[Texascavers] a travel related financial question

2019-03-27 Thread David 
>From David Locklear
Charlie and company, please hit delete button.

Here we are, approaching April of 2019, and many tourist
and traveler's and cavers are using virtual money, or their smartphone or
a non-bank debit card, etc. to spend on their purchases.

I am almost dependent now on my CASH app card.And I recently
got a SQUARE card, but have not used it yet.   ( I am trying to train
myself to only use my SQUARE income soley for the monthly rent ).

The main reason I am posting this topic here, is that in June, Apple users
will have access to a new credit card integrated into their phone, and I
know
many of you are experts at Apple iPhones.

I am phone shopping, and need a good phone for my business and
travel.   My last purchase and LG G6 set me back over $ 500 and it
was a dud - one of the worst investments I ever made.

I have recently been able to collect more payments from my customers
using CASH app, and SQUARE, but Zelle is still popular and I think I had
one PayPal payment so far this year.   I can't seem to get anybody to try
Venmo.I wish I could dump all my customers that still write paper
checks.
I am just going to have to get in the habit of depositing the checks
using the smartphone's camera.   I am still years behind on the on-line
banking stuff,
mostly because I live day to day, wondering how I am going to put gas in the
Sequoia.

If you have any expertise on this new Apple Card topic, feel free to email
me
privately.

 dlocklea...@gmail.com

I was leaning towards the Samsung S10, as my next big upgrade
in life.   But now, I think I should reconsider and go with an
super-over-priced iPhone X ( or 10 ).
I am afraid that if I spend $ 600 or more on an iPhone, that Apple will
deny me
access to Apple Credit, because of my poor credit score.That would be
another
setback.What I am hoping, is that this new Apple Credit tool will
replace gas-credit
cards like Shell, EXXON, Chevron, Texaco, etc., and that it will be cheaper
to
purchase gas and things from gas stations that way, or at least easier.

I do not yet have a phone that can do the Google Pay, Samsung Pay, Apple
Pay.
I could use Google Pay, if I paid a fortune to have my LG G6 fixed,
but that seems like a risky investment, too.


On a not-so related note, this all made me ponder about how that many
decades ago,
futurist predicted or described what 2019, might be like.

in 1925, a writer in Germany published a book called, "Metropolis," set in
2026,
and a silent movie was made about it in 1927.   ( Meaning set about 7 to 8
years from now ).
[   I only bring this up, because there are no smartphones, or wireless
technology, in that future,
nor things that are very common in our society today ]  The futurist
depicted a setting of a
labor-class of people having a violent revolution against
a handful of rich industrialist who controlled the machines.   It features
traffic jams, electronic
billboards, over-crowded underclass of workers, glass skyscrapers,
electrical blackouts, ***tiny handheld flashlights*** ( similar
to this one,
https://i.postimg.cc/0NbkMyQN/96-C47-A80-543-A-420-C-847-D-4-E0-D78-BE83-D6.jpg
but with a large convex diffuser lens ), but also LED light fixtures inside
buildings.
Anyways, the author's vision, could not compare or describe on film the
traffic jams of
present-day Houston, nor the reality of LED lights, the manner in which
automation has taken over parts of our
culture ( ATM's, grocery check-out lines, online billing / autopay ), nor
depicted the
anarchy and chaos that has recently unfolded in
present day societies around the Earth ( Venezuela, Brexit, Vatican, Yemen,
Chicago, Acapulco, Somalia ),
nor the complex proposals by the disenchanted to take away from the
wealthiest
1 percent of society.The movie seemed to have predicted the rise of
Green New Deal politician, AOC, pretty close to reality except
in the movie, she looks like Madonna on meth.   Right ?
The most amazing prediction was at 1:49:51 into the
movie, with a Skype like device on a flat-screen 17 inch
monitor, except the monitor seems to act as the camera-recorder
device simultaneously.

Here is the movie, if you have never watched it.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCDQzGTBA3E

David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Fwd: Hudspeth County caves?

2019-03-27 Thread jerryatkin 
Yes, I can help him out. 

