Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-15 Thread Julian Beach (Lists)

On Tuesday, May 14, 2002, 11:31:55 PM, Yuki Taga wrote:

 I have two accounts, and TB is set to check them both at all times.

 For some reason, I'm intermittently getting a failure to connect on
 the secondary account.  I never get it on the primary account (this
 one).

I am having the same problem, then, but I have been blaming my ISP,
which is supposed to be having some mail problems at the moment.

Have you tried accessing the same mail accounts from different
software (I use Popcorn when I am travelling, as I can fit it on a USB
Flash Disk), or by using the Despatch Centre?  This might indicate
whether it is a ISP or software problem.

I posted a question about extending the timeouts that TB uses, which
would be the other way round this problem.

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-15 Thread Yuki Taga

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 9:13:01 AM, Allie wrote:

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ACM Yuki Taga [YT] wrote:
ACM ...
YT For some reason, I'm intermittently getting a failure to connect on
YT the secondary account.  I never get it on the primary account (this
YT one).

ACM ...

YT Any ideas? (This is incredibly aggravating.)

ACM cough Erm first thing first. :-)

ACM Are you running a firewall?

Sure.  But this is nothing new, and TB has always had rights to pass
through, and still does.

However, cough you have apparently found the problem.  The reason I
say that is, turning off the firewall just now, stopped the bleeping
beep, which had not been beeping all day until this fetch.  And
turning the firewall back on again caused an immediate beep.

This is not good.  The ruleset has never been altered.  And I never
had this problem until the past few versions of TB.

I just checked the ruleset.  It's fine, and unchanged.  I just moved
the two TB rules (one for each account) to the very top of the rule
list, meaning they get first priority over every other rule.

Still the bleeping beep.

Worse, we do not know why the bleeping beep doesn't always bleeping
beep.  I can assure you that the firewall is up and running most of
the time.  And I can disconnect from my ISP right now, and reconnect,
all with the firewall running, and this bleeping beeping will stop
for some period of time.  (Intermittent problem; the worst kind.)

There are very brief periods of time, however, when I turn the
firewall off.  It may be that turning it back on triggers this
problem.

But, this is still a new TB issue.  I've been running AtGuard all
along, haven't changed a thing, and never, ever had this problem
before.

Best,

Yuki

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-15 Thread Yuki Taga

At the risk of being AOLish, I follow up to my own message:

Allie, I think this is definitely a firewall problem, no question
about it.  But why, and why not both accounts, I have absolutely no
explanation for.

But, the darnedest thing has apparently fixed it . . . for now. We'll
see if it stays fixed or comes back.

I went to the ruleset for the second account.  It specifies the
application thebat.exe.  Now, when you write these rulesets, there is
a browse button to help you find the app, and also that sets the
entire path line in the specified application box for the ruleset.

I happened to notice that the entire path was missing, and only
thebat.exe was there.  Rebrowsing to TB, and getting the full path in
there, has for the moment resolved the problem.

But I remain completely suspicious.  Here's why:

First, it wasn't a problem sometimes.  Second, the primary account
also is missing the entire path line (only 'thebat.exe' is there),
and the primary account has never been unable to connect.  So, you
tell me what is going on.  lol

Yuki

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 6:20:42 PM, Yuki wrote:

YT Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 9:13:01 AM, Allie wrote:

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ACM Yuki Taga [YT] wrote:
ACM ...
YT For some reason, I'm intermittently getting a failure to connect on
YT the secondary account.  I never get it on the primary account (this
YT one).

ACM ...

YT Any ideas? (This is incredibly aggravating.)

ACM cough Erm first thing first. :-)

ACM Are you running a firewall?

YT Sure.  But this is nothing new, and TB has always had rights to pass
YT through, and still does.

YT However, cough you have apparently found the problem.  The reason I
YT say that is, turning off the firewall just now, stopped the bleeping
YT beep, which had not been beeping all day until this fetch.  And
YT turning the firewall back on again caused an immediate beep.

YT This is not good.  The ruleset has never been altered.  And I never
YT had this problem until the past few versions of TB.

