[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project on indefinite hold

[Marvin & Lisa]

Cavers,

 

I have taken a temporary work assignment in Nashville, TN. The contract will
last at least through the end of the year, maybe longer. I am taking my
family with me but we are keeping our house in Spring Branch and hope to
return and be Texas residents again. Until I return the Government Canyon
Karst Survey Project will be on hiatus. If any of you regulars out there
have an ongoing project at the Canyon that you would like to finish in the
meantime please contact me and I will arrange things with park management. I
will continue to monitor this e-mail address and texascavers.

 

There's some good caving to be done around Nashville, I hear.

 

See you all at the convention.

 

Marvin Miller

Re: [Texascavers] Old Laws

[Bill Bentley]

Ahh Nico, living dangerously I see
:)

Bill
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nico Escamilla 
  To: Minton, Mark 
  Cc: Cavers Texas 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Old Laws


  this is part of what I read on one of the links Mr. Minton provided,  this 
law should still be enforced :-P

  And in Memphis, Tennessee, women can't drive a car unless there is a man with 
a red flag in front of the car warning the other people on the road.



  On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Minton, Mark  wrote:

  Nico said:

>I dont belive the Mexican government is famous for keeping their websites 
up to date.

  Or their laws.  No government is.  Periodically there are lists 
published of antiquated laws in the U. S., like some state still requiring a 
man running ahead of a motor car to warn people of its approach.  Once a law is 
no longer meaningful, it usually just gets forgotten rather than rescinded.  
That is, until some high profile case comes along where someone influential 
gets caught by one.  A quick Google search for antiquated laws brought up 
these:  , 
, 
.

Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] Old Laws

[Nico Escamilla]

this is part of what I read on one of the links Mr. Minton provided,  this
law should still be enforced :-P
*
And in Memphis, Tennessee, women can't drive a car unless there is a man
with a red flag in front of the car warning the other people on the road.*


On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Minton, Mark  wrote:

>Nico said:
>
> >I dont belive the Mexican government is famous for keeping their websites
> up to date.
>
>   Or their laws.  No government is.  Periodically there are lists
> published of antiquated laws in the U. S., like some state still requiring a
> man running ahead of a motor car to warn people of its approach.  Once a law
> is no longer meaningful, it usually just gets forgotten rather than
> rescinded.  That is, until some high profile case comes along where someone
> influential gets caught by one.  A quick Google search for antiquated laws
> brought up these:  <
> http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-articles/article13758.html>, <
> http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1998/oct/10-01-98/news/news13.html>, <
> http://www.raptureready.com/humor/hb435.html>.
>
> Mark Minton
>

[Texascavers] Old Laws

[Minton, Mark]

  Nico said:

>I dont belive the Mexican government is famous for keeping their websites up 
>to date.

  Or their laws.  No government is.  Periodically there are lists published 
of antiquated laws in the U. S., like some state still requiring a man running 
ahead of a motor car to warn people of its approach.  Once a law is no longer 
meaningful, it usually just gets forgotten rather than rescinded.  That is, 
until some high profile case comes along where someone influential gets caught 
by one.  A quick Google search for antiquated laws brought up these:  
, 
, 
.

Mark Minton

Re: [NMCAVER] Mexico Vehicle Permits

[Scott Christenson]

I've crossed into Mexico at several different crossings, including
Brownsville-Matamoros, McAllen-Reynosa, Laredo-Nuevo Laredo, and Eagle
Pass-Piedras Negras. There were different degrees of difficulty at each
crossing. Far and away the easiest crossing was at Eagle Pass-Piedras
Negras, which we did in January of this year (2008). We simply drove across
the border, drove through Piedras Negras, and did all our paperwork in
Allende, about 45 minutes south of the border. There wasn't a crowd, the
Mexican officials were quite helpful (which isn't always the case), and the
whole process took about 30 minutes. Returning to the US on the same route,
it took about 10 minutes to return our vehicle import permits. Highway 57
out of Allende is also an excellent road.

