Re: [Techno-Chat]: Amazon Echo Versus Echo+

[Gordon Smith]

Another subtle difference I forgot to mention is that the Plus has a line 
output, whereas the Echo does not. I’m off to look for a battery base actually, 
similar to the ones I have for the Echo and for the Dot.

I’m quite surprised that Amazon haven’t yet established a presence over there. 
I would have thought that there is quite a market.



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On 14 Nov 2017, at 21:16, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

Interesting.

I've decided to hold back on any further Amazon Echo purchases until Amazon 
officially start their services in Australia, that won't be too much longer in 
coming.



On 11/15/2017 7:39 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Just to clarify. I said that the audio hasn’t changed much. Not   true. 
> My error, when writing the message I posted a few moments ago, was that I 
> forgot that I’d tried them both in the same room conditions previously, and 
> noticed the difference. On my last test, I had them in totally separate 
> rooms, which moves the goal posts. As I said below, the speakers have indeed 
> been upgraded.
> 
> Regarding the Echo Show, I think that there are probably better ways of 
> accomplishing an upgrade, without losing accessibility. Several manufacturers 
> are now producing speaker products with Alexa built-in. So look around before 
> buying an Echo Show.
> 
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> On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:00, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal  > wrote:
> 
> Hi there Gordon
> 
> Thanks for the review.  
> 
> you have just helped me decide against getting the Show since it isn’t going 
> to be all that useful to me.
> 
> Thanks again and keep it coming sur.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Kulvinder Bhogal
> E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com 
> Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
> Skypename: bobba2006
> 
>> On 9 Nov 2017, at 18:10, Gordon Smith > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> Yesterday I took delivery of my new Echo+, which has relegated the previous 
>> generation Echo to my bedside table, and my Echo Dot too my studio. Both 
>> will still be used a lot, so I’m not worried about that.
>> 
>> Downstairs, here in the lounge, the Echo+ now sits beside my multimedia 
>> equipment. So here are my initial impressions of the Echo+.
>> 
>> If you got your hands on an Echo+, and sat it beside an Echo, you wouldn’t 
>> be able to tell them apart. Not, at least, without examining the silicone 
>> sheet that they both sit upon. The power connectors are the same, but 
>> orientated at right-angles to one another. In the case of the Echo, the 
>> power connector protrudes from the back of the case, indented from the outer 
>> rim of the case. On the Echo+, the power connector is mounted on the rim of 
>> the case, and the indentation does not even exist.
>> 
>> In every other respect, the appearance of the two devices are absolutely 
>> identical.
>> 
>> Another difference is that the Echo previous generation had 7 discrete 
>> microphones. The new generation of Echo and Echo+ has 8. Tests have proven 
>> that this is quite an important addition. Even with music playing at a 
>> considerable volume, the Alexa interface can still detect your voice and 
>> comprehend your commands.
>> 
>> The processor in the new generation of Alexa-based devices has been 
>> upgraded. It now seems to be somewhat more responsive. This shows up most 
>> when you compare the new Echo and Echo+ to the second generation Echo Dot. 
>> But that doesn’t particularly worry me.
>> 
>> There are two reasons why I opted to go for the Echo+ rather than the Echo. 
>> Firstly, I’m not convinced that an upgrade, new for old, would have been 
>> particularly advantageous. The Echo+ has an 

Re: [Techno-Chat]: Amazon Echo Versus Echo+

[Dane Trethowan]

Interesting.

I've decided to hold back on any further Amazon Echo purchases until 
Amazon officially start their services in Australia, that won't be too 
much longer in coming.




On 11/15/2017 7:39 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
Just to clarify. I said that the audio hasn’t changed much. Not true. 
My error, when writing the message I posted a few moments ago, was 
that I forgot that I’d tried them both in the same room conditions 
previously, and noticed the difference. On my last test, I had them in 
totally separate rooms, which moves the goal posts. As I said below, 
the speakers have indeed been upgraded.


