[Texascavers] FW: Longhorn Caverns and a Bit of Water
Received this from the folks down at LCSP, in regard to all of the rain we've received, courtesy of Hermine. She also addresses NatureFest in Burnet that was supposed to be on October 9th, TSS, TCMA, and TSA, mainly. Mark Subject: RE: Longhorn Caverns Project, TCR Mark!! Yes, we did get rain and yes it did affect the water levels in the cave. The turn around room had water as deep as the 3rd step. The wishing well was full. We had several waterfalls throughout the cave. Trails are sticky, muddy, slippery. But if you are brave enough to walk in.. it is spectacular!! I love the sound of the running water and the water drops on the formations are breathtaking. FYI - I cancelled Naturefest this year. Too much on my plate and the whole festival fell into my lap and I lost the majority of my volunteers. We are planning on trying to do it next year. Michelle Devaney - 512-663-0543 cell Vanishing Texas www.vtrc.com 512-756-6986 Longhorn Cavern www.longhorncaverns.com 512-756-4680 Arbonne www.NotJustSkinDeep.myArbonne.com 512-663-0543
[Texascavers] Honeycreek trip canceled
With much regret I am canceling the Honeycreek trip scheduled for Sept 18-19th. It's a damn shame since over 40 cavers from around the state said they were coming. Over the past few days Hermine has dumped 6-8 inches over the entire Honeycreek water shed, and some areas were even more. The Cibolo creek in Boerne which normally runs 10-12 cubic ft/sec peaked yesterday at about 3000 cfs, and it's still at about 800 cfs. That area of the Cibolo and the sinks in the fair oaks area are major contributors to the HC flows in the back of the cave. These flood pulses generally take 3-5 days to peak in the cave after a rain like this, and 3-4 weeks or longer for water levels to get back to normal. There is also a USGS stream and rain gauge downstream of the cave on Honeycreek that shows a 2' rise in the creek, and over 6 inches of rain fall in the past 2 days. Deer hunting season for Comal county begins Oct 2 for bow and arrow and extends until mid January, so we'll have to stay off of the ranch during that time. We'll shoot for a march-april time frame for another attempt at this trip. Kurt
[Texascavers] Kiwi Sink
Reports came in last night that the TS which dumped 5 or more inches of instant rain on Rolling Oaks during the afternoon filled Kiwi Sink to overflowing about 5 pm and washed away the railroad ties surrounding it. There must have been a good whirlpool. The owner got a cell-phone pic of which we are awaiting the DL. Water had subsided by dark but was still flowing strongly. An exploration trip is being organized now. Where is Ernie when we need him? Lightning hit Terry Raines' (well grounded) internet antenna and blew out the router (but not the computers), several circuit breakers, and made the dog yelp. Terry is off-line until at least tomorrow noon or so. His cell phone is still in working order. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] FW: Austin Floods
You Austinites may have seen many of these pictures (127) or experienced it personally. The damage and loss to central and south Texas property and infrastructure is devastating and I hope all of you escaped it. My daughter, Jenny, sent these to me. Fritz From: Jenny Holt [mailto:jennyh...@anthonytravel.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:16 PM To: Fritz Holt Subject: Austin Floods Check out this link to pictures of the Hermine flood here last night. You'll see Mopac at Bull Creek washed out! I emptied 4 inches out of my rain gauge yesterday when I got home from work and this morning it was topped off again (7 inches). Our electricity went out during the night, all the clocks flashing such. It took me an hour and 10 minutes to get to work today! How was it there in Houston? http://galleries.statesman.com/gallery/tropical-storm-hermine-090710/#12 Jenny Holt Operations Specialist 512-617-8487 - Direct Anthony Travel, Inc. - A UT System-wide Contract Travel Agency 7320 N Mopac Expy Suite 402 Austin, TX 78731 austi...@anthonytravel.commailto:austi...@anthonytravel.com [cid:image001.gif@01CB4FFF.DE9C2160] North America's Leading Travel Agency 2009 World Travel Awards(tm)
[Texascavers] Swedish Candle OT
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Re: [Texascavers] Swedish Candle OT
Nice, Gill. All that is needed now is to top it off with a garbage bag filled from the Oxy-Acet welder ---. DirtDoc
[Texascavers] TCR food.... call for help.
