[Texascavers] Australia Is So Hot That Bats Are 'Boiling'

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https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/01/australian-heat-wave-flying-fox-deaths-koala-spd/


Lee Skinner

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Pentagon Seeks Laser-Powered Bat Drones

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Ken,


Note that I said "future".  Think miniaturization!   LiDARs already 
exist that can be carried by a walking caver.  Who knows what will be 
possible a couple of decades from now?



Lee


On 1/7/2018 6:28 PM, Ken Harrington wrote:
Lee, It would take very large passages as the laser beam that powers 
them would come from an aircraft flying above them.

Ken

Get Outlook for iOS 

*From:* swrcav...@googlegroups.com  on 
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*To:* New Mexico Cavers; Texas Cavers; Sandia Grotto
*Subject:* [SWR CAVERS] Pentagon Seeks Laser-Powered Bat Drones
If these can carry LiDAR, will it be the future of cave exploration? :-)

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/01/pentagon-seeks-laser-powered-bat-drones/144964/

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[Texascavers] Pentagon Seeks Laser-Powered Bat Drones

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If these can carry LiDAR, will it be the future of cave exploration? :-)

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/01/pentagon-seeks-laser-powered-bat-drones/144964/

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[Texascavers] Brief exposure to UV-light kills Pseudogymnoascus destructans

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Some new WNS news:


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/01/180102153209.htm


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[Texascavers] DARPA Subterranean Challenge

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Is this good or bad for caves ad cavers?


https://www.livescience.com/61278-darpa-wants-humans-to-navigate-underground.html#?utm_source=nbcuniversal_medium=syndication


https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/new-contest-aims-help-humans-navigate-subterranean-world-ncna833191?cid=eml_mach_20171228


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP6wTWiokVY


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Re: [Texascavers] Pelican cases

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Hi Charlie,


This is exactly why those cases are not allowed in Chiricahua Crystal Cave.


Regards,

Lee


On 12/27/2017 10:00 AM, texascavers-requ...@texascavers.com wrote:

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:04:43 -0600
From: Charles Loving<lovingi...@gmail.com>
To: Cavers Texas<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Pelican cases
Message-ID:
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So, a Pelican Case. Do I have to go to the coast to catch one and then How
do I make it get in the Pelican case. and why do we need to carry around
Pelicans?

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:


Amazon Deal of the Day today is Pelican cases in case anyone is interested.


https://is.gd/v5DKaH


Regards,

Lee


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[Texascavers] Pelican cases

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Amazon Deal of the Day today is Pelican cases in case anyone is interested.


https://is.gd/v5DKaH


Regards,

Lee

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[Texascavers] Ice age caves discovered underneath city of Montreal

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Pictures and full story at:


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42227846


and


http://www.cbc.ca/news/multimedia/explore-the-huge-secret-cave-that-lay-hidden-under-montreal-1.4431920


At the end of the last ice age, glaciers rapidly receded across Canada, 
putting so much pressure on the land below that solid rock split apart. 
Perhaps nowhere is that more evident than a newly discovered cave system 
some 20 feet below Montreal, Quebec. Suspecting that a cave beneath a 
Montreal park expanded wider and deeper than anyone knew, Luc Le Blanc 
and Daniel Caron of the Quebec Speleological Society dug through soft 
limestone in October and found the "incredible" chamber, per theCBC 
. 
On the other side was a network of caves stretching the length of two 
football fields. It was shaped roughly 10,000 years ago as rock was 
pulled apart by glaciers, evident in rock wall outcrops that would fit 
like puzzle pieces into those across the expanse, littered by 
stalactites and stalagmites formed over millennia.


As Le Blanc tells theBBC 
, it's "the kind of 
discovery you make once in a lifetime." But it wasn't without 
challenges. Once through the limestone ceiling of the network, Le Blanc 
and Caron traversed a rock wall and found themselves at the end of a 
sloping passageway halted by deep water. "The walls are perfectly 
vertical. It's just beautiful," Le Blanc says, per the CBC. "The walls 
just opened through the pressure of the glacier above about 15,000 years 
ago," he adds, though officials put the date at 10,000 years ago. Le 
Blanc and Caron have since used a boat to explore all but 50 yards of 
the cave network./National Geographic/ 
reports 
they're waiting until February, when the water table lowers, to explore 
it in full. That's something the public will also be able to do, once 
efforts are made to protect the stalactites and stalagmites, per the CBC.



