Re: [Texascavers] TCR musician suggestion

[Herman Miller via Texascavers]

I say we just have a collection of goodwill instruments on stage and anyone
who wants to jam can.  It's free and the more alcohol the better the music
sounds.

On Feb 19, 2017 5:41 AM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Sure. Who pays for them?
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 1:00 AM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> I vote we bring these folks to TCR to perform:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRwAl4pOAWE
>>
>> Anybody 2nd the motion ??
>>
>> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] cool NSS convention

[Herman Miller via Texascavers]

I will have several shade tents set up and you are all welcome to gather as
necessary.  On a side note I'd really love a bottle of praline liquor
(cream colored bottle with a steamwheel boat graphic) if any one is feeling
extra generous :).

Herman Miller
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Re: [Texascavers] robots in today's news

[Herman Miller via Texascavers]

This robot was no more autonomous than a predator drone in iraq.  What it
did we have been doing on a near daily basis since 9/11.  When predator
drones were initially armed there was a lot of talk about whether it
violated the Geneva conventions or not.  After deliberation it was found
that it was in concordance.  Are there autonomous "robots" capable of using
lethal force; most definitely.  There are FLIR controlled weapon mounts
that will fire indescriminantly and without input from a controller.  The
idea of strapping an explosive to a remote controlled vehicle is nothing
new.

Herman Miller
On Jul 8, 2016 11:11, "David via Texascavers" 
wrote:

This morning, the gov't ( a.k a Big Brother ) announced it sent a robot on
a mission to kill and destroy a specific citizen and the mission was a
success.

That is an important milestone in human history of Biblical importance.
Certainly more interesting than the story about the image of the rose
petals appearing on the drunk man's shirt ( See Virgin of Guadalupe )

We have known for at least a year they have been using remote control
drones to destroy groups of foreigners, but drones are not robots, and the
alleged Jihadist are not citizens.

So now we have a new worry.   Will the gov't use robots to kill us ?   Can
we trust human-killing robots ?   Can we trust men who profit from
human-killing robots ?   Will we build a robot designed to destroy
out-of-control human-kiling robots ?

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante Cave

[Herman Miller via Texascavers]

Hola Monica,

Mas informacion por favor.  Yo necessita  El datos por de anos 2016 y
2017.  MI trabajan necessita Mas tiempo por vacaciones.

Hello monica,

More information please. I need dates for 2016 and 2017.  My job requires
me to put in for vacation time a year ahead of time.

Muchos gracias,
Herman miller
her...@cavechat.org
On Mar 1, 2016 16:44, "David Fuls via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> As would I. What dates are being considered?
>
> -Carson
>
>
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> *From:* ryan monjaras via Texascavers 
> *To:* texas cavers 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2016 10:48 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante Cave
>
> I would be interested in upcoming trips. What are the dates?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC. via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Date: 3/1/2016 11:03 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TSA Cavers 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Bustamante Cave
>
> Hi Everyone.
>
> I just to obtain a permission from the new authorities of the goverment on
> Nuevo León, to start the survey project  on Bustamante Cave. this
> permission is for two years
>
> Do you want come to participe with me to finish the survey?
>
> Please let me know if you are interest? write me at this email and I can
> answer all your questions.
>
> If you really wants to help me on Bustamante Cave survey, please contact
> me.
>
> Regards
>
> Mónica Ponce
>
> Note:
> And let me tell you, in past time about some people of this clube anounced
> information about the birthday passage. I'm so sorry about it. but now,
> they are not more members this association, so you don't have problems with
> them.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Rope inquiry

[Herman Miller via Texascavers]

