Two notes on Drafts folder BT wish and that is it all on my part

2005-12-15 Thread MAU
Hello all,

Last night Stephan suggested the use of a VF as a 'replacement' for a
real Drafts folder and I assume it was him, but I don't know, who
uploaded two PNGs in BT to show 'how easy it is'. Well I have added two
notes to BT that basically say:

To whomever has uploaded the two PNGs 'suggesting' the use of a Virtual
Folder:

1.- He hasn't stopped to think what I am proposing and why

2.- A VF is NOT an alternative to OPF.

3.- With a VF, messages to be sent and drafts will still be mixed in the
same physical folder, Outbox

4.- A VF doesn't solve the issue of distinguishing drafts from messages
to be sent that the user has parked for whatever reasons. The park and
draft flag is the same.

5.- With a separate Drafts folder, the risk of unintentionally sending
out a draft is minimised as the user has to open the draft in Editor and
then Send.

6.- A VF doesn't change the fact that you can still copy/move messages to
Outbox, maybe unintentionally, and even with filters and with folder
Alternate Deletions and you still need the euphemistically called Outbox
Protection Feature.

7.- A VF is not a solution for the so called 'average users' who may not
well understand what VFs are, specially at first, and specially for
novice ones who are initially annoyed because they can't find the Drafts
folder everyone expects at first.

8.- If I suggest that draft messages be always initially parked in not
to avoid (or minimise) the risk sending them out unintentionally but of
deleting them and perhaps waste hours of work.

And something I forgot when I opened this TB wish:

- A real Drafts folder should allow saving the draft message without
having filled the To or Subject fields (required now to save a draft in
Outbox). A draft is a non finished message/document you are working on
and you may not know exactly to whom you are going to send it or what
you want the Subject to be. How is that solved with a VF or with the
current implementation of Outbox?

Finally, whoever has uploaded the PNGs, hasn't stopped to think what the
words 'concept', 'logic', 'elegance', 'simplicity' and 'intuitiveness'
mean.

And, as the Subject says, that is all about this Drafts folder issue on
my part. I don't want to further discuss with anyone to avoid perhaps
getting into 'personal issues'.

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Re: Two notes on Drafts folder BT wish and that is it all on my part

2005-12-15 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU,

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:15:19 +0100 GMT (15/12/2005, 17:15 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

M 7.- A VF is not a solution for the so called 'average users' who may not
M well understand what VFs are, specially at first, and specially for
M novice ones who are initially annoyed because they can't find the Drafts
M folder everyone expects at first.

One remark on number 7 of your Two notes: There are written standards
(like the RFCs) and there are de-facto standards. The latter belong to
the category what everyone expects. I agree that a draft folder is
such a de-facto standard. That MS-products also have it doesn't mean
it's necessarily bad; products from other vendors have it as well, and
that's because it makes sense.

Especially for the newbie who switches to TB from another email
client. I'm not a newbie and I have accustomed to TB's way of working,
but I see your point. So, no supporting bugnote from me as I
personally don't care, but a confirmation that it is expected, and the
functions (like PGP-relevance) are not fulfilled by parking the
message in the Outbox, and editability is not available when creating
a Drafts folder by yourself (but I think that messages in all folders
should be editable, but that's another issue).

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Thomas.

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on.
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Re: Two notes on Drafts folder BT wish and that is it all on my part

2005-12-15 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Thursday, December 15, 2005, 8:08:39 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 (but I think that messages in all folders should be editable, but
 that's another issue).

yes. that is another long sought and irrationally resisted feature.
fixing that would render the current discussion moot.

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