Re: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else, on 24-Nov-2005 at 23:25 you (Roelof Otten) wrote: You can compare that behaviour with you standing on a chair trying to screw in a light bulb and me kicking the chair from under your feet, saying: 'Sorry, I was afraid you would electrocute yourself.' I have to park this message, this is probably the best explanation of the problem yet. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Our papers are filled with puffs of quackery, and every man who can exhibit a few experiments to a class of young ladies is called a man of science. -- Joseph Henry, Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution in the 1870's Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
Hello Dwight A Corrin everyone else, on 24-Nov-2005 at 23:12 you (Dwight A Corrin) wrote: I don't want to import any messages with viruses into my message base. Then I have a whole infected mailbox No. You have a message containing virus-code in your message base. Thats all. Your message base is not infected. The code in that message is in a mime- or uu-encoded form, and it is NOT executable in that form. You must save it to disk. And thats the point where the virus scanner will catch it. And even if you save it to disk, you still have to START the virus program yourself to execute its malicious code. I think as a TB user, you'll most likely not be stupid enough to do that (while other people even extract virus code from password protected Zip archives manually - this is the level of stupidity that I find highly astonishing). ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The ultimate hypocrisy is a government calling itself progressive, while cutting back on educating it's young. -- Todd H. Knight Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
Hallo Alexander, On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:17:01 +0100GMT (25-11-2005, 17:17 +0100, where I live), you wrote: ASK I have to park this message, this is probably the best explanation of the ASK problem yet. :-) What can I say, I try to please. -- Groetjes, Roelof I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. The Bat! 3.62.14 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpOJO6yxmaJT.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
Roelof Otten wrote: Hallo Dwight, On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:12:01 -0600GMT (24-11-2005, 23:12 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DAC What is the point of a virus checker if you aren't going to check DAC incoming mail for viruses? What's the use of having a mail client that's invulnerable to viruses when you're going to check your mail anyhow. SCNR There's no problem with scanning your incoming mail with a virus scanner, but there's only a problem in doing so with a virus scanner that blocks the file in such a way that TB thinks that the message didn't get downloaded properly, because in that case it'll try and try again. You can compare that behaviour with you standing on a chair trying to screw in a light bulb and me kicking the chair from under your feet, saying: 'Sorry, I was afraid you would electrocute yourself.' Some AV products monitor the POP3 connection, some AV products recognize TB and install a plug-in and some just kick the chair from under its feet. As a little flying mammal TB lands on its feet and tries again in the latter case. Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Okay. I use V Com's System Suite, which is, as I understand it, the Trend antivirus machine. Heretofore, on my main computer, I had the scan email feature on. Voila! I turned it off. But the same hang still happens. I now note that the V Com/Trend program, like most antivirus programs, has a realtime autofile scan and an option to turn it off. I can do that, turn it off, but then 1) Whaddumy supposed to do, give up on real-time antivirus protection? (I know one *can* do that, but *should* one do that) 2) Why is it The Bat, among the three email clients I've tried (Outlook, Thunderbird) the only one that is incompatible with this feature? Is it TB's fault or is it V Com's fault? I have no problem with the auto email check off (I was under the impression that I *had* it off), TB is safe enough, certainly relative to HTML-based email clients like Outlook; but to sacrifice my whole system's security for TB? Thanks, Jack Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
On 11/24/05, Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jeff Gaines everyone else, on 24-Nov-2005 at 18:49 you (Jeff Gaines) wrote: try using the dispatcher. the problem i used to have was a message with a virus which would never get downloaded and would show up every check. you can find it in the dispatcher and delete it there. I never had a hanging download with TB. I get only very few virus mails, but I do believe that these hangs have nothing to do with TB, but with a local virus scanner. About 1.5 years ago, I had problems downloading email with TB. It was a virus email, and I do not use a local virus scanner. Dispather dealt with it, though. When I examined the packet traffic, it seemed TB got stuck on some headers. Probably some mime header exploit that affected TB as well. I haven't had this happen since I restarted using TB, though. -- WL Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else, on 25-Nov-2005 at 22:24 you (Roelof Otten) wrote: What can I say, I try to please. ...and TB picked this cookie: I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. Another case for the miracles of randomness files. :) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Fantasy is revealing; it is a method of cognition: everything that is imagined must be true; nothing is true if it is not imagined. -- Eugene Ionesco Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
