Re: [Texascavers] Cavers
A stink of cavers. Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:55 PM, Jerry wrote: > > > I think it depends on the group. > > A group of expedition cavers would likely be a column of cavers as they have > a purpose and a mission, well regimented and disciplined. Marching off into > the unknown karst for fame and fortune. > > A group of recreational cavers would more likely be a giggle of cavers as > they're out to have fun and see what they will see, looking forward to their > apres caving party and drink. Marching off to have a laid back adventure. > > A group of spelunking cavers (boy scouts and other non-grotto affiliated > spelunkers) would more likely be a clunk of cavers as they may leave trash > and other mementos of their adventures. These folks have no idea what they're > marching off to. > > Jerry. > > -Original Message- > From: John Brooks > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Cc: SWR >> New Mexico Cavers ; Sandia Grotto > > Sent: Fri, Apr 23, 2021 5:35 pm > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavers > > Karsty’s > > >> On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: >> > > What do you call a collection of cavers? There are gaggles of geese, pods of > whales and murders of crows. What term would do justice to the special nature > of cavers? I once suggested a column of cavers, as cave teams usually go > single-file when traversing (especially well protected) cave passages. Does > anyone have a better idea? > > Lee Skinner > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Sponsored by https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part_medium=uol_campaign=rss_taglines_more CDC Panel Votes to End Johnson & Johnson Pause http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/6083629cd419a629b19dest01vuc1 India's COVID Catastrophe Is Only Getting Worse http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/6083629d383d629b19dest01vuc2 Navalny Will Start Eating Again http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/6083629d2874f629b19dest01vuc3___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Unusual cave fatality
Definitely can happen out there. Our subdivision is basically hollow Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Lee H. Skinner wrote: > > Cave gobbles up man in his own backyard: > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/07/hawaii-lava-tubes-deadly-fall-backyard-big-island/ > > > Lee > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Drink 1 Cup Before Bed, Watch Your Body Fat Melt Like Crazy mayserve-magestor.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5dc474e9d272074e80f44st04vuc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] sort of conservation related
David, this your first post that has made me really angry. That girl was courageous. You simply do not have facts on your side for most of your rant. Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 23, 2019, at 8:56 PM, David wrote: > > We are all conservationist here to some extent, and should be able to discuss > conservation without getting our knickers in a wad, or using the p-word. > > Today in the world news, was a young passionate girl giving an official > speech of > some sort to the United Nations, I assume which was on behalf of her > generation. > > Some of you may have seen parts of it or all of it. > > Our conservation efforts are likely better in 2019 than what was going on in > 1943. > > As a self-employed person, I struggle to even recycle the products that I use > that > are recyclable. I made numerous efforts to drive a fuel-efficient car, > for most of > my adult life. My V8 Sequoia is now a necessity to survive, although, in > hindsight it > was a waste to get the 4x4 version. > > There is no way on Earth, I could use public transportation in my daily > routine.I wasted > thousands of dollars trying. > > As for wind-energy, there is little of that in southeast Texas, and windmills > kill birds and bats, > and are unsightly on the landscape. Solar-farms are highly sensitive to > sand-storms and the > areas with the greatest sun-potential have sand-storms. > > Population growth is a topic nobody seems to want to touch.We have too > many humans on > Earth - especially humans who are not in any way trying to make life better > for their neighbor. > ( I do lots of charity work ).My job is a charity job in a sense. > > We have people in our society that proudly drive their trucks intentionally > spewing fumes into the > air - as if it is a counter-statement. We have vandals who damage natural > places, out of boredom > and pure nefarious intentions. > > What this young activist does not understand is how capitalism works and the > private sector and > the public sector, but more importantly how people with low morals end up in > high places, like being > a judge in a court-room after having spent 10 years helping low-life > criminals get through the revolving-door > quicker. I am in the private sector and I have to deal with b.s. up to > my waist. Why > just today, a crooked gov't official caused me to waste about $ 10 in gas, > out of my own pocket.This > young lady has never had to work, and see the b.s. that goes on. At many > places that I had worked in > previous years, I was coerced > into forging a time-sheet, over-charging the rich customers to under-charge > the poor-ones, or maybe even > vice-versa. > > We do need to plant more trees, but it will be years before those trees grow > to replace the ones that got > cut down. It is likely those new trees would be cut down too someday, so > what is the point ?Nearly > every tree-planting effort in Houston has been a disaster.The last big > drought a few years ago, killed > most of them. > > Elon Musk is selling Teslas as fast as he can, but this young lady does not > understand the economics behind > all that. Tesla is a crappy choice of a car in southeast Texas. > People in southeast Texas need vehicles that > are 4 feet off the ground, and are bullet-resistant. > > There was a big push for ethanol vehicles a few years ago.That program > was a disaster in Houston area. > Millions of buyers here over-payed for the ethanol-compatible cars ( > flex-fuel ), only to find out that it was a > pain in the ***. Cheaper fuel and more fuel stations and larger > fuel-tanks in the vehicles was needed. > > Light-Rail in Houston has been a disaster and there is talk of ripping it out > and putting in a dedicated bus lane > in the same spot. I was in favor of light-rail until I saw how ludicrous > the management of the projects were, > and the hurt it did to the businesses along the route. > > The UN did not "steal this girls dreams." "The fairy-tales of business > greed," is what the have-nots always have > said during every revolution, as they over-throw the rich and powerful. > It is always ironic when a poor person > suddenly becomes rich, how they don't want to pay taxes, and buy Learjets, > and yachts and have wild-parties. > > I am sharing a 2-bedroom apartment with a strange introvert stranger. > This effort is due to economic stress, but I have > always wanted to share my living space with someone who was compatible. I > do not need a kitchen, nor > bath, nor living room, n
Re: [Texascavers] West Virginia caves
