Re: [Tex-music] experiments with moving dots

2016-08-06 Thread Don Simons 
No explanation or fix yet. It looks like PMX is getting confused about which 
dot to move. Must be related to the fact that the G was automagically moved to 
the left because of the A in the chord. You could take advantage of that and 
enter “g43d zad+0+1 zcd” to move the g dot 1 notehead width to the right. That 
would line them up like  Jean-Pierre wants. But that’s obviously not a very 
good long-term solution. Stay tuned.

 

--Don

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:34 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive 
Subject: [Tex-music] experiments with moving dots

 

Hi Don, 

some more observations on moving dots.

 

%Software : PMX
%Part P1 : 
%
%
% nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
 2 1 4 4 4 4 0 -1
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent 
 0 4 16 0.07
Piano
bt
./
Tt
The Girl from Ipanema
Tc
Antonio Carlos Jobim
Abep
AK
% Bar 72
a4d2 a8 e4 e+ | /
r2b r8 g43d zad zcd | //
g83 a cn { e e2 } | /


initial situation: g-dot partially covered by a-note
===

%Software : PMX
%Part P1 : 
%
%
% nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
 2 1 4 4 4 4 0 -1
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent 
 0 4 16 0.07
Piano
bt
./
Tt
The Girl from Ipanema
Tc
Antonio Carlos Jobim
Abep
AK
% Bar 72
a4d2 a8 e4 e+ | /
r2b r8 g43d-2 zad zcd | //
g83 a cn { e e2 } | /


looks like the a-dot has moved, but I wanted to move the g-dot
===
%Software : PMX
%Part P1 : 
%
%
% nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
 2 1 4 4 4 4 0 -1
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent 
 0 4 16 0.07
Piano
bt
./
Tt
The Girl from Ipanema
Tc
Antonio Carlos Jobim
Abep
AK
% Bar 72
a4d2 a8 e4 e+ | /
r2b r8 g43d zad-2 zcd | //
g83 a cn { e e2 } | /


looks like the g-dot has moved


%Software : PMX
%Part P1 : 
%
%
% nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
 2 1 4 4 4 4 0 -1
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent 
 0 4 16 0.07
Piano
bt
./
Tt
The Girl from Ipanema
Tc
Antonio Carlos Jobim
Abep
AK
% Bar 72
a4d2 a8 e4 e+ | /
r2b r8 g43d zad zcd-2 | //
g83 a cn { e e2 } | /


look like the c-dot has moved over the a dot
===

Do you have an explanation?

Thanks and regards,
Dieter

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Re: [Tex-music] experiments with moving dots

2016-08-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Coulon 
In my view we should have 3 vertically-aligned  dots at notes N, b and 
d.


Bye,

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[Tex-music] experiments with moving dots

2016-08-06 Thread Dieter 

Hi Don,

some more observations on moving dots.

%Software : PMX
%Part P1 :
%
%
% nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
 2 1 4 4 4 4 0 -1
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
 0 4 16 0.07
Piano
bt
./
Tt
The Girl from Ipanema
Tc
Antonio Carlos Jobim
Abep
AK
% Bar 72
a4d2 a8 e4 e+ | /
r2b r8 g43d zad zcd | //
g83 a cn { e e2 } | /


initial situation: g-dot partially covered by a-note
===

%Software : PMX
%Part P1 :
%
%
% nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
 2 1 4 4 4 4 0 -1
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
 0 4 16 0.07
Piano
bt
./
Tt
The Girl from Ipanema
Tc
Antonio Carlos Jobim
Abep
AK
% Bar 72
a4d2 a8 e4 e+ | /
r2b r8 g43d-2 zad zcd | //
g83 a cn { e e2 } | /


looks like the a-dot has moved, but I wanted to move the g-dot
===
%Software : PMX
%Part P1 :
%
%
% nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
 2 1 4 4 4 4 0 -1
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
 0 4 16 0.07
Piano
bt
./
Tt
The Girl from Ipanema
Tc
Antonio Carlos Jobim
Abep
AK
% Bar 72
a4d2 a8 e4 e+ | /
r2b r8 g43d zad-2 zcd | //
g83 a cn { e e2 } | /


looks like the g-dot has moved


%Software : PMX
%Part P1 :
%
%
% nv,noinst,mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
 2 1 4 4 4 4 0 -1
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
 0 4 16 0.07
Piano
bt
./
Tt
The Girl from Ipanema
Tc
Antonio Carlos Jobim
Abep
AK
% Bar 72
a4d2 a8 e4 e+ | /
r2b r8 g43d zad zcd-2 | //
g83 a cn { e e2 } | /


look like the c-dot has moved over the a dot
===

Do you have an explanation?

Thanks and regards,
Dieter
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Re: [Tex-music] Shifting dots

2016-08-06 Thread maurizio .mau. codogno 
Usually the conversion from :-) to an emotional which in turn becomes J is
the fault of Outlook :)

Ciao, .mau.

