Re: [Texascavers] Spanish 103

2017-12-29 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Good one Bockbeer!

Nico

El 29 dic. 2017 6:05 PM, "David via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> I have not learned any new Spanish in over a year.
>
> Next time you are in a Mexican restaurant, and the waiter first ask you
> what you want to drink say,
>
> "El coctel Monterrey, por favor,"
>  or with a group,
> "unos cocteles Monterrey, por favor."
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican vehicle permit related

2017-11-25 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
I live less than 2 miles from Potrero chico, the pools are closed for the
season.

El 25 nov. 2017 11:09 AM, "Cathy Winfrey via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Swimming within 100 miles of Bustamante: Portrero Chico. Should be on the
> web--- climbers love the limestone there. All the pools may not have water
> in them. Should check.
>
> On Nov 19, 2017 8:27 PM, "David via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> From David Locklear
>> Hit delete button now, please.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am posting this here because someone might have had some vague
>> intangible interest.
>>
>>
>> This post is only for U.S.A. people wanting to drive their car deep into
>> Mexici, and who do not live near a bordertown, nor want to have vehicle
>> importation problems at the "aduana" slow down their trip.
>>
>>
>> In Houston, in order to get a "vehicle" permit it is a huge hassle.
>>
>> But before I get to that, you first need to have a car title, or an
>> official letter from the leinholder.   It is helpful if that is a credit
>> union, and that process of getting them to provide such a letter for the
>> first time takes about 24 hours.  They will not give you the letter unless
>> you first purchase Mexico insurance.   That really sucks, because you are
>> throwing all that time and money down the toilet, if you change travel
>> plans.
>>
>> So once you have all that, here is what I had to do:
>>
>> Step 1:call Mexico long-distance and apply over the phone for a
>> formal interview appointment.
>>
>> # 011-52-55-5626-0500 <+52%2055%205626%200500>
>>
>> You get a complicated voice menu and you enter a 4-digit extension.
>>
>> This has to be done at least 24 hours in advance.
>>
>> The operator will tell you which appointment slots are available with the
>> Mexican Consulate Office in the mid-town area of Houston
>> ( Hwy 59 and Fannin St. ).
>>
>> Step 2:   Then you have to drive there the following weekday ( or later)
>> arriving exactly 5 minutes before the appointment.  You stand in a
>> complicated line outside on Caroline St. ( very reminiscent of the movie
>> "Soylent Green," waiting for your Soylent Green ration. )  you feel there
>> like you are no longer in the USA, nor even in the 21st Century.
>>
>> You have to be careful here for pickpockets and scammers and muggers from
>> your parking spot to the line.  There is one security guard at the main
>> pedestrian gate which is the only way to enter.
>>
>> Once in line, you do a bizarre childish ritual of musical chairs for an
>> hour with some scary looking guys that resemble Enrique Penya Nieto.  In my
>> case, there was a super gorgeous lady sitting next to me and so I gave her
>> my number and asked her to please forward it to her younger sister who she
>> said was single in Mexico.  While in line they pull you out for 5 minutes
>> for an interview with person of low IQ.  You have to formally declare your
>> religion to them, along with other bizarre questions.
>>
>> Fortunately, I read the fine print of my initial interview form while
>> sitting in the line, because the clerk typed that I was from Aruba.
>>
>> At the end of the line - the window ( Banjercito ), you begin the vehicle
>> stuff.   It is chaotic - 2 clerks and 2 tourist using the same window.
>> There are no holes in the window for speaking, so you have to yell and
>> listen carefully. You want to say to yourself, WTF !Nothing is
>> logical.   All they ever asked for was a copy of the Texas Vehicle
>> Registration paper that you get when you apply for a state registration
>> window sticker.  I do not recall seeing them look at the credit union
>> letter, nor my insurance.   But I would not have done all that without
>> first assuring myself that I could get my credit union permission.
>>
>> Then you hand them a credit card, and they charge $ 470.   The $ 400 part
>> is a deposit, and there are more bizarre questions, the rest is a standard
>> processing fee.They did not ask about my former vehicle papers, but it
>> has been 13 years.
>> I assume I get the deposit back in July ??   I have never ever done
>> anything that stupid, that I recall.
>>
>>
>>
>> In addition to all that,
>>
>> in my case, I also spent money on gas driving there, as I do not live in
>> Harris County, and also paying to park in a place my car could have easily
>> been broken into.
>>
>> I will say, that after leaving the Consulate Office with the permit in
>> hand that it gives one a warm fuzzy feeling - until you receive the text
>> message your charge card was hit with $ 470.
>>
>> My permit is good until May 19th, and my credit union says they will
>> amend the letter next time I want to go again.AAA clerk said that that
>> was too much of a hassle and hope I don't have to do that insurance again.
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as other expenses getting ready for a road-trip, so far
>>
>> All I did to the Sequoia was change the oil, but Jiffy Lube charged $
>> 112.  I didn't have time

