Re: [SWR] Organ Mts - Desert Peaks National Monument designated by Obama
Yes. On May 19, 2014, at 7:18 PM, jen . wrote: Geronimo cave is in this area right? From: gypca...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 13:43:47 -0600 To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] Organ Pipe - Desert Peaks National Monument designated by Obama Here's the information from the Conservation Lands Foundation: http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?ca=9e17b741-fc16-44b8-8edd-6fb732f9e27fc=899669d0-1eca-11e3-964b-d4ae5275dbeach=89e218d0-1eca-11e3-968d-d4ae5275dbea Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
texascavers Digest 20 May 2014 14:08:37 -0000 Issue 1982
texascavers Digest 20 May 2014 14:08:37 - Issue 1982 Topics (messages 23858 through 23862): USS and UT Grotto Meeting May 21st 23858 by: Andrea Croskrey Re: Article by Mr. Cave 23859 by: Marvin and Lisa 23861 by: Gill Edigar 23862 by: Mark Minton Human migration into North America 23860 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Howdy Texas Cavers! Come get pumped about going to the NSS Convention in Alabama this summer, http://nss2014.caves.org/, by coming to the meeting this Wednesday and and hearing Sofia Casini and Galen Falgout talk about some amazing TAG caves! [TAG = T.A.G.=Tennessee-Alabama-Georgia!] The meeting, hosted by the University Speleological Society, is at 7:45pm in *Burdine 136*. Follow this link to a map of where the building is located on the University of Texas campus: http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/bur.html For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see www.utgrotto.org Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy hour specials. Attendance by cavers varies but this area is the best place to park and meet folks walking over to the meeting. Then after the USS meeting, we continue with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East. www.posse-east.com Cavingly, Andrea Croskrey UT Grotto Vice Chair ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- When I first moved out to the Bulverde area I noticed a rock house set back off of 1863 just as you enter Bulverde from the east. In a terrace wall, spelled out in rock, and easily visible from the road, was the word CAVE. I wondered at first if it was advertising a long forgotten tourist cave but found out later that it was the name of people who lived there. The wall, or at least the letters, have since been removed. _ From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:31 AM To: Preston Forsythe; texas cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave Hi Preston, In answer to your question: Is the last name, Cave, common? I did a quick check on Ancestry.com and saw that there were 1,566,853 entries for the name Cave. That, of course, doesn't mean that many individuals by the name Cave, but includes every place that the name is mentioned in every document in their database; includes things like birth and death certs, wills, immigration and other public records, family trees, military records, prison and orphanage records, mentions in newspapers and other publications, et al. My own family has multiple entries for each family member. Could even include a few real underground, geological anomalies. They rarely have records on live people because of potential legal issues. In the family trees online, live people are generally referred to as unlisted. Censuses through 1940 can now be viewed online. The next census (1950) will not be out for 70 years. If someone is interested and does not have personal access to Ancestry.com or one of the other genealogical sites, they can go to their nearest Morman Family History Library and use their facilities free of charge. I've found the people who work there very accommodating. How do I know these things? I've been working on my family history for over 20 years. Good luck, Louise From: pns_...@bellsouth.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 20:32:56 -0500 Subject: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo today, and mention of I-35 to Duluth. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on-mexicos-border.html ?hp Is the last name, Cave, common? While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at the Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound, i.e., mud , plus a major new double door installation. You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the link) are in Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15 year old at the hdqtrs Saturday night. Good income for the NSS. Preston in KY - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I grew up with a family named Cave and have knows several others since. The name Cuevas is common in Mexico. I was once told that the family name is pluralized as Los Cuevas while caves are pluralized as Las Cuevas.