I live in Albuquerque so we considered going to the consulate, but that
certainly would have taken more time. I also looked at the Aduana web site
but the translation seemed less than perfect, and I wasn't certain if I
really was completing the process correctly. Going through Allende gets my
vote when that crossing fits your destination.

Scott Christenson

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Minton, Mark  wrote:

> From the March 18 Pajarito Grotto meeting minutes:
>
> >James reports that we can go to the Mexican Consulate in Albuquerque to
> pick up vehicle importing stickers now, so we don't have to wait at the
> border crossing with all the paperwork.
>
>   It's apparently even easier than that.  It looks like you can apply
> for your vehicle permit by Internet and have it mailed to you!  See <
> http://www.aduanas.sat.gob.mx/aduana_mexico/2008/index.html>.  Click on
> English at the top, then select Passengers arriving by land, then Where can
> you obtain the permit? and How much does it cost and how do I pay?.  It
> costs more at the consulates than at the border, and even more by Internet,
> but I think the time saved would be well worth it.
> Mark Minton
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican car papers

[Nico Escamilla]

I'm believe this means child pornography/nudity and/or depictions of child
abuse.
Garbage Pail kids being an 80s phenomenon, well.. I dont belive the Mexican
government
is famous for keeping their websites up to date.

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Diana Tomchick <
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:

> Nico,
>
> Maybe you can explain something that's puzzling to me. When I went to
> the aduana web site, I clicked on the link "Which goods are
> prohibited?" and found something unexpected listed along with all the
> illegal drugs, fish, turtle eggs and insecticide (make of that
> mixture what you will).
>
> "Stamps or printed transfers in colors or in black and white,
> displayed for their sale in envelopes or packages, even when they
> include chewing gum, candies or any other type of articles,
> containing drawings, figures or illustrations that represent
> childhood in a degrading or ridiculous way, on attitudes of
> incitement to violence, to self-destruction or in any other form of
> antisocial behavior, known like Garbage Pail Kids, for example,
> printed by any company or commercial denomination."
>
> ? The Garbage Pail Kids phenomenon in this country was so over by the
> late 1980's.
>
> Diana
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote:
>
> > While internet return might be simpler, what the mexican government
> > really wants by asking you to turn your permits in, is to make sure
> > that the vehicle gets out of the country/does not stay in Mexico so
> > I dont think internet returns will be possible any time in the near
> > future.
> > Nico
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Louise Power
> >  wrote:
> > Actually, Bill, internet return might even be simpler. There could
> > just be a place or form on line where you entered your permit
> > number and they could cancel that particular permit electronically.
> > You couldn't ever use that number again. Whatta you think?
> >
> > > From: bmixon...@austin.rr.com
> > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:09:24 -0500
> > > Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican car papers
> >
> > >
> > > Yes, turning in the car permit is a major pain. The that the
> > place you
> > > turn it in is sometimes not on the direct line to the border
> > crossing.
> > > But a bigger problem for cavers who go to Mexico frequently is
> > that it
> > > is hard to tell whether the current trip is the last one you'll want
> > > to make during the permit period. I and others from Texas have
> > had to
> > > make special trips down to the border just to return a permit that
> > > they had kept, expecting to get another caving trip out of it. This
> > > isn't a problem for the tourist from Chicago making his once-in-a-
> > > lifetime trip to Mexico, but it is a nuisance for people closer to
> > > Mexico.
> > >
> > > I suppose it would be impractical for them to allow you to turn
> > in car
> > > papers at a consulate, because somebody would have to go to wherever
> > > you parked to see that the car was actually back in the States.
> > And of
> > > course Internet return completely impossible. -- Mixon
> > > --
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican car papers

[Diana Tomchick]

Nico,

Maybe you can explain something that's puzzling to me. When I went to  
the aduana web site, I clicked on the link "Which goods are  
prohibited?" and found something unexpected listed along with all the  
illegal drugs, fish, turtle eggs and insecticide (make of that  
mixture what you will).