YT I just checked the ruleset.  It's fine, and unchanged.  I just moved
YT the two TB rules (one for each account) to the very top of the rule
YT list, meaning they get first priority over every other rule.

YT Still the bleeping beep.

YT Worse, we do not know why the bleeping beep doesn't always bleeping
YT beep.  I can assure you that the firewall is up and running most of
YT the time.  And I can disconnect from my ISP right now, and reconnect,
YT all with the firewall running, and this bleeping beeping will stop
YT for some period of time.  (Intermittent problem; the worst kind.)

YT There are very brief periods of time, however, when I turn the
YT firewall off.  It may be that turning it back on triggers this
YT problem.

YT But, this is still a new TB issue.  I've been running AtGuard all
YT along, haven't changed a thing, and never, ever had this problem
YT before.

YT Best,

YT Yuki

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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Yuki Taga [YT] wrote:
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YT First, it wasn't a problem sometimes. Second, the primary account
YT also is missing the entire path line (only 'thebat.exe' is there),
YT and the primary account has never been unable to connect. So, you
YT tell me what is going on. lol

I have no idea. I hope you manage to resolve the issue.

The really good thing is that you've found the cause and can therefore
look into it.

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-15 Thread Allie C Martin

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Yuki Taga [YT] wrote:
...
ACM Are you running a firewall?

YT Sure. But this is nothing new, and TB has always had rights to
YT pass through, and still does.

This is what makes these firewalls so darned sneaky. Especially ZA
which is what I thought you were running.

YT However, cough you have apparently found the problem. The reason
YT I say that is, turning off the firewall just now, stopped the
YT bleeping beep, which had not been beeping all day until this
YT fetch. And turning the firewall back on again caused an immediate
YT beep.

Argh! The firewall strikes again. Firewalls have been the most common
cause of 'inexplicable' connectivity problems with TB! POP checking.
The really annoying thing is that the user takes some time to suspect
it since the firewall has been running nicely for so long without any
apparent problems . yet!

YT This is not good. The ruleset has never been altered. And I never
YT had this problem until the past few versions of TB.

Yes. The usual comment. :-)

Nothing directed at you specifically Yuki. You have all my sympathy; I
assure you.

...
YT But, this is still a new TB issue. I've been running AtGuard all
YT along, haven't changed a thing, and never, ever had this problem
YT before.

Atguard. It's not known to cause problems. Then again, I had stopped
using NIS because of little unpredictable problems as well. ZA so
frazzled me that if I have ANY unexpected problems with connecting
with any application I first think of my firewall and check it first.

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Re[2]: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-15 Thread Spike

Hello Yuki Taga,

Wednesday, May 15, 2002, 4:20:42 AM, in a galaxy far, far away, Yuki wrote:

Yuki Taga But, this is still a new TB issue.  I've been running AtGuard all
Yuki Taga along, haven't changed a thing, and never, ever had this problem
Yuki Taga before.

Most firewalls are VERSION specific in their rules.  Have you
updated the VERSION of TB! that is referred to in the rules of
your firewall?  This is particularly an issue with ZA, as I well
know! ;-)

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-12 Thread Yuki Taga

Sunday, May 12, 2002, 3:13:26 AM, Peter wrote:

PK I  had  the  same  problem  about  two weeks ago. I wrote my
PK problem in the BAT group, but did not get any suggestions.

PK Then  suddenly it stopped. I am not sure if it is connected, but
PK as   someone   also  suggested  for  reason,  I  found
PK exclamation  marks  with  every  e-mail in the log, due to a
PK misdirected  filter,  which  I corrected. It stopped beeping
PK about the same time, but have not connected the two facts at that
PK time.

Mine stops and starts, too, for no apparent reason at all.  I was
mostly, blessedly, quiet today.  But it is back to beeping now, even
after closing it, then opening it, and having it find no new messages
at all on the server.  Damn stupid thing still beeps.

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-12 Thread Allie C Martin

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Yuki Taga [YT] wrote:
...
YT Mine stops and starts, too, for no apparent reason at all. I was
YT mostly, blessedly, quiet today. But it is back to beeping now,
YT even after closing it, then opening it, and having it find no new
YT messages at all on the server. Damn stupid thing still beeps.