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Bill Bentley  wrote:
> 
> Can you all help Charles, 
>  El Paso and Hudspeth County is 300 + miles from me.
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Hi,
> 
> I am working with cave-obligate pseudoscorpions in the Appalachian region. 
> Next week I will be at Indio Ranch (aka Indio Mountains Research Station) in 
> Hudspeth County, it’s a 40k acre property owned by University of Texas El 
> Paso. I am primarily looking for species related to eastern ones that occur 
> on the surface in the area, but will happily poke around in caves as well 
> while I’m there.  Would you be willing to share data on caves in this region 
> of the county, or for the whole county?
> 
> I am a NSS member (#67409) and have presented my research at a few NSS 
> meetings. I’m planning on attending NSS 2019 to present the results of my PhD 
> research in the biology part of the meeting, which will include what I find 
> on this trip next week.
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Charles
> 
> ―
> Charles D.R. Stephen
> Ph.D. candidate, Dept. Biological Sciences, Auburn University
>   Mailing address: 331 Funchess Hall, Auburn University, AL, 36849, USA
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[Texascavers] Fwd: Hudspeth County caves?

2019-03-27 Thread Bill Bentley 

Can you all help Charles,

 El Paso and Hudspeth County is 300 + miles from me.

 Thanks,

Bill



 Forwarded Message 

Hi,

I am working with cave-obligate pseudoscorpions in the Appalachian region. Next 
week I will be at Indio Ranch (aka Indio Mountains Research Station) in 
Hudspeth County, it’s a 40k acre property owned by University of Texas El Paso. 
I am primarily looking for species related to eastern ones that occur on the 
surface in the area, but will happily poke around in caves as well while I’m 
there.  Would you be willing to share data on caves in this region of the 
county, or for the whole county?

I am a NSS member (#67409) and have presented my research at a few NSS 
meetings. I’m planning on attending NSS 2019 to present the results of my PhD 
research in the biology part of the meeting, which will include what I find on 
this trip next week.


Thank you!

Charles

—
Charles D.R. Stephen
Ph.D. candidate, Dept. Biological Sciences, Auburn University
  Mailing address: 331 Funchess Hall, Auburn University, AL, 36849, USA
 Email: czs0...@auburn.edu | czs0...@tigermail.auburn.edu | 
cdr.step...@gmail.com




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Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 57, Issue 26

2019-03-27 Thread James Jasek 
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Do you think Bill would object to having a cave preserve use his name?


> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 4:53 PM Nancy Weaver  wrote:
> 
> thanks, Katie.  I was going to post that I thought William would certainly
> prefer the cave keep its name.  I’m glad you spoke up
> Nancy
> 
> On Mar 26, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Katherine Arens 
> wrote:
> 
> Nope, Guys.  He HATED people who renamed known caves for no good reason,
> with "good" meaning "correcting histoircal record on ownership and
> location".
> -katie
> 
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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 20:19:10 -0500
From: Logan 
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OK everyone thinking of ways to honor Bill, this will help. If you 
haven't already done so, pull out your copy of /50 Years of Texas 
Caving/ and go to the section called "Two Bills" starting on page 346. 
One is William J. "Bill" Helmer (NSS #3231). The other is William H. 
"Bill" Russell (NSS #4357). The sectionbegins:

"The history of Texas caving has been profoundly influenced by two guys 
named Bill. Without either of them almost nothing would be the same."

Pages 349-353 consist of anecdotes, quotations, and photos of the Bill 
we all know & miss. You will learn that "In Indian Creek Cave, there is 
an incredibly long and tortuous crawl named Bill Russell's Long Crawl." 
There is a photo of Bill surveying in William's Maze, Airman's Cave.

Bill's opinion of Underground Exploration as told to Jerry Atkinson 
(excerpt): "While running through a borehole is more exciting than 
digging, it is not anywhere near 2,500 times as exciting. . . . Thus, 
there are several Travis County caves (like Airman's Cave) that are 
among the most exciting caves per foot in the world to explore. *Eat 
your heart out Huautla." *(my emphasis)*
*
Reading this section may give some of you ideas. For example, Bill 
Steele and Bill Stone, with that challenge from Bill Russell, consider 
naming the tightest, nastiest, longest, most tortuous, deepest crawlways 
in the Huautla system after William H. "Bill" Russell. He will love it!

LowGun
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 01:19:21 +
From: Katherine Arens 
To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
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that i think he would be honored about.

On Mar 26, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Cathy Winfrey 
mailto:cathywinfr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Do you think Bill would object to having a cave preserve use his name?