Wow! Awesome photo. Barb and Don Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2019, at 4:26 PM, mmin...@caver.net wrote: > > Well, since you asked, last weekend Zeb Lilly and Brian Williams connected > McClungs Cave to Maxwelton by diving an intervening sump. The resulting Great > Savannah System is 40 miles long. Another cave called Ludington is very close > to connecting and will add another 9 miles. So, there will soon be another > 50-mile-long cave on the books. > > Cass is one of my project caves. The historic entrance has been closed for > years, but we now have a backdoor at the far end near the downstream sump. (A > through trip would be possible, but has never been done that I know of.) We > resurveyed Cass several years ago and made several significant new > discoveries. Bob Zimmerman published a monograph on the cave in 2011: > <https://www.wvass.org/>, but it is already out-of-print. Cover photo > attached. That is not the classic drop near Suicide Falls, but rather a new > drop from a passage accessed by bolt climbing. The main passage is about 100 > feet high. Terry McClanathan is on rope and I'm holding the flash. > > Mark Minton > mmin...@caver.net > >> On 2019-09-03 13:23, David wrote: >> In 2000, I had the unique opportunity to go on a recreational caving >> trip into Cass Cave.That trip was one of the most fun ever. ( >> But only to learn two weeks later, that one of the cavers on the trip >> had later had a heart attack and died [ Sanders ? ] ) >> While in the area, I visited entrances to several caves. >> I could only wonder what was below and the undiscovered passages >> remaining there, as the potential for digging seemed enormous - >> breakdown blocked passages, airflow, sumps, subterreanean >> resurgencesc, springs etc. >> What a wonderful place for a caver to live. >> It will be exciting to someday hear the news of any connection between >> two caves. >> D.L. > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers 1 Cup (Before Bed) Burns Belly Fat Like Crazy! worldhealthlabs.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5d6ee7272404467263644st01duc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] various topics
Wow, David. Terry Murray was a good friend of mine for many years. We lost touch and I was just thinking about him the other day. Thank you for finding that. Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 31, 2019, at 2:22 AM, David wrote: > > I hope you are all caving this Labor Day Weekend, or at least enjoying a shady > spot on a lake or river somewhere.I wish I was sitting under a beautiful > waterfall. > But I am stuck here in Houston for weeks, if not months. > > As I have mentioned several times, it is my opinion that if someone > is going to sum up their life in a tiny paragraph for a few people to read > in the news, and they or their loved ones make the effort to mention they > were a member of The National Speleological Society, or loved caves, or > loved caving, etc., or that he asked for donations to go to a caving project, > etc. > then the least I can do is mention that here. > > Terrance Murray > > Terrence Alan “Terry” Murray, age 57, of Aurora, IL, passed away in the > evening of August 25, 2019. > > Terry loved the outdoors. He liked to go hiking, skiing, canoeing, and > birding. He also liked to explore caves as a member of the National > Speleological Society (Windy City Grotto.) Terry especially liked birding and > became expert in bird songs and the identification of birds. He led birding > walks in parks and forest preserves around Aurora and the greater Chicago > area. He led numerous birding walks around Nelson Lake in Batavia where a > bench was installed in his honor. He was a member of the Kane County Audubon > Society, the Sierra Club, and the Phoenix Club of Aurora. Terry was a loving > brother and friend, an avid nature enthusiast, and an adventurer. > > Additional visitation to follow on Saturday, August 31, from 10-11 a.m., with > a service to celebrate his life of laughter to follow at 11 a.m. In lieu of > flowers, donations may be made to Kane County Audubon Society, 513 S. 13th > Ave., St. Charles, IL 60174. Tributes may also be left on Conley Funeral Home > Facebook Page or at www.conleycare.com. > > > > Richard E. "Trick" Howard > Lafayette ( Tennesse ?? ) > > 62, passed away peacefully on July 4, 2019, at home with his wife. He was a > nature lover, wood worker, eagle scout, huge caving enthusiast. > > I am not certain of the passing of the next one, so someone else will have to > inquire > ( someone with the same name had an obituary that was in the same area, and > mentioned caving ) > > https://www.facebook.com/shirley.sotona > > > For any of you out there craving news related to caving, here is a web-site, > that seems to be well organized > > https://www.karst.org/ > > > Back on the home front, or I should say office front, my new HP OfficeJet Pro > printer barely survived the first day of use.These > new models are so flimsy, that you have to be super extra cautious moving > them around. Remove the paper tray, and all the > cords, save the packing material, wrap it in bubble wrap if you have to move > it, and keep it horizontal.Better just not to move > it at all, and go buy another one for each spot you think you need a printer. > These models would not survive in a business > where employees, and customers have regular access to the unit. I sent 20 > faxes, and not a single one of them was > received.So Day # 1 was a bummer.Faxing in 2019, seems so *#%&, but > that is the way it is still done in most law > firms, and courts. > > D.L. > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Do This (Before Bed) to Burn Belly Flab All Night Long worldhealthlabs.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5d6a813cd818113a2e67st03duc___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Rancho del Elusive Pit
My fav too . Barb Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2019, at 7:09 AM, Nancy wrote: >> >> Then there was that cow. > > What a great line > Nancy > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Drink This Before Bed, Watch Your Body Fat Melt Like Crazy Diet Insider http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5d2b7b1eeb3f57b1e758bst01duc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] movie The River and the Wall
Looks awesome! Thanks. Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 22, 2019, at 1:01 PM, Logan wrote: > > For cavers and everyone who like rivers. The River and the Wall is an > independent documentary film about a 1200 mile journey down the Rio > Grande/Rio Bravo that is getting rave reviews, so I am trying to let everyone > know about it. https://theriverandthewall.com/ > > In Austin, it is being shown through June by the Austin Film Society. > https://www.austinfilm.org/screening/the-river-and-the-wall/ > > Many cavers are also serious river rafters/kayakers/canoeists. Check out > former cavers Duwain Whitis and Barbara Vinson's excellent maps on their > website http://www.rivermaps.net/ . > > Another very different film is the 1959 John Wayne western Rio Bravo, > rated 5 stars by Rotten Tomatoes https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rio_bravo > and by Roger Ebert https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/rio-bravo-1959 > > (Note: This email is intended as a friendly announcement for the caver > network. It does not contain any disaster stories or traumatic tales of woe. > If you enjoy those, you know where to find them on this listserve.) > > See you at the movies, > Logan McNatt > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Sad News For Meghan Markle And Prince Harry track.volutrk.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5d0e86929f7eb69134a8st03vuc___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] misadventure
