bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Hey tbudl, I've been using The Bat in the past on and off the last couple of years to see when it would get respectable IMAP supportand it seems that has finally arrived with the 2.11 release. So, now I've bought it to support the great software... :) And now onto the questions: BayesIt and Junk mails: I can see that BayesIt has loaded it's files etc. in the Information page of the plugin, but it has not filtered any messages yet - all stats (except the stuff about the base) is all zero's !? Is that intentional ? ;) Is there a way to find out if BayesIt has evaluated a message ? Like show the junk-score in a column or something ? Speed/Multithread: Can it be true that The Bat is waay slower to fetch a message while at the same time checking the state of my folders on my IMAP server ? Neither Thunderbird, Mozilla, Opera M2 nor Outlook Express has so long a waiting period from clicking on a new mail and when it is shown in the preview pane or message dialog?! Is there a enable multithreading of status and mail reading or something that I have overlooked or The Bat just a one job at the time kind of mail reader ? ;) -- Best regards, Max Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Hello Max, On 6 Jun 2004 at 12:49:42 +0200 GMT [12:49 CEST] you wrote: MRA BayesIt and Junk mails: MRA I can see that BayesIt has loaded it's files etc. in the Information MRA page of the plugin, but it has not filtered any messages yet - all MRA stats (except the stuff about the base) is all zero's !? MRA Is that intentional ? ;) MRA Is there a way to find out if BayesIt has evaluated a message ? Like MRA show the junk-score in a column or something There are log files in the working directory which show how each mail is evaluated. But the stats should definitely not be all zero. Have you marked mails as junk and not junk? Does this change the values for the bases? -- Cheers, Andre Hard work never killed anyone, but why chance it? Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Hej Andre, Sunday, June 6, 2004, 1:36:41 PM, skrev du: AW Hello Max, AW On 6 Jun 2004 at 12:49:42 +0200 GMT [12:49 CEST] you wrote: MRA BayesIt and Junk mails: MRA I can see that BayesIt has loaded it's files etc. in the Information MRA page of the plugin, but it has not filtered any messages yet - all MRA stats (except the stuff about the base) is all zero's !? MRA Is that intentional ? ;) MRA Is there a way to find out if BayesIt has evaluated a message ? Like MRA show the junk-score in a column or something AW There are log files in the working directory which show how each mail is AW evaluated. But the stats should definitely not be all zero. Have you AW marked mails as junk and not junk? Does this change the values for the AW bases? The latest log file (which has a timestamp from about the time where I started The Bat) contains the following: 06.06.2004 13:04:55 --- New session log Version of BayesIt!: 0.5.5 06.06.2004 13:04:56 Beginning the loading process of training information. 06.06.2004 13:04:56 Recalculating bases from here: 06.06.2004 13:04:56 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\BayesIt\base\spamdict.bye 06.06.2004 13:04:56 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\BayesIt\base\nspamdict.bye 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Spam frequency dictionary: 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Size: 312 letters. 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Capacity: 25377 words. 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Non-spam frequency dictionary: 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Size: 37 letters. 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Capacity: 3538 words. 06.06.2004 13:04:59 Training information successfully read. And note It is on purpose the .bye files are in c:\program files instead of %APP_DATA%. I've received 10-30 files since the last timestamp above - and can't find any hints on them being processed. Best regards, Max -- Med venlig hilsen, Max mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ACURE A/S, Celluar: 51 56 10 14, Office: 39 11 80 27 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Max Rydahl Andersen, [MRA] wrote: MRA I've been using The Bat in the past on and off the last couple of MRA years to see when it would get respectable IMAP supportand it MRA seems that has finally arrived with the 2.11 release. MRA So, now I've bought it to support the great software... :) Welcome aboard though I must admit that IMAP still has some problems, one that you've detected below. MRA And now onto the questions: MRA BayesIt and Junk mails: MRA I can see that BayesIt has loaded it's files etc. in the Information MRA