Shrink
This 20-foot-high cave network has just been found beneath Montreal, 
Quebec.   (Quebec Speleological Society)



Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula reveals a cryptic methane-fueled ecosystem in flooded caves

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In the underground rivers and flooded caves of Mexico's Yucatan 
Peninsula, where Mayan lore described a fantastical underworld, 
scientists have found a cryptic world in its own right.



https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171128090945.htm


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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Has anyone got a copy of this cave book ?

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Jerry,


You can use Amazon's Look Inside feature to see some of the pages.  --Lee


On 11/21/2017 10:55 PM, 'Jerry' via Southwestern Cavers of the National 
Speleological Society wrote:



  Hypogene Karst Regions and Caves of the World , 1st ed. 2017 Edition

by Alexander Klimchouk 
 
(Editor),‎ Arthur N. Palmer 
 
(Editor),‎ Jo De Waele 
 
(Editor),‎ Augusto S. Auler 
 
(Editor),‎ Philippe Audra 
 
(Editor)


It's available from about $202 - $232 on Amazon.com, and there is a 
eBook edition that isn't much cheaper. I'd like to look at a copy 
before spending the money.


Jerry Atkinson.
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[Texascavers] Indiana University freshman found after surviving three days in a cave

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http://www.idsnews.com/article/2017/09/iu-freshman-found-after-surviving-three-days-in-a-cave


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[Texascavers] Vampire bats and cave lice

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A couple of weird cave biology articles:


What is for Dinner? First Report of Human Blood in the Diet of the 
Hairy-Legged Vampire Bat /Diphylla ecaudata/

*http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3161/15081109ACC2016.18.2.017*

*
*

Female Penis, Male Vagina, and Their Correlated Evolution in a Cave Insect
*http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982214003145

*(Neotrogla are found in dry cave systems throughout Brazil. They feed 
primarily on bat guano.)



These are two of the 2017 Ig Nobel Prize Winners.

Lee Skinner
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Re: [Texascavers] Dick Venters

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A long time dedicated and valuable caver with the NSS, SWR, FSCSP, CRF, 
Guadalupe Cave Survey and the Hilltop Project.  He leaves a great void 
and will be dearly missed.  I am glad to have known him and worked with 
him.   -Lee Skinner



On 9/10/2017 2:03 PM, John Corcoran III wrote:


All,

Dick Venters, long time New Mexico caver and good friend to many, 
passed away September 8^th,  2017 at 03:15 am in hospice care. 
According to Pat and Thomas Shipman, Dick’s sister and brother-in-law, 
Dick’s remains will be cremated and interred at the National cemetery 
in Santa Fe, New Mexico at a later date to be announced.


In lieu of  flowers, the family asks that donations be made to 
Alzheimer’s Research.


Regards,

John

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[Texascavers] Why do bats crash into smooth surfaces? They never ‘see’ them

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Good bat video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TPj1-luA84=27s


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[Texascavers] Fwd: FSCSP.ORG will be down for a few days at least

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 The fscsp.org website is hosted on a sever in Florida.  They have shut 
down the sever in anticipation of Hurricane Irma and the people there 
have probably shut down all power and evacuated from the area.  Pete 
Lindsley told me that Roger McClure says that the Cave Books website is 
also down as of yesterday and that it is hosted on the same server, 
along with several cave websites in Texas.



People can still order our book /12 Miles from Daylight/ through me, 
Pete Lindsley, Lynda  Sanchez or Steve Peerman, but not currently on the 
fscsp,org website.



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[Texascavers] Ruidoso News - Snowy River book will be sold at Fort Stanton LIVE!

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Good article in the Ruidoso News about our new cave book:

http://www.ruidosonews.com/story/news/local/2017/07/05/snowy-river-book-sold-fort-stanton-live/453916001/


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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] RE: BOG Agenda Item 6-Tell your BOG to Vote NO

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All,


I see no problem with people bringing their own beer to the convention, 
and if it saves the NSS over $7500, I think that's all the better.  
Thanks, William, for your reasonable explanation.



Lee Skinner



On 6/11/2017 8:48 PM, mcvittetoe via Southwestern Cavers of the National 
Speleological Society wrote:
OOPS, I messed up on that last email. I ment to say. To all of you 
booze hounds out there. I don't like paying more for conventions that 
use more of something that I do not use!!! I feel that if 
you want booze at the convention you should pay for it!