What's the latest adventure Americana, David? Barb Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2019, at 2:16 PM, Jill Orr wrote: > > Mega Bus serving over 100 cities on the US: https://us.megabus.com/ with Bus > tickets for as low as $1. > > >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:30 PM David wrote: >> Wednesday night, 11 p.m. >> >> I am in a nice clean motel on the south side of the east Texas town of >> Carthage. I would have made it to Tenaha, had I not been such a w*ssie. >> >> I got a large dose of Americana today, as I was not able to find a single >> Craigslist ride. I learned Sunni Muslims believe Adam had 10,000 children. >> They allegedly want to every Shite.My first ride out of Cookeville >> was an old man who scared the cr*p out of me. He was me from the future, >> 2030, appearing as some sort of bizarre apparition, like that song about >> Hank Williams in the Cadillac. It felt like a horse kicking me in the gut. >> He had done a lot of spelunking in his youth, but no organized caving. ( >> Cedar Creek Cave ? in East Tennessee ) >> >> Oztotl or one of the recently deceased cavers or both must have looked out >> for me. The old guy was willing to drop me off at my aunt"s door in Hot >> Springs. But I decided to press on and visit her another time. >> Unfortunately, it all went downhill from there. It took me 8 hours to get >> from there to this motel. I wasted another hour after that, but it became >> futile to press on. >> >> So far to date, this trip has cost me roughly $ 442. But I lost about $ 300 >> in work so far. >> >> I am still about 8 hours from home, if I had a straight shot. >> >> D.L. >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers 1 Cup (Before Bed) Burns Belly Fat Like Crazy! worldhealthlabs.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5d0bdc8e5558e5c8d2bd2st03vuc___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Another misadventure
I love that! Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 19, 2019, at 7:14 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: > > Can you imagine if every caver lived their life like that... Let's see only > about 45 cavers would make it to the convention and the other 1,435 would be > scattered at various hitchhiking points across the USA... And then there > would be 235,000 emails and replies all explaining their various maladies and > hard luck stories... Ah the tales of the variuos Craigslist drivers like > Freddie Kruger and Leatherface... only if... > >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 6:44 PM Scott Boyd wrote: >> His ride was only to Texarkana on I-30. I-49 is where he needs to go south >> to Humid-town - I mean Houston... >> >> Scott D. Boyd >> GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR, OK & MS >> Professional Transportation, Inc. >> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 5:09 PM John Brooks >>> wrote: >>> What happened? >>> Did you get dumped on the side of the road ? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:59 PM, David wrote: >>>> >>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/y47CBpU325n8rU4R6 >>>> >>>> 4 p.m. Wednesday >>>> 10 miles northeast of Texarkana, Texas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> D.L. >>>> ___ >>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> ___ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Drink This Before Bed, Watch Your Body Fat Melt Like Crazy medjournal.com-publish.net http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5d0b002a5fc0c296fd2st04vuc___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Groad Hollow
Larry Cohen is an actual person - why is he in quotes? ps tell him I said hi. Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 16, 2019, at 6:47 PM, David wrote: > > Typo > > Rune Burnett > > Blake Harrison and Dominique are here. > > Mark Gee just got her telling everybody how wonderful The Geology Field trip > was. > > Old-timer, " Larry Cohen." just showed up. > > The Nashville Grotto has a cool bar set up. There will be a pre-convention > pub-style gathering there tonight. > > Cavers here are reminiscing / chattering about Bill Mixon. > > D.L. > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Do This (Before Bed) to Burn Belly Flab All Night Long worldhealthlabs.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5d06ec10c1576c0f3150st03duc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] a road-trip story - part 2
Yes! I was wondering that too. (Which goes to show I have been procrastinating doing something productive this morning.) :-) Barb Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 16, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Katherine Arens wrote: > > also a question: how can the duffel weigh 100 lbs with no camping gear? > just asking why you’re transporting rocks . . . > >> On Jun 16, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Barb wrote: >> >> David, you could have flown on southwest and camped for less than you are >> probably going to end up paying now- if you plan ahead. But it seems you >> hate that. Btw, you can also cancel flights on SW with no penalty and then >> rebook for the next year's convention if plans get screwy. Just saying. >> Barb Coons >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 16, 2019, at 8:17 AM, David wrote: >>> >>> From David Locklear >>> >>> My Craigslist chauffeur lived up to his end of the deal. >>> >>> I had no idea what to expect, but was assuming Dr. Lecter. He >>> arranged to meet Saturday morning for breakfast at his cheap hotel >>> in southwest Houston. I was not going to pry into his agenda, >>> and told him I would be there. This location allowed me to leave >>> the Sequoia at my apartment. I wasted an hour trying to find a ride, >>> to his hotel, and then tried to bum a ride off my neighbors.In >>> hindsight, >>> I should have just walked a 1/4 mile to the bus stop, as the bus allegedly >>> runs every 30 minutes on Saturday. ( I had only rode it once before a long >>> time ago, and lacked the time to study the bus routes ). >>> >>> Anyways, my duffle-bag back weighed 100 lbs, and only had a shoulder strap, >>> and I was wearing >>> flip-flops.I was drenching in sweat by the time the bus arrived. >>> The bus >>> dropped me off a mile from his hotel and I had to walk it Mixtecan-style >>> with >>> my duffle-bag on my head.I was in a dangerous part of town to be alone, >>> and >>> had all my trip funds on me as cash, which is something I would not have >>> done >>> had I had time to prepare for the trip. >>> >>> By the time I got to his hotel, I was an hour late, but he didn't seem to >>> mind.I was >>> drenching in sweat, and exhausted when I met him, so that was not a way to >>> make >>> a good first impression. He let me shower and change clothes, so once >>> we got >>> on the road, I felt better. >>> >>> To my surprise, my first impression of my new Craigslist chauffeur was not >>> Dr. Lecter, >>> but instead Mr. Wan Kuok-koi, leader >>> of the 14K