Re: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave
I grew up with a family named Cave and have knows several others since. The name Cuevas is common in Mexico. I was once told that the family name is pluralized as Los Cuevas while caves are pluralized as Las Cuevas. --Ediger On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.netwrote: Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo today, and mention of I-35 to Duluth. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on- mexicos-border.html?hp Is the last name, Cave, common? While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at the Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound, i.e., mud , plus a major new double door installation. You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the link) are in Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15 year old at the hdqtrs Saturday night. Good income for the NSS. Preston in KY - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave
I think it is standard usage in Spanish that last names are always masculine and plural when referring to the family as a whole, irrespective of the gender the name/word may have otherwise. That's probably a holdover from the dominance of males in family lineage. Mark At 09:09 AM 5/20/2014, Gill Edigar wrote: I grew up with a family named Cave and have knows several others since. The name Cuevas is common in Mexico. I was once told that the family name is pluralized as Los Cuevas while caves are pluralized as Las Cuevas. --Ediger On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net wrote: Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo today, and mention of I-35 to Duluth. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on-mexicos-border.html?hp Is the last name, Cave, common? While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at the Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound, i.e., mud , plus a major new double door installation. You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the link) are in Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15 year old at the hdqtrs Saturday night. Good income for the NSS. Preston in KY Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[SWR] SWR files FOIA with NM BLM
Dear Southwestern Cavers (and other interested persons). Sunday night, May 18, the Southwestern Region filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the Bureau of Land Management. This action is to compel release of data in connection with the temporary two year cave closure which expired in January 2013, but is still used as a basis to deny access without agency authority to do so. The FOIA became necessary as the BLM has rebuffed or ignored all prior caver requests for information on this topic but does not hesitate to instantly deny permit requests with unsubstantiated explanations of need due to WNS. Such action by the BLM is no longer acceptable. The information requested is outlined below. Jim Evatt Vice Chair Southwestern Region May 18, 2014 RE: Freedom of Information Request The Southwestern Region (SWR) of the National Speleological Society (NSS) makes a request under the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”), 5 U.S.C. § 552, et. seq., for the following documents: All information and documents concerning the BLM decision to close caves relative to the threat of White-nose Syndrome (WNS) in the Roswell and Carlsbad Field offices, but also including decisions to close caves in other Field Office areas. In particular, the SWR requests information that includes, but is not limited to: 1. All scientific data supporting the decision to close caves, including the specific studies and results indicating a direct and proximate threat to New Mexico cave resources. 2. A listing of specialists consulted, their credentials and expertise in determining a verifiable (not speculative) WNS threat to New Mexico caves was imminent. 3. Data supporting the existence of a specific threat to each cave closed by the Closure Order of January 25, 2011. 4. Analysis and decision-making data used to ensure the closure order was in full compliance with the very specific requirements of 43 CFR 8364.1 for temporary closures, and how the closure order is in conformance with the subsequent Instruction Memorandum 2013-035 which clarified those requirements and processes. 5. Data used and legal justification for continued denial of access to caves upon expiration of the closure order. 6. Internal memoranda and other written communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding the recent removal, by the US Geological Survey (USGS), of Oklahoma as a state where WNS in bats has been suspected or confirmed, and the parallel removal by the USGS of Cave Myotis (Myotis velifer) from the list of bat species that have tested positive for the fungus (Pseudogymnoascus destructans). This is particularly important since the BLM NM cave closure scheme clearly was conveniently predicated entirely upon the errant Oklahoma identification. 7. All correspondence from the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) relevant to the WNS closure process, including all documents from CBD hinting at, or threatening, lawsuit if cave closures were not enacted. 8. Internal memoranda and other communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding a BLM response to the CBD relative to WNS. 9. All communications from BLM to the CBD regarding the agency's position and actions concerning WNS. 10. Empirical scientific data demonstrating as factual the existence of a human vector in field conditions. 11. Data demonstrating how the decontamination process is tested, verified and monitored in the field as universal, compliant, and efficacious, or even necessary, for each cave closed. 12. Number of permits issued to each cave during the closure period, the nature of each permit (management, science, recreation, etc.), to whom and the number of persons on each permit. 13. Number of permits issued to each cave since expiration of the closure period, the nature of each permit (management, science, recreation, etc.), to whom and the number of persons on each permit. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] SWR files FOIA with NM BLM