Marion Vittetoe said that.

In a message dated 6/11/2017 4:26:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
rckee...@cox.net writes:


Wm,

I am ashamed of you by trying to change the topic to “we’re so
poor”. *This is a Convention budgeting issue, not an NSS dictating
issue  … and especially after the BOG voted at the March meeting
that NSS Conventions must budget for a profit.*

The people at the Conventions are the movers and shakers of the
NSS.  These are the very people who have made caves and the NSS
their lives.  These are the people, who, after donating hundreds
of hours each year, and many, many dollars, want to enjoy talking
with their friends.

Everyone.  Let’s make this clearer.  The NSS is not poor and this
is our national Convention.  Go to the just published
Secretary-Treasurer report at
https://caves.org/nss-business/reports/1706/S-T-1706.pdf Go to
*Attachment A* which has all of the National Speleological
Foundation (NSF) funds.

*We have an Account Balance with the NSF of **$3,157,393.52**(as
of 3/31/2017)*.  That’s up $63,000 dollars over 3/2016, and this
is *after* $80,000 was taken out of the NSS Endowment Fund.

The first time I ever heard of law enforcement being called for a
fight at a Convention was 2011.  To bring this up as a reason is
truly offensive.

The main point is mandating to Convention staffs is yet another
reason why our NSS membership is going down.  Caving and
Conventions were fun when we started caving.

A BOG member needs to *amend the motion to remove the sentence*
“*No other alcoholic beverages will be provided.*“  A non-second
to the motion would be better.

I am not on the Texas Cavers list.  Could someone please forward
this response to them?

Thanks,

Ray Keeler

rckee...@cox.net 

623-523-1760

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*Subject:* RE: [NSSwest] BOG Agenda Item 6-Tell your BOG to Vote NO

Ray, Ernie, & everyone (including Texas Cavers, since I see RD
forwarded it there),

Ernie is correct – the beer budget alone would have been enough to
put several conventions in the black (instead of the red). That
said, I’m not opposed to beer (even though I don’t drink it myself).

The questions are:

-When is it “enough”? Should we just 30-35 kegs (more than OTR
purchases, and that is designated a “party event”, yet what was
being budgeted for in an upcoming convention) and have it every
night? I believe most would say “no, a couple of nights is more
than sufficient”.

-When a fight breaks out, and it has several times (to the point
of the police being called), are we responsible since we served
it? Different laws in different states/municipalities/campuses
make this a nightmare to avoid.

-The main point I have below is not that the NSS wants to ban beer
(we don’t), but that we will limit it to the alcoholic beverages
listed. There is a trend coming that wants to serve “hard liquor”,
and the entire EC of the NSS is opposed to this. Just as we don’t
object to the NSS buying beer & wine, we do object when it comes
down to liquor with much higher alcohol content. I’ll buy my own,
thank you.

-The cost of beer alone in a proposed Convention budget is $7,510.
This does not include wine at the NSS Awards Banquet, which is
another $2,475, for a total of $9,985. This amount has easily
broken Convention’s budgets all by itself. Part of 2018’s “cost
savings” is a proposed $200 pre-reg ($250 at the door)
registration, and if you want a guidebook that’s extra.

So yes, buy extra and truck around the leftovers the next day and
fill everyone’s pitchers – that’s a really great way to continue
to bleed your Society in a form we can’t control. If we don’t set
a limit, each new Convention points out the (often large) holes we
have in how to host a convention.

I would hope that everyone will instead encourage the Directors to
be 

Re: [Texascavers] a funny story

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Wow, David.


That is not funny.  I'm glad you got all those things with your memories 
back.  That would have really upset me.



Get those A.S.S. Newsletters into a sage archive ASAP.  Hope you;re 
feeling a lot better now.



(My email spellchecker just tried to turn texascavers into scavengers, 
so just added it to dictionary.)



Lee Skinner



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My estranged-wife hired a day-laborer today to clean out "our" garage and
did not tell me.

She threw away my very first real caving pack that had a TSA patch sewn to
it.   She threw away what may be the only know copies of A.S.S. Newsletters
from 1987.   My old Wheat-lamp from the 1987 era.  Several NSS magazines.

The worse damage was my rare family photos which should have never ended up
in the garage to begin with, and my old hard-drives that have all my old
digital personal memories and probably caving memories.