All, Yes, it's that time again! Time to find out who'd like to help prepare and cook food for the masses at TCR :-) We have had a couple of our regular cooks drop out for timetabling reasons so I am looking for a couple of people who will *own* a dish, ie. you take a recipe and look after its preparation on the day. So what are we going to cook? Well, we have been asked to continue the 'theme' theme as people have enjoyed participating and watching the parades, etc. so... After the success of the TSA spring convention food where we introduced Thai, we have decided to try that too at TCR. For those of you who don't, or won't, like that we will also do something more tradition around BBQ or other meat-based dishes. And of course we will also cater for the vegetarians. Suggested menu (feedback please to *me* only, thankyou!) as of today. It *is* a work in progress: Thai side - - Green Chicken Curry - Wild pork fried rice - Watermelon salad/Mango Salad/Cucumber salad (* these have all been at various parties around Austin in the last 9months). BBQ side - - Chicken, pork, beef (or whatever we can get hold of. Anyone have meat in there freezer they'd like to donate? We'll cook anything) - 'Slaw - Salad - Fixin's Dessert - - ? Thanks! And I hope to hear from willing volunteers soon! Stefan -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
texascavers Digest 9 Sep 2010 17:44:16 -0000 Issue 1147
texascavers Digest 9 Sep 2010 17:44:16 - Issue 1147 Topics (messages 15981 through 16004): Big Bend - More Off-Caving Info 15981 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net TSS work session rescheduled 15982 by: Ron Ralph Re: Regional Cave and Karst Resource Coordinator Outreach Notice 15983 by: George Veni Rain Honey Creek 15984 by: pstrickland1.austin.rr.com Government Canyon Karst Project 15985 by: Marvin Lisa Kiwi sink ? 15986 by: David 15991 by: Gill Edigar Antioch Cave? 15987 by: David a caving web-site 15988 by: David sort of cave-diving related 15989 by: David How to sell your cave photos - 101 15990 by: David never ending cave discovered ? 15992 by: David TCMA Nominations for Director 15993 by: Linda Palit Cave cube photos? 15994 by: Jon Longhorn Caverns Wild Cave Tour During TCR 15995 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com VISA moni 15996 by: Espeleo Coahuila Longhorn Caverns needs lighting assistance 15997 by: Logan McNatt Re: Longhorn Caverns and a Bit of Water 15998 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com Honeycreek trip canceled 15999 by: Kurt L. Menking Kiwi Sink 16000 by: Gill Edigar Swedish Candle OT 16001 by: Gill Edigar 16002 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net TCR food call for help. 16003 by: Stefan Creaser Rain! 16004 by: Bill Bentley Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- More non-caving info for those of you interested in the Big Bend Mosasaur Ranch Museum http://mosasaurranchmuseum.com/ Ken Barns is a friend, past Brewster County surveyor, and an amateur (no formal degree) paleontologist who knows more about Big Bend fossils (especially the mosasaurs) than most geologists. I have learned from him. In my mind he ranks as one of the two finest observers I have ever met - along with Donald Davis. Only Ken's focus is paleontology, not caves. Next time you are in the area you can probably find him on the Terlingua porch before sunset and make arrangements to meet him at his museum. DirtDoc ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Cavers, Due to the weather, we will postpone the usual TSS work session for two weeks - that is till September 22. I will try to get out another notice with details before then. Ron ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- The original message included three attached files about this new position. Contact Brad directly at the address below for those files and for more information if you are interested. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 1400 Commerce Drive Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 413-383-2276 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: Brad L Bolton [mailto:blbol...@fs.fed.us] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:53 To: Ron Hannan; Brad L Bolton; Sabrina A Flores Cc: Jacque A Buchanan; Garth Smelser; Ed Armenta; Larry Paul; Cherie D Edwards Subject: Regional Cave and Karst Resource Coordinator Outreach Notice FYI and please help us outreach for this newly created Regional Cave and Karst Coordinator position. Duty station will be Carlsbad, NM which is fast becoming the mecca for cave and karst, as the BLM and NPS have their senior specialists located there as well as the offices for the National Cave and Karst Research Institute. Those interested in the position are encouraged to complete and submit the Outreach Form. Upon completion of the Outreach period the position will be posted/advertised. Those that respond to the Outreach will be contacted directly when that happens. If you have any questions please contact one of the below listed names. Contact Information : Ron Hannan, 575-434-7245, rhan...@fs.fed.us, 3463 Las Palomas Road Alamogordo, NM Brad Bolton, 575-434-7212, blbol...@fs.fed.us, 3463 Las Palomas Road Alamogordo, NM Brad Bolton Recreation Program Manager Lincoln National Forest (575)434-7212 blbol...@fs.fed.us ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- With all this rain, what's Yo-Mama going to be like in a week one half? ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- The schedule for the Government Canyon Karst Project for the rest of 2010 is as follows: October 2 3 November 6 7 December 4 5 There are many caves still to be found at Government Canyon. There are caves to survey. Some of them require vertical work and some of them are short and easy. There are some intriguing in-cave leads and there are hundreds of surface features to investigate. Some
[Texascavers] Rain!
