Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 4:20:35 AM you wrote: I wouldn't call it a bug I would, simply because I think every programme should, when you exit it normally, delete its temp files. For me it was worse with Beta 3 and 4... in fact just before writing this reply I had over 700 *.tmp files. I have since switched back to Beta 1 where I may have only 6 or 7 of those files per session. I don't know why there is such a difference. I can confirm this. I just began checking the Temp directory regularly when this question came. Before it needed checking every few weeks and there were only tmps from wrong shut-downs (usually not one from TB!, mostly Corel and Word). Now TB! fills up the Temp dir. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Why is lemon juice made with artificial flavour, and dish washing liquid made with real lemons? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtVMNfTo1oA8g8dLEQIz/QCgiLbjc8IANS41haWx+gTyzIvuZwMAoMG9 70hL1R39h7sgKmxwziCvn+qX =qSFO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ron! On Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 7:19:57 PM you wrote: I just realized a couple of days ago that one of these .tmp files are left behind in my Windows\Temp directory (Win 98SE) everytime I open a message in TB! So, as a temporary fix I put a little dittie in my autoexec.bat to clean out all .tmp files from that directory upon startup. I realize that we *shouldn't* have to do that, but hopefully RitLabs will straighten this out soon... Reminds me, in the olden days, when everybody new that Windows was *not* an OS (except for NT, but that was later) one of the most oft published tips to improve the system was to put a line into the Autoexec.bat. This line cleared the Temp directory of files at shut down. I always thought with Win9x technology Windows or the programmes themselves take care of that. with the exception of a crash or "uncontrolled" shut-down. That's one thing the "shut-down" in the Start menu is there for. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If you give up drinking, smoking and sex, you don't live longer. It just seems like it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtVF/vTo1oA8g8dLEQJtvACg01nDJ/JcTp/EYtybz7X6LHS4fMYAoMRB 5e6olJhfUCIh9up98CaOhXST =8da+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hi Dierk, On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:33:24 +0200GMT (12/04/2001, 15:33 +0800GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: I wouldn't call it a bug DH I would, simply because I think every programme should, when you exit DH it normally, delete its temp files. TB will delete the files in the tmp folder if everything is fine. (I am talking about release versions, not the current betas, about which I know nothing). If there *might* be a problem, TB will leave the files in the tmp directory, so you can take a look at them if you wish. It's by design. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hello Dierk, On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 09:33:24GMT +0200 (which was 09:33 AM where I live) you wrote: I wouldn't call it a bug DH I would, simply because I think every programme should, when you exit DH it normally, delete its temp files. I agree, this is definitely a bug since no other program leaves so many .tmp files back in the TEMP dir in Windows and I don't see a reason why TB! shouldn't delete them ... after all they are supposed to be temporary... But TB! is still the best e-mail client I've ever used! :-) (I just hope there's gonna be a mac version of it soon!!!) -- Best regards, Andr Engelhardt /--\ |Eternal Tedium Sound Media Design | |http://www.eternaltedium.com | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Mobile: +49 162 751 8530 (sms capable)| |PGP Key ID: 0x927EF264| \--/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:20:39 -0700, Ming-Li graced us with these comments: Are you certain of that? I have *hundreds*. ML I do see them sometimes, but very rarely, and I check (and clean up) ML my temp dir quite often. What I usually see there are stuff from ML Word and other M$ leftovers. I just checked mine and found 1503 TB! related objects!! It amounted to just 48KB however. I've never emptied my temp directories since using NT and now 2k. Never had a problem. In fact the total size of the temp folder is 18MB. - -- Allie, -= A. Curtis Martin =- List Moderator (and fellow end-user) The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 \\// Win2k (SP1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build/04.. Comment: PGP Key ID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security). iQA/AwUBOtWCi1fJ62ArBxfiEQL8WgCg3541/09aINw7UKyNP5SCipfOyuoAoLIi J6/nDhmpIFIIEbIiLoU6XNB2 =1yKD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 9:50:56 AM you wrote: TB will delete the files in the tmp folder if everything is fine. (I am talking about