Plus, two electric twinkle-headlamps from the 90s.   And my toolbox with $
100 of tools.   And lots of stuff that some really poor person might want,
like my LP album of "The Rubberband Man."

But Oztotl came to the rescue.

And I managed to dig those items out of the garbage on the street curb.

I ran out of time and energy and may not have got everything.

I thought I had moved everything to my rental storage unit, except for my
2006 Suzuki Bergman 650 scooter and my 1999 Camry.

Someday when I am in a better frame of mind, I will put the details of the
entire story in a blog but it won't be a pretty story.

You can not imagine the peace of mind I get living in a motel.   I can
offer anyone a wonderful hot-shower if they are passing by, and a nice spot
on the floor to sleep.

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Coordinated hunting of bats among snakes

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On 5/26/2017 11:31 AM, Ray Keeler wrote:


Great! But can they be taught to survey?  ... but how would they hold the 
compass and light let alone sketch ... oh well.

-Original Message-
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Of Lee H. Skinner
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:34 AM
To: Texas Cavers; New Mexico Cavers
Subject: [SWR CAVERS] Coordinated hunting of bats among snakes

Cuban boas apparently coordinate the hunt:


http://gizmodo.com/coordinated-boa-attacks-are-a-horror-you-didn-t-know-ex-1795540299


Lee Skinner
No, but they can be used instead of tape when stretched out.   Five 
6-foot snakes (carried in a pail) can be used to measure up to thirty 
feet and can be an integral part of a Cuban cave survey team. The snakes 
have stripes at exactly one inch intervals. Snakes bred for 
high-intensity bio-luminescence make reading the stripes easier.  
However, after the measurement is made, the snakes tend to disperse in 
search of bats, requiring the entire survey team to round them up.


Lee
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[Texascavers] Coordinated hunting of bats among snakes

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Cuban boas apparently coordinate the hunt:


http://gizmodo.com/coordinated-boa-attacks-are-a-horror-you-didn-t-know-ex-1795540299


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[Texascavers] How to photograph a cave

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From the National Geographic website today:


http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/02/how-to-photograph-a-cave/


Lee skinner

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[Texascavers] Naica mine's Cave of Crystals has life

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Penelope Boston reports on creatures living in the Naica Cave of 
Crystals in National Geographic:



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/02/crystal-caves-mine-microbes-mexico-boston-aaas-aliens-science/


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[Texascavers] about Mount Fuji's lava caves

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This article uses a public domain photo of a decorated limestone cave, 
nut the article refers to lava tubes!



http://bit.ly/2iF7CIW


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Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)

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On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote:

That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an old 
caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might not) 
make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems to 
have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon


I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater?


Lee

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[Texascavers] Moon's lava tubes could be up to 5 km wide

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

BIG rooms!


https://www.sciencenews.org/article/moon%E2%80%99s-lava-tubes-could-be-colossal?tgt=nr


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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver Memorial Web Page

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

David,

I'm sure we all still miss Joel Tom Meador's hearty handshakes!

What are the details of A. Richard Smith being gunned down?? I had not 
heard about this.


Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] Astronauts Embark on a Training Mission Deep Beneath the Earth

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Great photo from National Geographic:


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/astronaut-cave-training-photo/


Lee Skinner

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Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9

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Goodbye, Frank (but probably you won't see this as you've unsubscribed).

I read this list in digest form only, so I don't have to delete 
individual posts.  The convenient topic list at the beginning lets me 
decide which posts to read, and I get it only once a day.  So you might 
consider getting the list in digest form - much more time efficient, 
although some posts will be a few hours old.


I will never join Facebook (Hi Facebook, I know you're reading this and 
every other aspect of my life), so I use mail lists to keep up to date.


Lee H. Skinner (former Texas caver now in New Mexico)
NSS 4807FL


Message: 19
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 22:01:59 -0700
From: Frank Binney via Texascavers
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Adios TexasCavers List
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I¹m unsubscribing from the Texas Cavers list and offer some parting
thoughts:

€ I¹ve really appreciated all the time, effort, and dollars‹often
unsung‹that Charles Goldsmith has put into keeping the list up and running
all these many years. It¹s a real service to the caving community and I¹m
amazed the list self-moderates as well as it does.