Re: [Texascavers] The speleo-blues

2017-11-24 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
David,

You mentioned 88 hrs of freedom.. Im pretty sure you'll spend a good 20
of'em waiting in line at the border both ways. I wouldnt even try, but
thats just me.

Nico

El 23 nov. 2017 12:05 AM, "Jenny Holt via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Yes-we all have! You make everything harder than it needs to be & you
> can't afford it anyway so why do you try so hard?  There are sooo many
> other, safer, and closer road trips you could do. Come to Dripping Springs
> & spend TG with Fritz, June, me & others-you're welcome. No drama, easy
> peasy! Take the logical trip.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:08 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> >
> > From David Locklear
> >
> > Have you ever had to back out of trip at the last minute after you put
> your heart and soul into making trip preparations ?
> >
> > I call it the speleo-blues.  Or in this case, just the road-trip-blues.
> >
> > It is Wednesday night. 10 p.m., and my 4x4 vehicle is packed ready to
> pull out of the driveway prepped for an adventure into lower parts of The
> Sierra Madres.  The ice chest is already loaded and packed.  I just have a
> cot and some blankets and my boots.  I am ready to to see shooting stars
> fly across The Milky Way.
> >
> > I have 4 new all-terrain tires installed and balanced and locked to my
> new junk-yard 18 inch steel rims with lug nut locks.  I have test-driven
> the new tires 40 miles.  That project ended up costing $ 700.
> >
> > Meanwhile, my beloved wife arrived safely at the house that she owns in
> Monterrey, Mexico all by herself about an hour ago.
> >
> > I am now in Arcola at home, sitting on the couch, realizing the reality
> that I need to blow off the road-trip and hunker down.  I am free as a bird
> for the next 88 hours.  In my younger days, I would be passing thru Nuevo
> Laredo Mexico by 5 a.m.  But the wiser old geezer cumurdgeon in me warns me
> of the realities if things do not go as planned.  Even just a few months
> ago, I would have said to myself "ah, to H*'ll with it all, and just drove
> off blindly into the wind."
> > But not this time, the realties of life have beaten me down to be more
> cautious.  There are just way too many logistical 'what-if" scenarios to
> pull out of the driveway.  For example, what if I can not get my daughter
> home on time ?  She is in Arlington and has to be in Arcola Sunday night.
> >
> > As far as trip alternatives,
> >
> > I would like to watch the launch of the Flat-Earth Research Rocket on
> Saturday.  I have only been to the Mojave Desert once.  Watch that live
> on-line if you can.
> >
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Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip final report

2017-06-22 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
They not only look, they in fact are wimpy, I see them doubles loaded with
80 and up to 90 tons net not gross, of gravel and aggregate.

