a problem with many PIMs. I am hoping that Chapura (of Pocket Mirror fame) will write a conduit for some alternative PIMs, as they understand categories. I don't use TC as my diary because I like to keep my appointments and calendar separate from my todo list, which the TC Palm sync will not do. I was not very impressed with the address book! Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Start up: The Bat balks
It seems that Julian Beach (Lists) said ... J not support Categories, a problem with many PIMs. I am hoping that J Chapura (of Pocket Mirror fame) will write a conduit for some J alternative PIMs, as they understand categories. I think you may have a long wait. Whenever I've talked to them, the response has been Outlook is what we know and we're sticking with it. There's always hope, though! -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/8/2003 at 9:53 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: I was trying to daydream, but my mind kept wandering. -- Stephen Wright. Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello David, On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:32:46 -0400 GMT (08/09/2003, 20:32 +0700 GMT), David R. Austen wrote: Done. Now, Outlook seems to be finally irrelevant to the operation of The Bat. It actually is aa known bug in IE, but try talking to the developers of that product... Curiously, I still see A call to an OS function failed when I run The Bat NOLOGO. This startup, and the normal (with logo) startup both require an ENTER after I double-click on the icon. I guess I should be happy now. Pigs want wings, too. Nonono, TB should work fine. Someone else reported a problem with NOLOGO before (within this month, I think) and solved it. Check the archives with keyword nologo. What is your OS? I think the other user had XP. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I got into the gene pool while the lifeguard wasn't watching. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: i don't know you (was: Start up: The Bat balks)
Hello David, On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:32:46 -0400 GMT (08/09/2003, 20:32 +0700 GMT), David R. Austen wrote: Sorry for posting a PM on the list. I replied to your PM, but I have been asked by your bot to confirm my address. I'm not doing that. You want to review your policy for two reasons: 1.) You sent me a message to which I replied. I am offended by your bot's interference to my attempt at helping you. 2.) If you are trying to cut down spam, you will just have confirmed your address to the sender. And if you're in business, you'll never get new customers... and even new friends will be difficult to get. I am kind enough to mention this to you, others will just stop communicating. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn morgens frueh der Wecker rasselt, ist der schoenste Tag vermasselt. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
Hello Pixie Thank you for your email dated Monday, September 8, 2003, 12:57:42 PM, in which you wrote: P I'm presently evaluating Time Chaos, They've also got some great offers at the moment: https://www.chaossoftware.com/secure/purchase.asp -- Regards William http://www.residues.info and http://www.magiric.com Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: i don't know you (was: Start up: The Bat balks)
Hello, Thomas: Monday, September 8, 2003, 11:17:21 AM, you wrote: TF Sorry for posting a PM on the list. I replied to your PM, but I have TF been asked by your bot to confirm my address. I regret the inconvenience. Please send me your message with the advice. It will go through now. Yes, the bot asks for a reason. Even your familiar name would suffice, Thomas, telling me who is at the door, so to speak. Please don't be offended. But I guess this is a good illustration of what somebody promised yesterday. To explain, I forgot to create a permission for you when I first wrote to you OL. (The CM bot normally automatically creates a permanent permission when I send a message to somebody new. SMTP problems at my new ISP have stopped that -- for now. (Of course that does not help with those senders who are totally new to me.) I have now created a permission for you manually, Thomas. TF I'm not doing that. You TF want to review your policy for two reasons: TF 1.) You sent me a message to which I replied. I am offended by TF your bot's interference to my attempt at helping you. TF 2.) If you are trying to cut down spam, you will just have confirmed TF your address to the sender. Good point. On very, very rare occasions, a spammer actually asks me for permission! Thomas, aren't there other ways in which spammers can extrapolate, and determine that an address is likely valid? TF And if you're in business, you'll never get new customers... (pause) TF and even new friends will be difficult to get. Now, Thomas, that's below the belt! :-0 I'm rather good looking, and anyway, mother said to be very careful about getting new friends on the Internet. But I think this list should be a safe place. :-) So everybody, come over for lunch at my place today. I'm afraid some dear, old friends will dump me now, per your suggestion. :-) TF I am kind enough to mention this to you, others will just stop TFcommunicating. Seriously, you are kind to take this time to explain this, and alert me to new issues. This spam-killing is a work in progress. Cheers, David Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: i don't know you (was: Start up: The Bat balks)