€ My personal challenge is that I subscribe to a number of email lists; some
work-related, others community-related or special interest-related (caving,
birding, etc.). When someone on one of the lists starts over-posting
off-topic emails, I have to weight the time cost and hassle of constantly
deleting those posts against the value of staying subscribed.

€ At one time the TexasCavers list provided the most convenient and timely
way‹if not the only way--to stay in touch with far-flung Texas caving
friends and find out about recent discoveries and upcoming events. Now
social media‹in particular Facebook‹fulfills many of these needs. So I¹ll
stay in touch with many of you via the various caving-related Facebook
pages, and for those of you not on Facebook we can hopefully catch up in
person at TCR or the NSS Convention.

€David Locklear has written some very entertaining posts over the years.
I¹ve especially enjoyed the accounts of his Quixotic attempts to reach
distant caving events or of his memories of caver encounters back in the
day. Many of his more frequent posts, however, seem better suited to a
personal Facebook feed or a non-caving listserv.

Look forward to seeing many of you later this month in Ely, or in October at
Paradise Canyon,
Frank

Frank Binney
NSS 10816 Fellow
i...@frankbinney.com



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[Texascavers] Rare Blind Catfish Found in US for First Time

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 Translucent Blind Catfish Found In Texas Cave

The Mexican blindcat, a species that grows to no more than 3 inches in 
length, is known to dwell only in areas supported by the Edwards-Trinity 
Aquifer that underlies the Rio Grande basin in Texas and Coahuila. The 
new blindcat finding lends additional weight to a theory that 
water-filled caves below the Rio Grande may connect the Texas and Mexico 
portions of the aquifer. Click on any of the links below for details.



http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-06/uota-rbc061716.php


http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/06/17/translucent-blind-catfish-found-in-texas-cave/


http://www.newser.com/story/226844/rare-blind-catfish-found-in-us-for-first-time.html


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[Texascavers] Rescue over in Hidden River Cave, Kentucky

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Group escapes Kentucky cave through neck-deep water
By CLAIRE GALOFARO and BRUCE SCHREINER, Associated Press
May 26, 2016 8:23 PM CDT
Shrink
Officials stand on the scene after over a dozen people who exploring 
Hidden River Cave were trapped by rising water Thursday, May 26, 2016, 
in Horse Cave, Ky. Horse Cave Fire Chief Donnie Parker said the rising 
water was caused by heavy rains in the area Thursday afternoon. (Austin 
Anthony/Daily News...  (Associated Press)

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HORSE CAVE, Ky. (AP) — Flash flooding threatened to trap a group of 
college students inside a Kentucky cave Thursday, but they navigated 
through neck-deep water to safety, authorities said.


The 19 people who escaped had to clutch onto a rope to handle the swift 
currents of floodwaters near the entrance of Hidden River Cave.


The group that spent more than six hours inside the cave included 
Clemson University students on a field trip, four tour guides and two 
police officers who got trapped when they tried to rescue the group, 
Kentucky State Police Trooper B.J. Eaton said.


There was no communication between the stranded cavers and the more than 
150 emergency personnel at the scene. Authorities didn't know exactly 
where the missing cavers were underground, and the only light the group 
had came from headlamps they wore.


The cavers, accompanied by a couple of experienced guides, were unaware 
of the rising waters threatening to block the cave's entrance. Heavy 
rains hit the area hours after the group ventured inside, said David 
Foster, executive director of the American Cave Museum at Horse Cave.


The storm hit earlier than expected, so Foster and a couple of others 
decided to find the group and bring them back out, he said.


"It was pretty scary," he said in an interview. "We felt like if we 
waited for them to just come out on their own, the flood might be too 
intense and they might be trapped there."


Foster said his rescue team ventured about a mile into the cave, where 
they found the group in a "high and dry" area.


With only one way in and out of the cave, they needed to reach the group 
before a wall of water might shut off the escape route.


"The whole time we're back there in the cave, we're thinking, 'Gosh, I 
hope the water hasn't closed us off,'" Foster said. "That's the scary 
thought as you're going deeper into the cave."


The final stretch was the most precarious, when they had to wade and 
swim through high water, Foster said.


At one point, a canyon filled with water, and the group used an escape 
route built for such emergencies, he said.


"That was a lifesaver today," he said.

They held onto the rope during the final stretch to make their way 
through the water.