Triad syndicate in China.But that seemed better than what I >>> was >>> assuming he would be. He had already finished breakfast, but let >>> me eat while he packed up his room. He drove non-stop to Texarkana, >>> and I took >>> over and drove non-stop to Nashville. There I convinced him to drive me >>> to Cookeville >>> and get a motel and we would split it, even though Nashville and Cookeville >>> were off his >>> main route of travel to Detroit. All in all that, cost me $ 175, money >>> I really should have >>> spent going to the dentist. >>> >>> We made the trip in a new Chevy Equinox.It had integrated into the >>> side-mirrors a tiny >>> yellow symbol to warn you of a car in your blind spot. That feature >>> would be worthless in >>> Houston, as you always have a car in your blind-spot, and so the light >>> would be very >>> annoying. You would have to cover it with black tape. >>> >>> My Craigslist chauffeur, claimed his name was Barry.He listened to that >>> confounded National >>> Propaganda Radio, for 15 hours, driving me fr*ckin nuts.He hardly >>> uttered a single word for 15 hours, even though he >>> spoke perfect English. ( He claimed he was originally from Maine and had >>> been in the Coast Guard >>> briefly ) I tried my best to find a topic we could converse, but he was >>> either an introvert or an >>> underworld fugitive, or there was a remote chance he figured I was crazy as >>> a loon, or most likely all >>> three of those. >>> >>> I am now in Room 301, Sunday morning. I plan to sleep until noon, if >>> the hotel will let me. >>> >>> I have no id
Re: [Texascavers] a road-trip story - part 2
David, you could have flown on southwest and camped for less than you are probably going to end up paying now- if you plan ahead. But it seems you hate that. Btw, you can also cancel flights on SW with no penalty and then rebook for the next year's convention if plans get screwy. Just saying. Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 16, 2019, at 8:17 AM, David wrote: > > From David Locklear > > My Craigslist chauffeur lived up to his end of the deal. > > I had no idea what to expect, but was assuming Dr. Lecter. He > arranged to meet Saturday morning for breakfast at his cheap hotel > in southwest Houston. I was not going to pry into his agenda, > and told him I would be there. This location allowed me to leave > the Sequoia at my apartment. I wasted an hour trying to find a ride, > to his hotel, and then tried to bum a ride off my neighbors.In hindsight, > I should have just walked a 1/4 mile to the bus stop, as the bus allegedly > runs every 30 minutes on Saturday. ( I had only rode it once before a long > time ago, and lacked the time to study the bus routes ). > > Anyways, my duffle-bag back weighed 100 lbs, and only had a shoulder strap, > and I was wearing > flip-flops.I was drenching in sweat by the time the bus arrived. The > bus > dropped me off a mile from his hotel and I had to walk it Mixtecan-style with > my duffle-bag on my head.I was in a dangerous part of town to be alone, > and > had all my trip funds on me as cash, which is something I would not have done > had I had time to prepare for the trip. > > By the time I got to his hotel, I was an hour late, but he didn't seem to > mind.I was > drenching in sweat, and exhausted when I met him, so that was not a way to > make > a good first impression. He let me shower and change clothes, so once we > got > on the road, I felt better. > > To my surprise, my first impression of my new Craigslist chauffeur was not > Dr. Lecter, > but instead Mr. Wan Kuok-koi, leader > of the 14K Triad syndicate in China.But that seemed better than what I > was > assuming he would be. He had already finished breakfast, but let > me eat while he packed up his room. He drove non-stop to Texarkana, and > I took > over and drove non-stop to Nashville. There I convinced him to drive me > to Cookeville > and get a motel and we would split it, even though Nashville and Cookeville > were off his > main route of travel to Detroit. All in all that, cost me $ 175, money I > really should have > spent going to the dentist. > > We made the trip in a new Chevy Equinox.It had integrated into the > side-mirrors a tiny > yellow symbol to warn you of a car in your blind spot. That feature would > be worthless in > Houston, as you always have a car in your blind-spot, and so the light would > be very > annoying. You would have to cover it with black tape. > > My Craigslist chauffeur, claimed his name was Barry.He listened to that > confounded National > Propaganda Radio, for 15 hours, driving me fr*ckin nuts.He hardly > uttered a single word for 15 hours, even though he > spoke perfect English. ( He claimed he was originally from Maine and had > been in the Coast Guard > briefly ) I tried my best to find a topic we could converse, but he was > either an introvert or an > underworld fugitive, or there was a remote chance he figured I was crazy as a > loon, or most likely all > three of those. > > I am now in Room 301, Sunday morning. I plan to sleep until noon, if the > hotel will let me. > > I have no idea what I am going to do this afternoon. I really don't have > the funds to be up here, and I really > have a ton of chores waiting on me back in Houston.I have not been > able to find a ride home > yet, but there is a shuttle bus back to Nashville. I assume I won't have > to hard of a problem getting > back to Nashville. > > I will likely only purchase a 1-Day Pass for the NSS Convention. Maybe a > 2-Day Pass. > > I am going to pretend for the next 24 hours that I am on my summer vacation, > but after that, I have to face > my reality, and start pondering how to get back to my apartment, so that I > can get back to work. > > P.S. The pool is broken at The Quality Inn, and the breakfast is lame. > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers 1 Cup
Re: [Texascavers] Article (part 1) on Sheck Exley :
PS: We currently spending a week near Los Fresnos, birding not caving - but in Texas :-) Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2019, at 8:11 AM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: > > Remembering Suwannee: Tragedy stressed diver safety to Sheck Exley > > https://www.suwanneedemocrat.com/opinion/remembering-suwannee-tragedy-stressed-diver-safety-to-sheck-exley/article_78ea5b56-128e-11e9-b80e-5b40c764923a.html > > Jerry Atkinson. > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Popcorn Does This To Your Brain (Proof) clearstateofmind.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5c38bd1aad723d191915st02vuc___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Article (part 1) on Sheck Exley :
Hey thanks! It would be great if you keep posting the rest. Barb and Don Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2019, at 8:11 AM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: > > Remembering Suwannee: Tragedy stressed diver safety to Sheck Exley > > https://www.suwanneedemocrat.com/opinion/remembering-suwannee-tragedy-stressed-diver-safety-to-sheck-exley/article_78ea5b56-128e-11e9-b80e-5b40c764923a.html > > Jerry Atkinson. > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Oncologists Are Freaking Out Over True Cause of Cancer pro.healthresponses.org http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5c38b825a87ea38244aeest03duc___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?