El jun. 22, 2017 2:56 PM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Yeah... I knew it was a tool of some kind. Tons of trucks at the truck
> stop in Matehuala and at the SLP turn off. The doble trailers make the U.S.
> ones look whimpy.
>
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Pistola=gun.. in this particular case they're referring to a pneumatic
>> impact wrench.
>>
>> El jun. 22, 2017 6:46 AM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>>
>>> The adventures of Señor Bockbeer. Amazing indeed. Somehow I never
>>> encounter such travils in my travels. Two weeks in Mexico without any
>>> encounters with the dark side. And using rental cars keeps me out of the
>>> Vulcanazadore con pistola. What pistoa is I have no clue?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:54 PM, David via Texascavers <
>>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is 11 p.m. on Tuesday, and we are 65 miles west of Wichita Falls,
>>>> Texas, almost to the town of Vernon on Hwy. 287.
>>>>
>>>> It will be difficult to make it to Decatur, tonight.   My chauffeur is
>>>> burned-out, and he does not want me to drive.  I have been slightly
>>>> car-sick since leaving Albuquerque, partly due to the bald lumpy tires on
>>>> ***hat's truck.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt I will head to a Houston tomorrow evening, as Tropical Storm
>>>> Cindy is currently forecasted to potentially drop lots of rain there.
>>>>
>>>> So unless ***hat kicks me out of the truck on the side of the road in
>>>> the next 3 hours, this should be my final trip report.  The odds of him
>>>> doing that are about 62 %, as he has nick-named me "D***weed."
>>>>
>>>> So,
>>>>
>>>> "The Adventures of ***hat and D***weed," will soon be coming to an end.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is a pit-stop photo.
>>>>
>>>> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip final report

2017-06-22 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Pistola=gun.. in this particular case they're referring to a pneumatic
impact wrench.

El jun. 22, 2017 6:46 AM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> The adventures of Señor Bockbeer. Amazing indeed. Somehow I never
> encounter such travils in my travels. Two weeks in Mexico without any
> encounters with the dark side. And using rental cars keeps me out of the
> Vulcanazadore con pistola. What pistoa is I have no clue?
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:54 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> It is 11 p.m. on Tuesday, and we are 65 miles west of Wichita Falls,
>> Texas, almost to the town of Vernon on Hwy. 287.
>>
>> It will be difficult to make it to Decatur, tonight.   My chauffeur is
>> burned-out, and he does not want me to drive.  I have been slightly
>> car-sick since leaving Albuquerque, partly due to the bald lumpy tires on
>> ***hat's truck.
>>
>> I doubt I will head to a Houston tomorrow evening, as Tropical Storm
>> Cindy is currently forecasted to potentially drop lots of rain there.
>>
>> So unless ***hat kicks me out of the truck on the side of the road in the
>> next 3 hours, this should be my final trip report.  The odds of him doing
>> that are about 62 %, as he has nick-named me "D***weed."
>>
>> So,
>>
>> "The Adventures of ***hat and D***weed," will soon be coming to an end.
>>
>>
>> Here is a pit-stop photo.
>>
>> David Locklear
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

2016-10-11 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Es el trabajo de cualquier director de turismo municipal darle la
bienvenida a cualquier grupo grande de personas que llegue de visita..
Dos.. si hubo cobertura de medios, medios chicos y regionales pero al fin
lo cubrieron, tu conoces de periodismo, las notas de pueblo no aparecen a
nivel nacional.
http://laprensademonclova.com/portal/2016/06/11/dan-positivo-25-excursionistas-a-la-histoplasmosis/
tres.. tus numero de personas esta inflado, la nota de la prensa de
monclova dice 90 y la mitad presenta sintomas..
cuatro.. como siempre el gobierno buscando tirar el dinero a modo, con
semejante numero de casos de la enfermedad en lugar de andar pagando
estudios para confirmar la presencia del hongo debieron usar ese dinero
para cerrar la cueva..

con cada cosa que respondes confirmas mas lo que estoy diciendo, quien es
el chistoso ahora?