"When they came out of the cave, they were neck-deep in water," Hart 
County Emergency Management Director Kerry McDaniel said.


The cave is in south-central Kentucky's karst region, where many of 
state's longest and deepest caves run underground.


The Clemson students had planned a five-hour trip exploring the cave's 
geology when torrential rains hit the region after they entered, 
McDaniel said. The group went into the cave about 10 a.m. CDT Thursday 
and emerged about 4:30 p.m. They were checked for hypothermia but 
declined further medical attention, McDaniel said.


Four other people were able to escape earlier, Horse Cave Fire Chief 
Donnie Parker said. He didn't have details about how they got out.


Two Horse Cave police officers who became trapped had entered the cave 
about 3 p.m. in an effort to make contact with the stranded group, 
authorities said. They were met by the four people who had managed to 
escape.


"We looked at this from the beginning and hoped it was a search rather 
than a recovery operation," McDaniel said.


The attraction's website offers to take visitors through one of 
Kentucky's largest caves and says two subterranean rivers flow more than 
100 feet below ground. In addition to public guided tours and longer 
adventure tours, a zip line and rappelling are also offered.


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Schreiner reported from Louisville, Kentucky. Beth Campbell in 
Louisville contributed to this report.


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[Texascavers] Large ears on the brown long-eared bats create lift

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Large ears on the brown long-eared bats (/Plecotus auritus/) work much 
in the same way airplane wings do – they create lift:


http://www.gizmag.com/bat-ears-drone-design/43148/

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[Texascavers] Vote for your favorite cave

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Only 20 caves to vote on, Karchner is currently leading according to 
KGGM-TV 13, but there are New Mexico and Texas caves on the list.


Vote for your favorite commercial cave on USA Today's website:

http://www.10best.com/awards/travel/best-cave/

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[Texascavers] Excellent cave video

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

 Deep Under the Earth's Surface, Discovering Beauty and Science |
 Francesco Sauro | TED Talks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYFH0D-jyqc

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[Texascavers] World's largest cave pictures

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Great pictures:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/12/26/son-doong_n_3873341.html

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[Texascavers] 16 great bat pictures

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

A new National Geographic gallery of bat photos:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/pictures/141030-bats-halloween-vampires-blood/

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[Texascavers] The Perilous and Gorgeous World of Cave Photography

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Great cave pictures from Wired magazine:

http://wrd.cm/1O5HaSL

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Re: [Texascavers] Huge explosion in China

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Just heard on the news that the huge explosion in China may have been caused 
by the firefighter hosing down containers full of calcium carbide.
What could possible go wrong with that!!!
Is that why the large crater there is shaped like a Justrite parabolic 
reflector?


Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] Photo gallery of Xe Bang Fai River Cave in Laos

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Great photos of the Xe Bang Fai River Cave in central Laos:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/river-cave-laos_55a90f28e4b04740a3dfad9c?

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[Texascavers] What Do Florida and a Comet Have in Common? Sinkholes

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150701-comet-space-rosetta-mission-sinkhole-space-science/

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[Texascavers] Meet Hades, the Centipede troglodyte from Hell

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

http://www.livescience.com/51391-hades-centipede-discovered.html?cmpid=NL_OAP_weekly_2015-06-30

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[Texascavers] Karst on Titan

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Karst areas with sinkholes have been found on Saturn's moon Titan. See:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150620213329.htm

Anyone care to speculate what the underlying bedrock and caves would be 
like? :-)


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[Texascavers] Urban lights bad for bats

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Bats just don't seem to be able to catch a break.

The nocturnal creatures are facing all sorts of potentially lethal 
threats, from climate change 
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/climate-change-will-affect-ultrasonic-bat-signals/ 
and habitat loss http://www.bats.org.uk/pages/threats_to_bats.html to 
white nose syndrome 
http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/disease_information/white-nose_syndrome/ to 
the spinning blades of wind turbines 
https://www.fort.usgs.gov/science-feature/96. And an alarming new 
study http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./gcb.12884/fullshines 
a light on another threat to bats--the light pollution in our cities.


Read 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/bats-light-bad-news_n_7521274.html?ir=Sciencencid=newsltushpmg0003 
orhttp://tinyurl.com/qge4r25


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[Texascavers] More about WNS breakthrough

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From National Geographic:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/05/150527-bats-white-nose-syndrome-treatment-conservation-animals-science/ 
orhttp://tinyurl.com/p5voq69


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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] A new Hope in the Battle Against WNS

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On 5/26/2015 10:11 AM, DONALD G. DAVIS wrote:

It's not clear from the articles how the fungus inhibition works
without the microbes making direct contact with the fungi.  Presumably
they must give off some volatile chemical that can move through the air.

