RE: Re[2]: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
I pasted some text to reply to, but the format was quite bad. All lines spreading endlessly off to the right. I tried Utilities/Format Block Left. And then some was better, but the nice paragraphs were gone, and all was one huge paragraph. I looked long at the menus, and could find no way to make it come out right. Is this the kind of thing you guys have talked about? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mars, On 30 June 2001 at 21:55:22 -0230 (which was 01:25 where I live) Mars Descent wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: MD I pasted some text to reply to, but the format was quite bad. You can use Paste formatted which has a shortcut of Ctrl-Shift-Ins. MD All lines spreading endlessly off to the right. I tried MD Utilities/Format Block Left. This is attached to the Alt-L keystroke. MD And then some was better, but the nice paragraphs were gone, and MD all was one huge paragraph. That's because to be true paragraphs in the TB pure text universe, there has to be one blank line to separate each of them (as in this message). That way TB knows when one ends and the next one starts. Without that blank line, TB will assume that the text is just poorly wrapped and sweep it all together in the reformat operation. MD I looked long at the menus, and could find no way to make it come MD out right. Is this the kind of thing you guys have talked about? Yes, this topic relates to the subject line of this message. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53d/iKey1000 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7PS5rOeQkq5KdzaARAtRAAJ95TKLiRe46kR5vuVsBg1EDVSetYQCcCMPZ 5uIpZJXQksHnAx4lz5HxK3M= =lQxI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
nen I don't want to have to use a blank line every time I want to nen have a short line. Am I mistaken or is there some way around nen that? I tried the 1.53bis version just now and it is the same nen with Auto-Format as TheBat! has been since that feature came out nen I believe. nen So Auto-Format to me is worse than without it. Ctrl-Shift-F toggles it on and off. I leave it off and toggle it on when I want to use it. Better than nothing, but that's a kludge fix really, not a solution. nen I will agree that TheBat!'s editor has a lot going for it. The nen Alt-L feature that rewraps quoted material correctly is nen brilliant, I love it. I just don't want to have to use it, it nen should be automatic. I *completely* disagree. Some long lines are long for a *reason*. For instance, they contain URLs or regular expression macros. I want complete control over which lines wrap and which lines don't. Well, good point. I would like to have the option to at least be able to set it as automatic though. Far, far more times I will want my quoted material rewrapped than not. And it would be rather easy to build in url-removal from wrapping and even short line-removal so lists and such are kept in order (though the definition of a short line would be troublesome). That stuff is easy, which is sort of why I am a bit boggled that it hasn't been implemented when so many more difficult things have been. nen I think it would be so much better if the editor: nen a. included an option to make all use of the 'enter' key nen translate to a hard return and all other line breaks equal soft nen returns. That way you can have your forced text breaks but still nen be able to have that 'auto-format' type of wrapping while nen editing. Agreed and, hopefully, the planned rewrite of the editor will include that functionality. It needn't be optional either. When that is implemented, I will be first in line to buy TheBat! nen b. wrapped quoted material in a reply (but we already agree this nen would be a nice feature and hopefully implemented soon.) I would nen hope that the macro gets put in as the standard reply format so I nen can recommend TB! to friends who don't want to mess around with nen the client much. :) Hmmm... we'll see. I wouldn't like it to be the default because of the fact that quotes should (by default) be a representation of what was said in the same format. I see what you mean. I would probably judge that your average user would much rather have it wrapped than not, so a default setting of wrapped would be useful in selling TheBat! to people trying out a demo, but a simple checkbox option would remove that feature for those who want the quoted material to be truly accurate. And if it wasn't the default, then a simple checkbox option to enable it would be the best bet. Either way would be fine with me, but I think the former would sell more licenses. nen And no, I am not some OE user who wants the world to conform to nen the popular standard. I don't like OE. I'm glad to hear it. (I can see you're a Becky user anyway). Only for a few more days. I was in the process of getting ready to port over to Mozilla, but I may try TheBat! again to see if I can get used to the Ctrl-Shift-F usage for turning the Auto-Format on and off. I generally dislike Alt/Ctrl/etc commands that I would have to use a lot. Well, good luck with the search. Thanks for your input and sharing your views with us here. Hopefully we will see some of these improvements in forthcoming versions. Agreed. If I knew the Enter=Hard Return feature would be implemented soon, I'd get TB! now probably. Thanks. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
