Re: UbuntuStudio flavor status in jeopardy, action needed [Was, Re: [Ubuntu Studio] Cry For Help]
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 1:02 PM Steve Langasek wrote: > [...] > > The packageset reports [1] already include all the information, too. > > > [1] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/disco/ > > To fully audit this requires answering a different question: is there at > least one member of the development team for the flavor who is active and > has upload rights to all the packages in the packageset? > > This might mean the members of the flavor team with upload rights are MOTU > or core-dev rather than having PPU on the packageset. And we can't rely on > membership in the flavor development team being an indicator of current > activity. > If we can report on the current members in the development team vs. what their upload rights are (core-dev, MOTU, or the relevant team for packageset upload) we'll already have some initial data to work with. Then, we also do have some amounts of data to try to guess if a particular developer is "active"... It's possible, it just becomes computationally expensive (at least if you check -changes mailing list against developers in the right development teams, etc.), for not a ton more "certainty" on whether someone is active. > Is this something you'd want to modify the DMB scripts to try to tackle, at > least the parts that can be automated? (Probably not the bit where we have > to confirm that uploaders are currently active and interested in continuing > to be responsible for the flavor) Sorry for the late response. I suggested it because I'm happy to write a new script / modify the existing to get this data. I'll see to get this working soon, so we have some data to work with before the disco release. Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu...@gmail.com 4096R/65B58DA1 818A D123 0992 275B 23C2 CF89 C67B B4D6 65B5 8DA1 -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Ubuntu Studio (and others) Flavor Status
Hi Steve, On 13/03/2019 23:12, Steve Langasek wrote: > There are over 400 source packages that are seeded on the Ubuntu Studio DVD > but not on any other flavor images.[1] Can you appreciate that it's > important to ensure that these packages are well-maintained in Ubuntu if > they are going to be part of an officially-recognized flavor? Wow, I think anyone with a full time job would take years to get around to touching every one of those packages in their spare time! Personally, I agree that if a package is seeded in a flavour, it should be in the package set (unless it is in main), and it should be possible to "help" fix any of the flavour's packages. As a Debian Developer or MOTU, you have the possibility of working on many packages. For Debian there are very clear rules for working on a package that you are not a maintainer of. In Ubuntu, there is no concept of a maintainer. You are allowed to work on any package. However, there is an accepted convention that you e.g. contact the previous uploader if you are planning to attempt a merge (to avoid duplication of work, and to find out if there are any known traps). It is also accepted that you should follow up after an upload/sync to make sure it migrates from -proposed, and if there is a transition involved - to follow through with all the reverse dependencies. Maybe there is a need to make sure those with upload rights to a package set have the same awareness of their responsibilities as a MOTU? This should include contacting other teams with the same package in their package set. Maybe Simon's DMB action (tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know) will help with this? Anyway, many thanks for yours, and everyones help and time with this. Regards, Ross signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