--Donald


Here is more from the Nature Conservancy:

http://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/northamerica/unitedstates/tennessee/newsroom/bats-successfully-treated-for-white-nose-syndrome-released-back-into-the-wil.xml 
or   http://tinyurl.com/kqtsfbd


and

http://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/regions/northamerica/unitedstates/tennessee/success-in-treating-white-nose-syndrome.xml 
or   http://tinyurl.com/mleq7s8


but nothing is said about how they'll use this knowledge to produce and 
implement a plan save all the bat colonies.


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[Texascavers] Four giant sinkholes found on bottom of Swiss Lake

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

More international cave/karst news:

http://www.livescience.com/50890-craters-discovered-in-lake-neuchatel.html?cmpid=NL_OAP_weekly_2015-05-21

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[Texascavers] Digital tour of Son Doong cave cave

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Another article on the magnificent Vietnam cave:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/05/150520-infinity-cave-son-doong-vietnam-virtual-tour-photography-conservation/

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[Texascavers] A bat's worse nightmare

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This poor Miniopterus bat caught during the biodiversity survey of 
Gorongosa National Park https://www.facebook.com/gorongosa has to 
endure living with a wingless blood-sucking fly Penicillidia, which 
never leaves its body and loves to hang out on the top of its head.


Short article at: http://tinyurl.com/lmmwhsw

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[Texascavers] New Wind Turbine is safer for bats

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Good news about a new type of wind turbines that are cheaper and safer 
for birds and bats as they have no rotating blades to fly into:


http://www.wired.com/2015/05/future-wind-turbines-no-blades/

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] What Oregon does with lava tubes!

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Louise,

Here are a couple of videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpRRkXnRc0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4KI_LLVnU4

Lee Skinner


On 5/7/2015 9:43 AM, Louise Power wrote:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregons-mysterious-disappearing-lake-explained/ar-BBjiNwB 






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[Texascavers] Fwd: The World's 16 Most Incredible Sea Caves | Thrillist

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

And Doug (Diego) Rhodes sent me this article:

Hi Lee, since you seem to be the distributor/collector or whatever of 
cave-related tidbits, here is one for you


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thrillist/the-worlds-16-most-incred_b_7205900.html?ir=Travelncid=newsltushpmg0003 



Oh to go caving again, just one last time---doug

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[Texascavers] New understanding of bat wings could lead to advances in aviation

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Various takes on the study:

http://www.cell.com/cell-reports/abstract/S2211-1247%2815%2900376-9

http://www.gizmag.com/bat-wing-touch-receptors/37305/

http://newsroom.cumc.columbia.edu/blog/2015/04/30/flying-with-brains-how-studying-bat-flight-could-help-build-better-planes/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFkcUtpa9hI

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[Texascavers] Amazing wall-climbing catfish found deep in Ecuadorean cave

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Chuck Carrara sent me this one:

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lifestyle/2015/05/05/amazing-wall-climbing-catfish-found-deep-in-ecuadorean-cave/

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[Texascavers] Scientists identify tissue-degrading enzyme in white-nose syndrome

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Scientists have figured out the likely way that white-nose syndrome 
breaks down tissue in bats, opening the door to potential treatments for 
a disease that has killed more than six million bats since 2006 and 
poses a threat to the agricultural industry.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150504154956.htm

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Re: [Texascavers] Scientists identify tissue-degrading enzyme in white-nose syndrome

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Damned email auto completion

I sent the previous message to Sandia Vision Clinic instead of Sandia 
Grotto.  If you reply, please remove it.