On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 4:53 PM Nancy Weaver 
mailto:nan...@prismnet.com>> wrote:
thanks, Katie.  I was going to post that I thought William would certainly 
prefer the cave keep its name.  I’m glad you spoke up
Nancy

On Mar 26, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Katherine Arens 
mailto:ar...@austin.utexas.edu>> wrote:

Nope, Guys.  He HATED people who renamed known caves for no good reason, with 
"good" meaning "correcting histoircal record on ownership and location".
-katie

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[Texascavers] william russell's obituary

2019-03-27 Thread Katherine Arens 
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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie and NSS Convention

2019-03-27 Thread C Tiderman 
There will be camping available under one of the big barns and under the 
bleachers.
Carol 

   On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 1:35:03 PM EDT, PRESTON FORSYTHE 
 wrote: 
 
 Looking fwd to the TN convention. But, remember reading no shade in the 
campground. OK with me because we are not in the campground during the day. 
Ernie may want a/c.
Preston,  in hot humid KY, and TN is very similar.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:41 AM, Nancy Weaver wrote:   
Ernie is interested in getting a ride to convention this June in Tenn.  He 
would like to car camp in campground. He is happy to cover transportation 
costs.  Please contact Nancy to talk details.  
cheers,
Nancy 
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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie and NSS Convention

2019-03-27 Thread PRESTON FORSYTHE 
Looking fwd to the TN convention. But, remember reading no shade in the 
campground. OK with me because we are not in the campground during the day. 
Ernie may want a/c.
Preston,  in hot humid KY, and TN is very similar.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:41 AM, Nancy Weaver wrote:   
Ernie is interested in getting a ride to convention this June in Tenn.  He 
would like to car camp in campground. He is happy to cover transportation 
costs.  Please contact Nancy to talk details.  
cheers,
Nancy 
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[Texascavers] Ernie and NSS Convention

2019-03-27 Thread Nancy Weaver 
Ernie is interested in getting a ride to convention this June in Tenn.  He 
would like to car camp in campground. He is happy to cover transportation 
costs.  Please contact Nancy to talk details.  
cheers,
Nancy 
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

2019-03-27 Thread John Brooks 
Perhaps that section of cave should be renamed the “Russell Borehole”.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Logan  wrote:
> 
> The Little Man made the cover of the July-August 1979 Texas Caver. "The 
> Monster Borehole section of the Master Main Drain, Airman's Cave, Travis 
> County, Texas.  Photo by Bill Russell."  Bill explained on page 63 of that 
> issue "It is not that Travis County caves are too small, it is that 
> Travis County cavers are too big."
> 
>> On 3/27/2019 8:11 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
>> Yes! The Little Man slide show. What a hoot. That should reemerge. At the 
>> end was a real human for scale. 
>> 
>> Bill Steele
>> speleoste...@ail.com
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:08 AM, John Brooks  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> When I was a young impressionable caver at Texas A, Bill Russell came to 
>>> one of our biweekly grotto meetings and gave a presentation on “Caves”. In 
>>> that slide presentation he had several photos of the “new” borehole in 
>>> Airman’s Cave. It appeared to be 20’ tall passages.until we finally 
>>> realized that the scale figure was a GI Joe.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:54 AM, PRESTON FORSYTHE  wrote:
>>> 
 The cave trip I made with Bill Russell I will always remember was to the 
 very back, read end, of Airman's. What I do not remember is any walking 
 passage in the cave. Zero, i.e., none. No walking passage. maybe a little 
 stoop passage, not much.  And, the very worthwhile formation area, 
 Selentites, (sp), long crystal needles, the goal of the trip, was at the 
 very end. Unfortunately, the end was on the other side of the 
 infamousdrum rollWIRE WIGGLE.
 
 The tightest cave passage I have ever been thru. 
 
 Bill led the way throught that like a cave salamander. Not only was the 
 long crawl a Wire Wiggle in the truest sense of the word, but on the far 
 side it had a 120 degree bend. On the way out I learned one had to totally 
 relax and flow like a worm, as thoughts of being Trapped entered my 
 headThe knees would not bend around that sharp turnI would not 
 recommend that stunt again unless one weighted 165 pounds or less, and 
 shorter than 5 ft. 11 inches tall.The Wire Wiggle, which I bet Bill 
 named, was even tighter than Dead Dog Cave also in Austin, another "test 
 piece," of limited space caving. 
 