I've been experiencing the same thing for quite some time and it seems
to be activated by filters that delete messages.

I changed the relevant filters to marking as read and moving to trash
and the beeping stopped.

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-12 Thread Yuki Taga

Sunday, May 12, 2002, 9:59:25 PM, Allie wrote:

ACM I've been experiencing the same thing for quite some time and it seems
ACM to be activated by filters that delete messages.

ACM I changed the relevant filters to marking as read and moving to trash
ACM and the beeping stopped.

I have no filter that deletes.  None.  Zero.  Never have.  Only thing
I do, only thing I have ever done, is move to trash and mark as read.

The stupid thing beeps sometimes when no messages have come in at
all.  Nothing on the server; nothing to download move or whatever;
still feels like beeping.  I want to trash the SOB.

Obviously, it is something else.  A really, truly annoying something
else.

But this company no longer communicates in any real way with its user
community, for some odd reason.  So I am less than hopeful for a fix.
I feel the code has gotten out of control -- completely out of
control.  Version 2 has priority, I would hope.  But version 2 is a
phantom of a myth of a ghost.  RIT doesn't speak of version 2
officially.  So it does not even exist in their minds, I fear.

What kind of outfit have I fallen in with, for God's sake?

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-12 Thread Allie C Martin

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Yuki Taga [YT] wrote:
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YT I have no filter that deletes. None. Zero. Never have. Only thing
YT I do, only thing I have ever done, is move to trash and mark as
YT read.

YT The stupid thing beeps sometimes when no messages have come in at
YT all. Nothing on the server; nothing to download move or whatever;
YT still feels like beeping. I want to trash the SOB.

Don't go blowing a vessel on us now.

Get up, stamp your feet a few times, then type. :-)

YT Obviously, it is something else. A really, truly annoying
YT something else.

Perhaps a problem with the mail checking process. Your beep could be a
legitimate one. You need to find out when it happens or there's likely
to be no fix. Deleting messages with a filter is definitely one way of
invoking an unwanted beeping.

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-12 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 12 May 2002, at 21:51:57 +0900 Yuki wrote:

YT Damn stupid thing still beeps.

Hmm, sounds as a cursed wav...

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-12 Thread Yuki Taga

Sunday, May 12, 2002, 10:15:20 PM, Allie wrote:

ACM Perhaps a problem with the mail checking process. Your beep
ACM could be a legitimate one. You need to find out when it happens
ACM or there's likely to be no fix. Deleting messages with a filter
ACM is definitely one way of invoking an unwanted beeping.

Then there is another way as well, and a way that leaves no trace
that I can find.  Nothing in the logs.  Nothing in the lil'
information box at the bottom.  Nothing anywhere.  So I don't know
how anyone would begin to figure out when it happens.
 
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Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-11 Thread Yuki Taga

For several versions now, I'm getting an intermittent 'beep' (the
standard Windows error sound) whenever I check mail, or whenever it's
checked automatically.

But there is no error.  Everything is working fine.  Log says so.
Mail is delivered.  Nothing in event viewer.

Anyone experience this?

Yuki ^_^

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-11 Thread Ken Marilyn

Hello Yuki,

Yes, I've been getting this but only since I upgraded to V1.60h. I
thought it was just me but now it sounds like there are two of us.

Best Regards,

KennyB
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Saturday, May 11, 2002, 7:27:21 AM, you wrote:

 For several versions now, I'm getting an intermittent 'beep' (the
 standard Windows error sound) whenever I check mail, or whenever it's
 checked automatically.

 But there is no error.  Everything is working fine.  Log says so.
 Mail is delivered.  Nothing in event viewer.

 Anyone experience this?

 Yuki ^_^

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-11 Thread Daniel Grunberg

Sat, 11 May 2002 23:27:21[GMT +0900]   (10:27 AM EDST) Yuki Taga
wrote:

 For several versions now, I'm getting an intermittent 'beep' (the
 standard Windows error sound) whenever I check mail, or whenever it's
 checked automatically.