Jim, all, At the Mesilla Valley Grotto planning meeting last night, I brought up the filing of this FOIA request to the Grotto. I explained that the caves that the BLM manages are public property, i.e., our property. When we have concerns that these caves are not being managed properly, we have every right to request information that may shed light on how they are being managed. I asked for support from the Grotto members in this effort. The MVG members agreed that this was an important thing to do, and verbally expressed their support. (As this was not an official meeting, no formal motion of support was made.) I think that at our next SWR meeting in the Black Range on June 14, we (the SWR) should take a stand on the issue of closure of caves on public land as a solution to the issue of the threat of WNS.I think the land management agencies should have to demonstrate that a closure is effective in preventing the spread of WNS before implementing it. Make your voice heard! Come to the meeting and have your vote count. We have been a force in influencing land management agencies before (think: Fee Demo) and we can do this again. On May 20, 2014, at 5:56 AM, Jim Evatt wrote: Dear Southwestern Cavers (and other interested persons). Sunday night, May 18, the Southwestern Region filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the Bureau of Land Management. This action is to compel release of data in connection with the temporary two year cave closure which expired in January 2013, but is still used as a basis to deny access without agency authority to do so. The FOIA became necessary as the BLM has rebuffed or ignored all prior caver requests for information on this topic but does not hesitate to instantly deny permit requests with unsubstantiated explanations of need due to WNS. Such action by the BLM is no longer acceptable. The information requested is outlined below. Jim Evatt Vice Chair Southwestern Region May 18, 2014 RE: Freedom of Information Request The Southwestern Region (SWR) of the National Speleological Society (NSS) makes a request under the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”), 5 U.S.C. § 552, et. seq., for the following documents: All information and documents concerning the BLM decision to close caves relative to the threat of White-nose Syndrome (WNS) in the Roswell and Carlsbad Field offices, but also including decisions to close caves in other Field Office areas. In particular, the SWR requests information that includes, but is not limited to: 1. All scientific data supporting the decision to close caves, including the specific studies and results indicating a direct and proximate threat to New Mexico cave resources. 2. A listing of specialists consulted, their credentials and expertise in determining a verifiable (not speculative) WNS threat to New Mexico caves was imminent. 3. Data supporting the existence of a specific threat to each cave closed by the Closure Order of January 25, 2011. 4. Analysis and decision-making data used to ensure the closure order was in full compliance with the very specific requirements of 43 CFR 8364.1 for temporary closures, and how the closure order is in conformance with the subsequent Instruction Memorandum 2013-035 which clarified those requirements and processes. 5. Data used and legal justification for continued denial of access to caves upon expiration of the closure order. 6. Internal memoranda and other written communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding the recent removal, by the US Geological Survey (USGS), of Oklahoma as a state where WNS in bats has been suspected or confirmed, and the parallel removal by the USGS of Cave Myotis (Myotis velifer) from the list of bat species that have tested positive for the fungus (Pseudogymnoascus destructans). This is particularly important since the BLM NM cave closure scheme clearly was conveniently predicated entirely upon the errant Oklahoma identification. 7. All correspondence from the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) relevant to the WNS closure process, including all documents from CBD hinting at, or threatening, lawsuit if cave closures were not enacted. 8. Internal memoranda and other communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding a BLM response to the CBD relative to WNS. 9. All communications from BLM to the CBD regarding the agency's position and actions concerning WNS. 10. Empirical scientific data demonstrating as factual the existence of a human vector in field conditions. 11. Data demonstrating how the decontamination process is tested, verified and monitored in the field as universal, compliant, and efficacious, or even necessary, for each cave closed. 12. Number of permits issued to each cave during the closure period, the nature of each permit (management, science,