Regarding the Echo Show, I think that there are probably better ways 
of accomplishing an upgrade, without losing accessibility. Several 
manufacturers are now producing speaker products with Alexa built-in. 
So look around before buying an Echo Show.




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>
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On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:00, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal 
> wrote:


Hi there Gordon

Thanks for the review.

you have just helped me decide against getting the Show since it isn’t 
going to be all that useful to me.


Thanks again and keep it coming sur.

Regards.

Kulvinder Bhogal
E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com 
Facetime:kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
Skypename: bobba2006

On 9 Nov 2017, at 18:10, Gordon Smith > wrote:


Hello everybody

Yesterday I took delivery of my new Echo+, which has relegated the 
previous generation Echo to my bedside table, and my Echo Dot too my 
studio. Both will still be used a lot, so I’m not worried about that.


Downstairs, here in the lounge, the Echo+ now sits beside my 
multimedia equipment. So here are my initial impressions of the Echo+.


If you got your hands on an Echo+, and sat it beside an Echo, you 
wouldn’t be able to tell them apart. Not, at least, without examining 
the silicone sheet that they both sit upon. The power connectors are 
the same, but orientated at right-angles to one another. In the case 
of the Echo, the power connector protrudes from the back of the case, 
indented from the outer rim of the case. On the Echo+, the power 
connector is mounted on the rim of the case, and the indentation does 
not even exist.


In every other respect, the appearance of the two devices are 
absolutely identical.


Another difference is that the Echo previous generation had 7 
discrete microphones. The new generation of Echo and Echo+ has 8. 
Tests have proven that this is quite an important addition. Even with 
music playing at a considerable volume, the Alexa interface can still 
detect your voice and comprehend your commands.


The processor in the new generation of Alexa-based devices has been 
upgraded. It now seems to be somewhat more responsive. This shows up 
most when you compare the new Echo and Echo+ to the second generation 
Echo Dot. But that doesn’t particularly worry me.


There are two reasons why I opted to go for the Echo+ rather than the 
Echo. Firstly, I’m not convinced that an upgrade, new for old, would 
have been particularly advantageous. The Echo+ has an integrated 
Smart Hub, meaning that it’s no longer necessary to “bridge” an 
external hub to support those smart devices that need a hub. Not all 
of them do, of course.


But the real reason why I upgraded was the quality of the audio. The 
speaker system has been upgraded, and the audio is now much more rich 
at the top end, and deep at the lower end of the spectrum.


Setup was a piece of cake. Because I already have an Amazon account, 
the device was pre-registered for me. All I had to do was to set up 
the WiFi, Bluetooth® and Voice Remote, the latter of which I have 
hijacked from the Echo Dot, where it never really worked too well anyway.


I’ve only had the device for just over 24 hours. But really, 
configuration was like home from home. It took me no more than 2 
minutes in the Alexa app to get the thing set the way I wanted it set.


I’m not about to start raving about how good the device is. Yes, as I 
said, there are advantages. However, unless the quality of the audio 
in the previous generation Echo really grates you, (and I can’t 
imagine why it would), and unless you are particularly in need of a 
smart hub, it’s probably not worth upgrading. In actual fact, I’m not 
really 

Re: [Techno-Chat]: Amazon Echo Versus Echo+

[Gordon Smith]

Just to clarify. I said that the audio hasn’t changed much. Not true. My error, 
when writing the message I posted a few moments ago, was that I forgot that I’d 
tried them both in the same room conditions previously, and noticed the 
difference. On my last test, I had them in totally separate rooms, which moves 
the goal posts. As I said below, the speakers have indeed been upgraded.

Regarding the Echo Show, I think that there are probably better ways of 
accomplishing an upgrade, without losing accessibility. Several manufacturers 
are now producing speaker products with Alexa built-in. So look around before 
buying an Echo Show.