That's so strange because when I called for Don and myself, all they did was verify phone and email and mailing address basically. No request for photo or request to purchase stuff. Guess I got off easy. Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Stephen Fleming wrote: > > It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS. > > The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor funds > the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise. > > However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a significant fund > raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small commission on sales." > > The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is disingenuous in > not revealing this financial arrangement. You have to search the NSS website > to find that tidbit. > > Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to contact > me and they already have everything they need to know. > > Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver info and > seeks information the NSS has no business collecting. > > I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and not > tolerated. > > I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even to a > contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to participate > pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data. > > Stephen > 13727 RL FE > > > >> On 7/19/2018 14:25, Steve Peerman wrote: >> Allen, >> It’s not a scam, but you are under no obligation to buy the product >> that they are making. It is supposed to be an NSS directory of all NSS >> members past and present. I submitted my information, but I didn’t buy the >> book. It seems rather pricey to me. >> >> >>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Allen wrote: >>> >>> Hey all, >>> Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the NSS members >>> manual. Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow postcard with the NSS logo >>> on it. It has a title of "Verification of caver data" in all caps, and a >>> Po Box in Dallas Tx. >>> >>> I called the number on the card and the phone operator started asking some >>> odd questions about place of employment, phone numbers, email, marital >>> status, name of spouse, name of kids, grotto affiliation. Then at the end >>> they want you to send them a color picture of yourself, a bill would then >>> be sent out for two payments of $50 for the hard bound book. Or because I >>> am a member, would bundle a sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital copy, >>> for two payments of $75... I didn't provide much info, but started >>> questioning it by the end. >>> >>> Anyone know anything about this? Is it a scam? Is the NSS publishing the >>> members manual in hardback? >>> Allen > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers New 'Super' Light American's Are Raving Over buytaclight.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b5105cbaca255c9357dst04vuc___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Pete Strickland
500,000 miles! Cool. Barb Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 5, 2018, at 5:48 PM, Mark Minton wrote: > > Thanks, everyone, for sharing the circumstances of Pete's passing. I knew he > had been ill but thought he had improved or at least stabilized. It is a > great loss. > > Pete was the one who pointed out a white, 4WD school bus for sale in south > Austin back in 1980. I bought it and used it for Huautla (and other) trips to > Mexico throughout the '80s. Pete helped me customize the bus for expedition > use. He came up with an innovative deck design that replaced the middle > seats, and used his welding skill to make the necessary brackets. He also > helped me install a second gas tank and mount a second spare tire under the > floor. > > Gas tanks came up several times in my past experiences with Pete. On one > early trip to Cuetzalan we drove Jocie's then-new brown station wagon down > there. That was soon after U.S. cars needed unleaded gas, but it was not yet > required nor widely available in Mexico. We were careful to fill up at every > big city where we could get it. When we got to Cuetzalan (which did not sell > unleaded), we discovered a hole in Jocie's gas tank. We drained the gas into > buckets and Pete removed the gas tank, flushed it with water, and used a Svea > stove to seal the hole with solder. We dried and replaced the tank, refilled > it with the salvaged gas, and made it the rest of the trip. > > Pete also helped me add a second gas tank to my 1984 Toyota pickup (recently > retired with over 500,000 miles). Since Toyota didn't offer second tanks as > an option, I got one from a junk yard. Only problem was, the filler neck and > mounting brackets were on the wrong side. Pete custom-made new brackets and > mounted the tank backwards on the opposite side of the frame from the factory > tank (after I had the exhaust pipe rerouted down the center above the drive > shaft). The filler neck was concealed in the rear wheel well so we didn't > have to cut a hole in the body. That always got raised eyebrows when I filled > up at Pemex stations. I called it mi tanque escondido. > > Pete was very inventive and could usually come up with a way to solve any > problem. He will be greatly missed. > > Mark Minton > mmin...@caver.net > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers 'Genius' Pill - Top 1% Didn't Want The Public To Know About The Brain Insider http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b3e9367139f813612b89st04vuc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] New Lava Cave !!
PS, they left out the most important geologist, Don Swanson on that clip. Here is an earlier one by the guy who knows the most about the volcano: http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2018/05/20/video-misunderstood-kilauea-is-in-fact-an-explosive-volcano/ -- Original Message -- From: "Barb Coons (Capocy)" To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Lava Cave !! Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 14:57:43 GMT Just as an aside, if you google "inside the closed hawaii volcanoes national park" the youtube video of that is pretty amazing. Not as "wow" as flowing lava, but for those of us who go to Halemaumau a lot the changes are rather mind blowing. Barb -- Original Message -- From: Jim Kennedy To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Lava Cave !! Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 06:42:52 -0500 Now you need to survey it, draft the map, and publish it with a description of the cave in order to make sure your name sticks. Go. Jim Mobile email from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2018, at 12:35 AM, David wrote: > > I just informed about a million people on the internet that I named my newly > discovered lava cave > > "McFrolicker's Lava Cave Number One." ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Constant Fatigue Is A Warning Sign – See The Simple Fix gundrymd.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b379a98940001a980ec3st03vuc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] New Lava Cave !!
Just as an aside, if you google "inside the closed hawaii volcanoes national park" the youtube video of that is pretty amazing. Not as "wow" as flowing lava, but for those of us who go to Halemaumau a lot the changes are rather mind blowing. Barb -- Original Message -- From: Jim Kennedy To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Lava Cave !! Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 06:42:52 -0500 Now you need to survey it, draft the map, and publish it with a description of the cave in order to make sure your name sticks. Go. Jim Mobile email from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2018, at 12:35 AM, David wrote: > > I just informed about a million people on the internet that I named my newly > discovered lava cave > > "McFrolicker's Lava Cave Number One." ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Constant Fatigue Is A Warning Sign – See The Simple Fix gundrymd.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b379a98940001a980ec3st03vuc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Ernie and dead vehicles
Aha! Mystery solved. Cooper, not Coons :-) Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp > wrote: > > If the sedan is a Saturn, it belongs to don Cooper. Also, Terry indicated an > interest in the Toyota. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 27, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Nancy Weaver wrote: >> >> I’m clearing up Ernie Garza’s place and having dead, abandoned vehicles >> hauled off. If you left a 2 door sedan or catamaran in his yard, please >> contact me immediately to have it removed or hauled away. >> >> Nancy >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Worlds Wealthiest People Reveal Brain 'Booster' Supplement The Brain Insider http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b33a0ca1fd0020c90f41st03duc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas attendees to NSS Conv ?