Re: [SWR] SWR files FOIA with NM BLM
To all: Hank and I will not be at SWR meeting but we support this action. ET Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Jim Evatt nmca...@comcast.net Date: 05/20/2014 6:56 AM (GMT-06:00) To: s...@caver.net Subject: [SWR] SWR files FOIA with NM BLM Dear Southwestern Cavers (and other interested persons). Sunday night, May 18, the Southwestern Region filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the Bureau of Land Management. This action is to compel release of data in connection with the temporary two year cave closure which expired in January 2013, but is still used as a basis to deny access without agency authority to do so. The FOIA became necessary as the BLM has rebuffed or ignored all prior caver requests for information on this topic but does not hesitate to instantly deny permit requests with unsubstantiated explanations of need due to WNS. Such action by the BLM is no longer acceptable. The information requested is outlined below. Jim Evatt Vice Chair Southwestern Region May 18, 2014 RE: Freedom of Information Request The Southwestern Region (SWR) of the National Speleological Society (NSS) makes a request under the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”), 5 U.S.C. § 552, et. seq., for the following documents: All information and documents concerning the BLM decision to close caves relative to the threat of White-nose Syndrome (WNS) in the Roswell and Carlsbad Field offices, but also including decisions to close caves in other Field Office areas. In particular, the SWR requests information that includes, but is not limited to: 1. All scientific data supporting the decision to close caves, including the specific studies and results indicating a direct and proximate threat to New Mexico cave resources. 2. A listing of specialists consulted, their credentials and expertise in determining a verifiable (not speculative) WNS threat to New Mexico caves was imminent. 3. Data supporting the existence of a specific threat to each cave closed by the Closure Order of January 25, 2011. 4. Analysis and decision-making data used to ensure the closure order was in full compliance with the very specific requirements of 43 CFR 8364.1 for temporary closures, and how the closure order is in conformance with the subsequent Instruction Memorandum 2013-035 which clarified those requirements and processes. 5. Data used and legal justification for continued denial of access to caves upon expiration of the closure order. 6. Internal memoranda and other written communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding the recent removal, by the US Geological Survey (USGS), of Oklahoma as a state where WNS in bats has been suspected or confirmed, and the parallel removal by the USGS of Cave Myotis (Myotis velifer) from the list of bat species that have tested positive for the fungus (Pseudogymnoascus destructans). This is particularly important since the BLM NM cave closure scheme clearly was conveniently predicated entirely upon the errant Oklahoma identification. 7. All correspondence from the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) relevant to the WNS closure process, including all documents from CBD hinting at, or threatening, lawsuit if cave closures were not enacted. 8. Internal memoranda and other communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding a BLM response to the CBD relative to WNS. 9. All communications from BLM to the CBD regarding the agency's position and actions concerning WNS. 10. Empirical scientific data demonstrating as factual the existence of a human vector in field conditions. 11. Data demonstrating how the decontamination process is tested, verified and monitored in the field as universal, compliant, and efficacious, or even necessary, for each cave closed. 12. Number of permits issued to each cave during the closure period, the nature of each permit (management, science, recreation, etc.), to whom and the number of persons on each permit. 13. Number of permits issued to each cave since expiration of the closure period, the nature of each permit (management, science, recreation, etc.), to whom and the number of persons on each permit. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [PBSS] [SWR] SWR files FOIA with NM BLM
While I think my membership may have lapsed (don't remember if I gave you money at the Texas Caver Reunion Bill). I would like to state I personally support this action whole heartedly. With the moratorium that have been In place back east for years now we have watched white nose march right through cave closures without slowing. And as illustrated by the Indiana convention not spreading the fungus I would agree that humans/Cavers make for poor vectors in this pandemic. And even after the complete destruction of bat populations in some areas we are still prevented from caving... In short closing in the event white nose does make it into the southwest region I don't want to see caves that have been closed for months/years to then be closed for an indeterminate time once again as the scourge of white nose moves through the area. Herman Miller On Tuesday, May 20, 2014, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: Fellow PBSS Cavers, Should we support this? Lets discuss at the next meeting and put it to a vote. Bill Original Message Subject: [SWR] SWR files FOIA with NM BLM Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 05:56:38 -0600 From: Jim Evatt nmca...