I still have 1k feet of clean unused 10m rope for sale at cost;  never seen
the light of day, just thought I'd have been speaking a lot more Spanish on
my caving trips then what I am now.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Jerry via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> A possible revisit to Big Bend, perhaps ?
>
> Jerry.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
> To: Texascavers Mailing List 
> Sent: Fri, Dec 11, 2015 12:55 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Rope inquiry
>
> It sure does..
> Details provided on a “Need to Know” basis with proper clearances. All I
> can tell you is it’s big and it’s here in Texas.
>
> Geary
> El dic 11, 2015 1:53 PM, "Jon Cradit via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>
>> Ahhh, but it didn’t say it’s in Texas.
>> “…interesting domestic project.”
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nico Escamilla via Texascavers
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 11:40 AM
>> *To:* Texascavers Mailing List 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Rope inquiry
>>
>> Big and texas cant go together in a sentence if its cave related... I
>> thought people knew that
>> Nico
>> El dic 11, 2015 11:21 AM, "Nancy Weaver via Texascavers" <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>>
>> sounds fun.  Nancy
>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Wanted, a few people for hazardous journey, no wages, bitter cold and
>> wet, long hours of complete darkness, constant danger, advanced vertical
>> skills and long hours of training required, must be strong like bull and
>> smart like tractor, safe return doubtful, honor and recognition in case of
>> success
>>
>> (with apologies to Ernest Shackleton).
>>
>> Details provided on a “Need to Know” basis with proper clearances. All I
>> can tell you is it’s big and it’s here in Texas.
>>
>> Geary
>>
>>
>> *From:* Texascavers [ 
>> mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *via Texascavers
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 9:09 AM
>> *To:*  texascavers@texascavers.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Rope inquiry
>>
>> What the hell are you and Sue up to, Geary?!   J
>>
>>
>> Mark Alman
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Texascavers [ 
>> mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Geary Schindel
>> via Texascavers
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 8:27 AM
>> *To:* ' texascavers@texascavers.com'
>> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Rope inquiry
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I was wondering if there is someone in Texas that might have 600 feet of
>> 9 ml static rope and like to participate in an interesting domestic project.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]

[Herman Miller via Texascavers]

Much to the chagrin of my family this will be the second TCR in a row that
I'll be missing, so no showing up early and helping build up the site for
me.  I'm burning a lot of my time off preparing for the 2016 NSS convention
in Ely, NV and also an extended trip into a newly discovered cave in
central British Columbia that is showing a ton of potential.  I hope you
all have a great reunion and I hope to see you all at next years national
convention

Herman Miller
her...@cavechat.org

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Oops. Hit send prematurely.

 Don said I could be the boss!

 But, I understand and will make sure they get done after dinner. I don't
 like crusty dishes. 

 Sheryl Rieck
 sheryl.ri...@gmail.com

 You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just
 might find you get what you need Rolling Stones

  On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hey! You aren't the boss! Don told me I could b
 
  Sheryl Rieck
  sheryl.ri...@gmail.com
 
  You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just
 might find you get what you need Rolling Stones
 
  On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
  Diana, Sheryl,
 
  The optimum time for dishwashing is actually *after* dinner. Cooking
 pots, etc. are emptied into the serving vessels as late as possible, and
 then serving vessels are emptied by hungry cavers. *That* is when there is
 lots of washing up to be done.
 
  It is best done that evening, before it has caked on overnight. In the
 morning we really just want to pack up dry gear and go home, not wash the
 dishes and wait for them to dry.
 
  Cheers,
  Stefan
 
  Ps. That is not to say that we don't need people to wash stuff while we
 prepare; just that the bulk of it is after dinner.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On
 Behalf Of Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers
  Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:25 AM
  To: texascavers@texascavers.com
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]
 
  Thanks, Diana!
 
  Sheryl Rieck
  sheryl.ri...@gmail.com
 
  You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just
 might find you get what you need Rolling Stones
 
  On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
  Sheryl,
 
  I will drop by during the food prep and cooking time before dinner and
 help with dish washing.
 
  Diana
 
  **
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  Professor
  Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas
  Southwestern Medical Center
  5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
  Rm. ND10.214A
  Dallas, TX 75390-8816
  diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
  (214) 645-6383 (phone)
  (214) 645-6353 (fax)
 
  On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Sheryl Rieck via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
  Don had promised me dish washing minions. Come be my minion! 
 
  Sheryl Rieck
  sheryl.ri...@gmail.com
 
  You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just
  might find you get what you need Rolling Stones
 
  On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 
  On Aug 25, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Karen via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
  Ha.. in other words, on demand!
 
  In all seriousness though, the titles are very cute, but perhaps it
 would be helpful to describe a little of what they do?  Do Charmin Bearers
 just bring the tp?
 
  Yes, they just bring TP, and distribute to the portojohns as needed.
 No one should run out of TP. Simple, once a day, go check them, leave TP as
 needed.
 
  Dishwashing is self explanatory. As is the Slideshow Nerd  the
 Speleolympics Officials. Help or don't. I'm just lining up volunteers early.
 
  And I'm sure some are wondering what the very high profile and
 respected Loo Crew really does...
 