"Stamps or printed transfers in colors or in black and white,  
displayed for their sale in envelopes or packages, even when they  
include chewing gum, candies or any other type of articles,  
containing drawings, figures or illustrations that represent  
childhood in a degrading or ridiculous way, on attitudes of  
incitement to violence, to self-destruction or in any other form of  
antisocial behavior, known like Garbage Pail Kids, for example,  
printed by any company or commercial denomination."


? The Garbage Pail Kids phenomenon in this country was so over by the  
late 1980's.


Diana


On Mar 19, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote:

While internet return might be simpler, what the mexican government  
really wants by asking you to turn your permits in, is to make sure  
that the vehicle gets out of the country/does not stay in Mexico so  
I dont think internet returns will be possible any time in the near  
future.

Nico

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Louise Power  
 wrote:
Actually, Bill, internet return might even be simpler. There could  
just be a place or form on line where you entered your permit  
number and they could cancel that particular permit electronically.  
You couldn't ever use that number again. Whatta you think?


> From: bmixon...@austin.rr.com
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:09:24 -0500
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican car papers

>
> Yes, turning in the car permit is a major pain. The that the  
place you
> turn it in is sometimes not on the direct line to the border  
crossing.
> But a bigger problem for cavers who go to Mexico frequently is  
that it

> is hard to tell whether the current trip is the last one you'll want
> to make during the permit period. I and others from Texas have  
had to

> make special trips down to the border just to return a permit that
> they had kept, expecting to get another caving trip out of it. This
> isn't a problem for the tourist from Chicago making his once-in-a-
> lifetime trip to Mexico, but it is a nuisance for people closer to
> Mexico.
>
> I suppose it would be impractical for them to allow you to turn  
in car

> papers at a consulate, because somebody would have to go to wherever
> you parked to see that the car was actually back in the States.  
And of

> course Internet return completely impossible. -- Mixon
> --
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexico Vehicle Permits

[David Ochel]

Hi,

The last time I was at the Mexican consulate in Austin to get a car  
permit (before Christmas, long wait), there was also an official  
running around whose sole job seemed to be canceling permits. There  
was a (short) line of cars outside of the consulate getting their  
permits canceled. If you make sure your permit it valid for half a  
year when it's being issued, this should make it way easier for people  
living near a consulate and going to Mexico often. Spend an hour or a  
few at the consulate twice a year, and you are all set.


Cheers,
David

Quoting "Minton, Mark"  at Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:33:01  
-0400 in <3EC5D1CB-EA78-41C7-A0D8-D09EE5A192B5@mimectl>:


  James Hunter of the Pajarito Grotto in New Mexico says that   
they can now get vehicle permits and windshield stickers for Mexico   
at the Mexican Consulate in Albuquerque.  That is apparently also   
true in Austin and Dallas.  That would be a tremendous time saver at  
 the border.  Even better, it looks like you can apply for your   
vehicle permit by Internet and have it mailed to you!  See   
.
Click on English at the top, then select Passengers arriving by   
land, then Where can you obtain the permit? and How much does it   
cost and how do I pay?.  It costs more at the consulates than at the  
 border, and even more by Internet, but I think the time saved would  
 be well worth it.


Mark Minton






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[Texascavers] more Robosherpa

[Nico Escamilla]

More info about this great "pack animal"
HERE
and this is related to caving cause it might one day become available for
the public
and cavers could buy one to carry expedition gear to remote places.

[Texascavers] Robo Sherpa

[Nico Escamilla]

Good ole Robo Sherpa (funded by DARPA) made it to The Goat Blog.
LINK

[Texascavers] RE: Mexican car papers

[Minton, Mark]

  Louise Power said:

>Actually, Bill, internet return might even be simpler. There could just be a 
>place or form on line where you entered your permit number and they could 
>cancel that particular permit electronically. You couldn't ever use that 
>number again. Whatta you think?