El oct. 11, 2016 12:42 AM, "Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC. via
Texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Que chistoso eres Nico, cuando tú te preocupas por las tajadas económicas
> y los políticos, cuando la gente local dice que lo que pasa en la cueva son
> puros cuentos... nosotros nos preocupamos porque no haya más gente enferma,
> en marzo del presente año,  el presidente municipal y director de turismo
> municipal de Candela le dieron la bienvenida con bombo y platillo a 150
> niños scouts que invitaron a entrar a la cueva.
>
> 150 niños entraron a la cueva con dos guías, todos al mismo tiempo, todos
> fueron expuestos, todos enfermaron, dos niños de gravedad entre ellos el
> hijo de un amigo que se debate entre la vida y la muerte. Pero eso no lo
> comentan, en los medios solo hablan de 60 u 70 niños que entraron a una
> cueva en Rosita.
>
>
> Si en mis manos está ayudar, lo haré con trabajo profesional como todo
> espeleólogo investigador.
>
>
> Saludos
>
>
> Moni
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> El 10 de octubre de 2016, 22:31, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>
>> Nada nuevo bajo el sol, el gobierno despilfarrando el dinero de los
>> contribuyentes en tonterías, seguro dpi tiene sus conexiones en la
>> administracion y se llevo su lanita, y de paso los que realizaron el
>> estudio tambien alcanzan tajada.. encima de eso publican resultados en
>> cuanto boletin se los permite cual si fueran hallazgos nuevos, todo por
>> obtener notoriedad e inflar sus egos.
>>
>> Nothing new under the sun, the government squanders taxpayer's money on
>> bs, surely dpi has conections inside the administration and they got their
>> share, plus the people who performed the study got their cut as well.. on
>> top of that they publish results on whatever newsletter/publication will
>> allow them to, as if these were new discoveries, all to be renowned and
>> inflate their own egos.
>>
>> El oct. 10, 2016 8:58 PM, "Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC. via
>> Texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Estimado Nico Escamilla,
>>>
>>> Este estudio, fue solicitado por la empresa Desarrollo de Proyectos
>>> Integrales,  para demostrarle a la Secretaria del Gobierno del Estado de
>>> Coahuila especificamente a la Secretaria de Turismo, que la Cueva presenta
>>> Histoplasmosis, a pesar de haberles proporcionado el articulo de Gill
>>> Ediger, las recomendaciones de George Veni ,y demas antecedentes que
>>> logramos recuperar de todos los que han visitado la cueva con anterioridad
>>> en el foro de Texas Caver, la Secretaria siguió con la encomienda de hacer
>>> la Cueva un lugar apto para toda la familia ,... en efecto y como dices
>>> siempre se ha sabido que la cueva tiene histoplasmosis.
>>>
>>> Sin embargo, para acallar todo mal entendido y con pruebas, se nos
>>> contrato para realizar este estudio avalado por un laboratorio en este caso
>>> en la Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo Leon y por la asociación que
>>> represento, y de una vez por todo acallar la boca de aquellas personas que
>>> no entienden que la cueva NO DEBE SER TURISTICA.
>>>
>>> Y según las coordenadas del GPS y corroboradas con la misma empresa DPI
>>> y  nuestros instrumentos, la entrada de la cueva es en territorio de Nuevo
>>> León zona federal limites del estado  en colindancia con Coahuila, aún y
>>> cuando el terreno contiguo a la cueva es Coahuila.
>>>
>>> Me pareció importante mencionarte estos datos porque aúnque consideres
>>> que no valen la pena para tí, para la nosotros es muy importante haberles
>>> demostrado que la cueva en definitiva no debe ser promocionada por

Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

2016-10-10 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Nada nuevo bajo el sol, el gobierno despilfarrando el dinero de los
contribuyentes en tonterías, seguro dpi tiene sus conexiones en la
administracion y se llevo su lanita, y de paso los que realizaron el
estudio tambien alcanzan tajada.. encima de eso publican resultados en
cuanto boletin se los permite cual si fueran hallazgos nuevos, todo por
obtener notoriedad e inflar sus egos.