 As for Dead Dog Cave, I think the Bittinger Brothers pioneered that one, 
 but I would not be surprised if Bill Russell did not have a hand in it, 
 too. I did that cave with Don Coons, on one of Don's first trips to Austin 
 and "Onward Thru the Fog" caving adventures to Mexico.Again, do not 
 try Dead Dog unless you are 165 lbs. or lessI seem to recall Dead Dog 
 was sealed by the city of Austin??
 
 When Bill Russell moved to Kirkwood Circle he lived upstairs and the 
 Bittinger Brothers lived downstairs. That was I believe the second caver 
 house at Kirkwood, and after Frank Binney established 1307 1/2 Kirkwood.
 
 By the way changing the subject-if you were up one hour ago, before 
 daylight, hope you noticed--Reddish Antares in Scorpio, Jupiter, the Moon, 
 Saturn, and right above the eastern horizon-Venus. Great morning. That 
 lineup will be visible for several mornings before dawn, with the 
 distances between these migrating objects varying each day.
 
 Preston Forsythe, Browder, KY
 
 
  
 
 On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 4:18:16 PM CDT, Charles Loving 
  wrote:
 
 
 Time flies when you are having fun. 
 
 On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:21 AM  wrote:
 ps  1976 is only 43 years ago  yer making me feel more ancient than I am
 AGG'i
 
 
 From: "Andy Gluesenkamp" 
 To: "texascavers" 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 7:11:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine 
 covers
 
 I have been reading my cherished copy of Bill's BITE (Biological 
 Investigations of Troglobitic Eurycea) report and am ever amazed at the 
 effort and thoroughness he put into it.  Even though it is almost 50 years 
 old, it remains a reference of singular value and it is the treasure map 
 that will eventually lead to the rediscovery of Eurycea robusta.  I just 
 wish Bill could be here when we find it.  
 
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 
 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com
 
 
 On Monday, March 25, 2019, 3:34:19 PM CDT, Logan  
 wrote:
 
 
 Bill also appeared on the cover of the Texas Caver several times (e.g. 
 March 1995), and in newspaper articles. I have copies of some of them, but 
 not a complete collection or list. Does anyone have those?
 
 On 3/25/2019 1:11 PM, Katherine Arens wrote:
 thanks,

Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

2019-03-27 Thread Logan 
The Little Man made the cover of the July-August 1979 Texas Caver. "The 
Monster Borehole section of the Master Main Drain, Airman's Cave, Travis 
County, Texas.  Photo by Bill Russell."  Bill explained on page 63 of 
that issue "It is not that Travis County caves are too small, it is that 
Travis County cavers are too big."


On 3/27/2019 8:11 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
Yes! The Little Man slide show. What a hoot. That should reemerge. At 
the end was a real human for scale.


Bill Steele
speleoste...@ail.com 

On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:08 AM, John Brooks 
> wrote:


When I was a young impressionable caver at Texas A, Bill Russell 
came to one of our biweekly grotto meetings and gave a presentation 
on “Caves”. In that slide presentation he had several photos of the 
“new” borehole in Airman’s Cave. It appeared to be 20’ tall 
passages.until we finally realized that the scale figure was a GI 
Joe.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:54 AM, PRESTON FORSYTHE > wrote:


The cave trip I made with Bill Russell I will always remember was to 
the very back, read end, of Airman's. What I do not remember is any 
walking passage in the cave. Zero, i.e., none. No walking passage. 
maybe a little stoop passage, not much. And, the very worthwhile 
formation area, Selentites, (sp), long crystal needles, the goal of 
the trip, was at the very end. Unfortunately, the end was on the 
other side of the infamousdrum rollWIRE WIGGLE.


The tightest cave passage I have ever been thru.

Bill led the way throught that like a cave salamander. Not only was 
the long crawl a Wire Wiggle in the truest sense of the word, but on 
the far side it had a 120 degree bend. On the way out I learned one 
had to totally relax and flow like a worm, as thoughts of being 
Trapped entered my headThe knees would not bend around that 
sharp turnI would not recommend that stunt again unless one 
weighted 165 pounds or less, and shorter than 5 ft. 11 inches 
tall.The Wire Wiggle, which I bet Bill named, was even tighter 
than Dead Dog Cave also in Austin, another "test piece," of limited 
space caving.