  It doesn't work that way.  The whole point of the Mexican customs agent 
removing the sticker is so they can verify that you brought your vehicle back 
out of Mexico.  For the same reason you can't remove it yourself and take it to 
customs, or mail it back.  They want to be the ones who remove it from the car 
to see for themselves that the car actually leaves Mexico.

Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] Mexican car papers

[Nico Escamilla]

While internet return might be simpler, what the mexican government really
wants by asking you to turn your permits in, is to make sure that the
vehicle gets out of the country/does not stay in Mexico so I dont think
internet returns will be possible any time in the near future.
Nico

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Louise Power 
wrote:

>  Actually, Bill, internet return might even be simpler. There could just
> be a place or form on line where you entered your permit number and they
> could cancel that particular permit electronically. You couldn't ever use
> that number again. Whatta you think?
>
> > From: bmixon...@austin.rr.com
> > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:09:24 -0500
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Mexican car papers
>
> >
> > Yes, turning in the car permit is a major pain. The that the place you
> > turn it in is sometimes not on the direct line to the border crossing.
> > But a bigger problem for cavers who go to Mexico frequently is that it
> > is hard to tell whether the current trip is the last one you'll want
> > to make during the permit period. I and others from Texas have had to
> > make special trips down to the border just to return a permit that
> > they had kept, expecting to get another caving trip out of it. This
> > isn't a problem for the tourist from Chicago making his once-in-a-
> > lifetime trip to Mexico, but it is a nuisance for people closer to
> > Mexico.
> >
> > I suppose it would be impractical for them to allow you to turn in car
> > papers at a consulate, because somebody would have to go to wherever
> > you parked to see that the car was actually back in the States. And of
> > course Internet return completely impossible. -- Mixon
> > --
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RE: [Texascavers] Mexican car papers

[Louise Power]

Actually, Bill, internet return might even be simpler. There could just be a 
place or form on line where you entered your permit number and they could 
cancel that particular permit electronically. You couldn't ever use that number 
again. Whatta you think? > From: bmixon...@austin.rr.com> To: 
texascavers@texascavers.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:09:24 -0500> Subject: 
[Texascavers] Mexican car papers> > Yes, turning in the car permit is a major 
pain. The that the place you > turn it in is sometimes not on the direct line 
to the border crossing. > But a bigger problem for cavers who go to Mexico 
frequently is that it > is hard to tell whether the current trip is the last 
one you'll want > to make during the permit period. I and others from Texas 
have had to > make special trips down to the border just to return a permit 
that > they had kept, expecting to get another caving trip out of it. This > 
isn't a problem for the tourist from Chicago making his once-in-a- > lifetime 
trip to Mexico, but it is a nuisance for people closer to > Mexico.> > I 
suppose it would be impractical for them to allow you to turn in car > papers 
at a consulate, because somebody would have to go to wherever > you parked to 
see that the car was actually back in the States. And of > course Internet 
return completely impossible. -- Mixon> 
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[Texascavers] Mexican car papers

[Mixon Bill]

Yes, turning in the car permit is a major pain. The that the place you  
turn it in is sometimes not on the direct line to the border crossing.  
But a bigger problem for cavers who go to Mexico frequently is that it  
is hard to tell whether the current trip is the last one you'll want  
to make during the permit period. I and others from Texas have had to  
make special trips down to the border just to return a permit that  
they had kept, expecting to get another caving trip out of it. This  
isn't a problem for the tourist from Chicago making his once-in-a- 
lifetime trip to Mexico, but it is a nuisance for people closer to  
Mexico.