release versions, not the current betas, about which I know nothing). If there *might* be a problem, TB will leave the files in the tmp directory, so you can take a look at them if you wish. It's by design. Quite right and good. Since all my TB! mailinglist posts come into one folder and I tend to not look at the address to verify which list a message comes from, I haven't realized that we were talking beta stuff on TBUDL. As I posted in another mail, the problem with these temp files seems to have originated with one of the 1.52 betas - at least for me, can't speak for Anton. The best way to handle temp files is (and that's what actually is the design within Win9x) that every programme, which is exited as intended, should clear up its mess. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C The graveyards are full of people who rushed in bravely but unwisely. (Terry Pratchett) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtWAjPTo1oA8g8dLEQLYwgCg0jl8LJK8ONw1JMxZsXeKD9kw1NsAniQ8 btLsiCumHiH9ALdpQgOu+ljO =ahaT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 9:55:09 AM you wrote: It is not always a good idea to clear the tmp directories at shut-down or start-up by optting the command into the autoexec.bat. Some programs (when installing new software) leave files in the tmp or temp that are needed during subsequent start-up. Didn't want to imply that; I was just reminiscing of "the good old times". ;-) DH I always thought with Win9x technology Windows or the programmes DH themselves take care of that. with the exception of a crash or DH "uncontrolled" shut-down. That's one thing the "shut-down" in the DH Start menu is there for. No, as you can see above. OK, I shortened the exact procedure. At shut down Win9x exits running programmes, which prompt you to save open files or whatever they are designed to do. When these programmes exit, *they* usually clear up their specific temp files (and what else there is left). Some even have a special option for it (IE and other browsers for Temp Internet files). - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C History would be an excellent thing if only it were true. (Leo Tolstoi) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtWBt/To1oA8g8dLEQIIjwCgxsoxh9FoZPHm9SHtFUA1j8eU1aEAoOi3 1muY1dUnnJ7AlIbXAiIFfTLk =P6Jj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Windows has NEVER cleaned up after itself properly. This is to be expected from a company that continues to put more internal resources into eye-candy (witness the great emphasis on skinz for Whistler) rather than cleaning up bugs that have been around since Windows 95. jon |+- || Dierk Haasis | || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | || | || Thursday April 12, 2001 07:21 | || AM| || Please respond to TBUDL | || | |+- -| | | | To: Thomas| | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | cc: (bcc: Jonathan Wayne/PAMG/Prudential) | | Subject: Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the| | temp-directory? | -| -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 9:55:09 AM you wrote: It is not always a good idea to clear the tmp directories at shut-down or start-up by optting the command into the autoexec.bat. Some programs (when installing new software) leave files in the tmp or temp that are needed during subsequent start-up. Didn't want to imply that; I was just reminiscing of "the good old times". ;-) DH I always thought with Win9x technology Windows or the programmes DH themselves take care of that. with the exception of a crash or DH "uncontrolled" shut-down. That's one thing the "shut-down" in the DH Start menu is there for. No, as you can see above. OK, I shortened the exact procedure. At shut down Win9x exits running programmes, which prompt you to save open files or whatever they are designed to do. When these programmes exit, *they* usually clear up their specific temp files (and what else there is left). Some even have a special option for it (IE and other browsers for Temp Internet files). -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hallo Dierk, On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:16:43 +0200 GMT (12/04/2001, 19:16 +0800 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: It's by design. DH Quite right and good. [...] DH The best way to handle temp files is (and that's what actually is the DH design within Win9x) that every programme, which is exited as DH intended, should clear up its mess. Are you contradicting yourself? If there is a problem and you have to restart TB, I think it is a good idea that you are still able to scrutinize the temp files later to find the problem. But that's a matter of taste, I guess. This thread is starting to go in circles, or is it? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49g under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Dierk - Unless you tell me that this reply looked OK, I'm going to abandon replying to any more messages with this email client - Lotus Notes - which I hate immensely but have to use at work! Completely inflexible. Otherwise will probably resubscribe at home where I use TB and can create properly formatted replies. jon |+- || Dierk Haasis | || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | || Sent by: | || [EMAIL PROTECTED]| || om| || | || | || | || Thursday April 12, 2001 10:40 | || AM| || Please respond to TBUDL | || | |+- -| | | | To: Jonathan Wayne| | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | cc:| | Subject: Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the| | temp-directory? | -| -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jonathan! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 3:36:30 PM you wrote: |+- || Dierk Haasis | || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | || | || Thursday April 12, 2001 07:21 | || AM| || Please respond to TBUDL | || | |+- ?? Did I miss anything? Or am I in a coma? - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Why is the man who invests all your hard earned money called a "broker"? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtWwOPTo1oA8g8dLEQIV9ACg+whA1QdQ78RujQYfTL862gbMn6MAoJZH R1u/1OohNIa/UxTBeoAuRA+Q =S+Yq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On 12-04-2001 at 16:54, Jonathan Wayne kindly wrote: Unless you tell me that this reply looked OK, I'm going to abandon replying to any more messages with this email client - Lotus Notes - which I hate immensely but have to use at work! Completely inflexible. I'd dump Lotus Notes immediately. What it apparently does, is re-create both the headers and the body of the message that you are replying to, and present them in a kind of ascii-box. |+- || Dierk Haasis | || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | || Sent by: | || [EMAIL PROTECTED]| || om| || | || | || | || Thursday April 12, 2001 10:40 | || AM| || Please respond to TBUDL | || | |+- ... and that's just the *header*. - K - -- Zwei Dinge sind unendlich: Die Dummheit und das All Nur die Liebe und das Wetter hren nimmer, nimmer auf - Einstrzende Neubauten: Was ist ist -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp -directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jonathan On 12 April 2001 at 10:47:29 -0400 (which was 15:47 where I live) Jonathan Wayne wrote Yes, as per 1H of the TBUDL Terms and Conditions. (Plus I have to use Lotus Notes at work and I'm still trying to figure out the best way to reply to the list (this one shows what happens when I "Reply With History"!) Thank you for the explanation. I did get this at the bottom of you reply [ attachment or non text part has been remove by MDaemon ] I now remember why I thorough out Lotus Notes. - -- BBFN, ___ David | MUA :- The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2000 Server 5.0.2195 SP1 | International | | "My god Jim! I'm a tagline, not a doctor!" | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 04/01) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOtXD4vmK8eZlD0U0EQIpiQCcDkm+PwIfDE1yU/PQT8gYX5v4HYAAn1WG iKfvUrp4GdhCf2fdp0mhC8Ez =31Av -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hi Dierk, Thursday, April 12, 2001, 4:16:43 AM, you wrote: As I posted in another mail, the problem with these temp files seems to have originated with one of the 1.52 betas - at least for me, can't speak for Anton. I found thousands of TB files in my Temp folder, and I'm not currently running a TB beta (and haven't tried any of the 1.52 ones, yet). So, on my end this happens with the last official version. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.51 OS: Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jonathan! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 4:54:52 PM you wrote: Unless you tell me that this reply looked OK I just redirected it to you, so you can have a look at all the things Notes does wrong. It is not PGP signed because I wanted it to look just like I received it. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C To live is like to love, all reason is against it and all healthy instinct for it. (Samuel Butler) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtW+pPTo1oA8g8dLEQLUwgCgiNV6LcyiZJglcOk4o/Urw8AGL3MAnR8N XP117gc4tgO4C9AZXPYh1sbz =L//B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 12:00:01 +1000 K wrote: Yeah I get up to 500 or so each week, even though they are mostly 0-Byte in size they take up heaps of space on your HDD cause EVERY file is allocated a "Minimum" size on the HDD and collectively a few hundred can add up to a lot of wasted space, I'm afraid this is not quite correct. The only physical space a 0-byte file takes up on your HD is the directory entry, which is very little. It won't take up any data cluster. this is known as "Slack Space" and your defrag prog may give you stats of the amout of this space you have, I'm