It might be worth trying:

  TheBat! | Account | Properties

  Then un-check Play sound when new mail arrives


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Re[2]: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-11 Thread Spike

Hello Ken  Marilyn,

Have you checked ALL of the logs if you have multiple mail POPs?
I notice this every once in awhile, but it ALWAYS has been an
error checking ONE of the 11 POP accounts I have! :-)  Happened
in every version at least once.

Saturday, May 11, 2002, 9:41:21 AM, in a galaxy far, far away, Ken wrote:

Ken  Marilyn Hello Yuki,

Ken  Marilyn Yes, I've been getting this but only since I upgraded to V1.60h. I
Ken  Marilyn thought it was just me but now it sounds like there are two of us.

Ken  Marilyn Best Regards,

Ken  Marilyn KennyB
Ken  Marilyn www.runnerduck.com

Ken  Marilyn Saturday, May 11, 2002, 7:27:21 AM, you wrote:

 For several versions now, I'm getting an intermittent 'beep' (the
 standard Windows error sound) whenever I check mail, or whenever it's
 checked automatically.

 But there is no error.  Everything is working fine.  Log says so.
 Mail is delivered.  Nothing in event viewer.

 Anyone experience this?

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-11 Thread John Thomas

YT For several versions now, I'm getting an intermittent 'beep' (the
YT standard Windows error sound) whenever I check mail, or whenever it's
YT checked automatically.

I get the beep when I have a filter delete a message.  In the log, I
see a red exclamation point at the point the beep occurred.  I wish I
could get rid of the beep.

I do not get the beep when I move a message to the trash and mark it
read.

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-11 Thread Jason Waugh

Hi Ken,

KM Hello Yuki,

KM Yes, I've been getting this but only since I upgraded to V1.60h. I
KM thought it was just me but now it sounds like there are two of us.

I've been experiencing this since 1.60h as well.  For me, it is
happening with mail that I have a filter on which marks as read and
moves to trash (I have a lot - I am very selective about what I read
at home from my work address, the rest can wait until I'm there!).

And for others that have made suggestions in this thread... I don't
have sound on in the account properties, and I don't have sound on in
the filter... I also did not change anything before moving to 1.60h,
it just started happening.

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-11 Thread Yuki Taga

Saturday, May 11, 2002, 11:55:45 PM, Spike wrote:

S Hello Ken  Marilyn,

S Have you checked ALL of the logs if you have multiple mail POPs?
S I notice this every once in awhile, but it ALWAYS has been an
S error checking ONE of the 11 POP accounts I have! :-)  Happened
S in every version at least once.

Nope, there is no error at all, anywhere.
 
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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-11 Thread Yuki Taga

Saturday, May 11, 2002, 11:40:30 PM, Daniel wrote:

DG It might be worth trying:

DG   TheBat! | Account | Properties

DG   Then un-check Play sound when new mail arrives

Always unchecked.  Still unchecked.  :)
 
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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-11 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Yuki Taga,

On Saturday, May 11 2002 at 07:27 AM PDT, you wrote:

 But there is no error.  Everything is working fine.  Log says so.
 Mail is delivered.  Nothing in event viewer.

Usually the 'beep' in that case reflects TB trying to access a template
which doesn't exist, or filter messages where the destination has been
altered or changed... that type of thing. It won't necessarily show up in
any log, but if you look at the very bottom of your Desktop you should see
the reason for the beep.

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-11 Thread Peter Kerekes

Hello Yuki,

Saturday, May 11, 2002, 10:27:21 AM, you wrote:

YT For several versions now, I'm getting an intermittent 'beep' (the
YT standard Windows error sound) whenever I check mail, or whenever it's
YT checked automatically.

YT But there is no error.  Everything is working fine.  Log says so.
YT Mail is delivered.  Nothing in event viewer.

YT Anyone experience this?

YT Yuki ^_^

I  had  the  same  problem  about  two weeks ago. I wrote my
problem in the BAT group, but did not get any suggestions.

Then  suddenly it stopped. I am not sure if it is connected,
but   as   someone   also  suggested  for  reason,  I  found
exclamation  marks  with  every  e-mail in the log, due to a
misdirected  filter,  which  I corrected. It stopped beeping
about the same time, but have not connected the two facts at
that time.

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