nen I don't want to have to use Alt-L every time I add a word to a nen line I already typed, it should rewrap in real time like any nen normal editor. This was added as an option over a year ago - Auto-format. Yes, but doesn't Auto-format just basically treat all returns as soft-returns unless it is a blank line? That means if you try to type the following: Jeff Jim Jorge Jack You get: Jeff Jim Jorge Jack I don't want to have to use a blank line every time I want to have a short line. Am I mistaken or is there some way around that? I tried the 1.53bis version just now and it is the same with Auto-Format as TheBat! has been since that feature came out I believe. So Auto-Format to me is worse than without it. I will agree that TheBat!'s editor has a lot going for it. The Alt-L feature that rewraps quoted material correctly is brilliant, I love it. I just don't want to have to use it, it should be automatic. But kudus to the programmers for having the sense to allow proper wrapping of quoted material, something that should have been standard in 'text' mail editors a long time ago (Netscape does it in html mail, but that's mostly useless.) I think it would be so much better if the editor: a. included an option to make all use of the 'enter' key translate to a hard return and all other line breaks equal soft returns. That way you can have your forced text breaks but still be able to have that 'auto-format' type of wrapping while editing. b. wrapped quoted material in a reply (but we already agree this would be a nice feature and hopefully implemented soon.) I would hope that the macro gets put in as the standard reply format so I can recommend TB! to friends who don't want to mess around with the client much. :) And no, I am not some OE user who wants the world to conform to the popular standard. I don't like OE. I've tried almost 20 different mail clients in the past few years trying to find what I am looking for without success. I would use the programs for a month or so each to really get used to them for fair judging. I even almost bought Delphi to make my own client with what I want, but decided I don't even remotely have enough time. And it would be wasted because TheBat! comes so close to everything I want except for that editor I cannot stand. Just a few minor changes to what already exists would make a world of difference. Thanks for your replies everyone. Sure. However, you need PowerPro http://home.inforamp.net/~crs2086/, or some other macro utility installed. Hey, great prog, thanks for the link. Very useful since I've not had luck with macro keyboards (seem to die too easily.) Peace. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi name4anand, On 18 June 2001 at 04:21:10 -0700 (which was 12:21 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points: nen Yes, but doesn't Auto-format just basically treat all returns as nen soft-returns unless it is a blank line? Yes, but that's easy enough to deal with. snip nen I don't want to have to use a blank line every time I want to nen have a short line. Am I mistaken or is there some way around nen that? I tried the 1.53bis version just now and it is the same nen with Auto-Format as TheBat! has been since that feature came out nen I believe. nen So Auto-Format to me is worse than without it. Ctrl-Shift-F toggles it on and off. I leave it off and toggle it on when I want to use it. nen I will agree that TheBat!'s editor has a lot going for it. The nen Alt-L feature that rewraps quoted material correctly is nen brilliant, I love it. I just don't want to have to use it, it nen should be automatic. I *completely* disagree. Some long lines are long for a *reason*. For instance, they contain URLs or regular expression macros. I want complete control over which lines wrap and which lines don't. nen I think it would be so much better if the editor: nen a. included an option to make all use of the 'enter' key nen translate to a hard return and all other line breaks equal soft nen returns. That way you can have your forced text breaks but still nen be able to have that 'auto-format' type of wrapping while nen editing. Agreed and, hopefully, the planned rewrite of the editor will include that functionality. It needn't be optional either. nen b. wrapped quoted material in a reply (but we already agree this nen would be a nice feature and hopefully implemented soon.) I would nen hope that the macro gets put in as the standard reply format so I nen can recommend TB! to friends who don't want to mess around with nen the client much. :) Hmmm... we'll see. I wouldn't like it to be the default because of the fact that quotes should (by default) be a representation of what was said in the same format. nen And no, I am not some OE user who wants the world to conform to nen the popular standard. I don't like OE. I'm glad to hear it. (I can see you're a Becky user anyway). nen I've tried almost 20 different mail clients in the past few years nen trying to find what I am looking for without success. snip Well, good luck with the search. Thanks for your input and sharing your views with us here. Hopefully we will see some of these improvements in forthcoming versions. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / v1.53/iKey1000( 55238-48F0B) on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7Le1kOeQkq5KdzaARAvAdAKDOLsPCkdbwV3bTaJCNiS2RCRsKBgCeKux2 d6guBPq9QAcw3U2PKN+7Vgg= =3aYy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 04:21:10 -0700, name4anand thoughtfully wrote the following: ... nen I don't want to have to use a blank line every time I want to have a nen short line. Am I mistaken or is there some way around that? I tried nen the 1.53bis version just now and it is the same with Auto-Format as nen TheBat! has been since that feature came out I believe. If you need to create such a list toggle off autoformat (Shift-Ctrl-F) and proceed. When you're done, turn back on auto-formatting. It's a give and take for me. Great reflowing of quoted material, the free caret interface, in return for occasionally toggling on and off autoformatting. - -- ©Allie C. Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using SecureBat! (v1.53bis/iKey1000) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'Going the speed of light is bad for your age.' __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build/06) Comment: Public Key available at http://key.ac-martin.com iQA/AwUBOy3tzlfJ62ArBxfiEQJL1ACfZbgiMwCvyyOx+lZGo5ttkvGE0PgAoPSR +CQkKf/LumPdq3sUXjbBQ6Tm =+wU3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello andrew On 17 June 2001 at 03:43:42 +0100 (which was 03:43 where I live) andrew graced us with these comments ACM Sure. However, you need PowerPro ACM http://home.inforamp.net/~crs2086/, or some other macro utility ACM installed. This is the macro in PowerPro format: I tried the link and got a dns (cannot find server) error anyone else have a problem? Try http://www.inforamp.net/~crs2086/ Does Power Pro need to be link into TB in some way for the macro to work? No. Or is it an always on sys tray scenario? Sort of. I have it sitting it the top right corner leaving room for three buttons [_][-][X]. - -- Best regards, ___ David |MUA- The 1, The Only, The Bat! | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Adv Ser 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Tag, you're it, Tag, you're it, Tag you're it again, Tag, you're it no | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOyxtt/mK8eZlD0U0EQLlVgCgqjV8lBRe+DeqX1YZMQX9o+o0hNcAoPDG 5ntubWMjg8Fn1KIFw0DYjRqD =VNHM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, June 17, 2001, 5:43:42 AM, andrew wrote: I tried the link and got a dns (cannot find server) error anyone else have a problem? Try at http://www.tucows.com They may have it and all downloads from them are zippy :-) - -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Powered by RITlabs' The Bat! iQA/AwUBOyxQ7fFgRjY97rftEQI+vgCg7Yel95n3focqhDHSKZkrCFm/7SAAoPz5 5gkhNUN58TCxdXrnNx6MTR9V =Mnow -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, June 17, 2001, 3:44:55 AM, A Curtis Martin wrote: I looked at Becky's editor to try to create a similar ability. No go. Forte' Agent's editor? .. forget it all manual labour. This is why OE users will just quote the whole message and write the reply above the quote. Too much work to make comments and reformat the quotes. Ah, agreed. The OE text editor is crap^100. And the way it wraps stinks. From two messages to reply to one would look like: text text text text some other text All that should have been quoted. - -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Powered by RITlabs' The Bat! iQA/AwUBOyxQO/FgRjY97rftEQL10ACgp4K/snjMoJkBpQh3hNAv2VcETWQAoJYv CVxqLG9ldajnEd/tKWBbUaXr =N/QS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, June 17, 2001, 3:19:36 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Allie, another list moderator here, has been know to use the TB editor as his mainstream text editor *because* it's so good. Heh, too bad it's not like an independent part of TB! mailing software... A good example from the Linux world would be Pine, that uses Pico as the editor... ran in a dumb mode that let's Pine control it. And yes, TB!'s editor is a star eh :-) - -- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Powered by RITlabs' The Bat! iQA/AwUBOyxPXvFgRjY97rftEQIAFQCg46JU1e6IMwQR7dtg7WDlrtPy+EQAoMTI FFx+RkT0cczilf/8K2c3wtOC =HZQG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
