Re: [Texascavers] Terry Raines email
Thank you! From: Texascavers on behalf of Mimi Jasek Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 11:19 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: RainesWaterHarvest Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Terry Raines email Also, the address you were trying should have been tmrai...@amcs.org<mailto:tmrai...@amcs.org>. The m was missing. We also have tickacres...@gmail.com<mailto:tickacres...@gmail.com>. Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2020, at 8:15 AM, William R. Elliott mailto:speodes...@gmail.com>> wrote: Try RainesWaterHarvest i...@raineswaterharvest.com<mailto:i...@raineswaterharvest.com> William R. (Bill) Elliott speodes...@gmail.com<mailto:speodes...@gmail.com> 573-291-5093 cell On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 11:20 PM Don Cooper mailto:wavyca...@hotmail.com>> wrote: trai...@acms.com<mailto:trai...@acms.com> no longer works Trying to send Terry an email. Please supply me with one that does. Thanks - WaV ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Terry Raines email
(rather - trai...@acms.org does not work) From: Texascavers on behalf of Don Cooper Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:19 PM To: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Terry Raines email trai...@acms.com no longer works Trying to send Terry an email. Please supply me with one that does. Thanks - WaV ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Terry Raines email
trai...@acms.com no longer works Trying to send Terry an email. Please supply me with one that does. Thanks - WaV ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] MOPAC extension meets "karst features"
I'm surprised it took them this long to dig open a cave. I think I've seen other surface features in that area. From: Texascavers on behalf of Crash Kennedy Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 11:20 AM To: CaveTex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] MOPAC extension meets "karst features" I took the liberty of cropping out all the unrelated stuff. Enjoy! Jim ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] photo box
Please don't forget the metal bucket Locklear has mentioned a hundred times. From: Texascavers on behalf of Nancy Weaver Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 10:15 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] photo box If someone wants to step up and take the photo 'box' created by Ernie Garza please contact James Brown to unlock the gate. 321.895.4875. we are in the processing of transferring the land and all contents except box to new owner. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks
Sorry - I didn't have any intention for ANYONE but locklear to recieve that message!!! From: Texascavers on behalf of Galen Falgout Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 5:44 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks Just gonna day that it is totally in called for to use that kind of language on the list serv. I’ve said this once before and will say it again!!! IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT SOMEONE SEND IT IN A PRIVATE MESSAGE. On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 PM Don Cooper mailto:wavyca...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Did you know Bill was faculty for many years in the nuclear physics department at the University of Chicago? No? And you STILL DON'T KNOW SHIT - so just SHUT THE FUCK UP From: Texascavers mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>> on behalf of David mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 11:25 AM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks Bill was interesting fellow. Is that better ? ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks
Did you know Bill was faculty for many years in the nuclear physics department at the University of Chicago? No? And you STILL DON'T KNOW SHIT - so just SHUT THE FUCK UP From: Texascavers on behalf of David Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 11:25 AM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks Bill was interesting fellow. Is that better ? ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] A news story
Dumbass doesn't even know the difference between a Greyhound and a Saluki... From: Texascavers on behalf of Don Cooper Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:42 AM To: CaveTex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] A news story After reading your horrible review of Mr. Bill Mixon's life - I'm surprised you've not endured MORE lawsuits as a result of your narcissistic wagging tongue. From: Texascavers on behalf of David Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 6:57 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] A news story The cave rescue from Thailand is back in the news. This time Elon Musk is going to have to lawyer up. Personally, Elon Musk is one of my heroes and I would love to be on the jury. It might be interesting to somebody to hear the minute details of how it all came from moody reaction to a stupid tweet to a major embarrassment for Tesla. My recollection is that Unsworth clearly initiated the attack, and that is probably going to hurt Unsworth's case. Unsworth clearly came across as a pr*ck in the initial attack. Elon did not deserve that. The other thing that might hurt Unsworth is if Elon's P.I. had real dirt on Unsworth such as PayPal transactions to a brothel in Thailand. [ Sidenote: Surprising to me, is that I once lost a much bigger defamation lawsuit. As far as I know, I only wasted $ 1,000 on court fees.I can only hope that I never hear about it again. I was lucky it all happened before I was on social media. But unlike, Elon, I was somewhat set up and got rail-roaded and mine was not intentional - but the jury gave plaintiff a victory, and I was an hour late filing the appeal. ] I assume Unsworth is an experienced caver. Elon's speleo-capsule would have worked in a larger passage. The media is to blame for calling it a "submarine." Unsworth was risking his life to save the boys and he was ordered to stop because someone told him a "submarine" was on the way. Anybody would have been royally pissed off at Elon for that interference. The media went to town when Unsworth expressed that anger. And Elon clearly misunderstood why Unsworth was so angry. From Elon's viewpoint, he had just spent 3 days and a million dollars out of his pocket to rescue the boys - that he thought were trapped beyond a larger sump. It was all just a misunderstanding that the media blew up. Elon chose a bad tweet. Even if he has proof Unsworth enjoys the company of 14 year old Thai, that is legal over there, or at least not discouraged. Elon should have given an olive-branch to Unsworth in some form, but I guess he knew it would end up in court. I bet Elon will possibly say that he was stoned and doesn't remember the tweet. Also, Elon only sent one tweet, while Unsworth gave the same trash-talk to numerous new networks worldwide ( I wonder if they paid him ). Elon can probably counter-sue. D.L. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] My "Review" of Bill Mixon
Katie - >From our discussions about David's posts - I'm reminded that there are FANS >also, of very very poorly performed music His evaluation of Bill Mixon absolutely TEARS IT! His output is no longer welcome - in my computer's input. Happy that I didn't see him blab about William! Hope all is well. I think of you almost daily. -Don C. From: Texascavers on behalf of Katherine Arens Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 7:38 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] My "Review" of Bill Mixon Nice remembrance, — but the dogs were Salukis, not greyhounds (short-haired afghan hounds). With memorable names like Silly and Sally. Sally could open tight-shut coolers to steal cheese . . . On May 9, 2019, at 6:25 PM, David mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote: I can only give Bill Mixon an 8.1 out of 10 stars. Bill was a male, slightly bald, about 5'-9", light complected, almost skinny. Bill was somewhat of a curmudgeon - but only when he was not with his beloved greyhounds. He was especially saddened after he had to start living without his last dog. He presented himself around me, as a passive person, content to sit in one spot at camp for a good part of the weekend and talk to anyone willing to start an interesting conversation. I deducted the first star, because he did not like Rock and Roll, nor maybe not any noisy music at all. And the second deduction, goes to his frugalness or thriftyness. Did he ever upgrade from DOS to Windows ? Or get a 64-bit computer ? I would be tempted to put an AMD Threadripper in has ashes, just so he can tell Oztotl that he got one as a going away present, as a warm token of admiration. Anyways, I hope there are greyhounds and a giant dog-park in the afterlife, so that he can enjoy eternity on his terms. Below is a story that I have told many times: I first met Bill Mixon in October of 1984 while on a weekend excursion as a sophomore student at Texas A University ( College Station campus ). Bill was standing at the bottom of a large sinkhole in a remote ranch in west Texas. I had no idea why. Myself, ( an Aggie ), and another new young newbie caver from Univ. of Texas at Austin, Ed Sevcik, were staring down at him. The two of us had missed the group going into the cave, and we both were standing at the edge of the sinkhole peering down into it. ( UT cavers had hauled out tons of rusted rubble the day before or trip before, so we had a clean safe view of the sinkhole ) We both were unsure what to do. There was no ladder or rope, and a fall would be potentially bad. There was nothing to see, but Bill, and an ugly hackberry tree, which oddly, was the only tree for 50 miles. We had no idea who Bill was, or where everybody had disappeared to. Bill yelled up to us on how to use the tree limbs and tree trunk in the sinkhole to descend the sharp drop-off and climb down using the tree as a hand-hold. To our surprise, the actual cave entrance at the bottom of the sinkhole was just a tiny intimidating belly crawl. That was my introduction to a first real Texas cave. We learned the cave was known as "Big Tree Cave," but its official name was "Langtry Lead Cave." Cavers were deep inside, allegedly pushing a lead and maybe re-surveying. I chose to sit there in the sinkhole, as did my new found friend, Ed. Ed was much bigger than me, so he might have even been more intimdated by the tiny entrance. Bill was almost a generation older than us, and we assumed he was an experienced caver. My first impression of Bill was that he seemed like a pleasant spoken guy. Eventually, Bill convinced us to give the entrance a go. We three crawled into the tiny entrance, and started some very fun climbs - going downward into the belly of the cave. About the 5th climb down, we chickened-out.Ed and I could not believe there was no rope or hand-line. It looked like a bottomless pit, but was actually only 23 feet at the deepest part, which was more of an illusion, as if you fell, it would have only been 12 feet. Our cheezy headlamps were not bright enough to see that the climb was the easiest of all the climbs. [ I doubt I had anything more than a cheap flashlight. ] We three set there, in the dark and Bill talked to us about caves and caving for probably an hour. Then Bill showed us how to climb back out of the cave. That was so much fun, that we went back and forth several times. Eventually we did the 5th climb down and it was so much fun, that we also did that several times. We eventually met up with the cavers. Bill felt his job was done ( helping newbies ), so he headed back out to camp to enjoy the desert sunset. That group ( in sort of a small junction room ) which were two Aggie cavers: John Ragsdale, and Freddie Platt, and also several Austin cavers, James Reddell and maybe Bill Elliot and about 10 others. They pointed us in the
Re: [Texascavers] My "Review" of Bill Mixon
DON'T SAY A FUCKING *WORD* ABOUT ME IF I DIE BEFORE YOU DO, ASSHOLE! From: Texascavers on behalf of David Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 6:25 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] My "Review" of Bill Mixon I can only give Bill Mixon an 8.1 out of 10 stars. Bill was a male, slightly bald, about 5'-9", light complected, almost skinny. Bill was somewhat of a curmudgeon - but only when he was not with his beloved greyhounds. He was especially saddened after he had to start living without his last dog. He presented himself around me, as a passive person, content to sit in one spot at camp for a good part of the weekend and talk to anyone willing to start an interesting conversation. I deducted the first star, because he did not like Rock and Roll, nor maybe not any noisy music at all. And the second deduction, goes to his frugalness or thriftyness. Did he ever upgrade from DOS to Windows ? Or get a 64-bit computer ? I would be tempted to put an AMD Threadripper in has ashes, just so he can tell Oztotl that he got one as a going away present, as a warm token of admiration. Anyways, I hope there are greyhounds and a giant dog-park in the afterlife, so that he can enjoy eternity on his terms. Below is a story that I have told many times: I first met Bill Mixon in October of 1984 while on a weekend excursion as a sophomore student at Texas A University ( College Station campus ). Bill was standing at the bottom of a large sinkhole in a remote ranch in west Texas. I had no idea why. Myself, ( an Aggie ), and another new young newbie caver from Univ. of Texas at Austin, Ed Sevcik, were staring down at him. The two of us had missed the group going into the cave, and we both were standing at the edge of the sinkhole peering down into it. ( UT cavers had hauled out tons of rusted rubble the day before or trip before, so we had a clean safe view of the sinkhole ) We both were unsure what to do. There was no ladder or rope, and a fall would be potentially bad. There was nothing to see, but Bill, and an ugly hackberry tree, which oddly, was the only tree for 50 miles. We had no idea who Bill was, or where everybody had disappeared to. Bill yelled up to us on how to use the tree limbs and tree trunk in the sinkhole to descend the sharp drop-off and climb down using the tree