@comcast.net To: s...@caver.net Dear Southwestern Cavers (and other interested persons). Sunday night, May 18, the Southwestern Region filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the Bureau of Land Management. This action is to compel release of data in connection with the temporary two year cave closure which expired in January 2013, but is still used as a basis to deny access without agency authority to do so. The FOIA became necessary as the BLM has rebuffed or ignored all prior caver requests for information on this topic but does not hesitate to instantly deny permit requests with unsubstantiated explanations of need due to WNS. Such action by the BLM is no longer acceptable. The information requested is outlined below. Jim Evatt Vice Chair Southwestern Region May 18, 2014 RE: Freedom of Information Request The Southwestern Region (SWR) of the National Speleological Society (NSS) makes a request under the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”), 5 U.S.C. § 552, et. seq., for the following documents: All information and documents concerning the BLM decision to close caves relative to the threat of White-nose Syndrome (WNS) in the Roswell and Carlsbad Field offices, but also including decisions to close caves in other Field Office areas. In particular, the SWR requests information that includes, but is not limited to: 1. All scientific data supporting the decision to close caves, including the specific studies and results indicating a direct and proximate threat to New Mexico cave resources. 2. A listing of specialists consulted, their credentials and expertise in determining a verifiable (not speculative) WNS threat to New Mexico caves was imminent. 3. Data supporting the existence of a specific threat to each cave closed by the Closure Order of January 25, 2011. 4. Analysis and decision-making data used to ensure the closure order was in full compliance with the very specific requirements of 43 CFR 8364.1 for temporary closures, and how the closure order is in conformance with the subsequent Instruction Memorandum 2013-035 which clarified those requirements and processes. 5. Data used and legal justification for continued denial of access to caves upon expiration of the closure order. 6. Internal memoranda and other written communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding the recent removal, by the US Geological Survey (USGS), of Oklahoma as a state where WNS in bats has been suspected or confirmed, and the parallel removal by the USGS of Cave Myotis (Myotis velifer) from the list of bat species that have tested positive for the fungus (Pseudogymnoascus destructans). This is particularly important since the BLM NM cave closure scheme clearly was conveniently predicated entirely upon the errant Oklahoma identification. 7. All correspondence from the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) relevant to the WNS closure process, including all documents from CBD hinting at, or threatening, lawsuit if cave closures were not enacted. 8. Internal memoranda and other communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding a BLM response to the CBD relative to WNS. 9. All communications from BLM to the CBD regarding the agency's position and actions concerning WNS. 10. Empirical scientific data demonstrating as factual the existence of a human vector in field conditions. 11. Data demonstrating how the decontamination process is tested, verified and monitored in the field as universal, compliant, and efficacious, or even necessary, for each cave closed. 12. Number of permits issued to each cave during the closure period, the nature of each permit (management, science, recreation, etc.), to whom and the number of persons on each permit. 13. Number of permits issued to each cave since expiration
[DFWgrotto] Fwd: [SWR] SWR files FOIA with NM BLM
A topic of conversation at the next DFW grotto meeting, on Wednesday, May 28th? Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edumailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) Begin forwarded message: From: Jim Evatt nmca...@comcast.netmailto:nmca...@comcast.net Subject: [SWR] SWR files FOIA with NM BLM Date: May 20, 2014 6:56:38 AM CDT To: s...@caver.netmailto:s...@caver.net Dear Southwestern Cavers (and other interested persons). Sunday night, May 18, the Southwestern Region filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the Bureau of Land Management. This action is to compel release of data in connection with the temporary two year cave closure which expired in January 2013, but is still used as a basis to deny access without agency authority to do so. The FOIA became necessary as the BLM has rebuffed or ignored all prior caver requests for information on this topic but does not hesitate to instantly deny permit requests with unsubstantiated explanations of need due to WNS. Such action by the BLM is no longer acceptable. The information requested is outlined below. Jim Evatt Vice Chair Southwestern Region May 18, 2014 RE: Freedom of Information Request The Southwestern Region (SWR) of the National Speleological Society (NSS) makes a request under the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”), 5 U.S.C. § 552, et. seq., for the following documents: All information and documents concerning the BLM decision to close caves relative to the threat of White-nose Syndrome (WNS) in the Roswell and Carlsbad Field offices, but also including decisions to close caves in other Field Office areas. In particular, the SWR requests information that includes, but is not limited to: 1. All scientific data supporting the decision to close caves, including the specific studies and results indicating a direct and proximate threat to New Mexico cave resources. 