Re: [Texascavers] Sinkholes

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

I'm half afraid to show this video to my plumber, who's fascinated about the 
fact that we are cavers, and loves to regale Bill Steele and I with the Hollow 
Earth stories he's read on the Internet. Despite all that, he's a good and 
reasonably priced plumber, so we humor him.

If you think these theories are bad, you should look at 25 year-old cell 
biology theories about membrane fusion. This video is reminiscent of some of 
the wackier, simplistic ideas from that field. The exciting thing is that the 
reality (which we're still working on figuring out) is more complicated and yet 
quite extraordinary.

I did feel bad for all the people from China and other Asian countries that I 
saw swallowed up by the sinkholes in this video,

Diana

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Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:12 AM
To: Cave NM; Cave Texas; TAG Net
Subject: [SWR CAVERS] Sinkholes

Sinkholes - perhaps the end of the world is coming.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLUgEXI9RYI



A excellent piece of pseudoscience lumping together unrelated geological 
phenomena. An offshoot of conspiracy theory thinking, scientifically ignorant, 
and total BS. Critical thinking suggested.



A fine example of "I found it on the internet so it must be true".



HOWEVER, they have pulled together some fascinating videos of real-time 
earth-swallowing events. For that, it is interesting watching, even if you are 
not about to be sucked into the bowls of the Earth yourself.



DirtDoc

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[Texascavers] Batboy is back, and better than ever (cave included)

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 “Hold your Bat Boy, touch your Bat Boy, no more need to hide! Know your Bat 
Boy, love your Bat Boy, don't deny your beast inside! Ah, ah, ah!”

On stage, in Houston, through 24 July.


Here's the full review: 
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Re: [Texascavers] Juxtlahuaca

[David via Texascavers]

In response to DirtDoc's post:

A whole lot can be said about this specific cave and the karst region
around it.

I have been in it and sort of took the Wild Tour.   I did not see many of
the passages in the video link that DirtDoc asked to be critiqued.

The narrator has a Chilango accent (  I think ) meaning from Mexico
City.His deep suspenseful voice is intended to add interest to the
video, but I find it exaggerated.Plus he talks too fast for a gringo to
enjoy the documentary.

The background music which I think is Bolivian or Peruvian is too loud and
distracting and the Jaw Harp parts are so annoying.

The handheld camera moves slightly too fast in places and irregular thus
might cause one to have motion-sickness.

The "expert speleologist" all carrying propane lanterns in the cave is
ridiculous, and some wearing tennis shoes.
I bet these are cavers and do not use propane lamps.   Plus the
videographer probably did not have sufficient video light, so propane was
the practical choice.

I do not think you should beat on draperies with your hand.   Use some kind
of rubber-coated drumstick.Right ?   But this guy probably plays them
as good as anybody, if you like the bongo style of playing draperies.   I
prefer the style that sounds like a xylophone or Christmas Hand-bells.

Lots of Spanish can be learned from this video.   For example, stalagmites
grow on the "suelo."

Does anybody know if these cavers were at Mexpeleo in Acahuizotla ?I
feel like I have met them somewhere.   Maybe I probably have seen them in
other videos.

The best part of the video is they show a map of the cave and what part of
the cave the narrator is talking about.   Some of it seems slightly
repetitive.

I think the colors and shadows are good for a documentary aimed at
eco-tourist.   I watched this on my smartphone, so I do not know if it is
720p or 1080p.

It was great to include some real caving in the footage.

I give it an A-.But they set the bar high enough, so that the next
documentary of Juxtlahuaca will have to include 4K resolution, better
colors and lighting, slow-motion effects, aerial shots by drones, survey
info, historical interviews, better music, etc.

David Locklear
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[Texascavers] New Cave Paintings in Mexico

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

  Newly discovered "cave" paintings are creating quite a stir in Mexican
archaeology circles. I suspect the "caves" in question are really just
rock shelters; Burgos is east of Linares and north of Cd. Victoria.


Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

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Re: [Texascavers] away from e-mail

[Jerry via Texascavers]

You get better, my man !  Keep us informed when you get out of the hospital.