as a hand-hold. To our surprise, the actual cave entrance at the bottom of the sinkhole was just a tiny intimidating belly crawl. That was my introduction to a first real Texas cave. We learned the cave was known as "Big Tree Cave," but its official name was "Langtry Lead Cave." Cavers were deep inside, allegedly pushing a lead and maybe re-surveying. I chose to sit there in the sinkhole, as did my new found friend, Ed. Ed was much bigger than me, so he might have even been more intimdated by the tiny entrance. Bill was almost a generation older than us, and we assumed he was an experienced caver. My first impression of Bill was that he seemed like a pleasant spoken guy. Eventually, Bill convinced us to give the entrance a go. We three crawled into the tiny entrance, and started some very fun climbs - going downward into the belly of the cave. About the 5th climb down, we chickened-out.Ed and I could not believe there was no rope or hand-line. It looked like a bottomless pit, but was actually only 23 feet at the deepest part, which was more of an illusion, as if you fell, it would have only been 12 feet. Our cheezy headlamps were not bright enough to see that the climb was the easiest of all the climbs. [ I doubt I had anything more than a cheap flashlight. ] We three set there, in the dark and Bill talked to us about caves and caving for probably an hour. Then Bill showed us how to climb back out of the cave. That was so much fun, that we went back and forth several times. Eventually we did the 5th climb down and it was so much fun, that we also did that several times. We eventually met up with the cavers. Bill felt his job was done ( helping newbies ), so he headed back out to camp to enjoy the desert sunset. That group ( in sort of a small junction room ) which were two Aggie cavers: John Ragsdale, and Freddie Platt, and also several Austin cavers, James Reddell and maybe Bill Elliot and about 10 others. They pointed us in the direction of a long crawl to the "Hall of Unicorns."Once reaching that point, I knew then that my secret passion that I had had since 1968 as a 4 year old - to go cave exploring - was now something etched permanently into my D.N.A.. ( from watching the tv kid's episode - "Davey and Goliath - Lost in the Cave" ) [ Sidenote: Over the years, I returned there many times and went to what may be the bottom of the cave at least twice. The rancher there was nice to us Aggies from 1985 to about 1990, but then he sold the ranch to a rancher that was more worried about liability. We returned a few
Re: [Texascavers] A news story
After reading your horrible review of Mr. Bill Mixon's life - I'm surprised you've not endured MORE lawsuits as a result of your narcissistic wagging tongue. From: Texascavers on behalf of David Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 6:57 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] A news story The cave rescue from Thailand is back in the news. This time Elon Musk is going to have to lawyer up. Personally, Elon Musk is one of my heroes and I would love to be on the jury. It might be interesting to somebody to hear the minute details of how it all came from moody reaction to a stupid tweet to a major embarrassment for Tesla. My recollection is that Unsworth clearly initiated the attack, and that is probably going to hurt Unsworth's case. Unsworth clearly came across as a pr*ck in the initial attack. Elon did not deserve that. The other thing that might hurt Unsworth is if Elon's P.I. had real dirt on Unsworth such as PayPal transactions to a brothel in Thailand. [ Sidenote: Surprising to me, is that I once lost a much bigger defamation lawsuit. As far as I know, I only wasted $ 1,000 on court fees.I can only hope that I never hear about it again. I was lucky it all happened before I was on social media. But unlike, Elon, I was somewhat set up and got rail-roaded and mine was not intentional - but the jury gave plaintiff a victory, and I was an hour late filing the appeal. ] I assume Unsworth is an experienced caver. Elon's speleo-capsule would have worked in a larger passage. The media is to blame for calling it a "submarine." Unsworth was risking his life to save the boys and he was ordered to stop because someone told him a "submarine" was on the way. Anybody would have been royally pissed off at Elon for that interference. The media went to town when Unsworth expressed that anger. And Elon clearly misunderstood why Unsworth was so angry. From Elon's viewpoint, he had just spent 3 days and a million dollars out of his pocket to rescue the boys - that he thought were trapped beyond a larger sump. It was all just a misunderstanding that the media blew up. Elon chose a bad tweet. Even if he has proof Unsworth enjoys the company of 14 year old Thai, that is legal over there, or at least not discouraged. Elon should have given an olive-branch to Unsworth in some form, but I guess he knew it would end up in court. I bet Elon will possibly say that he was stoned and doesn't remember the tweet. Also, Elon only sent one tweet, while Unsworth gave the same trash-talk to numerous new networks worldwide ( I wonder if they paid him ). Elon can probably counter-sue. D.L. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] SUCH A LONG TIME NOT TO BE THERE - SUCH A SHORT TIME TO BE THERE
GREAT TCR! Thank you to everyone who contributed in any way! Something I want any potential emergency respondents to have at hand for next year: N 29.50898 and: W 098.90125 That's GPS coordinates for a good potential LZ in case anything happens to one of us which may require rapid response. Just about all of you know that 6 months ago, I in a very bad position to have to wait an hour for EMS to show up. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't even be here to type this if I had. Luckily, it was only 10 minutes from the time I dialed 911 until they found me at straightened me out! Before I left Sunday, I stopped on the middle of the upper campground turnaround - close to where the sauna and hottub were, and took a reading from my GPS. This morning I plugged those numbers into google - and zang! right there! https://goo.gl/maps/uh2YzuXiDNz Thank you for your time! -WaV https://goo.gl/maps/uh2YzuXiDNz ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] OFF TOPIC- Terlingua Interest
Well the content would be interesting but I'm not interested in signing up! could you just take the text from the article and post it repost it - thanks? Whoever you are?? On Apr 25, 2015 2:56 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ah, Terlingua You might find of interest an upcoming new TV Reality show that has been filming here this summer. And stirring up more than just a bit of controversy. http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Reality-show-to-paint-Terlingua-as-outpost-of-6222531.php This is the same production company who has brought you “Appalachian Outlaws,” “Storage Wars,” and “The Deadliest Catch”. You get the flavor. Needless to say, some us can hardly wait. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] doing sinful things in caves
Worse than passing gas... Many moons ago when the earth was still cooling and access to caves like Whirlpool was had for nothing more than a secret handshake, (and I had bad, bad habits which I would never repeat these days) - Myself and a companion went as far up the extent of that cave we knew of to a 'dig' area with mounds of soft calcite sand where we took a break, drank a couple of celebratory beers and partied for a while in deep dark - wow, man - of the cave. As we exited, we noticed that we had proceeded beyond the large amount of smoke we had created back there - but if we stopped, it'd catch up with us again. Interesting phenomena. The cave was breathing outward and we had a marker in the air. As we got into the Travis County room - we encountered a group of FIRE DEPT and LAW DEPT officials on a rescue training mission! Not tarrying - we quickly exchanged small talk and fake names as we exited the cave in anticipation of the deadly smoke that was coming from behind us! ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Mailing List update and bounce information
Thanks again for your help with the texas cavers remailer. In the past, I put a filter into my gmail profile to automatically dump all messages originated by David Locklear, However - with recent changes to the system - he seems to have gotten around it and - yeah, it's annoying to me that now I get these messages as 'David through Texascavers'... Tips? -Don C On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:53 PM, caverarch via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I'm all with Jon in thanking you for your efforts, Charles! Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Jon Cradit via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 31, 2014 11:10 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mailing List update and bounce information Charles, I think the work you do and amount of volunteer time you donate is great. I have no issue with these technical glitches that the computers feel they need to throw out at us humans from time to time. Many thanks for fighting them off, JC ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cavetex http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Replies to various post
It's not that I don't care for you. I just don't care for all the additional emails.; On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:31 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: from David Locklear, so hit Delete Button now. The funny thing about Don's post, is I consider him one of my best friends, which gives you an idea how many friends I have. The solution to Don's predicament is for me to simply change my email name. Surely you can see I have drastically cut back on the use of CaveTex, but that is mostly because I have been swamped doing things indirectly related to caving. Today, I found an awesome water-color painting of Luray Caverns in an antique store near Houston. https://www.dropbox.com/s/pedrm248j11sqg4/Luray-Caverns.jpg?dl=0 Anybody know the history of this? I have not found out if it is just a print, or an original water-color, but assuming just one of a print of thousands. I think most of the cavers who were dissing me last year, are now over it, and we are still friends. To the best of my knowledge only one caver is on my sh*t-list, and nobody I know has heard from him in years. I would still go in a non-vertical cave with him though. I am pretty sure everybody else accepted my olive-branch, and all the bad vibes are fuzzy memories from the past. I am still digging thru booty, a retired caver gave me, and found a pair of grey Jumars. These will hopefully end up as a door-prize at a caving event, in the near future. Respectfully, David Locklear Semi-retired from arm-chair caving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Kevlar related
When commercially available kevlar first appeared on the scene, small kevlar cords were put into use on sport parachutes. Before even 100 uses, some jumpers experienced line-breaks. It was a surprise, as the very thin kevlar lines were supposed to be over twice the strength of the polyester lines they replaced. In the end, I believe the failure was attributed to dirt getting into the uncoated kevlar cord and setting up deterioration due to abrasion process at a scale too small to visually observe. On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com wrote: I use Kevlar for the foot loop on my frog system for years. I worked great. KM Sent from mobile device Kevin McGowan Photography 5250 Gulfton, Suite 2F Houston TX 77081 Studio: (713) 665-3818 Cell: (281) 433-2474 On Jun 21, 2014, at 12:42 AM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: In the news today, it was announced that the chemist credited with the discovery of Kevlar, has passed away. Stephanie Kwolek was her name. Sometime around 1986 or 87, I was taking a materials science course at AM and had access to a tensile-test machine.I asked the professor if I could test a piece of 5mm Kevlar cord. I put a figure 8 knot in each end. and tied each end to the steel bar connectors. I think I had about 15 inches between the knots. It broke in the middle of the upper knot at around 10,000 pounds. The professor was quite surprised. I used the cord in my Mitchell System, from my foot to an upper Jumar, several times over a 2 year period, on some pits that were under 200 feet. At the foot attachment, I tied the Kevlar cord into a chicken-loop rig, described by James Jasek ( I think ) in a Texas Caver in the late 70's or early 80's. So that the Kevlar cord was the only thing holding my foot to the Jumar. I did not tie the cord to the Jumar eye-hole, but wrapped it around the handle and tied it off. While I would not recommend doing that now, I would say the cord is light enough to throw in the cave-pack for an emergency or as a back-up. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Bob Cowell
Cannot say more emphatically - Bob was a good man. What our tentative hold on life does to us - is truly unjust. -DC On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Espeleo Coahuila espeleocoahu...@gmail.com wrote: My condolences for the family of my friend Bod Cowell, he was a sweet person with me all the time, and the last time I went in SA, he talk with me for a few minutes. I'm feel sad, I will remember you. thank you for your friendship. Monica Ponce Mexico 2013/10/5 Mike Burrell mbc...@oztotl.com I heard that Bob died this morning. We should all celebrate his life by going caving, cooking something delicious, drinking a tasty irish beverage and telling tales of adventure into the night. Bob was one of the most truly ethical people I have ever met! Always there when people (or animals) needed help. We should all strive to be more like Bob Cowell. Mike Burrell --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- LCC. Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C. (fundadora) Associazione Geografica La Venta- Italia (socia) Centro de Estudios Karsticos La Venta (socia) Grupo Espeleologico Vaxakmen, A.C. (socia) Association for Mexican Cave Studies (colaboradora) Texas Speleological Association (Socia) Union Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleologicas (Socia) 045-844-1478311 cel. monicaponce1 by skype.
Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
Watch that movie where the solo climber dude had to cut his arm off to save himself. ALL OF IT. That'll make you think.. On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Julia Germany germa...@aol.com wrote: Breadcrumb trail. - from julia's cell On Sep 12, 2013, at 23:40, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Tie a long elastic band to yourself and a tree near the entrance. From: James Jasek [caver...@hot.rr.com] Sent: 12 September 2013 23:20 To: TexasCavers Tex Subject: [Texascavers] Solo Caving What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about solo climbing for exiting deep vertical cave. This is abut going in 500 to 1000 feet crawling walking with some short down/ up climbs. James Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
I just want to go on record (yours) as to say the literal stance of bully-pulpit of B. Steele pretty much exposes his mean and negative spirit. (A few months after a serious heart attack and triple bypass - he was taunting me for not 'being a more serious caver' - wow - what an A-HOLE!) I don't care so much about Locklear - but I care a lot less for his haters! -Don C On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgwrote: aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.comwrote: I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
I just want to go on record (yours) as to say the literal stance of bully-pulpit of B. Steele pretty much exposes his mean and negative spirit. (A few months after a serious heart attack and triple bypass - he was taunting me for not 'being a more serious caver' - wow - what an A-HOLE!) I don't care so much about Locklear - but I care a lot less for his haters! -Don C On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgwrote: aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.comwrote: I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows)
I second that motion!!! I've never seen an event draw such predictable precipitation!! -WaV On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Can we have the NSS convention in Austin for the next 5 years? From: Mark Minton [mmin...@caver.net] Sent: 11 August 2013 20:26 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows) While it wasn't exactly devastating, there was a pretty severe thunderstorm on Wednesday night during the Campground Party/Terminal Syphons performance. It rained several inches and one edge of the campground flooded. A few tents were partially submerged and some people had wet sleeping bags. The creek running along one edge of the campground came within 6 inches of overtopping its banks, but didn't quite go over. If it had, many more people would have gotten wet. Mark At 12:18 PM 8/11/2013, Julia Germany wrote: WTF? No devastating storms this year at the NSS convention And I missed it. Maybe I've been bringing them with me.. Anyway, glad it went off without a hitch or hiccup. Sounds like a missed a good one! julia -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Stephens stephen...@yahoo.com; Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:51 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: New NSS Fellows FYI, the awards ceremony went off without a hitch, the roof stayed on the hall and there was no severe weather like last year. The banquet room was almost full, the food was good, and the entire banquet was very well organized, from food service and seating to award presentations. There were nice pictures projected of all the award winners. Geary From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39 AM To: Texas Cavers Cc: Bill Stephens; Marvin Miller Subject: [Texascavers] New NSS Fellows Congratulations to Bill Stephens and Marvin Miller, new Fellows of the National Speleological Society. My apologies if I've missed any other Texans. Geary Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows)
I second that motion!!! I've never seen an event draw such predictable precipitation!! -WaV On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Can we have the NSS convention in Austin for the next 5 years? From: Mark Minton [mmin...@caver.net] Sent: 11 August 2013 20:26 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows) While it wasn't exactly devastating, there was a pretty severe thunderstorm on Wednesday night during the Campground Party/Terminal Syphons performance. It rained several inches and one edge of the campground flooded. A few tents were partially submerged and some people had wet sleeping bags. The creek running along one edge of the campground came within 6 inches of overtopping its banks, but didn't quite go over. If it had, many more people would have gotten wet. Mark At 12:18 PM 8/11/2013, Julia Germany wrote: WTF? No devastating storms this year at the NSS convention And I missed it. Maybe I've been bringing them with me.. Anyway, glad it went off without a hitch or hiccup. Sounds like a missed a good one! julia -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Stephens stephen...@yahoo.com; Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:51 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: New NSS Fellows FYI, the awards ceremony went off without a hitch, the roof stayed on the hall and there was no severe weather like last year. The banquet room was almost full, the food was good, and the entire banquet was very well organized, from food service and seating to award presentations. There were nice pictures projected of all the award winners. Geary From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39 AM To: Texas Cavers Cc: Bill Stephens; Marvin Miller Subject: [Texascavers] New NSS Fellows Congratulations to Bill Stephens and Marvin Miller, new Fellows of the National Speleological Society. My apologies if I've missed any other Texans. Geary Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar
Yeah - I guess they decided to do the concision just to be safe On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:16 PM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.comwrote: I didn't realize he got hurt THERE. I didn't even know he was Jewish. -- *From:* Galen Falgout galenfalg...@yahoo.com *To:* James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com *Cc:* Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:10 PM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar Gill is alright they are keeping him over night to watch his concision. He should be home tomorrow Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:18 PM, James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com wrote: Galen, How about some details on the fall and an update on how he is doing right now? Jim On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Galen Falgout wrote: He got 19 stitches in us head and had 10 fractured ribs. He may be in pain but he is his usual self! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you! I'm glad he is aright. Sheryl On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.netwrote: Gill says he is OK. He was helping with a dig project in southwest Austin when he fell down a 10ft pit. He self rescued from a depth of about 40ft. Cooperative and professional Austin Fire Department first responders took good care of him from there. Justin
Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar
I hear it's really tough to have a concision after the age of puberty... (But you certainly don't have to be jewish to have a jewish obstetrician.) On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Phil Winkler pw...@dca.net wrote: When I had my concision I couldn't walk for a year. At 8/1/2013 11:27 AM -0500, you wrote: Yeah - I guess they decided to do the concision just to be safe On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:16 PM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't realize he got hurt THERE. I didn't even know he was Jewish. From: Galen Falgout galenfalg...@yahoo.com To: James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com Cc: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com ; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar Gill is alright they are keeping him over night to watch his concision. He should be home tomorrow Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:18 PM, James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com wrote: Galen, How about some details on the fall and an update on how he is doing right now? Jim On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Galen Falgout wrote: He got 19 stitches in us head and had 10 fractured ribs. He may be in pain but he is his usual self! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you! I'm glad he is aright. Sheryl On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.net wrote: Gill says he is OK. He was helping with a dig project in southwest Austin when he fell down a 10ft pit. He self rescued from a depth of about 40ft. Cooperative and professional Austin Fire Department first responders took good care of him from there. Justin No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3209/6042 - Release Date: 08/01/13
Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar
Yeah - I guess they decided to do the concision just to be safe On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:16 PM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.comwrote: I didn't realize he got hurt THERE. I didn't even know he was Jewish. -- *From:* Galen Falgout galenfalg...@yahoo.com *To:* James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com *Cc:* Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:10 PM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar Gill is alright they are keeping him over night to watch his concision. He should be home tomorrow Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:18 PM, James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com wrote: Galen, How about some details on the fall and an update on how he is doing right now? Jim On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Galen Falgout wrote: He got 19 stitches in us head and had 10 fractured ribs. He may be in pain but he is his usual self! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you! I'm glad he is aright. Sheryl On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.netwrote: Gill says he is OK. He was helping with a dig project in southwest Austin when he fell down a 10ft pit. He self rescued from a depth of about 40ft. Cooperative and professional Austin Fire Department first responders took good care of him from there. Justin
Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar
I hear it's really tough to have a concision after the age of puberty... (But you certainly don't have to be jewish to have a jewish obstetrician.) On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Phil Winkler pw...@dca.net wrote: When I had my concision I couldn't walk for a year. At 8/1/2013 11:27 AM -0500, you wrote: Yeah - I guess they decided to do the concision just to be safe On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:16 PM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com wrote: I didn't realize he got hurt THERE. I didn't even know he was Jewish. From: Galen Falgout galenfalg...@yahoo.com To: James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com Cc: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com ; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar Gill is alright they are keeping him over night to watch his concision. He should be home tomorrow Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:18 PM, James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com wrote: Galen, How about some details on the fall and an update on how he is doing right now? Jim On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Galen Falgout wrote: He got 19 stitches in us head and had 10 fractured ribs. He may be in pain but he is his usual self! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you! I'm glad he is aright. Sheryl On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.net wrote: Gill says he is OK. He was helping with a dig project in southwest Austin when he fell down a 10ft pit. He self rescued from a depth of about 40ft. Cooperative and professional Austin Fire Department first responders took good care of him from there. Justin No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3209/6042 - Release Date: 08/01/13
Re: [Texascavers] Big cave discovered under 620 in Wilco
You ought to walk over there and check it out before they fill it in! On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 10:14 PM, George D. Nincehelser george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote: That's about 3/4 miles from my place. Also close to Beck Ranch Cave. On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.netwrote: A construction crew working on 620 has discovered what sounds like a fairly nice cave. http://impactnews.com/austin-metro/round-rock-pflugerville-hutto/cave-system-discovered-underneath-rm-620-construction-projec/ It's disappointing, but not at all surprising, that I first learned of this from Google.
Re: [Texascavers] Big cave discovered under 620 in Wilco
You ought to walk over there and check it out before they fill it in! On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 10:14 PM, George D. Nincehelser george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote: That's about 3/4 miles from my place. Also close to Beck Ranch Cave. On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.netwrote: A construction crew working on 620 has discovered what sounds like a fairly nice cave. http://impactnews.com/austin-metro/round-rock-pflugerville-hutto/cave-system-discovered-underneath-rm-620-construction-projec/ It's disappointing, but not at all surprising, that I first learned of this from Google.
Re: [Texascavers] Big cave discovered under 620 in Wilco
You ought to walk over there and check it out before they fill it in! On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 10:14 PM, George D. Nincehelser george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote: That's about 3/4 miles from my place. Also close to Beck Ranch Cave. On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.netwrote: A construction crew working on 620 has discovered what sounds like a fairly nice cave. http://impactnews.com/austin-metro/round-rock-pflugerville-hutto/cave-system-discovered-underneath-rm-620-construction-projec/ It's disappointing, but not at all surprising, that I first learned of this from Google.