page of the plugin, but it has not filtered any messages yet - all MRA stats (except the stuff about the base) is all zero's !? MRA Is that intentional ? ;) Are you using BayesIt with an IMAP account? I don't know if it will work with IMAP accounts. MRA Speed/Multithread: MRA Can it be true that The Bat is waay slower to fetch a message while at MRA the same time checking the state of my folders on my IMAP server ? MRA Neither Thunderbird, Mozilla, Opera M2 nor Outlook Express has so long MRA a waiting period from clicking on a new mail and when it is shown in MRA the preview pane or message dialog?! MRA Is there a enable multithreading of status and mail reading or MRA something that I have overlooked or The Bat just a one job at the MRA time kind of mail reader ? ;) I've been noting this as well and you're right. Currently TB! works with a single IMAP connection and sends/receive requests in series. So if one thing is happening, you have to wait for it to finish before another thing is done. If a folder is being sync'd and you wish to read a message body in another folder, you have to wait until the sync operation is completed before your message body is retrieved. ThunderBird and other clients will simply spawn another IMAP connection and the two requests are dealt with in parallel. To minimize the wait periods, do the following. In the end TB! will sort of behave like ThunderBird. :) - bring up the 'Manage IMAP folders panel'. Set all folders sync setting to 'Don't synchronize'. There may be a couple vital folders you wish to have autosync'd so you may wish to do so. However, try this with all folders set to 'don't synchronize. - open the IMAP account's properties and go to the 'automatically connect to the server' tab. Enable all those triggers. - in the the same IMAP account options go to the 'Options' tab and set your interval for mail checking. - disable the compress on exit function in the IMAP fine tune options for now since this could also bog down your connection. You can make that one of your the first options you re-enable. What you've now done in effect is to make TB! fetch headers and message bodies only when you specifically request. The new message counts will be checked when TB! checks for mail. However, headers will not be downloaded. As a result this check process is quick. When you select a folder, this will trigger a header sync operation. So if you see new messages have arrive for a folder, select it and wait a few moments while the new message headers are downloaded. The folder will change colour to show that it has downloaded new message headers. Select each new message and the message body will be retrieved. How's that? -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpyvglZYG8k8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
AM Max Rydahl Andersen, [MRA] wrote: MRA I've been using The Bat in the past on and off the last couple of MRA years to see when it would get respectable IMAP supportand it MRA seems that has finally arrived with the 2.11 release. MRA So, now I've bought it to support the great software... :) AM Welcome aboard though I must admit that IMAP still has some problems, AM one that you've detected below. yeah - I'm starting to see the tweaks ... anyone know if these are high-priority for the The Bat team ? ;) (since I wrote the originally mail I've gotten 8 access violation messages - not very asuring ;( ) MRA And now onto the questions: MRA BayesIt and Junk mails: MRA I can see that BayesIt has loaded it's files etc. in the Information MRA page of the plugin, but it has not filtered any messages yet - all MRA stats (except the stuff about the base) is all zero's !? MRA Is that intentional ? ;) AM Are you using BayesIt with an IMAP account? I don't know if it will AM work with IMAP accounts. yes - of course i'm using it with IMAP accounts...nowhere does the bat docs mention that IMAP message source are limited compared to POP. (but I had seen it coming...especially since I've now read 5-10 entries on this mailinglist about limitations/bugs about filtering and IMAPthus I've taken the consequence and started using imapfilter to do that particular task instead...that will also allow me to migrate to another mail client without having to reconfigure filters)..but i still would like if bayesit could be activated ;) MRA Speed/Multithread: MRA Can it be true that The Bat is waay slower to fetch a message while at MRA the same time checking the state of my folders on my IMAP server ? MRA Neither Thunderbird, Mozilla, Opera M2 nor Outlook Express has so long MRA a waiting period from clicking on a new mail and when it is shown in MRA the preview pane or message dialog?! MRA Is there a enable multithreading of status and