2. A listing of specialists consulted, their credentials and expertise in determining a verifiable (not speculative) WNS threat to New Mexico caves was imminent. 3. Data supporting the existence of a specific threat to each cave closed by the Closure Order of January 25, 2011. 4. Analysis and decision-making data used to ensure the closure order was in full compliance with the very specific requirements of 43 CFR 8364.1 for temporary closures, and how the closure order is in conformance with the subsequent Instruction Memorandum 2013-035 which clarified those requirements and processes. 5. Data used and legal justification for continued denial of access to caves upon expiration of the closure order. 6. Internal memoranda and other written communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding the recent removal, by the US Geological Survey (USGS), of Oklahoma as a state where WNS in bats has been suspected or confirmed, and the parallel removal by the USGS of Cave Myotis (Myotis velifer) from the list of bat species that have tested positive for the fungus (Pseudogymnoascus destructans). This is particularly important since the BLM NM cave closure scheme clearly was conveniently predicated entirely upon the errant Oklahoma identification. 7. All correspondence from the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) relevant to the WNS closure process, including all documents from CBD hinting at, or threatening, lawsuit if cave closures were not enacted. 8. Internal memoranda and other communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding a BLM response to the CBD relative to WNS. 9. All communications from BLM to the CBD regarding the agency's position and actions concerning WNS. 10. Empirical scientific data demonstrating as factual the existence of a human vector in field conditions. 11. Data demonstrating how the decontamination process is tested, verified and monitored in the field as universal, compliant, and efficacious, or even necessary, for each cave closed. 12. Number of permits issued to each cave during the closure period, the nature of each permit (management, science, recreation, etc.), to whom and the number of persons on each permit. 13. Number of permits issued to each cave since expiration of the closure period, the nature of each permit (management, science, recreation, etc.), to whom and the number of persons on each permit. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.netmailto:s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___
Re: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: [SWR] SWR files FOIA with NM BLM
Very much yes! On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: A topic of conversation at the next DFW grotto meeting, on Wednesday, May 28th? Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) Begin forwarded message: *From: *Jim Evatt nmca...@comcast.net *Subject: **[SWR] SWR files FOIA with NM BLM* *Date: *May 20, 2014 6:56:38 AM CDT *To: *s...@caver.net Dear Southwestern Cavers (and other interested persons). Sunday night, May 18, the Southwestern Region filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the Bureau of Land Management. This action is to compel release of data in connection with the temporary two year cave closure which expired in January 2013, but is still used as a basis to deny access without agency authority to do so. The FOIA became necessary as the BLM has rebuffed or ignored all prior caver requests for information on this topic but does not hesitate to instantly deny permit requests with unsubstantiated explanations of need due to WNS. Such action by the BLM is no longer acceptable. The information requested is outlined below. Jim Evatt Vice Chair Southwestern Region May 18, 2014 RE: Freedom of Information Request The Southwestern Region (SWR) of the National Speleological Society (NSS) makes a request under the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”), 5 U.S.C. § 552, et. seq., for the following documents: All information and documents concerning the BLM decision to close caves relative to the threat of White-nose Syndrome (WNS) in the Roswell and Carlsbad Field offices, but also including decisions to close caves in other Field Office areas. In particular, the SWR requests information that includes, but is not limited to: 1. All scientific data supporting the decision to close caves, including the specific studies and results indicating a direct and proximate threat to New Mexico cave resources. 2. A listing of specialists consulted, their credentials and expertise in determining a verifiable (not speculative) WNS threat to New Mexico caves was imminent. 3. Data supporting the existence of a specific threat to each cave closed by the Closure Order of January 25, 2011. 4. Analysis and decision-making data used to ensure the closure order was in full compliance with the very specific requirements of 43 CFR 8364.1 for temporary closures, and how the closure order is in conformance with the subsequent Instruction Memorandum 2013-035 which clarified those requirements and processes. 