Fwd: [Texascavers] Re: [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers
-- Forwarded message -- From: Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers To: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com I have one of his old sleeping bags stapled against my bedroom wall as sound-absorption batting. I ended up with it when Ann Murphree gave it to me to give back to him - but I think he said he didn't need it. I'm not quite sure - exactly. That was over a decade ago and for whatever reason I never got rid of it. It's fitting that it's striped. It matches the keyboard which it hangs over. This is the second residence where I've used it in the same fashion. I've wondered for some time what became of Dave. Very sad to hear he's gone - without an answer. -Don C On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:38 PM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.comwrote: I am saddened to hear about the passing of Dave Gers. He was without a doubt one of the most interesting people, caver or non, whom I have ever had the please of meeting and hanging around with. Memories of homemade beer, engaging philosophical conversations, raging campfires, singing in resonant cave chambers, and eternal optimism spring up when I remember back to the times we would be out in New Mexico up on the hill or down in the park. No sadness, no regrets, no fears. Cave on Dave. -- *From:* Karen Perry txcavem...@yahoo.com *To:* H. Sapiens ut_h.sapi...@yahoo.com; utcac...@yahoo.com utcac...@yahoo.com; utca...@yahoo.com utca...@yahoo.com; Mark Alman texascav...@att.net; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org memb...@cowtowngrotto.org; RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com; texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com; texascav...@yahoo.com texascav...@yahoo.com; webmas...@metroplexcavers.org webmas...@metroplexcavers.org *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2013 2:26 PM *Subject:* [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers Please pass this on to DFW Grotto. Lots of us knew Dave. While he had not caved in almost a decade due to his poor eyesight, many of us still thought of him as a friend. He will be missed. Now he is in the Great Geocache rally in the sky! Karen Perry - Forwarded Message - *From:* a72sting...@bluefrog.com a72sting...@bluefrog.com *To:* txcavem...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:24 AM *Subject:* Dave gers Karen, I am emailing you to let you know that my father, Dave, passed away on June 1. We, my brother Rob, and I found a Xmas card from you on his nightstand. Your more than welcome to contact me. Dave's daughter, Lia Dellario This message was delivered by BlueFrog.com. For the best email, please visit http://www.bluefrog.com If you believe this message is spam, please report to ab...@bluefrog.com.
Fwd: [Texascavers] Re: [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers
-- Forwarded message -- From: Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers To: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com I have one of his old sleeping bags stapled against my bedroom wall as sound-absorption batting. I ended up with it when Ann Murphree gave it to me to give back to him - but I think he said he didn't need it. I'm not quite sure - exactly. That was over a decade ago and for whatever reason I never got rid of it. It's fitting that it's striped. It matches the keyboard which it hangs over. This is the second residence where I've used it in the same fashion. I've wondered for some time what became of Dave. Very sad to hear he's gone - without an answer. -Don C On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:38 PM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.comwrote: I am saddened to hear about the passing of Dave Gers. He was without a doubt one of the most interesting people, caver or non, whom I have ever had the please of meeting and hanging around with. Memories of homemade beer, engaging philosophical conversations, raging campfires, singing in resonant cave chambers, and eternal optimism spring up when I remember back to the times we would be out in New Mexico up on the hill or down in the park. No sadness, no regrets, no fears. Cave on Dave. -- *From:* Karen Perry txcavem...@yahoo.com *To:* H. Sapiens ut_h.sapi...@yahoo.com; utcac...@yahoo.com utcac...@yahoo.com; utca...@yahoo.com utca...@yahoo.com; Mark Alman texascav...@att.net; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org memb...@cowtowngrotto.org; RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com; texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com; texascav...@yahoo.com texascav...@yahoo.com; webmas...@metroplexcavers.org webmas...@metroplexcavers.org *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2013 2:26 PM *Subject:* [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers Please pass this on to DFW Grotto. Lots of us knew Dave. While he had not caved in almost a decade due to his poor eyesight, many of us still thought of him as a friend. He will be missed. Now he is in the Great Geocache rally in the sky! Karen Perry - Forwarded Message - *From:* a72sting...@bluefrog.com a72sting...@bluefrog.com *To:* txcavem...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:24 AM *Subject:* Dave gers Karen, I am emailing you to let you know that my father, Dave, passed away on June 1. We, my brother Rob, and I found a Xmas card from you on his nightstand. Your more than welcome to contact me. Dave's daughter, Lia Dellario This message was delivered by BlueFrog.com. For the best email, please visit http://www.bluefrog.com If you believe this message is spam, please report to ab...@bluefrog.com.
[Texascavers] Does anyone know much about Curiosity Cave in Spicewood, Tx.?
[Texascavers] Does anyone know much about Curiosity Cave in Spicewood, Tx.?
[Texascavers] Does anyone know much about Curiosity Cave in Spicewood, Tx.?
[Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving
Cool, huh?
Re: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving
I don't know what the date is - the trailer was shown at the end of Nova's 'Oklahoma Tornado Massacre'. I'm guessing it will be on next Wednesday night. (When PBS shows the newest NOVA specials here in Austin). -WaV On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Extreme cave diving? Is that like cave diving but without an air supply? S. From: Don Cooper [wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 May 2013 02:54 To: Cavers, Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving Cool, huh? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
[Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving
Cool, huh?
Re: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving
I don't know what the date is - the trailer was shown at the end of Nova's 'Oklahoma Tornado Massacre'. I'm guessing it will be on next Wednesday night. (When PBS shows the newest NOVA specials here in Austin). -WaV On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Extreme cave diving? Is that like cave diving but without an air supply? S. From: Don Cooper [wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 May 2013 02:54 To: Cavers, Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving Cool, huh? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
[Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving
Cool, huh?
Re: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving
I don't know what the date is - the trailer was shown at the end of Nova's 'Oklahoma Tornado Massacre'. I'm guessing it will be on next Wednesday night. (When PBS shows the newest NOVA specials here in Austin). -WaV On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Extreme cave diving? Is that like cave diving but without an air supply? S. From: Don Cooper [wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 May 2013 02:54 To: Cavers, Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving Cool, huh? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Lounge Lizards
While we're at it - there's another particularly satisfying song on that same album - not specifically about a cave or cave region - but it does relate to some caver's who might think the moon landings were faked - called Black Helicopters... _DC On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote: I heard the Lounge Lizards discussing the song on NPR today. They toured Gruta del Palmito 30 years ago while visiting the town of Bustamante with a noted Mexican muscian. Apparently they used the memory of that adventure to write a song about all the non-Mexicans in history (Trotsky, et. Al.) who had memorable experiences in Mexico. -Frank On 5/5/13 6:06 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: Does anybody know anything about this song, supposed to be released on 7 May 2013 by the Austin Lounge Lizards? “Spelunking with Joe King Carrasco” (a brilliantly layered, corrido-inflected ballad about, well, you get the idea). A friend of mine from Maryland said he heard it on the radio today. Some of yall will remember when the Austin Lounge Lizards used to play at TCR back when they were affordable and we had some insiders working magic.Others of you won't. --Ediger
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Lounge Lizards
While we're at it - there's another particularly satisfying song on that same album - not specifically about a cave or cave region - but it does relate to some caver's who might think the moon landings were faked - called Black Helicopters... _DC On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote: I heard the Lounge Lizards discussing the song on NPR today. They toured Gruta del Palmito 30 years ago while visiting the town of Bustamante with a noted Mexican muscian. Apparently they used the memory of that adventure to write a song about all the non-Mexicans in history (Trotsky, et. Al.) who had memorable experiences in Mexico. -Frank On 5/5/13 6:06 PM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: Does anybody know anything about this song, supposed to be released on 7 May 2013 by the Austin Lounge Lizards? “Spelunking with Joe King Carrasco” (a brilliantly layered, corrido-inflected ballad about, well, you get the idea). A friend of mine from Maryland said he heard it on the radio today. Some of yall will remember when the Austin Lounge Lizards used to play at TCR back when they were affordable and we had some insiders working magic.Others of you won't. --Ediger
Re: [Texascavers] Re: [SWR] RFID Credit Cards
The basic RFID system is a simple transponder. All it does is enables the chip to transmit a number when scanned. That number is essentially an indexing string of data which contains no personal information. Out of the context of the process of the read - the number has no significance. Plus - that context has deeply embedded encryption algorithms based on time, location and date - which are called one way ciphers. Credit cards can store other information on the magnetic strip - including your name but never a PIN - some contain only a number. Don't Panic. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Justin Haynes jus...@justinhaynes.com wrote: If you are concerned about malicious attackers harvesting personal information from your rfid enabled cards, these stainless steel wallets help. I have one and i like it. It is made out of a stainless steel mesh is flexibke and feels sort of silky because it is a very fine weave: http://www.stewartstand.com/ On Feb 10, 2013 4:28 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote: Ted, you are referring to the Chip and Pin cards aka EMV smart card, chip card, or integrated circuit card (ICC). The chip is best thought of as a small USB drive and the visible surface of the chip on the card is how the card reader physically accesses the data (you account number and the valid PIN) stored there to verify as valid use of the card IN PERSON. Been in use since the late 80's. FYI here in the USA in 2005, American Express introduced ExpressPay, similar to MasterCard PayPass and Visa payWave. All are contactless payment system based on wireless RFID. So your CC might have a RFID in them already since your last card renewal. Terry H. On 2/10/2013 5:59 AM, Ted Samsel wrote: Don't most credit cards used in the EU have them? My colleagues who pursue academic careers over there say their cards have a special chip in them. On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Gill Edigergi...@att.net wrote: My passport does. Who knows what kind of information is on that? --Ediger -- *From:* John Lylesj...@losalamos.com *To:* s...@caver.net *Sent:* Sat, February 9, 2013 3:52:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [SWR] RFID Credit Cards There has been some local chatter about someone in Albuqueque who has a briefcase who can walk among (close) to people with cards having that RF chip, and download their information. I know some people who have bought foil sleeves that cover the card and block RF access to the chip. My cards don't have the RFID in them, thank goodness, as I would zap them to smithereens at work anyhow.(!) jtml On 2/8/13 10:39 AM, Mark Minton wrote: Not caving related, but could affect everyone. Scary. http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: [SWR] RFID Credit Cards
The basic RFID system is a simple transponder. All it does is enables the chip to transmit a number when scanned. That number is essentially an indexing string of data which contains no personal information. Out of the context of the process of the read - the number has no significance. Plus - that context has deeply embedded encryption algorithms based on time, location and date - which are called one way ciphers. Credit cards can store other information on the magnetic strip - including your name but never a PIN - some contain only a number. Don't Panic. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Justin Haynes jus...@justinhaynes.com wrote: If you are concerned about malicious attackers harvesting personal information from your rfid enabled cards, these stainless steel wallets help. I have one and i like it. It is made out of a stainless steel mesh is flexibke and feels sort of silky because it is a very fine weave: http://www.stewartstand.com/ On Feb 10, 2013 4:28 PM, Terry Holsinger tr...@sprynet.com wrote: Ted, you are referring to the Chip and Pin cards aka EMV smart card, chip card, or integrated circuit card (ICC). The chip is best thought of as a small USB drive and the visible surface of the chip on the card is how the card reader physically accesses the data (you account number and the valid PIN) stored there to verify as valid use of the card IN PERSON. Been in use since the late 80's. FYI here in the USA in 2005, American Express introduced ExpressPay, similar to MasterCard PayPass and Visa payWave. All are contactless payment system based on wireless RFID. So your CC might have a RFID in them already since your last card renewal. Terry H. On 2/10/2013 5:59 AM, Ted Samsel wrote: Don't most credit cards used in the EU have them? My colleagues who pursue academic careers over there say their cards have a special chip in them. On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Gill Edigergi...@att.net wrote: My passport does. Who knows what kind of information is on that? --Ediger -- *From:* John Lylesj...@losalamos.com *To:* s...@caver.net *Sent:* Sat, February 9, 2013 3:52:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [SWR] RFID Credit Cards There has been some local chatter about someone in Albuqueque who has a briefcase who can walk among (close) to people with cards having that RF chip, and download their information. I know some people who have bought foil sleeves that cover the card and block RF access to the chip. My cards don't have the RFID in them, thank goodness, as I would zap them to smithereens at work anyhow.(!) jtml On 2/8/13 10:39 AM, Mark Minton wrote: Not caving related, but could affect everyone. Scary. http://youtube.googleapis.com/v/lLAFhTjsQHw ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] FW: 2013 Maya Meetings, University of Texas at Austin register now
It WILL END for about 61,460,000 people... (but approximately 8.78 deaths per 1,000 people a year is normal) -WaV On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: So they're pretty sure the world isn't going to end this year... -Stefan -Original Message- From: Ron Ralph [mailto:ronra...@austin.rr.com] The 2013 Maya Meetings are 3 months away! If you have not registered yet, spaces are going fast [...] January 15-19, 2013 The University of Texas at Austin [...] -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] FW: 2013 Maya Meetings, University of Texas at Austin register now
It WILL END for about 61,460,000 people... (but approximately 8.78 deaths per 1,000 people a year is normal) -WaV On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: So they're pretty sure the world isn't going to end this year... -Stefan -Original Message- From: Ron Ralph [mailto:ronra...@austin.rr.com] The 2013 Maya Meetings are 3 months away! If you have not registered yet, spaces are going fast [...] January 15-19, 2013 The University of Texas at Austin [...] -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] FW: 2013 Maya Meetings, University of Texas at Austin register now
It WILL END for about 61,460,000 people... (but approximately 8.78 deaths per 1,000 people a year is normal) -WaV On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: So they're pretty sure the world isn't going to end this year... -Stefan -Original Message- From: Ron Ralph [mailto:ronra...@austin.rr.com] The 2013 Maya Meetings are 3 months away! If you have not registered yet, spaces are going fast [...] January 15-19, 2013 The University of Texas at Austin [...] -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Needs Packing Material, Please!
