Re: upstream vendors and why they can be really harmful
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: This is a mindset we need to fight, and this has to be a grass-roots movement. I agree with most of your statement, but for a grass-root movement you will need to attract a lot of people. Otherwise you will move exactly *nothing*. And let's be honest here - some people involved in OpenBSD are not the most open-minded people in FOSS. They behave so elitist they scare a lot of folks away and to gain momentum you will need to deal also with people that are probably not as knowledegable as you might want. If you want people to gain traction you will need to reduce some standards... just my 2 ct Lars
Re: upstream vendors and why they can be really harmful
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Peter Hessler phess...@theapt.org wrote: On 2012 Nov 06 (Tue) at 16:45:17 +0100 (+0100), Lars von den Driesch wrote: This is exactly what happened in Linux-land, and brought us to this place in the first point. I know :-) And I understand this - but in this situation I believe you have to choose between 2 devils. If you stay in your niche you can just watch the idiocy happening outside, but you will have absolutely no way of influencing it. Lars
Re: upstream vendors and why they can be really harmful
Hi Marc On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: So, hey, do whatever you want with that. Apart from the proverbial curmudgeons, there are LOTS of nice people in the OpenBSD developer community, who are fairly open to a lot of stuff... I wouldn't be there if that weren't the case. Oh, I didn't want to generalize on the niceness (or lack of) in OpenBSD - sorry if it sounded like that. As in every group there are people more friendly than others :-) From your point of view everybody is nice to you ;-) You are one of the core devs - for people probably not that knowledgable as you and coming from outside it might leave a different impression. Again, I am just saying... ;-) Lars