I suppose it would be impractical for them to allow you to turn in car  
papers at a consulate, because somebody would have to go to wherever  
you parked to see that the car was actually back in the States. And of  
course Internet return completely impossible. -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexico Vehicle Permits

[Nico Escamilla]

You do have to make sure your previous permit was turned in when it expired,
that seems
to be the main source of headaches at the border crossing from what I've
heard.
Nico

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Minton, Mark  wrote:

>James Hunter of the Pajarito Grotto in New Mexico says that they
> can now get vehicle permits and windshield stickers for Mexico at the
> Mexican Consulate in Albuquerque.  That is apparently also true in Austin
> and Dallas.  That would be a tremendous time saver at the border.  Even
> better, it looks like you can apply for your vehicle permit by Internet and
> have it mailed to you!  See <
> http://www.aduanas.sat.gob.mx/aduana_mexico/2008/index.html>.  Click on
> English at the top, then select Passengers arriving by land, then Where can
> you obtain the permit? and How much does it cost and how do I pay?.  It
> costs more at the consulates than at the border, and even more by Internet,
> but I think the time saved would be well worth it.
>
> Mark Minton
>

[Texascavers] RE: Waterproof Action Sports Helmet Camera

[Minton, Mark]

  Charles Goldsmith said:

>have you or do you know anyone that has used these in a cave?
>How does it handle low light conditions?

  I just got the following from another list where I first saw this camera 
mentioned.  Doesn't sound like you could use it underground in anything very 
large without special lighting.  Great idea about the baby cam, though!  :-)

Mark Minton


>I saw this in one of the airplane sales magazines a year ago.  I bought it on 
>a whim and ...

>I have used it in combination with my Stenlight while caving.  Then Rosa came 
>along (my daughter) and I am undergoing negotiations with my beloved wife of 
>creating "Baby Cam" and having our little crawl into areas where adults cannot 
>go.  Rosa hasn't mastered the art of verbal communications yet so having a 
>visual would help decypher "da da de de gurgle gurgle".

>The camera works great in well light areas.  It was not designed to go into 
>the dark.  My experience in room size passage is that you need at least 2 
>stens - on highest setting - to get any quality in your pictures.  But in 
>tight areas, it works great.  No sounds are recorded so sounds would have to 
>be added later if you wanted to include that in a film

>You can download the images directly to computers.

[Texascavers] Caver Holiday

[Gill Ediger]

At 07:45 AM 3/19/2008, John Brooks wrote:
We need a "cavers" holiday. Maybe...we could get off work and close 
the banks and schools for "Floyd Collins Birthday"?


Everyday is a potential caver holiday as far as I'm concerned. Much 
more flexibility that way.


Happy Oztotl Day,
--Ediger



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[NMCAVER] Mexico Vehicle Permits

[Minton, Mark]

  From the March 18 Pajarito Grotto meeting minutes:
 
>James reports that we can go to the Mexican Consulate in Albuquerque to pick up vehicle importing stickers now, so we don't have to wait at the border crossing with all the paperwork.
 
  It's apparently even easier than that.  It looks like you can apply for your vehicle permit by Internet and have it mailed to you!  See .  Click on English at the top, then select Passengers arriving by land, then Where can you obtain the permit? and How much does it cost and how do I pay?.  It costs more at the consulates than at the border, and even more by Internet, but I think the time saved would be well worth it. 
 
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[Texascavers] Mexico Vehicle Permits

[Minton, Mark]

  James Hunter of the Pajarito Grotto in New Mexico says that they can now 
get vehicle permits and windshield stickers for Mexico at the Mexican Consulate 
in Albuquerque.  That is apparently also true in Austin and Dallas.  That would 
be a tremendous time saver at the border.  Even better, it looks like you can 
apply for your vehicle permit by Internet and have it mailed to you!  See 
.  Click on 
English at the top, then select Passengers arriving by land, then Where can you 
obtain the permit? and How much does it cost and how do I pay?.  It costs more 
at the consulates than at the border, and even more by Internet, but I think 
the time saved would be well worth it.