afraid this is not correct, either. "Slack space" means the wasted space resulting from a cluster being not fully used. It's the difference of the cluster size and the actual space needed for the *last* cluster of a file. If you have many small files (single-cluster files), then the slack space would be large in comparison to the actual file size. Since 0-byte files don't take up any data cluster, however, it doesn't generate any slack space. As well as that when you run a defrag, it takes ages, because it's got so many more File-Entries on the HDD to process, Not really. They may occupy directory entries, but there's no data cluster to move. also same if you delete heaps of them at once, your machine may seem to "Hang" as the HDD re-writes hundreds or thousands of FAT-entries... ...just wait for it to finish gracefully! As said, 0-byte files take up directory entries, but no FAT entries. I'm not trying to say you shouldn't clean them up more often, nor am I suggesting it's ok for RIT not to clean them up when appropriate (when closing, e.g.), but your idea about how 0-byte files work on a FAT/FAT32 system seems to be wrong. As always, it might be me who is wrong. My apology if that's the case and please do correct me. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 05:25:15 -0500 A Curtis Martin wrote: I just checked mine and found 1503 TB! related objects!! It amounted to just 48KB however. I've never emptied my temp directories since using NT and now 2k. Never had a problem. In fact the total size of the temp folder is 18MB. Generally speaking, leftovers in the temp dir aren't really problematic to our day-to-day operation. When there are too many of them, however, it does slow down some programs' operation somewhat. Each program has its unique way of generating temp file names, and it has to check if a file of the same name is already in the dir. If there are many leftovers in the dir from the same program, chances are it would have to try more than once to get a unique file name. Another matter is if a directory is too large (has too many files, regardless of their size), directory-related operation would slow down. Since temp dir is used by some many programs, it might slow the system down. Whether it's observable is another matter. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Thursday, April 12, 2001, 10:53:13 AM, you wrote: also same if you delete heaps of them at once, your machine may seem to "Hang" as the HDD re-writes hundreds or thousands of FAT-entries... ...just wait for it to finish gracefully! As said, 0-byte files take up directory entries, but no FAT entries. Actually, I think what takes so long when deleting hundreds (I did 653 from \windows\temp because of TB!) or thousands (I did 32,000 + from \windows\inf the other day because of WinME automatic updates) is if you are doing it in a way that the files are sent to the recycle bin. Once you get away from that, it goes much faster. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hello Ming-Li, Anyway, it's always a good idea to clean up your temp-dir from time to time. After all, TB isn't the only program that leave things there. I don't know, what external program I use. I just open TB, read my emails, send some emails. And really nothing else. Attachments - seldom. And every day I have files from bat2.tmp to bat84.tmp and many more. All tmp-files have the size Zero. I'm sure, there must be another explanation. -- Best regards, Anton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 (german version) Service Pack 1 Software in the background: Zonealarm Pro 1.0.122 McAfee 5.16 - scan engine 4.1.40 Browsers: Opera 5.02 english version IE 5.50.4522.1800 german version -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On April 10, 2001, at 1:19:46 PM, Anton Sommer wrote: there are dozents of temp files in the temp-dir. They are still there when I close TB. Is that usual? I'm still with Beta 1 because with Beta 3 and 4, there were absolutely hundreds of temp files left behind... yet with Beta 1 there were none to speak of. That, plus many other anomalies have convinced me to leave Beta 3 and 4 alone until they resolve all the problems people are having. I don't think it is a very stable Beta, and therefore will not be tested properly. Nick ___ -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta 1 | Win 98 SE 4.10 A ] [ PGP 7.0.4 | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 10:57:50 AM, you wrote: On April 10, 2001, at 1:19:46 PM, Anton Sommer wrote: there are dozents of temp files in the temp-dir. They are still there when I close TB. Is that usual? I'm still with Beta 1 because with Beta 3 and 4, there were absolutely hundreds of temp files left behind... yet with Beta 1 there were none to speak of. That, plus many other anomalies have convinced me to leave Beta 3 and 4 alone until they resolve all the problems people are having. I don't think it is a very stable Beta, and therefore will not be tested properly. Nick ___ -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta 1 | Win 98 SE 4.10 A ] [ PGP 7.0.4 | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ I am using 1.51, not a beta. I just looked in my temp directory, and found 653 bat related temporary files, all of 0 bites. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 17:45:26 +0200 Anton Sommer wrote: I don't know, what external program I use. I just open TB, read my emails, send some emails. And really nothing else. Attachments - seldom. Do you receive html messages with lots of graphics? They might need to be saved as temp files to be handled (even by TB). I'm not sure about this for at this moment I couldn't find any to try, but it's a possibility. And every day I have files from bat2.tmp to bat84.tmp and many more. All tmp-files have the size Zero. I'm sure, there must be another explanation. Another thought just came to my mind: do you use any anti-virus program that would check email in the background? I don't use any of those, so it's just a wild guess. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 08:57:50 -0700 Nick Andriash wrote: I'm still with Beta 1 because with Beta 3 and 4, there were absolutely hundreds of temp files left behind... FWIW, I use beta 4 and there's no temp files in my temp dir, even though my Bat has been up for many hours. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ming-Li, On 11 April 2001 at 09:41:45 -0700 (which was 17:41 where I live) Ming-Li wrote to Nick Andriash on TBUDL and made these points: I'm still with Beta 1 because with Beta 3 and 4, there were absolutely hundreds of temp files left behind... ML FWIW, I use beta 4 and there's no temp files in my temp dir, even ML though my Bat has been up for many hours. Are you certain of that? I have *hundreds*. If I'm teaching grannie the art of egg-sucking, forgive me, but the "temp" dir is a bit tucked away in Win2k: \Documents and Settings\(user).(machine)\local settings\temp If that's where you looked and there really are no TB temp files, I'm surprised. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Consultant Software Engineer [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 04) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOtSL+jnkJKuSnc2gEQLYPACdFYWFQew0N7l/2a65u1SXcmtn9BEAoOVb YV54wzWFmp4BaP4fchr9RDef =hLVE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 11:26:41 -0500 Dwight A Corrin wrote: I am using 1.51, not a beta. I just looked in my temp directory, and found 653 bat related temporary files, all of 0 bites. This 0-byte thing brought to me an old memory. I'm not sure if it's (still) true, but I vaguely remember learning that 0-byte files, unless created intentionally, happen most often when a file-deleting operation is not complete. I.e., the necessary FAT/FAT32 changes have been made, but the directory entry isn't erased. Could this be the case? For those of you who see this a lot, what OS are you using (my guessing is Win9x, for its file management is weaker)? Well, I'm not sure what to make of this even if it's true. Just a thought. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Tuesday, April 10, 2001, 1:19:46 PM, Anton Sommer wrote: AS there are dozents of temp files in the temp-dir. They are still AS there when I close TB. AS Is that usual? Yes. With ver 1.51, I usually get 1000 files! I just checked, and over the last two weeks or so, I have 1170 temp files from TB. ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hello Ming-Li, Another thought just came to my mind: do you use any anti-virus program that would check email in the background? I don't use any of those, so it's just a wild guess. I use McAfee to check the emails but I never believed that it would work:-) No, I closed McAfee, deleted all temp-files, startet TB again and have the same effect. A temp file invasion Now I think this is a new quality of computer mystics somebody have it, somebody not I will leave the way of realistic, physik, science and whatever and will think about water vein under my house:-) -- Best regards, Anton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 (german version) Service Pack 1 Software in the background: Zonealarm Pro 1.0.122 McAfee 5.16 - scan engine 4.1.40 Browsers: Opera 5.02 english version IE 5.50.4522.1800 german version -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 17:53:14 +0100 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: ML FWIW, I use beta 4 and there's no temp files in my temp dir, ML even though my Bat has been up for many hours. Are you certain of that? I have *hundreds*. I do see them sometimes, but very rarely, and I check (and clean up) my temp dir quite often. What I usually see there are stuff from Word and other M$ leftovers. If I'm teaching grannie the art of egg-sucking, forgive me, but the "temp" dir is a bit tucked away in Win2k: \Documents and Settings\(user).