Hello Paula, On Saturday, June 16, 2001 21:14:57 [ -0400 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor': Paula [...] If all software has to be the same, why bother. Some of the very few Paula negative reviews I see on TB at places like cNet are from people who may Paula not realize it, but are unhappy with TB, because it's not an OE Paula clone. [...] This is a very interesting observation which I had not considered before but it seems logical. as well as, shameful. OE has become the defacto standard from which all is compared. Doesn't leave much room for imagination or improvement tho many programmers try some succeed. ECCO (the PIM equivalent to TB!) did not; let's hope that The Bat does. The tremendous effort these folks expend get further undercut because M$ ( others) simply include any interesting improvement they find in the marketplace into their own product line. I wonder what the solution will ever be... -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.53bis/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
On 17-06-2001 at 02:44, A Curtis Martin kindly wrote: I use TB!'s editor with Forte' Agent, and also use it for some other editing tasks. Huh? How do you do this? Not by coping text from Agent to TB, replying to it and then copying it back, I presume? If you have figured out another way, please let me now. Although I throroughly disliked TB's editor to begin with, I now find myself yearning for it while replying to Usenet posting. I keep wanting to do Alt-L. Actually, I often give the keystroke and then remember with disappointment that it doesn't work in Agent... - K - -- Nothing is sacred about feeling miserable. - Doug W on alt.suicide.holiday, May 11 2001 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 17, 2001, at 2:38:39 PM, Karin Spaink wrote: Although I throroughly disliked TB's editor to begin with, I now find myself yearning for it while replying to Usenet posting. I keep wanting to do Alt-L. Actually, I often give the keystroke and then remember with disappointment that it doesn't work in Agent... A little OT here, but I thought I'd throw in the fact that Mark Sidell said he will have Agent 1.9 for us by the end of July. Agent 2.0 is coming... but then we've said that about TB for months and months. ;o) - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- TB! v1.53 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOy2AccUChHR7o/3OEQLiWACfVqQdnRU6RY1YsuWKZGYXut1bpZYAnRXf SrhB0Jd3Rp7EBcBZbtiOILoC =0SzH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
I've been waiting awhile for two things primarily from TheBat! and then I will switch to it and buy it in a heartbeat because it seems to be by far the best multiple account email client otherwise. 1. Account specific address books. This seems to have been implemented recently finally. Huzzah. 2. A more 'wrap friendly' text editor. This is the main thing. I know some people really like the way the editor works in TheBat!, but I think a great many more find it frustrating to deal with the lack of soft returns. I don't want to have to use Alt-L every time I add a word to a line I already typed, it should rewrap in real time like any normal editor. I don't want to have to Alt-L every paragraph when I reply to a message with its contents quoted. I know some people like to go through a message and do that, but most of the people I talk to find it extremely irritating, especially since the arrow keys and Alt-L are on the same side of the keyboard and thus don't allow for easy two-handed keyboard maneuvering. Is there any plan afoot to implement at least an option for users to have a 'normal' editor. TheBat! is fantastic in so many respects, but there are a number of us who just cannot put up with this irritation in so crucial of a feature. As it stands now, it looks like the new Mozilla mail client will surpass TheBat! as the best multiple account email client when it is given a final release...at least for those of us who prefer the soft return usage. Of less significance would be my desire to see that Address Book button in the Edit Mail window be moved from the right side to the left side where it is more expedient to get to. It may not seem like much, but it is a minor irritation to have to move the mouse all the way across the screen to get to it when the rest of your work is really done on the left side in starting an email. I think it would be best if you could bring up the Address Book by clicking on the From, To, CC:, etc. buttons themselves. Just a suggestion. I'll keep trying out TheBat! every so often and hope to see these changes implemented soon. Thanks. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi name4anand, On 16 June 2001 at 15:56:36 -0700 (which was 23:56 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: nen I don't want to have to use Alt-L every time I add a word to a nen line I already typed, it should rewrap in real time like any nen normal editor. This was added as an option over a year ago - Auto-format. nen I don't want to have to Alt-L every paragraph when I reply to a nen message with its contents quoted. This is a bit of a wish which we hope to see implemented quite soon to follow up on the %WRAPPED template macro. Once that becomes mutliple paragraph, it will be easy to define reply template which has automatically re-wrapped quotes. nen Is there any plan afoot to implement at least an option for users nen to have a 'normal' editor. TheBat! is fantastic in so many nen respects, but there are a number of us who just cannot put up nen with this irritation in so crucial of a feature. There are plans afoot to replace the editor with a new version. Personally, now that I am accustomed to it, I cannot envisage any editor being better for my needs. Allie, another list moderator here, has been know to use the TB editor as his mainstream text editor *because* it's so good. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / v1.53/iKey1000( 55238-48F0B) on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7K/eZOeQkq5KdzaARAmMBAJwPZgE9bdHZ9/+I9CT1qBhJR34PTgCfbNVL 6vx/b+NMDuXzXdYHGLPWFJg= =FfmG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:56:36 -0700, name4anand thoughtfully wrote the following: ... nen I don't want to have to use Alt-L every time I add a word to a line I nen already typed, it should rewrap in real time like any normal editor. Have you tried the auto-format settings. nen I don't want to have to Alt-L every paragraph when I reply to a nen message with its contents quoted. I know some people like to go nen through a message and do that, but most of the people I talk to find nen it extremely irritating, especially since the arrow keys and Alt-L nen are on the same side of the keyboard and thus don't allow for easy nen two-handed keyboard maneuvering. The reflowing of quoted material that TB! does in one swoop is a rare feature to find, usually only available in advanced editors. nen Is there any plan afoot to implement at least an option for users to nen have a 'normal' editor. TheBat! is fantastic in so many respects, but nen there are a number of us who just cannot put up with this irritation nen in so crucial of a feature. The enigmatic version 2 is slated to have a different editor. I only hope that the important functionality present in this editor will not be lost. - -- ©Allie C. Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using SecureBat! (v1.53bis/iKey1000) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'Skiier: Someone who pays an arm and a leg to break them.' __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build/06) Comment: Public Key available at http://key.ac-martin.com iQA/AwUBOyv6lFfJ62ArBxfiEQJvHwCg0P13gTgSakztAx4c3EOTSlz/tkUAoJIP gAtSLDSun9QXoq36454h3tAz =zNMT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:19:36 +0100, Marck wrote these comments: ... MDP Allie, another list moderator here, has been know to use the TB MDP editor as his mainstream text editor *because* it's so good. I use TB!'s editor with Forte' Agent, and also use it for some other editing tasks. The reformat routines are done in such a way that I can use Power Pro to create keyboard macros that make me able to do some interesting formatting with a single macro shortcut. One example is the ability to place the cursor in the middle of a quoted paragraph, hit my macro shortcut (shift+del), which splits the paragraph into two parts separated by three lines, reflowing both parts, and then leaving cursor at the beginning of the second of the three lines separating the two reformatted parts. I can then just type my comments. :-) I looked at Becky's editor to try to create a similar ability. No go. Forte' Agent's editor? .. forget it all manual labour. This is why OE users will just quote the whole message and write the reply above the quote. Too much work to make comments and reformat the quotes. - -- ©Allie C. Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using SecureBat! (v1.53bis/iKey1000) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'Do NOT look into laser with remaining eyeball!' __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build/06) Comment: Public Key available at http://key.ac-martin.com iQA/AwUBOyv9h1fJ62ArBxfiEQJt9gCfYv0AeIGy+i80JFAMSelpFcZOIBMAoLpj C0jny1RrG+A8YFZGWH5qd35I =9AhF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
Hey A, Saturday, June 16, 2001, 8:44:55 PM, you wrote: ACM One example is the ACM ability to place the cursor in the middle of a quoted paragraph, hit my ACM macro shortcut (shift+del), which splits the paragraph into two parts ACM separated by three lines, reflowing both parts, and then leaving cursor at ACM the beginning of the second of the three lines separating the two ACM reformatted parts. I can then just type my comments. :-) Are you willing to share this? g -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.53bis Windows NT 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 1) What else can you do at 3:00 am? NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:52:18 -0400, Tim graced us with these comments:
...