As for Dead Dog Cave, I think the Bittinger Brothers pioneered that 
one, but I would not be surprised if Bill Russell did not have a 
hand in it, too. I did that cave with Don Coons, on one of Don's 
first trips to Austin and "Onward Thru the Fog" caving adventures to 
Mexico.Again, do not try Dead Dog unless you are 165 lbs. or 
lessI seem to recall Dead Dog was sealed by the city of Austin??


When Bill Russell moved to Kirkwood Circle he lived upstairs and the 
Bittinger Brothers lived downstairs. That was I believe the second 
caver house at Kirkwood, and after Frank Binney established 1307 1/2 
Kirkwood.


By the way changing the subject-if you were up one hour ago, before 
daylight, hope you noticed--Reddish Antares in Scorpio, Jupiter, the 
Moon, Saturn, and right above the eastern horizon-Venus. Great 
morning. That lineup will be visible for several mornings before 
dawn, with the distances between these migrating objects varying 
each day.


Preston Forsythe, Browder, KY



On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 4:18:16 PM CDT, Charles Loving 
mailto:lovingi...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Time flies when you are having fun.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:21 AM > wrote:


ps  1976 is only 43 years ago yer making me feel more ancient
than I am
AGG'i



*From: *"Andy Gluesenkamp" mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com>>
*To: *"texascavers" mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 26, 2019 7:11:30 AM
*Subject: *Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles
and magazine covers

I have been reading my cherished copy of Bill's BITE (Biological
Investigations of Troglobitic /Eurycea) /report and am ever
amazed at the effort and thoroughness he put into it.  Even
though it is almost 50 years old, it remains a reference of
singular value and it is the treasure map that will eventually
lead to the rediscovery of /Eurycea robusta/.  I just wish Bill
could be here when we find it.

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood,
Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com



On Monday, March 25, 2019, 3:34:19 PM CDT, Logan
mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:


Bill also appeared on the cover of the Texas Caver several times
(e.g. March 1995), and in newspaper articles. I have copies of
some of them, but not a complete collection or list. Does anyone
have those?

On 3/25/2019 1:11 PM, Katherine Arens wrote:

thanks, bill for reminding us
katie

On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Bill Steele
mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

2019-03-27 Thread Bill Steele 
Yes! The Little Man slide show. What a hoot. That should reemerge. At the end 
was a real human for scale. 