Jerry.
jerryat...@aol.com


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From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
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Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 11:19 am
Subject: [Texascavers] away from e-mail

I am going into hospital (never mind where) for treatment of pneumonia. I will 
not be seeing e-mail for the duration, and I'll miss at least one grotto 
meeting and the party this 
weekend.--MixonWhat great comfort is 
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[Texascavers] For David

[via Texascavers]

Here is one for you to critique 

Viaje a las Grutas de Juxtlahuaca 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMl0GPAwXtU#t=49.795125 

DirtDoc 
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[Texascavers] reply to last several post

[David via Texascavers]

There is nothing caving related in the post below, just
a rant about personal stuff:


The YouTube video below shows Charlie and caving friends
having a nice dinner in Ciudad Acuna after the Bracketville
TSA Convention about 5 years ago.   ( I filmed it with a
cheap flip-phone )

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR3yiazUdmw

I have camped once at Oakley's place way back around 1988 when
the TSA had an event there.

I am just a recreational caver that loves caves and lives too far from
karst to be able to do normal caving activities.   My last real caving trip
was "Eric's River Cave" in Indiana 9 years ago, although I did a little
digging in the entrance of Kiwi Sink a few years ago, and another cave
near Rocksprings.I own some nice caving gear somewhere boxed
away very deep in a rental storage unit, and quite a few new retail
LED headlamps and
flashlights.   I have a rusty knowledge of speleology and other
natural sciences.
I know where about 150 non-commercial caves are located, and I have been in lots
of commercial caves and off-trail in at least 4.I could probably
get into "Illusive Pit" near
Candela, Mexico if I really wanted to.   I might could even get in the
old popular Langtry caves if I really wanted.And I do know the whearabouts
of a secret cave that blows tons of air, but I can't seem to get an
invite on the dig.
And I would dig again someday in Kiwi Sink if the stars aligned in a divine
Oztotlian way. All of my PMI caving ropes are old now, but have
been in nylon sacks
in a dry rental storage unit for over nearly 20 years.So not sure if
I would use them in a pit or not.My 600 foot rope only has been in one
dry cave entrance.

I plan to get back into recreational caving someday, but only if my both my
physical and mental health improves.  My toxic quasi-marriage has severely
interfered with that goal.   I hope to make a few more NSS Conventions.

I still do not see how I can make it to Ely, Nevada. I bought a 2008
Toyota Sequoia last week with 5.7 liter engine, 4x4 and have put 600 miles
on it.It seems to only get 14 mpg.   I have a deferred
down-payment plan, before
the real bi-weekly payments kick in and have not yet scrounged up the
funds for the final part of the
down-payment. I have been eating cans of pork-n-beans all week
trying to not to
eat out.

David Locklear
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[Texascavers] away from e-mail

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

I am going into hospital (never mind where) for treatment of pneumonia. I will 
not be seeing e-mail for the duration, and I'll miss at least one grotto 
meeting and the party this weekend.
--Mixon

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Trollope, Barchester Towers

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Re: [Texascavers] caver music related

[Jon Cradit via Texascavers]

That’s good to know.
Thanks for the clarification and straightening us busybodies out.

Jon



From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Loving via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:32 AM
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] caver music related

Bob and I do not insult Bockbeer we relish his posts. He is the only one who 
has something to say that is unusual and usual at the same time. If I wanted to 
insult him I would do it to his face where he could bop me if he so desired. We 
love the guy and try to see him as much as possible and he has an open invite 
to my place on the Nueces and to Bob's as well. So leave us be. He needs 
proving and he needs love to boot.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Jon Cradit via Texascavers 
> wrote:
I agree with Viv.
Opinions can be expressed without us losing civility to each other.
I feel that the internet has allowed us an avenue for some to be rude to 
another instead of calm an guiding.

Jon Cradit

From: Texascavers 
[mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]
 On Behalf Of via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 1:47 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] caver music related

Personally, I find these anonymous flaming insults far more annoying than any 
of David's well announced, easily deletable whims.

You, anonymous fraidy cat, are the troll.

-Vivian Loftin

On Jun 25, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Bob Oakley via Texascavers 
> wrote:
bockbeer seems to come up with plenty of good ideas for OTHER PEOPLE to 
accomplish.
that is why I thought it would be a good idea for HIM to accomplish his latest 
brain fart.


Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:38:39 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] caver music related
From: texascavers@texascavers.com
Bockbeer is hocked on technology. Me I like going to the park here with a 
couple of guitar pickers and singing songs. Who needs all that electronic bull 
shit. Bockbeer does. Get a life and move to the country where life is real or 
move to real de Catorce where nothing happens. You have too many electrodes 
attached to your frame. Relax and chill out. Roast a weiner and move to MArfa.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Bob Oakley via Texascavers 
> wrote:
bockbeer,
Sounds to me like you volunteered


Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:18:07 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] caver music related
From: texascavers@texascavers.com


At many large caver gatherings, there is often a live performance of musicians.