(machine)\local settings\temp If that's where you looked and there really are no TB temp files, I'm surprised. No, that's not where I looked. smirk I've changed my system environment variables. I believe you know Win2k system has 4 temp dirs (system temp and tmp, and user temp and tmp). All of them have been re-assigned by me. As said, I'm in the habit of cleaning up my temp dir often, so it's quite cumbersome to get to a dir buried 4 levels deep. Just to clear any doubt, I went to check the dir you mentioned. And yes, there's nothing there. Also just checked the temp dir I assigned, and again, there's no TB temp files there. (As noted, I do see them sometimes. Just not now.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ming-Li, On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, at 09:41:45 [GMT -0700] Ming-Li wrote: I'm still with Beta 1 because with Beta 3 and 4, there were absolutely hundreds of temp files left behind... ML FWIW, I use beta 4 and there's no temp files in my temp dir, even ML though my Bat has been up for many hours. I just realized a couple of days ago that one of these .tmp files are left behind in my Windows\Temp directory (Win 98SE) everytime I open a message in TB! So, as a temporary fix I put a little dittie in my autoexec.bat to clean out all .tmp files from that directory upon startup. I realize that we *shouldn't* have to do that, but hopefully RitLabs will straighten this out soon... - - - - Regards, Ron Secord Using The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 Under Windows 98 SE 4.10. A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 04) Comment: Digitally signed for authenticity! iQA/AwUBOtSSHj3g1/Rev158EQJgfACgxdDxR6yh2LXyM0A3xSYpDvSqCn4An181 zl5yUnCiaLLpU5yxqfPEBRVk =vyxe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hi Ming-Li, Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 8:05:58 AM, you wrote: Anyway, it's always a good idea to clean up your temp-dir from time to time. After all, TB isn't the only program that leave things there. Thanks for the hint! As a run of the mill computer user I had no idea I should be doing this and found 690 MB (4700 files) in the temp folder! Most of them *were* TB files. My computer froze twice when trying to delete them, because there were so many. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.51 OS: Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Yeah I get up to 500 or so each week, even though they are mostly 0-Byte in size they take up heaps of space on your HDD cause EVERY file is allocated a "Minimum" size on the HDD and collectively a few hundred can add up to a lot of wasted space, this is known as "Slack Space" and your defrag prog may give you stats of the amout of this space you have, check it before and after you delete the files and you'll get a BIG surprise ;) As well as that when you run a defrag, it takes ages, because it's got so many more File-Entries on the HDD to process, also same if you delete heaps of them at once, your machine may seem to "Hang" as the HDD re-writes hundreds or thousands of FAT-entries... ...just wait for it to finish gracefully! If you panic or are impatient and hit the "Off" button while it is in this state then you risk causing errors which will require fixing (Scandisk ect)yuk. == Wednesday, April 11, 2001, you wrote: AS Hello, AS there are dozents of temp files in the temp-dir. AS They are still there when I close TB. AS Is that usual? == ~Kb.n+jrz6
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On April 11, 2001, at 7:00:01 PM, K wrote: Yeah I get up to 500 or so each week This has been going on now for quite some time, and I have personally sent in a report to RITLabs about the seemingly endless *.tmp files. I wouldn't call it a bug, but for whatever reason TB! sure does create a lot of them. For me it was worse with Beta 3 and 4... in fact just before writing this reply I had over 700 *.tmp files. I have since switched back to Beta 1 where I may have only 6 or 7 of those files per session. I don't know why there is such a difference. Nick ___ -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta 1 | Win 98 SE 4.10 A ] [ PGP 7.0.4 | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.4 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQA/AwUBOtUQ7cUChHR7o/3OEQIYHgCggw/m41OdWmE8BJydI+xXIp5ezaEAn3QZ lMEn441omK2/3PDbAt9MDvs0 =uYKy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hello, there are dozents of temp files in the temp-dir. They are still there when I close TB. Is that usual? -- Best regards, Anton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 (german version) Service Pack 1 Software in the background: Zonealarm Pro 1.0.122 McAfee 5.16 - scan engine 4.1.40 Browsers: Opera 5.02 english version IE 5.50.4522.1800 german version -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