Bill Steele
speleoste...@ail.com

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:08 AM, John Brooks  
> wrote:
> 
> When I was a young impressionable caver at Texas A, Bill Russell came to 
> one of our biweekly grotto meetings and gave a presentation on “Caves”. In 
> that slide presentation he had several photos of the “new” borehole in 
> Airman’s Cave. It appeared to be 20’ tall passages.until we finally 
> realized that the scale figure was a GI Joe.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:54 AM, PRESTON FORSYTHE  wrote:
>> 
>> The cave trip I made with Bill Russell I will always remember was to the 
>> very back, read end, of Airman's. What I do not remember is any walking 
>> passage in the cave. Zero, i.e., none. No walking passage. maybe a little 
>> stoop passage, not much.  And, the very worthwhile formation area, 
>> Selentites, (sp), long crystal needles, the goal of the trip, was at the 
>> very end. Unfortunately, the end was on the other side of the 
>> infamousdrum rollWIRE WIGGLE.
>> 
>> The tightest cave passage I have ever been thru. 
>> 
>> Bill led the way throught that like a cave salamander. Not only was the long 
>> crawl a Wire Wiggle in the truest sense of the word, but on the far side it 
>> had a 120 degree bend. On the way out I learned one had to totally relax and 
>> flow like a worm, as thoughts of being Trapped entered my headThe knees 
>> would not bend around that sharp turnI would not recommend that stunt 
>> again unless one weighted 165 pounds or less, and shorter than 5 ft. 11 
>> inches tall.The Wire Wiggle, which I bet Bill named, was even tighter 
>> than Dead Dog Cave also in Austin, another "test piece," of limited space 
>> caving. 
>> 
>> As for Dead Dog Cave, I think the Bittinger Brothers pioneered that one, but 
>> I would not be surprised if Bill Russell did not have a hand in it, too. I 
>> did that cave with Don Coons, on one of Don's first trips to Austin and 
>> "Onward Thru the Fog" caving adventures to Mexico.Again, do not try Dead 
>> Dog unless you are 165 lbs. or lessI seem to recall Dead Dog was sealed 
>> by the city of Austin??
>> 
>> When Bill Russell moved to Kirkwood Circle he lived upstairs and the 
>> Bittinger Brothers lived downstairs. That was I believe the second caver 
>> house at Kirkwood, and after Frank Binney established 1307 1/2 Kirkwood.
>> 
>> By the way changing the subject-if you were up one hour ago, before 
>> daylight, hope you noticed--Reddish Antares in Scorpio, Jupiter, the Moon, 
>> Saturn, and right above the eastern horizon-Venus. Great morning. That 
>> lineup will be visible for several mornings before dawn, with the distances 
>> between these migrating objects varying each day.
>> 
>> Preston Forsythe, Browder, KY
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 4:18:16 PM CDT, Charles Loving 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Time flies when you are having fun. 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:21 AM  wrote:
>> ps  1976 is only 43 years ago  yer making me feel more ancient than I am
>> AGG'i
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Andy Gluesenkamp" 
>> To: "texascavers" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 7:11:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine 
>> covers
>> 
>> I have been reading my cherished copy of Bill's BITE (Biological 
>> Investigations of Troglobitic Eurycea) report and am ever amazed at the 
>> effort and thoroughness he put into it.  Even though it is almost 50 years 
>> old, it remains a reference of singular value and it is the treasure map 
>> that will eventually lead to the rediscovery of Eurycea robusta.  I just 
>> wish Bill could be here when we find it.  
>> 
>> Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
>> (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, March 25, 2019, 3:34:19 PM CDT, Logan  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Bill also appeared on the cover of the Texas Caver several times (e.g. March 
>> 1995), and in newspaper articles. I have copies of some of them, but not a 
>> complete collection or list. Does anyone have those?
>> 
>> On 3/25/2019 1:11 PM, Katherine Arens wrote:
>> thanks, bill for reminding us
>> katie
>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Bill Steele  wrote:
>> 
>> The two highest awards awarded by the National Speleological Society (NSS), 
>> considered to be equally the highest, are the Honorary Member Award and the 
>> William J. Stephenson Award for Outstanding Service. Bill Russell received 
>> the Honorary Member Award in 1998. Other Texans, or cavers or cave 
>> scientists from Texas or who moved to Texas, who have received it are Bill 
>> Elliott, Merlin Tuttle and Jim Goodbar. 
>> 
>> See this link for information about the award and a list of recipients. 
>> 
>> http://caves.org/committee/award/honorary.shtml
>> 
>> Bill Steele 
>> speleoste...@aol.com
>>

Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

2019-03-27 Thread John Brooks 
When I was a young impressionable caver at Texas A, Bill Russell came to one 
of our biweekly grotto meetings and gave a presentation on “Caves”. In that 
slide presentation he had several photos of the “new” borehole in Airman’s 
Cave. It appeared to be 20’ tall passages.until we finally realized that 
the scale figure was a GI Joe.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:54 AM, PRESTON FORSYTHE  wrote:
> 
> The cave trip I made with Bill Russell I will always remember was to the very 
> back, read end, of Airman's. What I do not remember is any walking passage in 
> the cave. Zero, i.e., none. No walking passage. maybe a little stoop passage, 
> not much.  And, the very worthwhile formation area, Selentites, (sp), long 
> crystal needles, the goal of the trip, was at the very end. Unfortunately, 
> the end was on the other side of the infamousdrum rollWIRE WIGGLE.
> 
> The tightest cave passage I have ever been thru. 
> 
> Bill led the way throught that like a cave salamander. Not only was the long 
> crawl a Wire Wiggle in the truest sense of the word, but on the far side it 
> had a 120 degree bend. On the way out I learned one had to totally relax and 
> flow like a worm, as thoughts of being Trapped entered my headThe knees 
> would not bend around that sharp turnI would not recommend that stunt 
> again unless one weighted 165 pounds or less, and shorter than 5 ft. 11 
> inches tall.The Wire Wiggle, which I bet Bill named, was even tighter 
> than Dead Dog Cave also in Austin, another "test piece," of limited space 
> caving. 
> 
> As for Dead Dog Cave, I think the Bittinger Brothers pioneered that one, but 
> I would not be surprised if Bill Russell did not have a hand in it, too. I 
> did that cave with Don Coons, on one of Don's first trips to Austin and 
> "Onward Thru the Fog" caving adventures to Mexico.Again, do not try Dead 
> Dog unless you are 165 lbs. or lessI seem to recall Dead Dog was sealed 
> by the city of Austin??
> 
> When Bill Russell moved to Kirkwood Circle he lived upstairs and the 
> Bittinger Brothers lived downstairs. That was I believe the second caver 
> house at Kirkwood, and after Frank Binney established 1307 1/2 Kirkwood.
> 
> By the way changing the subject-if you were up one hour ago, before daylight, 
> hope you noticed--Reddish Antares in Scorpio, Jupiter, the Moon, Saturn, and 
> right above the eastern horizon-Venus. Great morning. That lineup will be 
> visible for several mornings before dawn, with the distances between these 
> migrating objects varying each day.
> 
> Preston Forsythe, Browder, KY
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 4:18:16 PM CDT, Charles Loving 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Time flies when you are having fun. 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:21 AM  wrote:
> ps  1976 is only 43 years ago  yer making me feel more ancient than I am
> AGG'i
> 
> 
> From: "Andy Gluesenkamp" 
> To: "texascavers" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 7:11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine 
> covers
> 
> I have been reading my cherished copy of Bill's BITE (Biological 
> Investigations of Troglobitic Eurycea) report and am ever amazed at the 
> effort and thoroughness he put into it.  Even though it is almost 50 years 
> old, it remains a reference of singular value and it is the treasure map that 
> will eventually lead to the rediscovery of Eurycea robusta.  I just wish Bill 
> could be here when we find it.  
> 
> Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
> (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com
> 
> 
> On Monday, March 25, 2019, 3:34:19 PM CDT, Logan  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Bill also appeared on the cover of the Texas Caver several times (e.g. March 
> 1995), and in newspaper articles. I have copies of some of them, but not a 
> complete collection or list. Does anyone have those?
> 
> On 3/25/2019 1:11 PM, Katherine Arens wrote:
> thanks, bill for reminding us
> katie
> On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Bill Steele  wrote:
> 
> The two highest awards awarded by the National Speleological Society (NSS), 
> considered to be equally the highest, are the Honorary Member Award and the 
> William J. Stephenson Award for Outstanding Service. Bill Russell received 
> the Honorary Member Award in 1998. Other Texans, or cavers or cave scientists 
> from Texas or who moved to Texas, who have received it are Bill Elliott, 
> Merlin Tuttle and Jim Goodbar. 
> 
> See this link for information about the award and a list of recipients. 
> 
> http://caves.org/committee/award/honorary.shtml
> 
> Bill Steele 
> speleoste...@aol.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

2019-03-27 Thread PRESTON FORSYTHE 
 The cave trip I made with Bill Russell I will always remember was to the very 
back, read end, of Airman's. What I do not remember is any walking passage in 
the cave. Zero, i.e., none. No walking passage. maybe a little stoop passage, 
not much.  And, the very worthwhile formation area, Selentites, (sp), long 
crystal needles, the goal of the trip, was at the very end. Unfortunately, the 
end was on the other side of the infamousdrum rollWIRE WIGGLE.
The tightest cave passage I have ever been thru. 
Bill led the way throught that like a cave salamander. Not only was the long 
crawl a Wire Wiggle in the truest sense of the word, but on the far side it had 
a 120 degree bend. On the way out I learned one had to totally relax and flow 
like a worm, as thoughts of being Trapped entered my headThe knees would 
not bend around that sharp turnI would not recommend that stunt again 
unless one weighted 165 pounds or less, and shorter than 5 ft. 11 inches 
tall.The Wire Wiggle, which I bet Bill named, was even tighter than Dead 
Dog Cave also in Austin, another "test piece," of limited space caving. 
As for Dead Dog Cave, I think the Bittinger Brothers pioneered that one, but I 
would not be surprised if Bill Russell did not have a hand in it, too. I did 
that cave with Don Coons, on one of Don's first trips to Austin and "Onward 
Thru the Fog" caving adventures to Mexico.Again, do not try Dead Dog unless 
you are 165 lbs. or lessI seem to recall Dead Dog was sealed by the city of 
Austin??
When Bill Russell moved to Kirkwood Circle he lived upstairs and the Bittinger 
Brothers lived downstairs. That was I believe the second caver house at 
Kirkwood, and after Frank Binney established 1307 1/2 Kirkwood.
By the way changing the subject-if you were up one hour ago, before daylight, 
hope you noticed--Reddish Antares in Scorpio, Jupiter, the Moon, Saturn, and 
right above the eastern horizon-Venus. Great morning. That lineup will be 
visible for several mornings before dawn, with the distances between these 
migrating objects varying each day.
Preston Forsythe, Browder, KY