5. Data used and legal justification for continued denial of access to caves upon expiration of the closure order. 6. Internal memoranda and other written communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding the recent removal, by the US Geological Survey (USGS), of Oklahoma as a state where WNS in bats has been suspected or confirmed, and the parallel removal by the USGS of Cave Myotis (Myotis velifer) from the list of bat species that have tested positive for the fungus (Pseudogymnoascus destructans). This is particularly important since the BLM NM cave closure scheme clearly was conveniently predicated entirely upon the errant Oklahoma identification. 7. All correspondence from the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) relevant to the WNS closure process, including all documents from CBD hinting at, or threatening, lawsuit if cave closures were not enacted. 8. Internal memoranda and other communications discussing any and all factors and actions regarding a BLM response to the CBD relative to WNS. 9. All communications from BLM to the CBD regarding the agency's position and actions concerning WNS. 10. Empirical scientific data demonstrating as factual the existence of a human vector in field conditions. 11. Data demonstrating how the decontamination process is tested, verified and monitored in the field as universal, compliant, and efficacious, or even necessary, for each cave closed. 12. Number of permits issued to each cave during the closure period, the nature of each permit (management, science, recreation, etc.), to whom and the number of persons on each permit. 13. Number of permits issued to each cave since expiration of the closure period, the nature of each permit (management, science, recreation, etc.), to whom and the number of persons on each permit. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET -- UT Southwestern Medical Center The
[SWR] New NCKRI publications!
Dear Friends, The National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) has been busy with many different things, including a variety of publication and research projects. We have posted several new publications on our website at http://nckri.org/about_nckri/nckri_publications.htm; nearly all can be downloaded for free. There is one publication I'm especially excited to introduce with this message. Under the Symposia and Special Papers menu bar you'll find: NCKRI Special Paper 2: Role of Hydrogen Sulfide in the Formation of Cave and Karst Phenomena in the Guadalupe Mountains and Western Delaware Basin, New Mexico and Texas, by Douglas Kirkland. The Guadalupe Mountains serve internationally as the classic study area for hypogenic cave development. However, questions and some controversy still remain on the processes. Douglas Kirkland has worked for decades in the area. In this volume he has pulled together and analyzed a tremendous amount of information to answer some of the more important questions and offer new insights to the region's cave and karst development. His work will likely serve as a model for research in other areas as well. Also under the Symposia and Special Papers menu bar you'll find from two conferences NCKRI hosted last year: NCKRI Symposium 2: Proceedings of the Thirteenth Multidisciplinary Conference on Sinkholes and the Engineering and Environmental Impacts of Karst, edited by Dr. Lewis Land, Dr. Daniel H. Doctor, and J. Brad Stephenson. and NCKRI Symposium 3: Proceedings of the 20th National Cave and Karst Management Symposium, edited by Dr. Lewis Land and Mark W. Joop. If you look under the Investigation Reports menu bar, you'll find five reports posted so far on: * Karst flooding in Guatemala * Electrical resistivity study of a brine well cavity in salt * Electrical resistivity study of cavities in gypsite * Evaluation of National Park Service cave and karst needs. * Electrical resistivity study of a proposed well drill site. The Guatemala report is part of humanitarian project. The resistivity projects are first steps toward developing a broad collection of geophysical surveys in a variety of geological settings in order to better evaluate the data and techniques. The National Park Service report is a nationwide study that identifies all US national parks with known or potential caves, karst, and pseudokarst resources, and their status and needs relative to research, management, and public education and interpretation of the resources. This study will assist the Park Service in identifying and prioritizing their cave/karst research needs. Under the Annual Reports tab you'll find our latest summary of activities plus the reports for all of our previous years. More reports are in the works and will be posted as completed. Feel free to share or post this message with anyone who may be interested. While you're visiting the NCKRI website, check out the Events tab to learn about three upcoming conferences that NCKRI is hosting. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.orgmailto:gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.orghttp://www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Goodbye bolt climbs - a new way to get to those high leads fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYwFll9413g Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