Lee Skinner


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[Texascavers] Keen sense of touch allows bats to fly with breathtaking precision

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Bats fly with breathtaking precision because their wings are equipped 
with highly sensitive touch sensors, cells that respond to even slight 
changes in airflow:


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150430124103.htm

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] Huge Lava Tubes Could Exist on the Moon

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Here's another article on the possibility of underground lunar settlements:

http://www.gizmag.com/lunar-lava-tubes/36639/

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[Texascavers] Huge Lava Tubes Could Exist on the Moon

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

How would one survey such a cave?  What types of light would you use? :-)

http://spaceref.com/moon/huge-lava-tubes-could-exist-on-the-moon.html

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] New views of Hang Son Doong

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Louise,


This is really amazing. I want to locate to whole video.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/drone-flies-inside-worlds-largest-cave/vi-BBil6Ft


Here's a drone flying in an Indiana cave:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03OtHQpUdb0

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[Texascavers] Bats are surprisingly fast decision makers

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

News about bats:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150318130737.htm

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[Texascavers] Bat Cave, Florida

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

I really enjoyed seeing the video of Bat Cave, Florida.  Thanks, Bill.

This was the first wild cave I ever visited when I started caving in 
1957.  The entrance was in a clump of trees in the middle of a farmer's 
field, and it now appears to be in a park.  Bat Cave was completely 
wild, and we entered it via a cable ladder.  It seems like everyone used 
cable ladders back in those days, as drops into Florida caves were 
rarely over 30 to 50 feet.  But seeing the inside of the cave bought me 
back memories of my first caving trip.  We often found Florida caves 
back then by looking for small clumps of trees in farmer's fields.


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[Texascavers] Underground bike park in Kentucky's Mega Cavern

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In a limestone mine: Phase 1 of 3 will have over 5 miles of bike trails.

http://grist.org/list/this-new-underground-bike-park-totally-rules/

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[Texascavers] Batzenjammer pranks

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Mexican free-tailed bat makes the interference call when another bat of 
the same species is closing in on dinner.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/11/141106-bats-science-animals-echolocation-prey/

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[Texascavers] 6.6 mile cable car planned for Han Son Doong cave in Vietnam

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

This cave has the world's largest borehole passage.

http://www.gizmag.com/cable-car-planned-for-worlds-largest-cave/34476/

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Re: [Texascavers] New Fort Stanton Cave Calendar is ready

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

In answer to a couple of questions I received: Checks should be made 
payable  to FSCSP, and yes,the calendar does contain an updated map 
showing all 31.3 miles.  A majority of the photos show discoveries made 
during 2014 expeditions.-Lee Skinner


The 2015 Fort Stanton Cave Study Project calendars have been printed 
and are gorgeous, and they are going fast.  If you want a copy, please 
send your check and mailing address to Pete Lindsley, FSCSP Treasurer, 
1 Whispering Winds Trail, Placitas, NM 87043. Prices are: $10/1; 
$25/3; $40/5, or $8 each after you buy 5. Shipping and handling is 
$3.00 for 1 calendar via media mail, and $1 extra for each additional 
calendar.






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[Texascavers] New Fort Stanton Cave Calendar is ready

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

The 2015 Fort Stanton Cave Study Project calendars have been printed and 
are gorgeous, and they are going fast.  If you want a copy, please send 
your check and mailing address to Pete Lindsley, FSCSP Treasurer, 1 
Whispering Winds Trail, Placitas, NM 87043. Prices are: $10/1; $25/3; 
$40/5, or $8 each after you buy 5. Shipping and handling is $3.00 for 1 
calendar via media mail, and $1 extra for each additional calendar.
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[Texascavers] Cave Collector in Minnesota Hunts for Additions to His Empire

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From the New York Times: http://tinyurl.com/ko4jm2v

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[Texascavers] To Bats, Trees and Turbines Are One in the Same

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Why hundreds of thousands of bats are killed each year by wind turbines:

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/9249/20140930/to-bats-trees-and-turbines-are-one-in-the-same.htm

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[Texascavers] China's “Supercave” Takes Title as World's Most Enormous Cavern

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

From National Geographic, a new record for world's biggest cave 
chamber.  And it's in China:


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/09/140927-largest-cave-china-exploration-science/

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Underwater Explorer Jill Heinerth Dives Inside Icebergs

[Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers]

Chuck Carrara sent me this link about cave diving:

http://www.redbull.com/us/en/adventure/stories/1331653023922/this-underwater-explorer-dives-inside-icebergs


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[Texascavers] Lincoln County's Fort Stanton Cave surpasses Carlsbad in length

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From the Ruidoso News:  http://tinyurl.com/m89xeot

Actually the cave has 31.35 miles mapped, and is now in 62nd place in 
the world.


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[Texascavers] New discovery: Microbes create dripstones

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140818095033.htm
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