I could use styrofoam - big boxes - peanuts - bubble wrap - whatever you might have handy. Anyone got overstocked on filler stuff? I've got some stuff I need to ship out and don't have enough filler! Thanks! Don C - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Needs Packing Material, Please!
I could use styrofoam - big boxes - peanuts - bubble wrap - whatever you might have handy. Anyone got overstocked on filler stuff? I've got some stuff I need to ship out and don't have enough filler! Thanks! Don C - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Needs Packing Material, Please!
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[ot_caving] Anyone have an obsolete laptop they might consider tossing or selling cheap?
I've lost my internet and don't know when I'll be able to catch up with Time Warner to get it back. As free internet wi-fi hotspots seem to be just about everywhere - I figure that might get me through until I get back on top. Right now I'm visiting the library, and see that as a stop gap for a while. Please just drop me a line off-list and let me know. Thanks - Don C - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Anyone have an obsolete laptop they might consider tossing or selling cheap?
I've lost my internet and don't know when I'll be able to catch up with Time Warner to get it back. As free internet wi-fi hotspots seem to be just about everywhere - I figure that might get me through until I get back on top. Right now I'm visiting the library, and see that as a stop gap for a while. Please just drop me a line off-list and let me know. Thanks - Don C - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] More about carbide caving
I tried using 3% H2O2 in my carbide generator for a while, thinking a
little oxygen might make the light a little brighter.
-WaV
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Amy Jasek amylouis...@gmail.com wrote:
I love the smell of carbide because it reminds me of my dad my awesome
caving childhood : )
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I recall the distinctive odor emitted by one caver buddy who used a CB and
peed in his generator, solving two problems at once. It creating another for
those on his survey team. Carbide stinks but burning urine+carbide will
etch the inside of your skull. I even carried spare water for him at one
point but matter of pride/convenience kept him from accepting it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote:
Ahh, I loved the smell of carbide in the morning! Smelled likevictory.
Another fond memory of carbide caving was the need to constantly clean the
tip with a tip reamer. Some cavers kept a tip reamer on a lanyard around
their necks. Others were always asking to borrow yours.
When I started caving with the British I learned they call a tip reamer a
“pricker” and I was somewhat startled the first time a British caver turned
to me in a tight crawlway with his lamp held out in his hand and asked, “Can
you give me a prick?”
~Frank Binney
On 8/24/12 9:37 AM, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net wrote:
The care, feeding, and management of carbide lamps is a micro-culture in
itself. We're now a couple of generations beyond that (except for those who
cling to things like the so-called ceiling burners, a photo of which
started this whole thread).
Carbide lamps were cheap at the time ('50s -'70s) and carbide was also cheap
and plentiful. Individual users bought 2-pound cans for $2 while groups
often invested in 100-pound drums available from welding supply stores for
about 50¢ a pound in the large drums. Carbide was often made available free
to grotto members as benefit of membership.
Disposal of spent carbide slowly evolved from dump it wherever, to dump it
in a crevice, to bury it in the dirt, to pack it out in a bottle or bag.
Smart cavers soon realized that the better solution was to carry spare
pre-charged lamp bottoms. With a total of four bottoms, it was rare to need
more on a typical caving trip.
For most beginning cavers, the management of a carbide lamp was a mystery
and a bit of a challenge. Nearly everyone carried small repair kits that
usually included a tip, felt, gasket, flint, and tip reamer. Neophytes
were tutored and it became a matter of pride and prestige to troubleshoot,
recharge, or repair your lamp in the dark. In the early days of the Texas
Old Timers Reunion, there were carbide lamp contests with blindfolded
competitors.
With experience, cavers became expert in firing a lamp by beginning a flow
of water, sniffing the tip for the tell-tale odor of acetylene, trapping
just the right mixture of air and acetylene within the reflector and
igniting the lamp with a satisfyingly loud pop when the proportions were
correct. Often the built-in sparking device was not working properly, lamps
were ignited flame-to-tip, and the phrase give me a kiss had a whole
different meaning.
Carbide lamps were (and are) multi-purpose devices. Besides providing
illumination, they acted as stoves to heat your lunch, a little spot of soot
made a nice survey marker, and when hunkered over, they provided a
surprising amount of heat. If you cut a hole in the top of a garbage bag
and used it like a poncho, things could get quite toasty. They also work
wonderfully for melting nylon ropes, especially when the ropes are
tensioned. 8-(
The appearance of a cave lit by carbide flame is wonderful. The warmer
color temperature and diffuse pattern of light cannot be duplicated by any
electric lamp I have seen. If you have never been carbide caving try it
sometime just for fun to see what I mean.
Carbide caving didn't end instantly. For several years, I was using an
incandescent head lamp with a shirt pocket battery pack. When we stopped
for any reason, I would turn off my light to conserve battery power and
instantly draw mooch and letch comments from my carbide companions who
then spitefully refused to allow me to heat my boned chicken with their
carbide lamps.
Electric lights have come a long way. We are far beyond the days when a
Wheat Lamp was considered a state of the art caving light. Carbide is gone
and incandescent is all but gone. LED enhancements, micro circuitry, and
advancing battery technology provide us with powerful, lightweight devices
we never dreamed of in the past. I certainly don’t miss all that weight on
the front of my helmet, but I do miss some of the other things about carbide
caving.
===Carl Kunath
Re: [Texascavers] More about carbide caving
I tried using 3% H2O2 in my carbide generator for a while, thinking a
little oxygen might make the light a little brighter.
-WaV
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Amy Jasek amylouis...@gmail.com wrote:
I love the smell of carbide because it reminds me of my dad my awesome
caving childhood : )
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I recall the distinctive odor emitted by one caver buddy who used a CB and
peed in his generator, solving two problems at once. It creating another for
those on his survey team. Carbide stinks but burning urine+carbide will
etch the inside of your skull. I even carried spare water for him at one
point but matter of pride/convenience kept him from accepting it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote:
Ahh, I loved the smell of carbide in the morning! Smelled likevictory.
Another fond memory of carbide caving was the need to constantly clean the
tip with a tip reamer. Some cavers kept a tip reamer on a lanyard around
their necks. Others were always asking to borrow yours.
When I started caving with the British I learned they call a tip reamer a
“pricker” and I was somewhat startled the first time a British caver turned
to me in a tight crawlway with his lamp held out in his hand and asked, “Can
you give me a prick?”
~Frank Binney
On 8/24/12 9:37 AM, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net wrote:
The care, feeding, and management of carbide lamps is a micro-culture in
itself. We're now a couple of generations beyond that (except for those who
cling to things like the so-called ceiling burners, a photo of which
started this whole thread).
Carbide lamps were cheap at the time ('50s -'70s) and carbide was also cheap
and plentiful. Individual users bought 2-pound cans for $2 while groups
often invested in 100-pound drums available from welding supply stores for
about 50¢ a pound in the large drums. Carbide was often made available free
to grotto members as benefit of membership.
Disposal of spent carbide slowly evolved from dump it wherever, to dump it
in a crevice, to bury it in the dirt, to pack it out in a bottle or bag.
Smart cavers soon realized that the better solution was to carry spare
pre-charged lamp bottoms. With a total of four bottoms, it was rare to need
more on a typical caving trip.
For most beginning cavers, the management of a carbide lamp was a mystery
and a bit of a challenge. Nearly everyone carried small repair kits that
usually included a tip, felt, gasket, flint, and tip reamer. Neophytes
were tutored and it became a matter of pride and prestige to troubleshoot,
recharge, or repair your lamp in the dark. In the early days of the Texas
Old Timers Reunion, there were carbide lamp contests with blindfolded
competitors.
With experience, cavers became expert in firing a lamp by beginning a flow
of water, sniffing the tip for the tell-tale odor of acetylene, trapping
just the right mixture of air and acetylene within the reflector and
igniting the lamp with a satisfyingly loud pop when the proportions were
correct. Often the built-in sparking device was not working properly, lamps
were ignited flame-to-tip, and the phrase give me a kiss had a whole
different meaning.
Carbide lamps were (and are) multi-purpose devices. Besides providing
illumination, they acted as stoves to heat your lunch, a little spot of soot
made a nice survey marker, and when hunkered over, they provided a
surprising amount of heat. If you cut a hole in the top of a garbage bag
and used it like a poncho, things could get quite toasty. They also work
wonderfully for melting nylon ropes, especially when the ropes are
tensioned. 8-(
The appearance of a cave lit by carbide flame is wonderful. The warmer
color temperature and diffuse pattern of light cannot be duplicated by any
electric lamp I have seen. If you have never been carbide caving try it
sometime just for fun to see what I mean.
Carbide caving didn't end instantly. For several years, I was using an
incandescent head lamp with a shirt pocket battery pack. When we stopped
for any reason, I would turn off my light to conserve battery power and
instantly draw mooch and letch comments from my carbide companions who
then spitefully refused to allow me to heat my boned chicken with their
carbide lamps.
Electric lights have come a long way. We are far beyond the days when a
Wheat Lamp was considered a state of the art caving light. Carbide is gone
and incandescent is all but gone. LED enhancements, micro circuitry, and
advancing battery technology provide us with powerful, lightweight devices
we never dreamed of in the past. I certainly don’t miss all that weight on
the front of my helmet, but I do miss some of the other things about carbide
caving.
===Carl Kunath
Re: [Texascavers] More about carbide caving
I tried using 3% H2O2 in my carbide generator for a while, thinking a
little oxygen might make the light a little brighter.
-WaV
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Amy Jasek amylouis...@gmail.com wrote:
I love the smell of carbide because it reminds me of my dad my awesome
caving childhood : )
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I recall the distinctive odor emitted by one caver buddy who used a CB and
peed in his generator, solving two problems at once. It creating another for
those on his survey team. Carbide stinks but burning urine+carbide will
etch the inside of your skull. I even carried spare water for him at one
point but matter of pride/convenience kept him from accepting it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote:
Ahh, I loved the smell of carbide in the morning! Smelled likevictory.