Mark Minton

[Texascavers] looking for a ride

[Cynthia Lee]

Is anyone from the Sugar Land area going to the TSA Spring Convention? I am
looking for a ride. Please me contact off list. Thanks.
Cindy Lee

[Texascavers] Honey Creek Cave weekend April 11 - 13

[speleosteele]

Yo cavers,

I've heard from a handful of you that you are planning to participate in the 
TSA and TCR supported project at Honey Creek Cave, Texas' longest cave, on the 
weekend of April 11 - 13.  We're going to fix up the tower over the shaft 
entrance to the cave on Saturday, and cut cedar at the request of the ranch 
owner.  We need a good turnout.  There will be an entrance to entrance, shaft 
to natural entrance, swim-through trip on Sunday morning.  To qualify to take 
that trip you must have worked on Saturday and contact me to get on the list 
and discuss your caving experience and if you are well enough equipped for the 
trip.  You will need a wetsuit, fins, caving boots, and a kickboard or some 
other type of float.  

I am easy to reach.  E-mail me or call me on my cell phone:

speleoste...@tx.rr.com

214-770-4712

Cavingly,

Bill Steele
Irving, Texas

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[Texascavers] Honey Creek Cave weekend April 11 - 13

[speleosteele]

Yo cavers,

I've heard from a handful of you that you are planning to participate in the 
TSA and TCR supported project at Honey Creek Cave, Texas' longest cave, on the 
weekend of April 11 - 13.  We're going to fix up the tower over the shaft 
entrance to the cave on Saturday, and cut cedar at the request of the ranch 
owner.  We need a good turnout.  There will be an entrance to entrance, shaft 
to natural entrance, swim-through trip on Sunday morning.  To qualify to take 
that trip you must have worked on Saturday and contact me to get on the list 
and discuss your caving experience and if you are well enough equipped for the 
trip.  You will need a wetsuit, fins, caving boots, and a kickboard or some 
other type of float.  

I am easy to reach.  E-mail me or call me on my cell phone:

speleoste...@tx.rr.com

214-770-4712

Cavingly,

Bill Steele
Irving, Texas

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Re: [Texascavers] ...the earliest Easter

[Chris Vreeland]

What we need is to shut down the banks, govt. and schools the Friday  
before TCR. That way, everyone could get there in plenty of time,  
instead of having to roll in from Houston, Dallas & points beyond in  
the middle of the night, & we could have a proper, federally  
sanctioned 3-day party. It's be vaguely moveable, as is the reunion  
itself.


On Mar 19, 2008, at 6:45 AM, John Brooks wrote:

We need a "cavers" holiday. Maybe...we could get off work and close  
the banks and schools for "Floyd Collins Birthday"?



On Mar 19, 2008, at 5:19 AM, "J. LaRue Thomas"  
 wrote:


Naw Ruz ("New Year" in Persian) is not moveable, though--it's  
always 21 March. For Baha'is, it's minus the Zoroastrian symbology  
but still the 1st day of spring. It also ends our Fast.


A subject cave-related because I don't cave much during the Fast?  
Jacqui







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Re: [Texascavers] ...the earliest Easter

[John Brooks]

We need a "cavers" holiday. Maybe...we could get off work and close the banks 
and schools for "Floyd Collins Birthday"?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2008, at 5:19 AM, "J. LaRue Thomas"  wrote:

Naw Ruz ("New Year" in Persian) is not moveable, though--it's always 21 March. 
For Baha'is, it's minus the Zoroastrian symbology but still the 1st day of 
spring. It also ends our Fast.

A subject cave-related because I don't cave much during the Fast? Jacqui


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Re: [Texascavers] ...the earliest Easter

[J. LaRue Thomas]

Naw Ruz ("New Year" in Persian) is not moveable, though--it's always 21 
March. For Baha'is, it's minus the Zoroastrian symbology but still the 1st 
day of spring. It also ends our Fast.


A subject cave-related because I don't cave much during the Fast? Jacqui


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