RE: Longhorn Caverns Project, TCRWhat Rain? Dry as a bone here... - Original Message - From: mark.al...@l-3com.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:51 AM Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Longhorn Caverns and a Bit of Water Received this from the folks down at LCSP, in regard to all of the rain we've received, courtesy of Hermine. She also addresses NatureFest in Burnet that was supposed to be on October 9th, TSS, TCMA, and TSA, mainly. Mark -- Subject: RE: Longhorn Caverns Project, TCR Mark!! Yes, we did get rain and yes it did affect the water levels in the cave. The turn around room had water as deep as the 3rd step. The wishing well was full. We had several waterfalls throughout the cave. Trails are sticky, muddy, slippery. But if you are brave enough to walk in.. it is spectacular!! I love the sound of the running water and the water drops on the formations are breathtaking. FYI - I cancelled Naturefest this year. Too much on my plate and the whole festival fell into my lap and I lost the majority of my volunteers. We are planning on trying to do it next year. Michelle Devaney - 512-663-0543 cell Vanishing Texas www.vtrc.com 512-756-6986 Longhorn Cavern www.longhorncaverns.com 512-756-4680 Arbonne www.NotJustSkinDeep.myArbonne.com 512-663-0543
RE: [Texascavers] Rain!
That's coz you don't live in the center of the caving universe ;-) From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] What Rain? Dry as a bone here... - Original Message - From: mark.al...@l-3com.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 6:51 AM Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Longhorn Caverns and a Bit of Water Received this from the folks down at LCSP, in regard to all of the rain we've received, courtesy of Hermine. She also addresses NatureFest in Burnet that was supposed to be on October 9th, TSS, TCMA, and TSA, mainly. Mark Subject: RE: Longhorn Caverns Project, TCR Mark!! Yes, we did get rain and yes it did affect the water levels in the cave. The turn around room had water as deep as the 3rd step. The wishing well was full. We had several waterfalls throughout the cave. Trails are sticky, muddy, slippery. But if you are brave enough to walk in.. it is spectacular!! I love the sound of the running water and the water drops on the formations are breathtaking. FYI - I cancelled Naturefest this year. Too much on my plate and the whole festival fell into my lap and I lost the majority of my volunteers. We are planning on trying to do it next year. Michelle Devaney - 512-663-0543 cell Vanishing Texas www.vtrc.com 512-756-6986 Longhorn Cavern www.longhorncaverns.com 512-756-4680 Arbonne www.NotJustSkinDeep.myArbonne.com 512-663-0543 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
[NMCAVER] Staging Trip at Fort Stanton Cave
Hi all! At the Labor Day Regional last Saturday, I announced a trip to Fort Stanton Cave on the weekend of Sept. 18-19, open to everyone willing to help out. I've billed this as a staging trip, because what is needed is to stage materials in Don Sawyer Memorial Hall in preparation for the Fort Stanton Cave Study Project expedition Oct. 2-10. This is much the same as what was done at the spring regional at Fort Stanton Cave. We will need to bag up concrete mix, cut HDPE panels, and haul concrete mix, wooden beams, aluminum angles, HDPE panels, and Stainless Steel frames into the cave. We need help with all of this! There is something for all to do! You will recall that the issue is that a dig shaft was dug in the wall of Don Sawyer Memorial Hall in order to make a safe access route to Snowy River. This dig shaft, dug through breakdown on the edge of the room, was lined with plywood and lumber panels. This wooden structure has deteriorated faster than many of us expected. Based on prior experience with these sorts of structures (Big Manhole Cave), we had hoped that it would last more than 5 years before it had to be replaced with a permanent structure, but alas, the wooden structure is being weakened by a severe fungal infection. We cannot let it get to the point where it becomes unsafe! The good news, is that, with the help of many of you, the majority of the wooden structure has already been replaced. There are 22 levels in the structure, and levels 1-16 are done. All the materials for level 17 (except concrete mix for the backfill) are already in the cave. With your help, we can finish this task this year! The bad news, is that the water in the main corridor of Fort Stanton Cave is rising. As of September 1, the water was crotch deep at Sewer Pipe Landing. This is bad news on two fronts: First, it makes the trip back to Don Sawyer Memorial Hall more difficult. But secondly, what will happen if the water continues to rise significantly higher? As of Sep. 1, the water is higher than it has been at any time since the early '90s. We know that in the '80s, the water was high enough so that it was over your head beyond Inscription Rock. At the moment the water appears to rising about an inch every 3 or 4 days. If it continues to rise at that rate through Sep. 18, we're talking about water that is waist deep on most people. (Now it would only be waist deep for a short distance near Sewer Pipe Landing - for most of the trip from Inscription Rock, it would only be ankle to knee deep.) One way of dealing with the water is to separate into different hauling teams: one team could go from the entrance to Inscription Rock (where you must get wet), another from Inscription Rock to Sewer Pipe Landing (where you get out of the water), and a third from Sewer Pipe Landing to Don Sawyer Memorial Hall. WE