Hello all, Happy Thanksgiving. I have been using TB foreight years or so. Increasingly commonly, in the process of retrieving messages, TB will hang on one message (downloading 18/34 headers) and abort. Again and again it will not get past that message (which is usually spam, but then, 95% of my email is spam). The only solutions are 1) to use Outlook or, now, Thunderbird to download the email or 2) to use my email ISP provider's webmail and attempt manually to delete the spam. This is slow and painful and anyway it's hard to find the offending email, since I'm not sure of the order of email in webmail. Has anyone had this problem? What could be happening? Happens in more than one account, one with no filters, as well as the one with many filters (all inactivated now). Thanks in advance Jack Case Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
On Thursday, November 24, 2005, 8:37:28 AM, John P. Case, M.D. wrote: TB will hang on one message (downloading 18/34 headers) and abort try using the dispatcher. the problem i used to have was a message with a virus which would never get downloaded and would show up every check. you can find it in the dispatcher and delete it there. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.62.14 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
Hello Group, On Thursday, November 24, 2005, 5:22:31 PM, Dwight wrote: On Thursday, November 24, 2005, 8:37:28 AM, John P. Case, M.D. wrote: TB will hang on one message (downloading 18/34 headers) and abort try using the dispatcher. the problem i used to have was a message with a virus which would never get downloaded and would show up every check. you can find it in the dispatcher and delete it there. I had the same problem some time ago, and used your suggested solution. However, TheBat! really ought to be able to handle issues like this, other email clients do. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
Hello Jeff Gaines everyone else, on 24-Nov-2005 at 18:49 you (Jeff Gaines) wrote: try using the dispatcher. the problem i used to have was a message with a virus which would never get downloaded and would show up every check. you can find it in the dispatcher and delete it there. I had the same problem some time ago, and used your suggested solution. However, TheBat! really ought to be able to handle issues like this, other email clients do. I never had a hanging download with TB. I get only very few virus mails, but I do believe that these hangs have nothing to do with TB, but with a local virus scanner. You must *exclude* TBs temporary directory (where the mails are initially downloaded to before they get imported to your messagebase) from your on-access virus scanner, or else TB can not put the temporary message to the directory (if the virus scanner blocks it during the write operation), or TB can't import it to its messagebase (if the virus scanner blocks it during the read operation). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -- Sherlock Holmes, in the Sign of the Four Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
Hello Group, On Thursday, November 24, 2005, 6:04:46 PM, Alexander wrote: You must *exclude* TBs temporary directory (where the mails are initially downloaded to before they get imported to your messagebase) from your on-access virus scanner, or else TB can not put the temporary message to the directory (if the virus scanner blocks it during the write operation), or TB can't import it to its messagebase (if the virus scanner blocks it during the read operation). Hi Alexander :-) That's interesting, I use F-Prot and it does monitor the temp folder - it often pops up with alerts - but it doesn't stop the messages being down-loaded. I think the one I had a problem with may have had a mal-formed header or similar. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
On Thursday, November 24, 2005, 12:04:46 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: You must *exclude* TBs temporary directory (where the mails are initially downloaded to before they get imported to your messagebase) from your on-access virus scanner, or else TB can not put the temporary message to the directory (if the virus scanner blocks it during the write operation), or TB can't import it to its messagebase (if the virus scanner blocks it during the read operation). What is the point of a virus checker if you aren't going to check incoming mail for viruses? I don't want to import any messages with viruses into my message base. Then I have a whole infected mailbox, instead of eliminating an infected e-mail. May need to make some adjustments on how antivirus software is working, but to turn it off doesn't seem to be the logical modification to me. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.62.14 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Versions 2 and 3 of The Bat Choke on some messages
Hallo Dwight, On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:12:01 -0600GMT (24-11-2005, 23:12 +0100, where I live), you wrote: DAC What is the point of a virus checker if you aren't going to check DAC incoming mail for viruses? What's the use of having a mail client that's invulnerable to viruses when you're going to check your mail anyhow. SCNR There's no problem with scanning your incoming mail with a virus scanner, but there's only a problem in doing so with a virus scanner that blocks the file in such a way that TB thinks that the message didn't get downloaded properly, because in that case it'll try and try again. You can compare that behaviour with you standing on a chair trying to screw in a light bulb and me kicking the chair from under your feet, saying: 'Sorry, I was afraid you would electrocute yourself.' Some AV products monitor the POP3 connection, some AV products recognize TB and install a plug-in and some just kick the chair from under its feet. As a little flying mammal TB lands on its feet and tries again in the latter case. -- Groetjes, Roelof FIDO: the Information Frontage Road. The Bat! 3.62.14 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpxMnftTpzDv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
