Re: Live media changes systemtime to UTC
Hi, I did not change the system away from UTC. I loaded the Live media, not an install, still boot the usb iso, then shutdown and started Windows 8.1. Windows 8.1 showed after the short boot of Live Media (not install!) a to UTC changed system time. There is a different time handling in Windows and the F22 Live media. When I have F22 on my external disk, normal install not touching time handling and boot the external disk, the system time remains unchanged. How it is wth a DVD iso, so far I didn't test. Kind Regards -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Gavin Flower gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz An: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases test@lists.fedoraproject.org Verschickt: Fr, 29 Mai 2015 10:28 pm Betreff: Re: Live media changes systemtime to UTC On 30/05/15 04:59, Joerg Lechner wrote: Hi, I add this comment about F22 here, even when F22 is now distributed as final, because I think this problem will also occur in F23. When I load the F22 Final Live Medium (Workstation x86_64) via USB stick to the laptop the system time is permanently changed to UTC. The Live medium is produced via the F22 liveUSB Creator. There was a similar problem in F20 or F21, I don't remember exactly. Kind Regards The system should ALWAYS be in UTC (also known as GMT)! It should NEVER be changed to local time. Each user can set their own time zone, so there is no need to change the system away from UTC. Cheers, Gavin -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Live media changes systemtime to UTC
Hi I just saw in a live end message F20 an unclosed bug for this problem https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1018162 dealing with DVD iso. So the problem was in F20, in F21 I did not see this (but it may be, that it was also in F21, I don't know), in F22 the problem occurs again. For F22 I submitted Bug 1226427 I think it's duplicate of 1018162 F20. Kind Regards -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Gavin Flower gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz An: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases test@lists.fedoraproject.org Verschickt: Fr, 29 Mai 2015 10:28 pm Betreff: Re: Live media changes systemtime to UTC On 30/05/15 04:59, Joerg Lechner wrote: Hi, I add this comment about F22 here, even when F22 is now distributed as final, because I think this problem will also occur in F23. When I load the F22 Final Live Medium (Workstation x86_64) via USB stick to the laptop the system time is permanently changed to UTC. The Live medium is produced via the F22 liveUSB Creator. There was a similar problem in F20 or F21, I don't remember exactly. Kind Regards The system should ALWAYS be in UTC (also known as GMT)! It should NEVER be changed to local time. Each user can set their own time zone, so there is no need to change the system away from UTC. Cheers, Gavin -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Live media changes systemtime to UTC
Hi, just have tested this problem on F21: Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5.iso. this problem does not occur with Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21-5.iso. To make a resume: Only loading a Fedora live media iso, also not installing these media, leads to a change of system time to UTC, tested via booting Windows 8.1 afterwards, - in F20 LXDE i686 and - in F22 Workstation x86_64 but not - in F21 Workstation x86_64 For me it seems an error occured in F20 was corrected in F21 and occurs again in F22 Kind Regards -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Gavin Flower gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz An: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases test@lists.fedoraproject.org Verschickt: Fr, 29 Mai 2015 10:28 pm Betreff: Re: Live media changes systemtime to UTC On 30/05/15 04:59, Joerg Lechner wrote: Hi, I add this comment about F22 here, even when F22 is now distributed as final, because I think this problem will also occur in F23. When I load the F22 Final Live Medium (Workstation x86_64) via USB stick to the laptop the system time is permanently changed to UTC. The Live medium is produced via the F22 liveUSB Creator. There was a similar problem in F20 or F21, I don't remember exactly. Kind Regards The system should ALWAYS be in UTC (also known as GMT)! It should NEVER be changed to local time. Each user can set their own time zone, so there is no need to change the system away from UTC. Cheers, Gavin -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Live media changes systemtime to UTC
Hi, I add this comment about F22 here, even when F22 is now distributed as final, because I think this problem will also occur in F23. When I load the F22 Final Live Medium (Workstation x86_64) via USB stick to the laptop the system time is permanently changed to UTC. The Live medium is produced via the F22 liveUSB Creator. There was a similar problem in F20 or F21, I don't remember exactly. Kind Regards -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Live media changes systemtime to UTC
Hi, submitted Bug 1226427 Kind Regards When I load the F22 Final Live Medium (Workstation x86_64) via USB stick to the laptop the system time is permanently changed to UTC. The Live medium is produced via the F22 liveUSB Creator. There was a similar problem in F20 or F21, I don't remember exactly. -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Joerg Lechner julech...@aol.com An: test test@lists.fedoraproject.org Verschickt: Fr, 29 Mai 2015 6:59 pm Betreff: Live media changes systemtime to UTC Hi, I add this comment about F22 here, even when F22 is now distributed as final, because I think this problem will also occur in F23. When I load the F22 Final Live Medium (Workstation x86_64) via USB stick to the laptop the system time is permanently changed to UTC. The Live medium is produced via the F22 liveUSB Creator. There was a similar problem in F20 or F21, I don't remember exactly. Kind Regards -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Live media changes systemtime to UTC
On 05/29/2015 10:27 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: The system should ALWAYS be in UTC (also known as GMT)! It should NEVER be changed to local time. You are ignoring the fact, that other OSes require the RTC to be set to local time and do *NOT SUPPORT* RTC set to UTC. = Fedora cannot avoid having to support RTC in local time if Fedora is supposed to be installable in parallel to such other OSes. Ralf -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Live media changes systemtime to UTC
On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 08:27:43 +1200, Gavin Flower gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz wrote: On 30/05/15 04:59, Joerg Lechner wrote: Hi, I add this comment about F22 here, even when F22 is now distributed as final, because I think this problem will also occur in F23. When I load the F22 Final Live Medium (Workstation x86_64) via USB stick to the laptop the system time is permanently changed to UTC. The Live medium is produced via the F22 liveUSB Creator. There was a similar problem in F20 or F21, I don't remember exactly. Kind Regards The system should ALWAYS be in UTC (also known as GMT)! Arguably it should be TAI or GPS as leap seconds cause problems similar to DST changes in that it is hard to tell if the clock has been adjusted already after a change. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Live media changes systemtime to UTC
On 30/05/15 04:59, Joerg Lechner wrote: Hi, I add this comment about F22 here, even when F22 is now distributed as final, because I think this problem will also occur in F23. When I load the F22 Final Live Medium (Workstation x86_64) via USB stick to the laptop the system time is permanently changed to UTC. The Live medium is produced via the F22 liveUSB Creator. There was a similar problem in F20 or F21, I don't remember exactly. Kind Regards The system should ALWAYS be in UTC (also known as GMT)! It should NEVER be changed to local time. Each user can set their own time zone, so there is no need to change the system away from UTC. Cheers, Gavin -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