Another fond memory of carbide caving was the need to constantly clean the
tip with a tip reamer. Some cavers kept a tip reamer on a lanyard around
their necks. Others were always asking to borrow yours.
When I started caving with the British I learned they call a tip reamer a
“pricker” and I was somewhat startled the first time a British caver turned
to me in a tight crawlway with his lamp held out in his hand and asked, “Can
you give me a prick?”
~Frank Binney
On 8/24/12 9:37 AM, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net wrote:
The care, feeding, and management of carbide lamps is a micro-culture in
itself. We're now a couple of generations beyond that (except for those who
cling to things like the so-called ceiling burners, a photo of which
started this whole thread).
Carbide lamps were cheap at the time ('50s -'70s) and carbide was also cheap
and plentiful. Individual users bought 2-pound cans for $2 while groups
often invested in 100-pound drums available from welding supply stores for
about 50¢ a pound in the large drums. Carbide was often made available free
to grotto members as benefit of membership.
Disposal of spent carbide slowly evolved from dump it wherever, to dump it
in a crevice, to bury it in the dirt, to pack it out in a bottle or bag.
Smart cavers soon realized that the better solution was to carry spare
pre-charged lamp bottoms. With a total of four bottoms, it was rare to need
more on a typical caving trip.
For most beginning cavers, the management of a carbide lamp was a mystery
and a bit of a challenge. Nearly everyone carried small repair kits that
usually included a tip, felt, gasket, flint, and tip reamer. Neophytes
were tutored and it became a matter of pride and prestige to troubleshoot,
recharge, or repair your lamp in the dark. In the early days of the Texas
Old Timers Reunion, there were carbide lamp contests with blindfolded
competitors.
With experience, cavers became expert in firing a lamp by beginning a flow
of water, sniffing the tip for the tell-tale odor of acetylene, trapping
just the right mixture of air and acetylene within the reflector and
igniting the lamp with a satisfyingly loud pop when the proportions were
correct. Often the built-in sparking device was not working properly, lamps
were ignited flame-to-tip, and the phrase give me a kiss had a whole
different meaning.
Carbide lamps were (and are) multi-purpose devices. Besides providing
illumination, they acted as stoves to heat your lunch, a little spot of soot
made a nice survey marker, and when hunkered over, they provided a
surprising amount of heat. If you cut a hole in the top of a garbage bag
and used it like a poncho, things could get quite toasty. They also work
wonderfully for melting nylon ropes, especially when the ropes are
tensioned. 8-(
The appearance of a cave lit by carbide flame is wonderful. The warmer
color temperature and diffuse pattern of light cannot be duplicated by any
electric lamp I have seen. If you have never been carbide caving try it
sometime just for fun to see what I mean.
Carbide caving didn't end instantly. For several years, I was using an
incandescent head lamp with a shirt pocket battery pack. When we stopped
for any reason, I would turn off my light to conserve battery power and
instantly draw mooch and letch comments from my carbide companions who
then spitefully refused to allow me to heat my boned chicken with their
carbide lamps.
Electric lights have come a long way. We are far beyond the days when a
Wheat Lamp was considered a state of the art caving light. Carbide is gone
and incandescent is all but gone. LED enhancements, micro circuitry, and
advancing battery technology provide us with powerful, lightweight devices
we never dreamed of in the past. I certainly don’t miss all that weight on
the front of my helmet, but I do miss some of the other things about carbide
caving.
===Carl Kunath
Re: [Texascavers] San Antonio bat question..
I've heard that it is moths. -DC On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: What is the main diet (insect-wise) of the bats around San Antonio? Ted - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] San Antonio bat question..
I've heard that it is moths. -DC On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: What is the main diet (insect-wise) of the bats around San Antonio? Ted - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] San Antonio bat question..
I've heard that it is moths. -DC On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: What is the main diet (insect-wise) of the bats around San Antonio? Ted - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Carbon Dioxide
I've breathed pure nitrogen, oxygen, nitrous oxide... and NOTHING had the same effect as near straight carbon dioxide. (I used to experiment on myself until they told me it might end up like this!) You can't inhale pure CO2 - somehow your lungs reflexively signal your diaphragm to expel. With nitrogen or nitrous oxide, you'd eventually pass out while breathing and you'd die for lack of oxygen. With CO2, I believe you'd wretch and choke to death if you were forced to breathe high concentrations. It isn't poison, Wikipedia bears that out :-) but poisonous gas might be a more pleasant 'way to go'. -WaV On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I went back and looked. Could have just been a typo. Every other place it said dioxide. Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:42:26 -0400 To: texascavers@texascavers.com From: mmin...@caver.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Carbon Dioxide Weird that the source Louise cited brought up cabon _mon_oxide poisoning. That is irrelevant and _much_ worse. Carbon monoxide binds very strongly to hemoglobin, similarly to cyanide and unlike carbon dioxide and oxygen, which bind quite reversibly. CO very quickly becomes toxic, whereas CO2 is relatively benign, causing illness but not fatality unless high levels are maintained for a prolonged period. Fortunately carbon monoxide is relatively rare in the natural world and comes mainly from incomplete combustion. Simple confinement will not likely produce CO poisoning unless the atmosphere is already contaminated. Mark At 07:32 PM 7/28/2012, Louise Power wrote: Some external sources that can cause carbon monoxide poisoning include cigarette smoke, gas water heaters, charcoal grills, boats with engine, diesel or gasoline powered generators, and spray paints. Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Carbon Dioxide
I've breathed pure nitrogen, oxygen, nitrous oxide... and NOTHING had the same effect as near straight carbon dioxide. (I used to experiment on myself until they told me it might end up like this!) You can't inhale pure CO2 - somehow your lungs reflexively signal your diaphragm to expel. With nitrogen or nitrous oxide, you'd eventually pass out while breathing and you'd die for lack of oxygen. With CO2, I believe you'd wretch and choke to death if you were forced to breathe high concentrations. It isn't poison, Wikipedia bears that out :-) but poisonous gas might be a more pleasant 'way to go'. -WaV On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I went back and looked. Could have just been a typo. Every other place it said dioxide. Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:42:26 -0400 To: texascavers@texascavers.com From: mmin...@caver.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Carbon Dioxide Weird that the source Louise cited brought up cabon _mon_oxide poisoning. That is irrelevant and _much_ worse. Carbon monoxide binds very strongly to hemoglobin, similarly to cyanide and unlike carbon dioxide and oxygen, which bind quite reversibly. CO very quickly becomes toxic, whereas CO2 is relatively benign, causing illness but not fatality unless high levels are maintained for a prolonged period. Fortunately carbon monoxide is relatively rare in the natural world and comes mainly from incomplete combustion. Simple confinement will not likely produce CO poisoning unless the atmosphere is already contaminated. Mark At 07:32 PM 7/28/2012, Louise Power wrote: Some external sources that can cause carbon monoxide poisoning include cigarette smoke, gas water heaters, charcoal grills, boats with engine, diesel or gasoline powered generators, and spray paints. Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Carbon Dioxide
I've breathed pure nitrogen, oxygen, nitrous oxide... and NOTHING had the same effect as near straight carbon dioxide. (I used to experiment on myself until they told me it might end up like this!) You can't inhale pure CO2 - somehow your lungs reflexively signal your diaphragm to expel. With nitrogen or nitrous oxide, you'd eventually pass out while breathing and you'd die for lack of oxygen. With CO2, I believe you'd wretch and choke to death if you were forced to breathe high concentrations. It isn't poison, Wikipedia bears that out :-) but poisonous gas might be a more pleasant 'way to go'. -WaV On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I went back and looked. Could have just been a typo. Every other place it said dioxide. Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:42:26 -0400 To: texascavers@texascavers.com From: mmin...@caver.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Carbon Dioxide Weird that the source Louise cited brought up cabon _mon_oxide poisoning. That is irrelevant and _much_ worse. Carbon monoxide binds very strongly to hemoglobin, similarly to cyanide and unlike carbon dioxide and oxygen, which bind quite reversibly. CO very quickly becomes toxic, whereas CO2 is relatively benign, causing illness but not fatality unless high levels are maintained for a prolonged period. Fortunately carbon monoxide is relatively rare in the natural world and comes mainly from incomplete combustion. Simple confinement will not likely produce CO poisoning unless the atmosphere is already contaminated. Mark At 07:32 PM 7/28/2012, Louise Power wrote: Some external sources that can cause carbon monoxide poisoning include cigarette smoke, gas water heaters, charcoal grills, boats with engine, diesel or gasoline powered generators, and spray paints. Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] HALOGEN lighting system at Longhorn Caverns?
Yeah - I've gone back over it and yes, it is 12V Halogen. In my experience - halogen lighting produces very yellow and very hot bulbs. I don't get it - but apparently, yeah. They are halogen. Not LED, which it would seem would be the most efficient and lowest heat producing light source! -WaV On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote: Don, I just called Longhorn Caverns and the person who answered asked one of the tour guides if the new lighting system is halogen or LED. The guide said it is halogen. Same for the description of the new lighting system in the June 21st TPWD press release that can be accessed at the TPWD website or the Longhorn Cavern website (link below). http://www.longhorncaverns.com/pdf/Longhorn_Caverns_New_Lighting.pdf On 7/20/2012 7:06 PM, Don Cooper wrote: Apologies for not staying in closer tune with the details, but the KVUE weather channel news ticker mentioned a new HALOGEN lighting system at Longhorn Caverns... I cannot see how that would POSSIBLY be an energy efficient and less-heat generating lighting option. Please confirm that they are as clueless as they seem - and the new light system is LED based! -WaV - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] HALOGEN lighting system at Longhorn Caverns?
Yeah - I've gone back over it and yes, it is 12V Halogen. In my experience - halogen lighting produces very yellow and very hot bulbs. I don't get it - but apparently, yeah. They are halogen. Not LED, which it would seem would be the most efficient and lowest heat producing light source! -WaV On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote: Don, I just called Longhorn Caverns and the person who answered asked one of the tour guides if the new lighting system is halogen or LED. The guide said it is halogen. Same for the description of the new lighting system in the June 21st TPWD press release that can be accessed at the TPWD website or the Longhorn Cavern website (link below). http://www.longhorncaverns.com/pdf/Longhorn_Caverns_New_Lighting.pdf On 7/20/2012 7:06 PM, Don Cooper wrote: Apologies for not staying in closer tune with the details, but the KVUE weather channel news ticker mentioned a new HALOGEN lighting system at Longhorn Caverns... I cannot see how that would POSSIBLY be an energy efficient and less-heat generating lighting option. Please confirm that they are as clueless as they seem - and the new light system is LED based! -WaV - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] HALOGEN lighting system at Longhorn Caverns?