  The Paradise Canyon Loo Crew keeps the Paradise Canyon Loos clean.
 
  I couldn't make last year's TCR, but fully expect to attend this
 year and assist with the activities I've always volunteered for, but maybe
 I could help with one of these too?
 
  Cheers,
  Karen
 
  Maybe you could.
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
  Your shift will be from Friday afternoon to Sunday lunchtime ;-)
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On
  Behalf Of Holly Weinstock via Texascavers
  Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 9:48 PM
  To: texascavers@texascavers.com
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]
 
  I guess basically - What will I be doing?  And when will my shift
 be?
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 25, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Arburn Don via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
  Done! Thanks! Questions?
 
  On 

Re: [Texascavers] Immigration and caving

[Herman Miller via Texascavers]

There are numerous avenues for individuals to come into the united states
for recreation.  many people in europe only need a passport to enter the
country via the Visa Waiver Program (VWP).  Mexican citizens need either a
B1/B2 visa to enter the United States or if making a crossing via sea or
land the may enter the country utilizing a B1/B2 Border Crossing Card BCC.
Neither of these are particularly hard to receive you just need to apply at
a US consulate in the country which you reside in and basically prove that
you just want to come into the country for legitimate reasons and that you
arent a risk for staying after the expiration of your visa and or the
permitted individual stay times for a visa, for a B2 (Recreation) the
default period you are permitted to be in the country is six months with a
specific amount of the year spent outside the country which I do not recall
at this time.  Under this visa you are not allowed to work and you receive
no benefits.  The BCC is very similar though when crossing you also need to
pay a nominal fee for a form I-94. this will allow you to travel further
into the country as a BCC normally only allows an individual to travel 50
miles north (75 in Arizona).

Regarding an expired Lawfully Admitted Residence Card aka LAPR Card or
green card.  she will not be out of status with an expired green card
though she will need to get it renewed prior to leaving the country or run
the risk of being charged a very hefty fee on the order of ~800 dollars for
a waiver of documents which is of course not guaranteed.  worst case
scenario is that she could be denied entry for criminal acts she has
commited while in the United States or abroad.



Herman Miller

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:08 PM, David via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 This falls under personal opinions and not caving related.  I am only
 posting it because it is related to today's big news story.

 By David Locklear
 dlocklea...@gmail.com

 I hope I can make this sound caving related, but that is probably
 stretching it.

 I have heard rumors there are non-U.S. citizens living in the states that
 not only go caving here, but are very active cavers.

 I would be in favor of a plan to allow undocumented foreign cavers  a
 visitation visa that was renewable every 3 years, as long as a U.S. citizen
 in good standing sponsored them, and that the process be straight-forward.
 I would not want them to receive any kind of gov't benefits and their
 children would have to attend private school, and their spouses would have
 to stay home or qualify separately under their own skills.   I would want
 their entire criminal history, (not just felonies,) publicly accessible.  I
 would think such a visa would be worth $ 1,000.

 But how would the gov't weed out undesirable applicant's who find
 loopholes in the procedures, that nefarious immigration attorneys are known
 for?  There would be so much fraud.

 Personally, I am strongly opposed to deportation of criminals.  I would
 much rather keep them here permanently in remote tent camps in northern
 North Dakota. So I disagree with both Republicans and Democrats in that.

 I would like to see a rule included to protect naive US spouses who marry
 non-U.S. citizens, but to especially prohibit their children from being
 taken out of the country.

 On a related note,

 my Mexican mother-in-law, stays with us for 3 months, then goes home and
 renews her papers and then comes back a month later  She has been doing
 this for 10 years and I am so burned out from having to deal with her.  She
 does not hurt America, but does make pocket-change cooking tamales and
 sewing clothes for other immigrants in our neighborhood.  The only help she
 provides is being our kid's nanny, so you could say she is putting the
 nanny and baby-sitter out of business.

 Also, my estranged wife will be here illegally in about 3 months, as her
 Green Card will expire.  She has made no effort to fix that, except to call
 my mother and tell her what a rotten son she raised.
 She just started working as a pre-K teacher in a private school in a
 religious facility, so she is putting an American out of a job there.  The
 pay and benefits are terrible, but location is very convenient for her.

 One big question I have is, what other presidents in the world are making
 an effort to allow US citizens more rights and access to their resources
 ?   Saudi Arabia ?  Tibet?  Syria ?  Puerto Rico ?
 ( just kidding on Puerto Rico )

 David Locklear

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