David, as our NSS Pres Geary said to me "cheapest flight is Southwest to Spokane". I checked, he is correct. I booked flight and rental car. No obsessing needed if you do that right now. Unless of course you like that part. Barb Coons bec_kar...@juno.com Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2018, at 3:42 PM, Jim Kennedy wrote: > > Aaaand, so begins the pool for what time Locklear will show up at the > Convention, how long he will stay, and how many emails about what a bad > decision it was. Any takers? > > Mobile email from my iPhone > >> On Jun 6, 2018, at 12:43 PM, David wrote: >> >> From David Locklear >> >> I have not been able to give any thought to going to Montana in late July. >> >> I have not recovered mentally from my road-trip fiasco to the last >> convention. I still owe over $ 10,000 for my new motor ( which I have >> already put 50,000 plus miles on ) >> >> But I am at the point today, where I either need to start turning down work, >> so that I will be free the week of the convention, >> >> or face my reality and just start taking on extra work. >> >> It might as well be in Hawaii or Alaska or Taiwan or Puerto Rico or Guam, >> etc. >> >> Driving my Sequoia there, especially alone, would be one of the stupidest >> thing I ever done, and that list is already longer than most people on Earth. >> >> Flying seems impossible, since I waited so late. >> >> I imagine others will skip this year too. >> >> But I had fun at Bellingham, Marquette and Essex Junction and Maine, and >> other odd places of previous conventions. >> >> D.L. >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers How To Remove Eye Bags & Lip Lines Fast (Watch) Fit Mom Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b1849cf1fd1c49ce10b9st03duc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] lava related
Yeah the news seems to love that fear angle. The fact that most of the island is just fine doesn't make good copy. That said, the videos posted are pretty awesome. It also seems to me that an awful lot of the things we have done in the past are now supposed to kill you. Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On May 22, 2018, at 8:12 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It is my opinion that the major news media has been at least a day or 2 > behind on the news of the > lava events going on near Kilauea. Also, they are so vague in their post, > often using > 3rd party stories, and old footage, and they water-down the stories to appeal > to the I.Q. of their > audience. ( Like warning people not to travel to the Hawaiian islands ) > > There are however some YouTubers that are posting very interesting things, > and > doing so several times a day. > > One of the residents near the active fissures at the rift, ( whose name is > Scott ) has > made dozens of interesting quick videos about what he sees from ground level. > > He walks up to the lava edge after it cools, and pokes it and steps on it and > takes close up pictures > of the needles ( or hair ) and the bamboo holes in the lava, he refers to as > "tree molds." > > Here is an example: > > https://youtu.be/gprMWGvkurY > > https://youtu.be/-5sgWGOc2ME > > https://youtu.be/BJtHx0XHgQ8 > > He has been doing this for about 3 weeks. > > There are other interesting videos relating to plugging eleven wells at a > geothermal plant that is now just about 300 meters from the most active > of the fissures ( fortunately slightly uphill and away from the rift ) > > Watching Scott's videos has been a pleasant distraction from all the toxic > news, tragic news, > and my employment predicament.I am so fed up with the news, and have just > tuned it > out. YouTube seems to be one of the better aspects to the internet. > However, I think > YouTube is getting worse - not better. > > David Locklear > > > This email sent from a Linux computer with the Linux kernel 4.16.11, which > just came > out a few hours ago. Today was an exciting day in LinuxLand. A new > version of > the LXQt desktop environment was released.In a few months, at least a > dozen distros > will offer that new version in their options, most notable of which should be > Lubuntu, and if > not, then I would say to go with SparkyLinux, as they should have the new > version > within a few days. > > There is about a 0.1% chance I am going to the NSS Convention this year. > That is > a bummer.Even if it were closer like Huntsville or Albuquerque, it would > still be around > 2 % chance.I am now learning how hard it is to be the father of a > teenager girl.Is it > really supposed to be this hard ?? > > > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers How To Remove Eye Bags & Lip Lines Fast (Watch) Fit Mom Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5b05763945211763871e1st04vuc___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] 700 foot pit ?
Don says the depth of Na One was measured at 935' from the lip of the pit. The difference is in the sag of the line in the center of the tyrolean. The pit is owned by Bishop Estates and they gave permission specifically stating that nothing be published. Halliday essentially ended access when he published. Caving in Hawaii is trickier than many places due to landowner and native hawaiian sensitivities. At the moment we have been sticking to mapping lava tubes close to home - some quite small - and have the scars to prove it! Barb and Don Coons Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2018, at 3:23 PM, Mixon Bill <bmixon...@austin.rr.com> wrote: > > My guess is that David was conjecturing about a rappel down the wall of a > caldera. > > There are actually two real pits in Hawaii that are the two deepest pits in > the US, per http://www.caverbob.com/pitdome.htm (If the NSS web site was > working right, you could get to caverbob's long and deep lists by way of the > Geology and Geography Section of the NSS.) > > One water-filled pit has been plumbed to 865 feet. Not sure whether this was > by an ROV or simply a weighted line. > > One shaft, Na One, of 862 feet was actually descended by Don Coons. There was > an article about it in the NSS News November 1995, pages 294-295 of a longer > article. The NSS News material is not accessible to Google, so almost might > as well not exist. A map of the pit appears in > http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1278=ijs. > -- Mixon > > A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg. > > You may "reply" to the address this message > (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or edi...@mexicancaves.org > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Good Morning America Confirms Unfortunate News greatsuperstars.world http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5af7573ea6f29573d53cest03duc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] 700 foot pit ?
Um, no. Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On May 10, 2018, at 8:41 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The Kilauea Caldera appears to now have a very scenic 700 foot rappel. > > U.S. taxpayers are getting jipped on this event. > > If the gov't allowed paying jumpers world-wide to pay $ 1,000 each, they > would get 100,000 takers. And if they charged spectators per jump $ 10, > they would make a killing. And if they set up a pay-per-view channel, they > would make millions. > > This would be an enormous benefit to the future of the human race. > > They would make it fun by allowing costumes and group jumps. > > Or allowing tyrolean traverse or zip-line rides. > > Or other creative techniques like jumping out of a helicopter or > bungee-jumping out of a helicopter. > > The millions of dollars raised could go to pancreatic cancer research. > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Warning: Don't Use Probiotics Before You See This gundrymd.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5af50749f5a3748143est04vuc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Various topics - Part 2
Thanks for posting that, David. Don and I hadn't heard. Barb Coons Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2018, at 2:32 AM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Unfortunately, I did stumble on to a recent caver obituary today. I do not > know if I met her. But I think her husband "might" possibly have been our > guide on the Cottonwood Cave tour around 1992 into the lower passage. > > https://www.cremationsocietyofco.com/obit/diannia-lynn-kerbo/ > > > I am curious if anyone from Austin or San Antonio is going to Carlsbad this > weekend ?? > > David Locklear > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers Doctor Warns: Stop Eating This Vegetable Immediately Gundry MD http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5adf28bff323128be44e5st03vuc___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Home Sweet Home ?