My compliments and kindest regards
Gordon Smith:

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On 10 Nov 2017, at 10:00, Kulvinder Singh Bhogal  
wrote:

Hi there Gordon

Thanks for the review.  

you have just helped me decide against getting the Show since it isn’t going to 
be all that useful to me.

Thanks again and keep it coming sur.

Regards.

Kulvinder Bhogal
E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com 
Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
Skypename: bobba2006

> On 9 Nov 2017, at 18:10, Gordon Smith  > wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> Yesterday I took delivery of my new Echo+, which has relegated the previous 
> generation Echo to my bedside table, and my Echo Dot too my studio. Both will 
> still be used a lot, so I’m not worried about that.
> 
> Downstairs, here in the lounge, the Echo+ now sits beside my multimedia 
> equipment. So here are my initial impressions of the Echo+.
> 
> If you got your hands on an Echo+, and sat it beside an Echo, you wouldn’t be 
> able to tell them apart. Not, at least, without examining the silicone sheet 
> that they both sit upon. The power connectors are the same, but orientated at 
> right-angles to one another. In the case of the Echo, the power connector 
> protrudes from the back of the case, indented from the outer rim of the case. 
> On the Echo+, the power connector is mounted on the rim of the case, and the 
> indentation does not even exist.
> 
> In every other respect, the appearance of the two devices are absolutely 
> identical.
> 
> Another difference is that the Echo previous generation had 7 discrete 
> microphones. The new generation of Echo and Echo+ has 8. Tests have proven 
> that this is quite an important addition. Even with music playing at a 
> considerable volume, the Alexa interface can still detect your voice and 
> comprehend your commands.
> 
> The processor in the new generation of Alexa-based devices has been upgraded. 
> It now seems to be somewhat more responsive. This shows up most when you 
> compare the new Echo and Echo+ to the second generation Echo Dot. But that 
> doesn’t particularly worry me.
> 
> There are two reasons why I opted to go for the Echo+ rather than the Echo. 
> Firstly, I’m not convinced that an upgrade, new for old, would have been 
> particularly advantageous. The Echo+ has an integrated Smart Hub, meaning 
> that it’s no longer necessary to “bridge” an external hub to support those 
> smart devices that need a hub. Not all of them do, of course.
> 
> But the real reason why I upgraded was the quality of the audio. The speaker 
> system has been upgraded, and the audio is now much more rich at the top end, 
> and deep at the lower end of the spectrum.
> 
> Setup was a piece of cake. Because I already have an Amazon account, the 
> device was pre-registered for me. All I had to do was to set up the WiFi, 
> Bluetooth® and Voice Remote, the latter of which I have hijacked from the 
> Echo Dot, where it never really worked too well anyway.
> 
> I’ve only had the device for just over 24 hours. But really, configuration 
> was like home from home. It took me no more than 2 minutes in the Alexa app 
> to get the thing set the way I wanted it set.
> 
> I’m not about to start raving about how good the device is. Yes, as I said, 
> there are advantages. However, unless the quality of the audio in the 
> previous generation Echo really grates you, (and I can’t imagine why it 
> would), and unless you are particularly in need of a smart hub, it’s probably 
> not worth upgrading. In actual fact, I’m not really sure why Amazon bothered 
> with the Echo upgrade. As in the Echo, not the Echo+. Upgrading from the 
> previous generation Echo which, I think, was the second generation to the 
> current 

Re: [Techno-Chat]: Amazon Echo Versus Echo+

[Kulvinder Singh Bhogal]

Hi there Gordon

Thanks for the review.  

you have just helped me decide against getting the Show since it isn’t going to 
be all that useful to me.

Thanks again and keep it coming sur.

Regards.