Hello David, On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:50:13 -0400 GMT (08/09/2003, 23:50 +0700 GMT), David R. Austen wrote: I regret the inconvenience. Please send me your message with the advice. It will go through now. I have moved it back to the Outbox. You should receive it soon. Yes, the bot asks for a reason. Even your familiar name would suffice, Thomas, telling me who is at the door, so to speak. Please don't be offended. But I guess this is a good illustration of what somebody promised yesterday. I don't understand the last sentence. To explain, I forgot to create a permission for you when I first wrote to you OL. Bingo! As I kept explaining to my people, apologies are one thing, not creating a situation needing one, is what we aim for! TF 1.) You sent me a message to which I replied. I am offended by TF your bot's interference to my attempt at helping you. TF 2.) If you are trying to cut down spam, you will just have confirmed TF your address to the sender. Good point. On very, very rare occasions, a spammer actually asks me for permission! Thomas, aren't there other ways in which spammers can extrapolate, and determine that an address is likely valid? It's usually the unsubscribe address. The point is, I don't see the reason for your policy. TF and even new friends will be difficult to get. Now, Thomas, that's below the belt! :-0 I'm rather good looking, Send me a picture! :-) and anyway, mother said to be very careful about getting new friends on the Internet. Your mother is a wise lady. But I think this list should be a safe place. :-) So everybody, come over for lunch at my place today. I'm afraid lunch time is over for me, so is dinner. Next time, then. Will your mother be cooking? :-) TF I am kind enough to mention this to you, others will just stop TFcommunicating. Seriously, you are kind to take this time to explain this, and alert me to new issues. This spam-killing is a work in progress. I doubt you are killing spam this way. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Blamestorming: Sitting around in a group discussing why a deadline was missed or a project failed, and who was responsible. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: i don't know you (was: Start up: The Bat balks)
Hi David, on Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:50:13 -0400GMT (08.09.03, 18:50 +0200GMT here), you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : ... TF 2.) If you are trying to cut down spam, you will just have confirmed TF your address to the sender. DRA Good point. On very, very rare occasions, a spammer actually asks me DRA for permission! Thomas, aren't there other ways in which spammers can DRA extrapolate, and determine that an address is likely valid? Never as easy as by getting a reply. ... DRA This spam-killing is a work in progress. It is indeed! And it will be, as the spammers are progressing too... ;-) -- Cheers Peter _ | Fight Spam! Join EuroCAUCE: http://www.euro.cauce.org/ | ~ The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier to write with. Marty Feldman pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Start up: The Bat balks
Hi David, Monday, September 8, 2003, 7:44:16 AM, you wrote: Over the past few weeks, I have discovered that the only way to reliably start The Bat (1.62i) is to first start and then exit Outlook (Outlook is not used for my email.) And nearly every time I start The Bat, I see this message: A call to an OS function failed. I then hit Enter and The Bat runs normally. There was a recent message from another user similar to mine, but she quit The Bat, I believe. Have any of you found a (much!) better work-around or a *real* solution? Please don't ask me to upgrade my Bat version if that means I'll run into other dramas. I'll have a very busy week. :-) You're right -- I did quit The Bat for a couple of weeks, opting for a new version of one of my previous e-mail clients. It helped in many ways, but there were an awful lot of things I missed about The Bat. When I saw that version 2.0 had been released, I decided to give it a try. So far so good. Good enough that I chose to upgrade. I haven't seen a repeat of the problem yet, but I plan on trying your workaround, if it happens. I also have always had the habit of making regular backups, but considering the previous problem, I make those backups even more often now. Have you tried the trial version of The Bat version 2 yet? I can't blame you for not wanting to upgrade if you have problems with the current version, as I did. However, an upgrade may solve the problem as well. I did read that some people who tried out the trial and chose not to upgrade were able to revert back to the older version. I've not tried that, so I don't know how well it works. Also, what is the exact message you're getting when The Bat won't start? When it happened to me, I didn't get a message at all. I just got a small flash, as if the splash screen was trying to appear, then nothing. Uninstalling and reinstalling was the only way I was able to fix it, however, I did notice one post on The Bat forum which mentioned that someone else was also experiencing the no start problem, but with version 2. Not sure how many others have experienced it. Another thought... Did you try resetting your default e-mail program settings in Internet Explorer? Go to Tools, Internet Options, then to the Programs tab. Choose something other than The Bat on the drop-down box (like Outlook Express), click Apply, then go back up and choose The Bat and click Apply again. I know this worked with one of my old e-mail programs having problems a year or so ago, but I don't know if it'll help to solve this problem. Worth a try anyway. As for me, I *hope* the problem doesn't come back. :) -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