Il sab 6 ago 2016, 18:28 Jean-Pierre Coulon  ha scritto:

> On Sat, 6 Aug 2016, Don Simons wrote:
>
> > Dieter, don?t get the wrong idea from Dirk?s link to the definition of
> RTFM.
> > I?m always happy to answer any questions about PMX. If the answer is
> already
> > in the manual, it gives me pleasure to point that out.
>
> > The ?J? was a smiley face symbol that I entered as ? : - ) ? (with no
> quotes
> > or spaces). It looked like a smiley face when I sent it, but must have
> > gotten converted to a ?J? somewhere along the way.
>
> Perhaps you would avoid such trouble avoiding to sent mails in html
> format. See how I see your quote signs. The :-) sequence is well known
> nowadays. :-)
>
> Jean-Pierre Coulon
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Re: [Tex-music] Shifting dots

2016-08-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Coulon 

On Sat, 6 Aug 2016, Don Simons wrote:


Dieter, don?t get the wrong idea from Dirk?s link to the definition of RTFM.
I?m always happy to answer any questions about PMX. If the answer is already
in the manual, it gives me pleasure to point that out.



The ?J? was a smiley face symbol that I entered as ? : - ) ? (with no quotes
or spaces). It looked like a smiley face when I sent it, but must have
gotten converted to a ?J? somewhere along the way.


Perhaps you would avoid such trouble avoiding to sent mails in html
format. See how I see your quote signs. The :-) sequence is well known 
nowadays. :-)


Jean-Pierre Coulon
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Re: [Tex-music] Shifting dots

2016-08-06 Thread Don Simons 
Dieter, don’t get the wrong idea from Dirk’s link to the definition of RTFM.
I’m always happy to answer any questions about PMX. If the answer is already
in the manual, it gives me pleasure to point that out.

 

The “J” was a smiley face symbol that I entered as “ : - ) “ (with no quotes
or spaces). It looked like a smiley face when I sent it, but must have
gotten converted to a “J” somewhere along the way. 

 

--Don

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 12:59 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Shifting dots

 

Hi Don and Bob,

thanks for your help. The solution works nicely. It was not obvious to me to
first  augment the z-notes with a "d".

Sorry for the "50 mm" height.

May I ask: What is an RTFM J?

Regards Dieter

Am 05.08.2016 um 17:59 schrieb Don Simons:

That’s an easy one, basically an RTFM :)

 

%[+4 c84 ze zgf zb zc {0 c84 ] {1 ze {2 zg {3 zb {4 zc c2d4 }0 ze }1 zg }2
zb }3 zc }4 | /

[+4 c84 ze zgf zb zc {0 c84 ] {1 ze {2 zg {3 zb {4 zc c24d-2 }0 zed-2 }1
zgd-2 }2 zbd-2 }3 zc }4 | /

 

There are some wrinkles, though. To move a dot, there must be an explicit
“d” (even on a chord note), and the vertical shift must be the next number
after the “d”. So that may conflict with your default way of explicitly
indicating the octave.

 

The default position of dots within a staff is always in a space. If the
note is on a line, the default is to move the dot up. That’s why all dots
except the one on the c5 were moved, and also why the downward shift has to
be closer to 2 than 1.

 

Why in the world did you set the page height to 50 mm? That caused my first
page to be blank when I viewed this with Ghostview.

 

--Don Simons

 

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:01 AM
To: tex-music@tug.org  
Subject: [Tex-music] Shifting dots

 

Hi all, 

in the last chord of the PMX example below the dots are not well positioned.





I would like to shift the dots for c4,e4,g4-flat and b4 a little bit
downwords.

I tried  the recommendations of Cornelius Noack, but they do not seem to
work.

I also wonder why the dot for c5 is on the same level of the note whereas
all the others are higher.

Any body got an idea?

Thanks and regards,
Dieter









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Re: [Tex-music] Shifting dots

2016-08-06 Thread Dieter 

Hi Don and Bob,

thanks for your help. The solution works nicely. It was not obvious to 
me to first  augment the z-notes with a "d".


Sorry for the "50 mm" height.

May I ask: What is an RTFM J?

Regards Dieter

Am 05.08.2016 um 17:59 schrieb Don Simons:


That’s an easy one, basically an RTFM J

%[+4 c84 ze zgf zb zc {0 c84 ] {1 ze {2 zg {3 zb {4 zc c2d4 }0 ze }1 
zg }2 zb }3 zc }4 | /


[+4 c84 ze zgf zb zc {0 c84 ] {1 ze {2 zg {3 zb {4 zc c24d-2 }0 zed-2 
}1 zgd-2 }2 zbd-2 }3 zc }4 | /


There are some wrinkles, though. To move a dot, there must be an 
explicit “d” (even on a chord note), and the vertical shift must be 
the next number after the “d”. So that may conflict with your default 
way of explicitly indicating the octave.


The default position of dots within a staff is always in a space. If 
the note is on a line, the default is to move the dot up. That’s why 
all dots except the one on the c5 were moved, and also why the 
downward shift has to be closer to 2 than 1.


Why in the world did you set the page height to 50 mm? That caused my 
first page to be blank when I viewed this with Ghostview.


--Don Simons

*From:*TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] *On Behalf Of *Dieter
*Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 8:01 AM
*To:* tex-music@tug.org
*Subject:* [Tex-music] Shifting dots

Hi all,

in the last chord of the PMX example below the dots are not well 
positioned.






I would like to shift the dots for c4,e4,g4-flat and b4 a little bit 
downwords.


I tried  the recommendations of Cornelius Noack, but they do not seem 
to work.


I also wonder why the dot for c5 is on the same level of the note 
whereas all the others are higher.


Any body got an idea?

Thanks and regards,
Dieter



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