Yeah - I've gone back over it and yes, it is 12V Halogen. In my experience - halogen lighting produces very yellow and very hot bulbs. I don't get it - but apparently, yeah. They are halogen. Not LED, which it would seem would be the most efficient and lowest heat producing light source! -WaV On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com wrote: Don, I just called Longhorn Caverns and the person who answered asked one of the tour guides if the new lighting system is halogen or LED. The guide said it is halogen. Same for the description of the new lighting system in the June 21st TPWD press release that can be accessed at the TPWD website or the Longhorn Cavern website (link below). http://www.longhorncaverns.com/pdf/Longhorn_Caverns_New_Lighting.pdf On 7/20/2012 7:06 PM, Don Cooper wrote: Apologies for not staying in closer tune with the details, but the KVUE weather channel news ticker mentioned a new HALOGEN lighting system at Longhorn Caverns... I cannot see how that would POSSIBLY be an energy efficient and less-heat generating lighting option. Please confirm that they are as clueless as they seem - and the new light system is LED based! -WaV - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19
I don't get Halogen. It produces as much heat per lumen as incandescent lighting. -WaV On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Natasha Glasgow natashanich...@yahoo.com wrote: Hopefully they were a little more creative in hiding the wiring this time!!! Can't wait to see it!!! Natasha From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; diane.dismu...@tpwd.state.tx.us; we...@zianet.com; eric.houseofs...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 Hey Cavers! Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 BURNET — Add one more reason to visit or revisit Longhorn Cavern State Park this summer other than its constant 68-degree environment. Workers have rewired the National Registered Landmark and replaced decades-old incandescent lights with hundreds of energy-saving, 12-volt halogen lights to better illuminate the cavern’s most outstanding natural features. Read the release: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20120628b - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] HALOGEN lighting system at Longhorn Caverns?
Apologies for not staying in closer tune with the details, but the KVUE weather channel news ticker mentioned a new HALOGEN lighting system at Longhorn Caverns... I cannot see how that would POSSIBLY be an energy efficient and less-heat generating lighting option. Please confirm that they are as clueless as they seem - and the new light system is LED based! -WaV - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19
I don't get Halogen. It produces as much heat per lumen as incandescent lighting. -WaV On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Natasha Glasgow natashanich...@yahoo.com wrote: Hopefully they were a little more creative in hiding the wiring this time!!! Can't wait to see it!!! Natasha From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; diane.dismu...@tpwd.state.tx.us; we...@zianet.com; eric.houseofs...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 Hey Cavers! Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 BURNET — Add one more reason to visit or revisit Longhorn Cavern State Park this summer other than its constant 68-degree environment. Workers have rewired the National Registered Landmark and replaced decades-old incandescent lights with hundreds of energy-saving, 12-volt halogen lights to better illuminate the cavern’s most outstanding natural features. Read the release: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20120628b - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19
I don't get Halogen. It produces as much heat per lumen as incandescent lighting. -WaV On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Natasha Glasgow natashanich...@yahoo.com wrote: Hopefully they were a little more creative in hiding the wiring this time!!! Can't wait to see it!!! Natasha From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; diane.dismu...@tpwd.state.tx.us; we...@zianet.com; eric.houseofs...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 Hey Cavers! Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 BURNET — Add one more reason to visit or revisit Longhorn Cavern State Park this summer other than its constant 68-degree environment. Workers have rewired the National Registered Landmark and replaced decades-old incandescent lights with hundreds of energy-saving, 12-volt halogen lights to better illuminate the cavern’s most outstanding natural features. Read the release: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20120628b - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] HALOGEN lighting system at Longhorn Caverns?
Apologies for not staying in closer tune with the details, but the KVUE weather channel news ticker mentioned a new HALOGEN lighting system at Longhorn Caverns... I cannot see how that would POSSIBLY be an energy efficient and less-heat generating lighting option. Please confirm that they are as clueless as they seem - and the new light system is LED based! -WaV - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion 2012]
Praise Bob! On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote: Thanks for organizing this Don! Great news about the air-conditioned cabins being available at Paradise Canyon, which might persuade my non-caving and non-camping girlfriend to accompany me this year. However, I see the price for cabins on the Paradise Canyon website is $155 a night with a two night minimum, plus tax, and you have to bring your own sheets, pillows and towels. Back in the day, that amount of money would have covered a month of caving in Mexico. Frank On 6/1/12 1:23 PM, Arburn Don d...@oztotl.com wrote: O.K. Texas Cavers, this is it, the official announcement for Texas Cavers Reunion 2012!! October 18, 19, 20 21, 2012 is the date. Paradise Canyon is the place. For those who know, it's a great place in south Texas for car camping and caver camaraderie. The park has grown in size since our last TCR there, the camping extends all the way to the downstream bridge. There will be additional bathrooms and cabin facilities for those who want to splurge and get A/C and a bed. The rest of us will have very nice campsites down by the Medina River. The park has improved many of the banks along the river and added more picnic tables. Paradise Canyon is a wonderful place for our Speleolympics, Hot Tub, Big Feed, Swimming, Awards, carousing, fun and of course - The Parade! This year's theme: 2012; Mayan Apocalypse! Prices, Menu, Facebook and other specifics will be forthcoming. d...@oztotl.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion 2012]
Praise Bob! On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote: Thanks for organizing this Don! Great news about the air-conditioned cabins being available at Paradise Canyon, which might persuade my non-caving and non-camping girlfriend to accompany me this year. However, I see the price for cabins on the Paradise Canyon website is $155 a night with a two night minimum, plus tax, and you have to bring your own sheets, pillows and towels. Back in the day, that amount of money would have covered a month of caving in Mexico. Frank On 6/1/12 1:23 PM, Arburn Don d...@oztotl.com wrote: O.K. Texas Cavers, this is it, the official announcement for Texas Cavers Reunion 2012!! October 18, 19, 20 21, 2012 is the date. Paradise Canyon is the place. For those who know, it's a great place in south Texas for car camping and caver camaraderie. The park has grown in size since our last TCR there, the camping extends all the way to the downstream bridge. There will be additional bathrooms and cabin facilities for those who want to splurge and get A/C and a bed. The rest of us will have very nice campsites down by the Medina River. The park has improved many of the banks along the river and added more picnic tables. Paradise Canyon is a wonderful place for our Speleolympics, Hot Tub, Big Feed, Swimming, Awards, carousing, fun and of course - The Parade! This year's theme: 2012; Mayan Apocalypse! Prices, Menu, Facebook and other specifics will be forthcoming. d...@oztotl.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion 2012]
Praise Bob! On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote: Thanks for organizing this Don! Great news about the air-conditioned cabins being available at Paradise Canyon, which might persuade my non-caving and non-camping girlfriend to accompany me this year. However, I see the price for cabins on the Paradise Canyon website is $155 a night with a two night minimum, plus tax, and you have to bring your own sheets, pillows and towels. Back in the day, that amount of money would have covered a month of caving in Mexico. Frank On 6/1/12 1:23 PM, Arburn Don d...@oztotl.com wrote: O.K. Texas Cavers, this is it, the official announcement for Texas Cavers Reunion 2012!! October 18, 19, 20 21, 2012 is the date. Paradise Canyon is the place. For those who know, it's a great place in south Texas for car camping and caver camaraderie. The park has grown in size since our last TCR there, the camping extends all the way to the downstream bridge. There will be additional bathrooms and cabin facilities for those who want to splurge and get A/C and a bed. The rest of us will have very nice campsites down by the Medina River. The park has improved many of the banks along the river and added more picnic tables. Paradise Canyon is a wonderful place for our Speleolympics, Hot Tub, Big Feed, Swimming, Awards, carousing, fun and of course - The Parade! This year's theme: 2012; Mayan Apocalypse! Prices, Menu, Facebook and other specifics will be forthcoming. d...@oztotl.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Body Of Kevin Eve Found
Self Inflicted gun shot wound, deep in Breathing Hole Cave. Cave had been closed off, but students who found the body were not charged. http://www.wdrb.com/story/16694850/coroners-office-cave-explorer-died-of-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Body Of Kevin Eve Found
Self Inflicted gun shot wound, deep in Breathing Hole Cave. Cave had been closed off, but students who found the body were not charged. http://www.wdrb.com/story/16694850/coroners-office-cave-explorer-died-of-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Body Of Kevin Eve Found
Self Inflicted gun shot wound, deep in Breathing Hole Cave. Cave had been closed off, but students who found the body were not charged. http://www.wdrb.com/story/16694850/coroners-office-cave-explorer-died-of-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Ministers: Any successful in-cave marriages?
I believe, that due to planar topological relations to all parties involved, a non-resolving dimensional instability begins to resonate between two sexual partners who undergo a social ceremony while inside a hole. That resonance creates frionic irritation within the medula oblongata - totally wrecking the peace, love and happiness which otherwise would have possibly bonded such a couple. -DC On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote: Have any marriages lasted that had their wedding celebrations in a cave? I recall a number of underground weddings over the years officiated by Reverend Ediger or other ordained cavers but as far as I recall all ended in divorce. --Frank On 1/18/12 9:02 AM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: In April of 1969, just before or just after a trip to Golondrinas, I sent in a 6-cent postcard with my and Jette Feduska's names and addresses on it--no money, no nuthin else--and received our ordinations in the Universal Life Church a few days later. For 3-cents I got ordained. Carta Valley SUCKS was in full swing at the time and I performed baptisms at several caver functions ranging from State College, Pennsylvania to California (and an NSS BOG party in Buda) with water from Oztotl's Cave in Mexico provided by the Bittingers. In the early '80s I joined the rabble at the Church of the Sub-Genius as the Rev Theophilus Punnoval and still have and wear my Bob Dobbs shirt (printed in my silk screen shop at Mockingburd 300). I've probably done something somewhat fewer than 30 weddings in all--a few in caves, on mountain tops and rivers, and on rope high up a cliff. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Ministers: Any successful in-cave marriages?
I believe, that due to planar topological relations to all parties involved, a non-resolving dimensional instability begins to resonate between two sexual partners who undergo a social ceremony while inside a hole. That resonance creates frionic irritation within the medula oblongata - totally wrecking the peace, love and happiness which otherwise would have possibly bonded such a couple. -DC On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com wrote: Have any marriages lasted that had their wedding celebrations in a cave? I recall a number of underground weddings over the years officiated by Reverend Ediger or other ordained cavers but as far as I recall all ended in divorce. --Frank On 1/18/12 9:02 AM, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: In April of 1969, just before or just after a trip to Golondrinas, I sent in a 6-cent postcard with my and Jette Feduska's names and addresses on it--no money, no nuthin else--and received our ordinations in the Universal Life Church a few days later. For 3-cents I got ordained. Carta Valley SUCKS was in full swing at the time and I performed baptisms at several caver functions ranging from State College, Pennsylvania to California (and an NSS BOG party in Buda) with water from Oztotl's Cave in Mexico provided by the Bittingers. In the early '80s I joined the rabble at the Church of the Sub-Genius as the Rev Theophilus Punnoval and still have and wear my Bob Dobbs shirt (printed in my silk screen shop at Mockingburd 300). I've probably done something somewhat fewer than 30 weddings in all--a few in caves, on mountain tops and rivers, and on rope high up a cliff. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Toyota triumphant!
The story itself is the point, not the destination. (HOW long have you been reading Sleazewheeze's posts on Cave Tex???) Though not frequently challenged - my 21 yr old S-10 Blazer did turn 200,000 mi the other day. It's been holding its own while THREE other R-22 Toyota's I know of have lunched their motors FIVE times. (Something to be said of old technology - pushrods, low compression and large displacement. Maybe I just know how to treat my toys right.) -WaV On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: You mean you drove all that way for one snake and a couple of lizards? ;-) From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] Despite it being a summer day it was cold as hell up there. There seemed to be no chance of finding any snakes, but when I complained an ancient cowboy looked around and pointed at a pine tree. There to my amazement was a little twin spotted rattlesnake (Crotalus pricei) climbing straight up the tree caterpillar style. There were also a few cold numbed alligator lizards. Clouds closed in and we were nearly out of beer so it was time to depart. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Toyota triumphant!