Kulvinder Bhogal
E-mail: kbhog...@btinternet.com
Facetime: kulvinder.bho...@techie.com 
Skypename: bobba2006

> On 9 Nov 2017, at 18:10, Gordon Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> Yesterday I took delivery of my new Echo+, which has relegated the previous 
> generation Echo to my bedside table, and my Echo Dot too my studio. Both will 
> still be used a lot, so I’m not worried about that.
> 
> Downstairs, here in the lounge, the Echo+ now sits beside my multimedia 
> equipment. So here are my initial impressions of the Echo+.
> 
> If you got your hands on an Echo+, and sat it beside an Echo, you wouldn’t be 
> able to tell them apart. Not, at least, without examining the silicone sheet 
> that they both sit upon. The power connectors are the same, but orientated at 
> right-angles to one another. In the case of the Echo, the power connector 
> protrudes from the back of the case, indented from the outer rim of the case. 
> On the Echo+, the power connector is mounted on the rim of the case, and the 
> indentation does not even exist.
> 
> In every other respect, the appearance of the two devices are absolutely 
> identical.
> 
> Another difference is that the Echo previous generation had 7 discrete 
> microphones. The new generation of Echo and Echo+ has 8. Tests have proven 
> that this is quite an important addition. Even with music playing at a 
> considerable volume, the Alexa interface can still detect your voice and 
> comprehend your commands.
> 
> The processor in the new generation of Alexa-based devices has been upgraded. 
> It now seems to be somewhat more responsive. This shows up most when you 
> compare the new Echo and Echo+ to the second generation Echo Dot. But that 
> doesn’t particularly worry me.
> 
> There are two reasons why I opted to go for the Echo+ rather than the Echo. 
> Firstly, I’m not convinced that an upgrade, new for old, would have been 
> particularly advantageous. The Echo+ has an integrated Smart Hub, meaning 
> that it’s no longer necessary to “bridge” an external hub to support those 
> smart devices that need a hub. Not all of them do, of course.
> 
> But the real reason why I upgraded was the quality of the audio. The speaker 
> system has been upgraded, and the audio is now much more rich at the top end, 
> and deep at the lower end of the spectrum.
> 
> Setup was a piece of cake. Because I already have an Amazon account, the 
> device was pre-registered for me. All I had to do was to set up the WiFi, 
> Bluetooth® and Voice Remote, the latter of which I have hijacked from the 
> Echo Dot, where it never really worked too well anyway.
> 
> I’ve only had the device for just over 24 hours. But really, configuration 
> was like home from home. It took me no more than 2 minutes in the Alexa app 
> to get the thing set the way I wanted it set.
> 
> I’m not about to start raving about how good the device is. Yes, as I said, 
> there are advantages. However, unless the quality of the audio in the 
> previous generation Echo really grates you, (and I can’t imagine why it 
> would), and unless you are particularly in need of a smart hub, it’s probably 
> not worth upgrading. In actual fact, I’m not really sure why Amazon bothered 
> with the Echo upgrade. As in the Echo, not the Echo+. Upgrading from the 
> previous generation Echo which, I think, was the second generation to the 
> current generation Echo is, to my mind, completely vacuous. I had originally 
> planned to go for an Echo Sow. But I bottled out because of the possibility 
> that some of the more used commands might have been visual. But that is 
> apparently not the case. Amazon tell me that although their quick start guide 
> discusses setup using the touch screen, it can in fact be performed using the 
> Alexa app just like any other echo.
> 
> Thereafter, the Touch screen is an optional extra. The primary use of the 
> screen is just to display video content. There is also a 5MP camera which can 
> be used for video calls and chat. The Show has twin 4.9-Inch woofers, and 
> twin side-facing tweeters which, if memory serves, are 2.6-inch. It also uses 
> ambient audio, meaning it adjusts the audio to suit the characteristics of 
> the room in which it is in use. This is one facet which it shares with the 
> Google Home Max.
> 
> Whether I decide to go for a Show at a later date is, at this time, very much 
> in the lap of the gods. But I would doubt it. I think that their are other 
> options which, were I in the market for another speaker system, I would opt 
> for in preference to the Echo Show.
> 
> Just my thoughts, for whatever they’re worth.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My compliments and kindest regards
> Gordon