ACM One example is the ability to place the cursor in the middle of a
ACM quoted paragraph, hit my macro shortcut (shift+del), which splits
ACM the paragraph into two parts separated by three lines, reflowing
ACM both parts, and then leaving cursor at the beginning of the second
ACM of the three lines separating the two reformatted parts. I can then
ACM just type my comments. :-)
TM Are you willing to share this? g
Sure. However, you need PowerPro http://home.inforamp.net/~crs2086/, or
some other macro utility installed. This is the macro in PowerPro format:
.{back}{en}{en}{en}{en}%l{up}{up}
Auto-format must be enabled for it to work. If you don't have auto-format
enabled, you could include instructions to enable it before executing the
above commands and then disabling it afterwards.
What the macro does is the following:
.{back}
Insert a 'period' (this could be any other character) and then delete it
by doing a backspace. This leads to a reflow of the paragraph if
auto-format is enabled.
{en}{en}{en}{en}
This splits up the paragraph so that they are separated by three blank
lines. The cursor will be at the beginning of the second part which needs
reflowing.
%l
This is the Alt+L command that will reflow the other part.
{up}{up}
This moves the cursor to where you'd wish to start typing between the
paragraphs.
PowerPro is freeware. It can make TB!'s editor quite powerful and
convenient to use. A friend of mine created a PowerPro macro to reflow the
entire text, multiple paragraphs and all. I don't use it so I ditched it
some time ago.
The editor may be quirky in places but it creates possibilities. Most
other editors in other mailers are more conventional but are devoid of
these possibilities. The formatting I produce with TB!'s editor quite
effortlessly would be really tedious in these other editors.
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Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
On Saturday, June 16, 2001, A Curtis Martin wrote: The reflowing of quoted material that TB! does in one swoop is a rare feature to find, usually only available in advanced editors. Exactly. The enigmatic version 2 is slated to have a different editor. I only hope that the important functionality present in this editor will not be lost. I know the editor debate has been done to death on the list, so I was hesitant to reply, but I'm embroiled at the moment in a debate over the future of WordPerfect (yes, it's still around and still the best wordprocessor ever made), centering on the issue of whether every software program has to mimick dominant software. Yes, TB's editor takes some getting used to, but once you do, you discover its pleasures. I find myself now using it as a text editor, despite a plethora of other choices at my fingertips. If all software has to be the same, why bother. Some of the very few negative reviews I see on TB at places like cNet are from people who may not realize it, but are unhappy with TB, because it's not an OE clone. To paraphrase the famous saying, the familiar may well be the enemy of the good. It certainly seems to be the enemy of anyone in the software world finding better ways of doing things, instead of layering more icing on stale cake. In any event, TB must absolutely retain the ability to reflow quoted material with the simple key-combo. Every time I have to manually edit quoted material in my news reader to accommodate my inline comments, I appreciate what a time-saver TB's Alt-L is. (Actually, I have a more unseemly reaction, but I won't go there.) -- Paula The Bat! 1.46c (reg) Is it safe to upgrade, yet? -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On June 16, 2001, at 6:14:57 PM -0700, PFord wrote: Paula The Bat! 1.46c (reg) Is it safe to upgrade, yet? He he he!! Yes, I think so Paula... in fact I'm surprised you've gone on this long with 1.46 ;o) - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- SecureBat! v1.53bis/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE | PGP 6.5.8ckt _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar 6.5.8ckt (build 06) Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOywLecUChHR7o/3OEQKlewCgjLYINmT4WjxvqfPbhR916nAp1+EAmwXV 6GvaFtjz6aCIyRHcFw91Dyfj =LiFZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
Hi A, On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, at 20:10:06 [GMT -0500] (which was 02:10 in London) you wrote: ACM Sure. However, you need PowerPro http://home.inforamp.net/~crs2086/, or ACM some other macro utility installed. This is the macro in PowerPro format: I tried the link and got a dns (cannot find server) error anyone else have a problem? Does Power Pro need to be link into TB in some way for the macro to work? Or is it an always on sys tray scenario? Thanks -- thanks, andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://at.omic.co.uk -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