The story itself is the point, not the destination. (HOW long have you been reading Sleazewheeze's posts on Cave Tex???) Though not frequently challenged - my 21 yr old S-10 Blazer did turn 200,000 mi the other day. It's been holding its own while THREE other R-22 Toyota's I know of have lunched their motors FIVE times. (Something to be said of old technology - pushrods, low compression and large displacement. Maybe I just know how to treat my toys right.) -WaV On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: You mean you drove all that way for one snake and a couple of lizards? ;-) From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] Despite it being a summer day it was cold as hell up there. There seemed to be no chance of finding any snakes, but when I complained an ancient cowboy looked around and pointed at a pine tree. There to my amazement was a little twin spotted rattlesnake (Crotalus pricei) climbing straight up the tree caterpillar style. There were also a few cold numbed alligator lizards. Clouds closed in and we were nearly out of beer so it was time to depart. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Toyota triumphant!
The story itself is the point, not the destination. (HOW long have you been reading Sleazewheeze's posts on Cave Tex???) Though not frequently challenged - my 21 yr old S-10 Blazer did turn 200,000 mi the other day. It's been holding its own while THREE other R-22 Toyota's I know of have lunched their motors FIVE times. (Something to be said of old technology - pushrods, low compression and large displacement. Maybe I just know how to treat my toys right.) -WaV On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: You mean you drove all that way for one snake and a couple of lizards? ;-) From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] Despite it being a summer day it was cold as hell up there. There seemed to be no chance of finding any snakes, but when I complained an ancient cowboy looked around and pointed at a pine tree. There to my amazement was a little twin spotted rattlesnake (Crotalus pricei) climbing straight up the tree caterpillar style. There were also a few cold numbed alligator lizards. Clouds closed in and we were nearly out of beer so it was time to depart. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Rod Goke Update?
I happened upon the tent/shrine while trying to find my way back to camp, in the wee hours of the morning - quite a surreal and deeply moving experience. My heartfelt appreciation also to those who put it together. It meant a lot to me to have a way to say goodbye. -WaV On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:40 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Just checking in to see if there is any new info as to services for Rod and to thank whoever set up the memorial for him at TCR. It was very thoughtful, beautiful, touching, and well done. He would be most pleased. Thanks, Mark - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Rod Goke Update?
I happened upon the tent/shrine while trying to find my way back to camp, in the wee hours of the morning - quite a surreal and deeply moving experience. My heartfelt appreciation also to those who put it together. It meant a lot to me to have a way to say goodbye. -WaV On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:40 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Just checking in to see if there is any new info as to services for Rod and to thank whoever set up the memorial for him at TCR. It was very thoughtful, beautiful, touching, and well done. He would be most pleased. Thanks, Mark - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Rod Goke Update?
I happened upon the tent/shrine while trying to find my way back to camp, in the wee hours of the morning - quite a surreal and deeply moving experience. My heartfelt appreciation also to those who put it together. It meant a lot to me to have a way to say goodbye. -WaV On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:40 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Just checking in to see if there is any new info as to services for Rod and to thank whoever set up the memorial for him at TCR. It was very thoughtful, beautiful, touching, and well done. He would be most pleased. Thanks, Mark - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Seven Hundred New Laws.
Lawmakers are doing what we pay them for - coming up with new laws. The agenda should change. We need to get rid of most laws, and evaluate how the remaining one's should be made reasonable and clear. We need more laws like we need more politicians and banks. -WaV!
[ot_caving] Seven Hundred New Laws.
Lawmakers are doing what we pay them for - coming up with new laws. The agenda should change. We need to get rid of most laws, and evaluate how the remaining one's should be made reasonable and clear. We need more laws like we need more politicians and banks. -WaV!
[ot_caving] Seven Hundred New Laws.
Lawmakers are doing what we pay them for - coming up with new laws. The agenda should change. We need to get rid of most laws, and evaluate how the remaining one's should be made reasonable and clear. We need more laws like we need more politicians and banks. -WaV!
[Texascavers] Randy Brown
I'm trying to get a note off to Randy Brown. I wondered if anyone out there has his email address?? It would be appreciated. -Wav
[Texascavers] Randy Brown
I'm trying to get a note off to Randy Brown. I wondered if anyone out there has his email address?? It would be appreciated. -Wav
[Texascavers] Randy Brown
I'm trying to get a note off to Randy Brown. I wondered if anyone out there has his email address?? It would be appreciated. -Wav
Re: [Texascavers] where a man can breathe free
I noticed, perhaps it was on the Discover Channel, a TV show called Swamp Loggers. It's a reality documentary with added incidental soundtrack in the likes of Dangerous Catch... Real Heavy Equipment Excitement! Sickening, really. Clear cut the swamp! Ya Hoo! -WaV On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:49 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 8/5/2011 4:12:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com writes: If all the people fretting over the numerous environmental and social problems resulting from overpopulation were to focus instead on the primary underlying cause, we might reverse this trend and see real progress towards long range solutions and improving quality of life for future generations Amen! Here in Hogtown the living is still easy, the moss hangs from the live oaks and all is well until the Students return. Gainesville is the Austin of Florida, but the big difference is that there are damned near two million Texacans in Austin but only about 250,000 gators in the Hogtown metro area. The reason for that is that we don't want no stinking jobs or new businesses unless they are directly related to University of Florida biotech spinoffs. As soon as they become successful they move to Austin taking the redundant grad students with them. We make it a point to screw every developer who sticks his head out of a hole. We often lose, but we still cost the developers millions every time they try. We don't want no stinking roads either. The bad news is the dawning of the age of biomass. It seems we have way too many trees, so the plan is to burn them in place of coal. After they cut down all the trees maybe I'll move to Detroit. I hear there are wide open spaces out there where a man can breathe free. Sleaze
Re: [Texascavers] where a man can breathe free
I noticed, perhaps it was on the Discover Channel, a TV show called Swamp Loggers. It's a reality documentary with added incidental soundtrack in the likes of Dangerous Catch... Real Heavy Equipment Excitement! Sickening, really. Clear cut the swamp! Ya Hoo! -WaV On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:49 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 8/5/2011 4:12:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com writes: If all the people fretting over the numerous environmental and social problems resulting from overpopulation were to focus instead on the primary underlying cause, we might reverse this trend and see real progress towards long range solutions and improving quality of life for future generations Amen! Here in Hogtown the living is still easy, the moss hangs from the live oaks and all is well until the Students return. Gainesville is the Austin of Florida, but the big difference is that there are damned near two million Texacans in Austin but only about 250,000 gators in the Hogtown metro area. The reason for that is that we don't want no stinking jobs or new businesses unless they are directly related to University of Florida biotech spinoffs. As soon as they become successful they move to Austin taking the redundant grad students with them. We make it a point to screw every developer who sticks his head out of a hole. We often lose, but we still cost the developers millions every time they try. We don't want no stinking roads either. The bad news is the dawning of the age of biomass. It seems we have way too many trees, so the plan is to burn them in place of coal. After they cut down all the trees maybe I'll move to Detroit. I hear there are wide open spaces out there where a man can breathe free. Sleaze
Re: [Texascavers] where a man can breathe free
I noticed, perhaps it was on the Discover Channel, a TV show called Swamp Loggers. It's a reality documentary with added incidental soundtrack in the likes of Dangerous Catch... Real Heavy Equipment Excitement! Sickening, really. Clear cut the swamp! Ya Hoo! -WaV On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:49 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 8/5/2011 4:12:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com writes: If all the people fretting over the numerous environmental and social problems resulting from overpopulation were to focus instead on the primary underlying cause, we might reverse this trend and see real progress towards long range solutions and improving quality of life for future generations Amen! Here in Hogtown the living is still easy, the moss hangs from the live oaks and all is well until the Students return. Gainesville is the Austin of Florida, but the big difference is that there are damned near two million Texacans in Austin but only about 250,000 gators in the Hogtown metro area. The reason for that is that we don't want no stinking jobs or new businesses unless they are directly related to University of Florida biotech spinoffs. As soon as they become successful they move to Austin taking the redundant grad students with them. We make it a point to screw every developer who sticks his head out of a hole. We often lose, but we still cost the developers millions every time they try. We don't want no stinking roads either. The bad news is the dawning of the age of biomass. It seems we have way too many trees, so the plan is to burn them in place of coal. After they cut down all the trees maybe I'll move to Detroit. I hear there are wide open spaces out there where a man can breathe free. Sleaze
Re: [Texascavers] Austinites, here come the brown outs -- not necessarily OT
Yeah probably the biggest problem no one wants to address. Decrease population means decreased production in the corporate world, and that just won't DO... We have to keep writing bad checks on our environmental overdraw until someone else solves our problems somehow, some way... -WaV On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: ** ** ** ** *From:* Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] ** ** Move where? Overpopulation is a major underlying cause of almost all of the environmental problems that consume so much of our attention and is also a significant factor in many current social problems, but it's hardly a local phenomenon. The world population continues to grow, the population of our country continues to grow, *every state in which I have lived has had increasing population, and every city in which I have lived has experienced population growth along with its resulting problems*. Sounds like you’re very popular Rod! ** ** Cheers, Stefan ** ** -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Austinites, here come the brown outs -- not necessarily OT
Yeah probably the biggest problem no one wants to address. Decrease population means decreased production in the corporate world, and that just won't DO... We have to keep writing bad checks on our environmental overdraw until someone else solves our problems somehow, some way... -WaV On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: ** ** ** ** *From:* Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] ** ** Move where? Overpopulation is a major underlying cause of almost all of the environmental problems that consume so much of our attention and is also a significant factor in many current social problems, but it's hardly a local phenomenon. The world population continues to grow, the population of our country continues to grow, *every state in which I have lived has had increasing population, and every city in which I have lived has experienced population growth along with its resulting problems*. Sounds like you’re very popular Rod! ** ** Cheers, Stefan ** ** -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Static Electricity and Gas Pump Fires
Reminds me of a placard I noticed on a fuel truck at the airport. It said: 'Loose your potential.' Truly - this might be considered anti-motivational. But what it means is obvious if you know anything about static, airplanes and fuel. Surely the same applies to cars and gas pumps. Touch metal. Get grounded. -WaV On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net wrote: I think that a properly working (or even improperly working) cell phone is unlikely to start a fuel pump fire, but I would not say that it is impossible if the phone is actually in contact with the explosive vapor. You don't have to have a high voltage power supply to produce sparks. For example,
Re: [Texascavers] Static Electricity and Gas Pump Fires
Reminds me of a placard I noticed on a fuel truck at the airport. It said: 'Loose your potential.' Truly - this might be considered anti-motivational. But what it means is obvious if you know anything about static, airplanes and fuel. Surely the same applies to cars and gas pumps. Touch metal. Get grounded. -WaV On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net wrote: I think that a properly working (or even improperly working) cell phone is unlikely to start a fuel pump fire, but I would not say that it is impossible if the phone is actually in contact with the explosive vapor. You don't have to have a high voltage power supply to produce sparks. For example,