Arranging this performance is often an expensive logistical headache, and the 
end result is never perfect, and there is always a critic or two afterwards 
saying what an awful waste of time and money that was.

I have seen a much better way to do this.

Last night, I was at a music performance where each musician in the band 
appeared individually on separate 4K monitors performing separately from the 
band.

The individual videos were "synced" together using some video software that 
appeared to be running in Apple OS X.

The show was pre-recorded and looped, but it was an awesome experience.

All the 65" monitors were set up vertically on a stage near each other, and 
each musician performed near-life-size ( maybe feet not showing on the taller 
members )

The sound was perfect.   And each musician was seen at their best.

Watching a caver-rock band do such a performance would be awe-inspiring and 
very entertaining.

This would allow more attendees to see the performance and see it in pieces at 
their leisure.

This concept would allow the band time to arrange a fascinating performance.   
And the band would get to enjoy the caver gathering instead of working at it.

I hereby propose on June 24, 2016, that someone seriously look into do this at 
2017 caver gatherings and beyond.

David Locklear
NSS #27639

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Re: [Texascavers] caver music related

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Bob and I do not insult Bockbeer we relish his posts. He is the only one
who has something to say that is unusual and usual at the same time. If I
wanted to insult him I would do it to his face where he could bop me if he
so desired. We love the guy and try to see him as much as possible and he
has an open invite to my place on the Nueces and to Bob's as well. So leave
us be. He needs proving and he needs love to boot.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Jon Cradit via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I agree with Viv.
>
> Opinions can be expressed without us losing civility to each other.
>
> I feel that the internet has allowed us an avenue for some to be rude to
> another instead of calm an guiding.
>
>
>
> Jon Cradit
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *via Texascavers
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 25, 2016 1:47 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] caver music related
>
>
>
> Personally, I find these anonymous flaming insults far more annoying than
> any of David's well announced, easily deletable whims.
>
>
>
> You, anonymous fraidy cat, are the troll.
>
>
>
> -Vivian Loftin
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Bob Oakley via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> bockbeer seems to come up with plenty of good ideas for OTHER PEOPLE to
> accomplish.
> that is why I thought it would be a good idea for HIM to accomplish his
> latest brain fart.
>
> --
>
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:38:39 -0500
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] caver music related
> From: texascavers@texascavers.com
>
> Bockbeer is hocked on technology. Me I like going to the park here with a
> couple of guitar pickers and singing songs. Who needs all that electronic
> bull shit. Bockbeer does. Get a life and move to the country where life is
> real or move to real de Catorce where nothing happens. You have too many
> electrodes attached to your frame. Relax and chill out. Roast a weiner and
> move to MArfa.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Bob Oakley via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> bockbeer,
> Sounds to me like you volunteered
>
> --
>
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:18:07 -0500
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] caver music related
> From: texascavers@texascavers.com
>
>
>
> At many large caver gatherings, there is often a live performance of
> musicians.
>
> Arranging this performance is often an expensive logistical headache, and
> the end result is never perfect, and there is always a critic or two
> afterwards saying what an awful waste of time and money that was.
>
> I have seen a much better way to do this.
>
> Last night, I was at a music performance where each musician in the band
> appeared individually on separate 4K monitors performing separately from
> the band.
>
> The individual videos were "synced" together using some video software
> that appeared to be running in Apple OS X.
>
> The show was pre-recorded and looped, but it was an awesome experience.
>
> All the 65" monitors were set up vertically on a stage near each other,
> and each musician performed near-life-size ( maybe feet not showing on the
> taller members )
>
> The sound was perfect.   And each musician was seen at their best.
>
> Watching a caver-rock band do such a performance would be awe-inspiring
> and very entertaining.
>
> This would allow more attendees to see the performance and see it in
> pieces at their leisure.
>
> This concept would allow the band time to arrange a fascinating
> performance.   And the band would get to enjoy the caver gathering instead
> of working at it.
>
> I hereby propose on June 24, 2016, that someone seriously look into do
> this at 2017 caver gatherings and beyond.
>
> David Locklear
> NSS #27639
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] comments

[Scott C via Texascavers]

When I walk through the forest, it's usually the trees that are different that 
stand out to me; the vibrant yellows and the fiery reds highlighted against the 
backdrop of green. All the trees are beautiful and make up the forest, but the 
colorful ones catch my eye and make me happy. Thanks David for your passion and 
making me happy :)