NEED HELP GETTING THESE MATERIALS BACK TO DON SAWYER MEMORIAL HALL! If we could put this off until the cave dries out, we certainly would. But there's no guarantee that the water level is going to drop anytime soon. If we have a repeat of the '80s, it may be years before we can get back to finish off the shaft! (Remember, Sierra Blanca had 240% of its normal snowfall this past winter!) On our trip on Sep. 1, we noted that the wooden panels still in place were all covered with white fungus. The fungus won't wait. Every day, it will continue to weaken the wooden panels. So - I'm asking everyone who can, to come help on the weekend of Sep. 18-19. Kathy and Dorothy have talked about preparing a meal for everyone Saturday night. I need to know who's coming so we can plan ahead - so if you're able to help, send me an e-mail! Thank you in advance to all that are able to make it! Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[ot_caving] Sealing a minor tear in a diaphram
Before you respond with rubber repair kit please consider that it needs to be gasoline proof. Got Harley carb. all cleaned out last night and today mounted it on the bike - only to discover accelerator pump does not work (and has gasoline leaking out of the accelerator pump assembly) Trying to get around spending money on a new diaphram (or possibly an entire carb kit) I'd like to repair the tiny tear I found in it. This surface is NOT the entirety of the diaphram - it is only one layer of it - there is still a strong mesh backing behind the rubber layer. The tear - or crack is only 3 or 4 mm long, and cannot even be seen until the diaphram is significantly flexed. Please advise with a particular substance which may do the job, please. -WaVy
[Texascavers] a backup LED flashlight
Look at the light in the bottom right corner of this link. http://ca.rayovac.com/flashlight/brilliandSolutions_BRSLEDKEY-BMF.shtml This tiny flashlight cost only $ 3.00 plus tax at Walmart. It puts out enough light for you to use around your cave camp, or reading a map, or for emergency use. While there have been similar lights on the market for a long time, they are still around the $ 10.00 range. I just tested it in my back yard, and I could see objects about 30 feet away in the dark. It seems to be constructed good enough to use on a caving trip. Threads feel solid, and o-rings are decent on both ends, meaning it looks like you could dunk it in the water. And it makes a good key-chain light if you want a light that big. It comes with a rugged tiny clip to put your keys on. For what it is designed for, I would have to give it 4 stars out of 5. It loses a star because the light pattern isn't perfect. I bet someone could get to the back of Airman's with just this light, and a pair of AAA lithium batteries. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Comanche Springs Cave
So when is James Brown going to dive into the Comanche Springs lower caves and explore Texas version of Wakulla Springs?
Longhorn Caverns needs lighting assistance
I didn't see an email address for Michelle, so please forward this to her. I've done some volunteer work on lights and hopefully can help out. Please contact me at this email, or call at 972-341-0662 Thanks Charles -- Forwarded message -- From: Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:37 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Caverns needs lighting assistance To: mark.al...@l-3com.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Speaking of Longhorn Cavern, they could use an agile caver for a couple of days to help a fellow who is working on the lighting. Perhaps one of you who has been helping at Cascade Caverns? Contact Longhorn and talk to Michelle. Maybe you can get a free wild tour! Logan On 9/8/2010 3:09 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: All, Since TCR wil be held near the Marble Falls/Burnet area this year, I contacted Longhorn Caverns State Park about some kind of group rate for their wild cave tour (and, maybe, other parts of the cave some of you may know about and have toured and/or worked in). They gave me a price of $35 per person. Please let me know offline if you'd be interested in doing this tour. Thanks! Mark - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Caverns needs lighting assistance
I still am sore about Longhorn. Wish it was kosher to be nasty about it on air... but its not so I will just tell you. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote: Speaking of Longhorn Cavern, they could use an agile caver for a couple of days to help a fellow who is working on the lighting. Perhaps one of you who has been helping at Cascade Caverns? Contact Longhorn and talk to Michelle. Maybe you can get a free wild tour! Logan On 9/8/2010 3:09 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: All, Since TCR wil be held near the Marble Falls/Burnet area this year, I contacted Longhorn Caverns State Park about some kind of group rate for their wild cave tour (and, maybe, other parts of the cave some of you may know about and have toured and/or worked in). They gave me a price of $35 per person. Please let me know offline if you'd be interested in doing this tour. Thanks! Mark - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Caverns needs lighting assistance
Ooops!!! Sorry guys. Longhorn is a great cave...very beautiful. I have been there many times and think everyone should visit. I led a trip there where there were a lot of miscommunications, it was poor organization on our part and I like to gripe. Didn't mean to send that out to everyone. BTW. Mark's email address also starts with texascaver