mail reading or MRA something that I have overlooked or The Bat just a one job at the MRA time kind of mail reader ? ;) I've configured it as you said (getting only one access violation in the process ;( ) and it seems somewhat faster, but now there seem to be a big mismatch between the unread/total statsoh well - i'll will probably learn to live with them :( Btw. can anyone point me to an explanation of the different states/markers of unread total ? Like what does Unread: 5 * Total: 7 * means ? And Unread: 55 56 (364) Total: 5.655 5.656 (6.872) anyhow thanks for the imap optimzations - i'll get back to you if they start behaving weird ;) /max Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Hello Allie, On 6 Jun 2004 at 07:25:29 -0500 GMT [14:25 CEST] you wrote: AM Are you using BayesIt with an IMAP account? I don't know if it will AM work with IMAP accounts. I always thought that the plugins don't care for the protocoll and will work with imap and pop. The old homepage for bayesit 0.4 said as much. However, the site for v0.5 says that it doesn't work with imap so there seems to have changed something. -- Cheers, Andre L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Andre Wichartz, [AW] wrote: AW I always thought that the plugins don't care for the protocoll and will AW work with imap and pop. The old homepage for bayesit 0.4 said as much. AW However, the site for v0.5 says that it doesn't work with imap so there AW seems to have changed something. I doubt they have changed anything with Bayesit. I'm not surprised that it doesn't work with it. The two protocols work very differently and it would be very unusual that the plug-in would simply work with both without there being specific support provided for IMAP. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpGQCRZDQKoJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit and the bat speed/multitasking
Hello Max, Sunday, June 6, 2004, 8:09:21 AM, you wrote: AM Welcome aboard though I must admit that IMAP still has some problems, AM one that you've detected below. yeah - I'm starting to see the tweaks ... anyone know if these are high-priority for the The Bat team ? ;) (since I wrote the originally mail I've gotten 8 access violation messages - not very asuring ;( ) IMAP is a priority it would seem, but the optimization seems challenging so the improvements have been somewhat slow in coming. We have to be patient. They're working on it. :) The question is whether or not you can make the current incarnation workable for your needs. The manage IMAP folders panel has been a source of many AV's. I prepare for them when I'm going to work with it. :/ AM Are you using BayesIt with an IMAP account? I don't know if it will AM work with IMAP accounts. yes - of course i'm using it with IMAP accounts...nowhere does the bat docs mention that IMAP message source are limited compared to POP. TB!'s documentation isn't exhaustive and the fact that this has not been mentioned doesn't mean it's not a problem. There are many POP features that don't work with IMAP. TB! was originally mainly a POP client with all features built around POP. Major IMAP reworking was undertaken and getting all the non-protocol specific features to work with IMAP has been a challenge. Quite a bit has happened since I first started using IMAP. (but I had seen it coming...especially since I've now read 5-10 entries on this mailinglist about limitations/bugs about filtering and IMAP Filtering is one of the big ones.. Autofiltering has *just now* been put into a workable state though there are still problems with it. thus I've taken the consequence and started using imapfilter to do that particular task instead... Wise choice. :) that will also allow me to migrate to another mail client without having to reconfigure filters).. Exactly!! but i still would like if bayesit could be activated ;) I understand. However, I think Bayesit needs good filtering to work, doesn't it? I've configured it as you said (getting only one access violation in the process ;( ) Lucky you. ;) and it seems somewhat faster, but now there seem to be a big mismatch between the unread/total statsoh well - i'll will probably learn to live with them :( Like what does Unread: 5 * Total: 7 * means ? This means that there are 5 unread messages in that IMAP folder and none of them are cached locally. The same goes for the Total. And Unread: 55 56 (364) Total: 5.655 5.656 (6.872) Unread - 55 sync'd to local cache but 56 are on the server. If the numbers are equal then you'll only see one. (364) usually represents the total count including subfolders. It's because you're syncing only on demand that you're now seeing these figures. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