Sincerely,

Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer 

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 8:17 AM, via Texascavers  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m with you, Geary, as well as Jon and Vivian in welcoming David back.
>  
> If the Internet bullies here (and you know who you are, or I could name names 
> if you’re unsure) don’t like his posts, use the freaking delete key!
>  
> It’s so easy!
>  
>  
> Mark Alman
> texascav...@yahoo.com
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Geary Schindel via Texascavers
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 7:43 AM
> To: 'texascavers@texascavers.com'
> Subject: [Texascavers] comments
>  
> I’ve been indisposed for a few weeks but have caught up with some emails.
>  
> Glad to see that David is back posting on Texascaver. It’s been a long dry 
> spell and I enjoy his commentary.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] comments

[via Texascavers]

I'm with you, Geary, as well as Jon and Vivian in welcoming David back.

If the Internet bullies here (and you know who you are, or I could name names 
if you're unsure) don't like his posts, use the freaking delete key!

It's so easy!


Mark Alman
texascav...@yahoo.com




From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Geary Schindel via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 7:43 AM
To: 'texascavers@texascavers.com'
Subject: [Texascavers] comments

I've been indisposed for a few weeks but have caught up with some emails.

Glad to see that David is back posting on Texascaver. It's been a long dry 
spell and I enjoy his commentary.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel

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Re: [Texascavers] caver music related

[Jon Cradit via Texascavers]

I agree with Viv.
Opinions can be expressed without us losing civility to each other.
I feel that the internet has allowed us an avenue for some to be rude to 
another instead of calm an guiding.

Jon Cradit

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of via 
Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 1:47 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] caver music related

Personally, I find these anonymous flaming insults far more annoying than any 
of David's well announced, easily deletable whims.

You, anonymous fraidy cat, are the troll.

-Vivian Loftin

On Jun 25, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Bob Oakley via Texascavers 
> wrote:
bockbeer seems to come up with plenty of good ideas for OTHER PEOPLE to 
accomplish.
that is why I thought it would be a good idea for HIM to accomplish his latest 
brain fart.


Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:38:39 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] caver music related
From: texascavers@texascavers.com
Bockbeer is hocked on technology. Me I like going to the park here with a 
couple of guitar pickers and singing songs. Who needs all that electronic bull 
shit. Bockbeer does. Get a life and move to the country where life is real or 
move to real de Catorce where nothing happens. You have too many electrodes 
attached to your frame. Relax and chill out. Roast a weiner and move to MArfa.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Bob Oakley via Texascavers 
> wrote:
bockbeer,
Sounds to me like you volunteered


Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:18:07 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] caver music related
From: texascavers@texascavers.com


At many large caver gatherings, there is often a live performance of musicians.

Arranging this performance is often an expensive logistical headache, and the 
end result is never perfect, and there is always a critic or two afterwards 
saying what an awful waste of time and money that was.

I have seen a much better way to do this.

Last night, I was at a music performance where each musician in the band 
appeared individually on separate 4K monitors performing separately from the 
band.

The individual videos were "synced" together using some video software that 
appeared to be running in Apple OS X.

The show was pre-recorded and looped, but it was an awesome experience.

All the 65" monitors were set up vertically on a stage near each other, and 
each musician performed near-life-size ( maybe feet not showing on the taller 
members )

The sound was perfect.   And each musician was seen at their best.

Watching a caver-rock band do such a performance would be awe-inspiring and 
very entertaining.

This would allow more attendees to see the performance and see it in pieces at 
their leisure.

This concept would allow the band time to arrange a fascinating performance.   
And the band would get to enjoy the caver gathering instead of working at it.

I hereby propose on June 24, 2016, that someone seriously look into do this at 
2017 caver gatherings and beyond.

David Locklear
NSS #27639

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[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

I've been indisposed for a few weeks but have caught up with some emails.

Glad to see that David is back posting on Texascaver. It's been a long dry 
spell and I enjoy his commentary.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel

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[Texascavers] a new cave diving documentary

[David via Texascavers]

I think this is new:

 http://divingintotheunknown.com/en

 
https://www.facebook.com/divingintotheunknown/info/?entry_point=page_nav_about_item=overview

I could not find any film festivals in Texas where it was playing.
It looks like you can order the soundtrack
on Amazon, but the only place I could see the DVD advertised is below:

 http://cdon.fi/elokuvat/takaisin_pintaan-36617131

I think that link maybe be a Finland web-page.

David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com


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