 
On Tuesday, March 26, 2019, 4:18:16 PM CDT, Charles Loving 
 wrote:  
 
 Time flies when you are having fun. 
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:21 AM  wrote:

ps  1976 is only 43 years ago  yer making me feel more ancient than I am
AGG'i


From: "Andy Gluesenkamp" 
To: "texascavers" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 7:11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

I have been reading my cherished copy of Bill's BITE (Biological Investigations 
of Troglobitic Eurycea) report and am ever amazed at the effort and 
thoroughness he put into it.  Even though it is almost 50 years old, it remains 
a reference of singular value and it is the treasure map that will eventually 
lead to the rediscovery of Eurycea robusta.  I just wish Bill could be here 
when we find it.  
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Monday, March 25, 2019, 3:34:19 PM CDT, Logan  
wrote:  
 
  Bill also appeared on the cover of the Texas Caver several times (e.g. March 
1995), and in newspaper articles. I have copies of some of them, but not a 
complete  collection or list. Does anyone have those?
 
 On 3/25/2019 1:11 PM, Katherine Arens wrote:
  
 
 thanks, bill for reminding us katie
  
 On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Bill Steele  wrote: 
  The two highest awards awarded by the National Speleological Society (NSS), 
considered to be equally the highest, are the Honorary Member Award  and the 
William J. Stephenson Award for Outstanding Service. Bill Russell received the 
Honorary Member Award in 1998. Other Texans, or cavers or cave scientists from 
Texas or who moved to Texas, who have received it are Bill Elliott, Merlin 
Tuttle and Jim Goodbar.  
  See this link for information about the award and a list of recipients.  
  http://caves.org/committee/award/honorary.shtml
 
  Bill Steele  speleoste...@aol.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Peyton Abbott

2019-03-27 Thread PRESTON FORSYTHE 
 Good job, David, on letting us know about P.O.

Preston in KY
On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 1:17:53 AM CDT, David  
wrote:  
 
 I strongly feel that if someone is going to sum up their life's accomplishment 
intoa tiny single paragraph, and mention that they loved caves, or were a 
caver, then we shouldat least take a second to honor them.
The link below appears to show a Texas caver that passed away two weeks ago.
For those of you who will not read the obituary, it appears he caved in Travis 
Countyaround 1950, plus or minus a year or 2 ( say, 1948 to 1952 ).    It looks 
like he wasa hydrologist and geologist and worked most of his career in the 
Pueblo, Colorado 
area.

 https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/austin-tx/peyton-abbott-8196551
I can only guess that some of the old-timers knew him, or knew of him.    I 
couldnot find anything grotto related or speleological related in a brief 
Google search.
I would bet that he knew all about Austin Caverns, and Cobb Caverns or anything 
elsethat was popular back in the early 1950s.    Since his interest was 
hydrology, he probablypoked around in every spring he could find, possibly even 
Honeycreek Cave.

D.L.
The good news is that other than Bill's recent obituary, I was not able to find 
anythingelse after an hour of searching the web.
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[Texascavers] Peyton Abbott

2019-03-27 Thread David 
I strongly feel that if someone is going to sum up their life's
accomplishment into
a tiny single paragraph, and mention that they loved caves, or were a
caver, then we should
at least take a second to honor them.

The link below appears to show a Texas caver that passed away two weeks ago.

For those of you who will not read the obituary, it appears he caved in
Travis County
around 1950, plus or minus a year or 2 ( say, 1948 to 1952 ).It looks
like he was
a hydrologist and geologist and worked most of his career in the Pueblo,
Colorado
area.


https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/austin-tx/peyton-abbott-8196551

I can only guess that some of the old-timers knew him, or knew of him.I
could
not find anything grotto related or speleological related in a brief Google
search.

I would bet that he knew all about Austin Caverns, and Cobb Caverns or
anything else
that was popular back in the early 1950s.Since his interest was
hydrology, he probably
poked around in every spring he could find, possibly even Honeycreek Cave.

D.L.

The good news is that other than Bill's recent obituary, I was not able to
find anything
else after an hour of searching the web.
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