LOL what a photo. Perhaps purchase your plane ticket for Montana now and by the time convention rolls around you will have it paid for and no worries. Barb Coons Please note: message attached From: David via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> Subject: [Texascavers] Home Sweet Home ? Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:41:07 -0500 1 Simple Trick Removes Eye Bags & Lip Lines In Seconds Fit Mom Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/594c919216758119127a0st02vuc10:30 p.m. Thursday. 60 hours of H*ll is over. I am at a place that I can call the end of my road-trip. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Any cavers near Decatur ?
"Have You Ever Met an Undesirable Cowpoke?" - that is the title of a book waiting to be written. Barb and Don Coons Currently staying at the Rocket Inn in T or C, on our last leg to Convention tomorrow morning. Please note: message attached From: David via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> Subject: [Texascavers] Any cavers near Decatur ? Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 08:13:04 -0500 One Trick to Catch a Liar The Beacon http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/594733d63395133d67a22st01vucI finally have a "tentative" trip itinerary - something that I have not had in over a year. I hope to be in the town of Decatur, Texas tonight at 9 pm at the Ramada Inn. The link below shows some kind of equestrian business: http://www.ridersandhorses.com/ The owner of that company responded to my Craigslist Ad. For some reason their apprentice-ranch-hand ( herein known as The Cowpoke ) can not seem to figure out how to get from the town of Schulenberg to Alburquerque. So I am highly suspicious as to what Cowpoke's mental issues are. Can they be worse than mine ??My 6th sense tells me that the ranch owner is leaving out some negative info on Cowpoke. He did subtly indicate that Cowpoke is not the talkative type. The plan is to leave Decatur on Sunday morning by 10 a.m.and head to Albuquerque and drop off Cowpoke ( hopefully at a location on the side of our route ), and then head to the NSS Convention in Rio Rancho late Sunday night. According to the caver taking us, he is okay with the itinerary. David Locklear . ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] locklear
Yeah I agree - that was mean. I like David's posts. Barb Coons Please note: message attached From: Jon via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] locklear Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 16:58:48 -0600 Apple#39;s Crazy New Gizmo Forget the iPhone 6. Next hit Apple product leaked. #40;see picture#41; http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5496006d61aee6d2bc7st03vucJulie this seems like an 0verly harsh reply. It seems civility is being lostSent from my Samsung Mobile Julie Jenkins via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: I gotta say this- lockear, most of the time u don't know what the hell yur talking about!!All u posts r crap U sir know nothing clearly factual about any Austin caves and I doubt what ever in may accidentally read that u post. So I don't have to put up with seeing yur BS and complete crap. I've chosen to block yur name from any type of contact, FB , or anything else!David, shut the F---k Up! And quit postingJulesOn Dec 20, 2014, at 3:09 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:Cave x.is owned t regents private school. The cave passage goes directly under there very nice green football field. Ive heard The school does not want anyone to enter the cave in fear if finding out that all those fertilizers are effecting the cave.Galen P. FalgoutSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 19, 2014, at 11:12 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:The original post about the cave in Austin mentioned something about the city acquiring land. The storm sewer lies in a highfalutin neighborhood. It does not seem practical to buy a land preserve there. The cost of ripping out the storm-sewer and doing a gov't authorized dig would be a million dollars. A more worthwhile project would be something at "Cave X, " which I would guess is controlled by the Balcones Escarpment District, which I know nothing about. David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com ___Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comTexascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comTexascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Preston Forsythe
Preston, Can you contact me off-list please? Thanks! (Sorry to bother everyone else.) Barb Coons bec_kar...@juno.com Nerve Pain from Diabetes? Find relief with a breakthrough formula. 100% money back guarantee. Try it FREE* http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5491123a6b915123a45ebst04vuc ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: IT'S PAPER!!! IT'S REALLY PAPER?
That was totally cool by the way. Barb Coons Please note: message attached From: Fritz Holt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: IT'S PAPER!!! IT'S REALLY PAPER? Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:32:34 -0500 Kaiser Permanente#174; FEHB A Leader in Quality Care With the Lowest Cost HMO Plan. Learn More! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5436c9561f8d049562140st04vucLooking at all the related posts, I think TCR will be a blast, as usual. Seems like a stretch but I guess it is all considered caving related. What ever happened to OT? Is it deactivated? My post is definitely OT but at least it isn't political. It is very interesting and informative. Fritz Holt fritz...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: June Levy kittymr...@aol.com Date: October 6, 2014 at 5:06:49 PM CDT To: Marianne mango0...@yahoo.com, Brody Neuenschwander brod...@skynet.be, GrAcie Terrill gracieterr...@sbcglobal.net, Fran Bruce sfbru...@att.net, Fritz Holt fritz...@gmail.com, clara swanzie neuenschwander clara.ne...@hotmail.com, Nadine nadine.leb...@vives.be Subject: Fwd: IT'S PAPER!!! IT'S REALLY PAPER? Subject: Fw: Fwd: IT'S PAPER!!! IT'S REALLY PAPER? Keep saying to yourself, IT'S PAPER!!! IT'S REALLY PAPER? Yes, it's only paper. But wait till you see it. Absolutely amazing. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=524687030973306set=vb.72341214778type=2theater ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal
I agree! David! Don't shut up :-) Barb Please note: message attached From: John Greer jgr...@greerservices.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:12:06 -0600 Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e9cc6a0d20f0b75942st05vuc---BeginMessage--- I don't have time to read most posts, and I certainly don't have time (days or weeks) to comb through the web trying to find everything that I want to know about, however peripherally. That's why God invented David and several other people who seem to spend their lives looking for things that the rest of us can access. For instance, there is a Spanish caver that posts about 200 things a week on cave archeology and deep cave discoveries. Without him (and David) I certainly wouldn't have a clue what's going on in the world. I can't tell David what to do with his life, especially in the face of constant and extreme criticism, or what the rest of this list wants to allow to be posted, but I certainly vote for vociferousness (that's a word!) over silence and ignorance. And that pertains to potential cave lights as well as just caving news in general. John - Original Message - From: Nancy Weaver To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal David - I for one appreciate your posts and encourage you to continue. I realize its difficult not to take criticism personally, however my observation is that those critical people generally have nothing of value to say and so often ignore their own rules about whats OK for cavetex that it provides my daily laugh. heres another vote for your interesting posts Nancy - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal
I agree! David! Don't shut up :-) Barb Please note: message attached From: John Greer jgr...@greerservices.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:12:06 -0600 Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e9cc6a0d20f0b75942st05vuc---BeginMessage--- I don't have time to read most posts, and I certainly don't have time (days or weeks) to comb through the web trying to find everything that I want to know about, however peripherally. That's why God invented David and several other people who seem to spend their lives looking for things that the rest of us can access. For instance, there is a Spanish caver that posts about 200 things a week on cave archeology and deep cave discoveries. Without him (and David) I certainly wouldn't have a clue what's going on in the world. I can't tell David what to do with his life, especially in the face of constant and extreme criticism, or what the rest of this list wants to allow to be posted, but I certainly vote for vociferousness (that's a word!) over silence and ignorance. And that pertains to potential cave lights as well as just caving news in general. John - Original Message - From: Nancy Weaver To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal David - I for one appreciate your posts and encourage you to continue. I realize its difficult not to take criticism personally, however my observation is that those critical people generally have nothing of value to say and so often ignore their own rules about whats OK for cavetex that it provides my daily laugh. heres another vote for your interesting posts Nancy - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal
I agree! David! Don't shut up :-) Barb Please note: message attached From: John Greer jgr...@greerservices.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:12:06 -0600 Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e9cc6a0d20f0b75942st05vuc---BeginMessage--- I don't have time to read most posts, and I certainly don't have time (days or weeks) to comb through the web trying to find everything that I want to know about, however peripherally. That's why God invented David and several other people who seem to spend their lives looking for things that the rest of us can access. For instance, there is a Spanish caver that posts about 200 things a week on cave archeology and deep cave discoveries. Without him (and David) I certainly wouldn't have a clue what's going on in the world. I can't tell David what to do with his life, especially in the face of constant and extreme criticism, or what the rest of this list wants to allow to be posted, but I certainly vote for vociferousness (that's a word!) over silence and ignorance. And that pertains to potential cave lights as well as just caving news in general. John - Original Message - From: Nancy Weaver To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] news related / personal David - I for one appreciate your posts and encourage you to continue. I realize its difficult not to take criticism personally, however my observation is that those critical people generally have nothing of value to say and so often ignore their own rules about whats OK for cavetex that it provides my daily laugh. heres another vote for your interesting posts Nancy - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Locklear sighting
Aw man, there was a pool? How did I miss that? At the Howdy party he was seen have a lively discussion with Don (Coons) about what clothing would be appropriate for a cave expedition to Mars. Oh my. Barb -- Original Message -- From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Locklear sighting List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:06:36 -0400 It lives! Locklear actually made it to the NSS Convention in time for the Howdy Party. Who had Monday at 5:30 in the arrival pool? - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c575fd5253ae50a44dst03vuc - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] cave scientist in the news
Ha! Yeah, I learned that lesson a long time ago too. Wow, that is one of the silliest things I've read in print about cavers in awhile. If she really did say it, perhaps it is an opening for her, as a teacher, to become better educated. B -- Original Message -- From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] cave scientist in the news List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:56:18 -0500 http://kykernel.com/2010/04/15/professor-goes-from-caves-to-classroom/ You have to be careful what you say when you do interviews with newspapers. ( Fortunately, I learned that lesson when I was young. ) In this case she claimed: “As far as I know, I am the only woman doing exploration and science in underwater caves,” she said. “There are some other women who cave dive, but they do it for exploration only and for a short time only.” If that is not true, I am sure it was taken out of context, or the reporter sensationalized it to get a good story. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com A Reverse Mortgage? Near 70? Find out how much money you can get from a reverse mortgage. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bc879f0afa3e30185bst05vuc - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Postings of late
Perfect. B -- Original Message -- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Cavetex texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Postings of late List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:01:20 -0600 As anyone that has been on this mailing list for any length of time, you'll know that the flood of emails come in cycles and that when the stars align as well as the moon is in the right phase, we get a deluge of emails that probably shouldn't be here. As the list owner, I get sent a few comments every now and then, sometimes I take action, sometimes I just ignore unless the issue or statement is repeated, and sometimes it just depends on how the email strikes me that day or my mood. Since I took over in 2006, I've always intended for this list to be self moderated, everyone here is an adult in at least their age, if not their personality, and 99% of the rude comments wouldn't be said to the person's face, or in front of a group of almost 300 like this. If you see a comment on the list that you don't like, please don't respond to all, send a private email to that person only. There have been times that I've done this, and others that I'll reply to all, but I'm mainly doing this to make an example out of a person. Most of you know, many forget, that we have cave/land owners, government employees (of our parks and caves) and some very important people (at least in the caving community) on this list. How you portray yourself on here reflects on us all. You have created a reputation that has helped in some cases, and destroyed us as a community in others. Unfortunately, even through the TSA does not own this list, but has helped it out financially, it is associated with this list in some eyes, and because of this, the TSA has a few black marks against it. Only time will resolve that little problem. Before this email gets to long, this is a simple request, and its pretty much common sense. Stop and think before you hit that send button. Is it relevant to everyone that is a TexasCaver? Would you say it to the persons face in front of everyone at a convention? There are a few people who need to grow up, a few who need to relax, and everyone else needs to hit the delete key, enjoy the entertainment and move on :) If anyone has questions, comments, complaints or gripes, send them to me, off-list please Charles list administrator who is on his soap box today - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=IdfkfjPJ8iFlzg2e07kAiwAAJ1AcZL6HjrPKv0UStZBUcFa4AAYAAADNAAAEUgA=
Re: [Texascavers] a caver in the news
Hey David, Thanks!! Steve is a great friend of ours and indeed, an awesome caver (as is his wife Rachel). We've been missing them this season in Hawaii - they normally come on our for a few weeks to map lava tubes but this year things got a little quirky. Barb Coons -- Original Message -- From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] a caver in the news List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:56:57 -0600 This news article is from Saturday: http://www.sitnews.us/0210news/021810/021810_caving.html So how does one become recognized as a state's foremost caver? By the number of caver Facebook friends they have? If so, we have 2 foremost cavers in Texas. I think you would have to hold the prestigious Lew Bicking Award, to be considered, the state's foremost caver. I can name at least 2 or 3 active Texas cavers that have that. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=gnbhizlp0JMYp5m8F6bAYQAAJ1DVBztsEY32apQvj1KtvBv_AAYAAADNAAASUQA= - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