Nothing new under the sun, the government squanders taxpayer's money on bs,
surely dpi has conections inside the administration and they got their
share, plus the people who performed the study got their cut as well.. on
top of that they publish results on whatever newsletter/publication will
allow them to, as if these were new discoveries, all to be renowned and
inflate their own egos.

El oct. 10, 2016 8:58 PM, "Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC. via
Texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Estimado Nico Escamilla,
>
> Este estudio, fue solicitado por la empresa Desarrollo de Proyectos
> Integrales,  para demostrarle a la Secretaria del Gobierno del Estado de
> Coahuila especificamente a la Secretaria de Turismo, que la Cueva presenta
> Histoplasmosis, a pesar de haberles proporcionado el articulo de Gill
> Ediger, las recomendaciones de George Veni ,y demas antecedentes que
> logramos recuperar de todos los que han visitado la cueva con anterioridad
> en el foro de Texas Caver, la Secretaria siguió con la encomienda de hacer
> la Cueva un lugar apto para toda la familia ,... en efecto y como dices
> siempre se ha sabido que la cueva tiene histoplasmosis.
>
> Sin embargo, para acallar todo mal entendido y con pruebas, se nos
> contrato para realizar este estudio avalado por un laboratorio en este caso
> en la Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo Leon y por la asociación que
> represento, y de una vez por todo acallar la boca de aquellas personas que
> no entienden que la cueva NO DEBE SER TURISTICA.
>
> Y según las coordenadas del GPS y corroboradas con la misma empresa DPI y
> nuestros instrumentos, la entrada de la cueva es en territorio de Nuevo
> León zona federal limites del estado  en colindancia con Coahuila, aún y
> cuando el terreno contiguo a la cueva es Coahuila.
>
> Me pareció importante mencionarte estos datos porque aúnque consideres que
> no valen la pena para tí, para la nosotros es muy importante haberles
> demostrado que la cueva en definitiva no debe ser promocionada por ningun
> motivo como Turistica.
>
> Y  desafortunadamente entre politicos y cambios de gobierno, desde 1963 se
> es sabido como dice Charles Loving que la cueva tiene el Histo, pero, como
> siempre te dicen que no tienen absolutamente nada que lo compruebe.
>
> De esta manera y en la clausula de mi contrato se especificó que si el
> resultado era positivo o negativo,  independientemente de ello se
> publlicaría en los foros a los que pertenecemos y lo publicaríamos en los
> medios, revistas especializadas y más, porque como comunidad espeleológica
> tenemos la obligación de compartir datos de ésta índole.
>
> Buenas noches.
>
> Monica Ponce.
>
>
>
> 2016-10-10 18:34 GMT-05:00 Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com>:
>
>> Its not what I say, its a well known fact among the local population, but
>> now that you mention govt its clear why they did it, they love spending
>> taxpayer's money on useless bs.
>>
>> El oct. 10, 2016 5:30 PM, "via Texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> escribió:
>>
>> My understanding is the government was hoping to make it a show cave. The
>> official study was needed to dissuade them. "Nico says" is likely not
>> sufficient for a bureaucrat.
>>
>> Joe Ranzau
>> 210.289.6839
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went
>> there to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades
>> that the cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 years, I know people
>> who got histo there long ago, whats the point of this useless studies? its
>> like looking at a freaking stop sign and performing a study to determine
>> whether or not its red.
>>
>> El oct. 10, 2016 4:25 PM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Here is a quickly translated (read "poorly") version.  Please use the
>>> original version for reference.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> 210.289.6839
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología
>>> AC. via Te

Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

2016-10-10 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Its not what I say, its a well known fact among the local population, but
now that you mention govt its clear why they did it, they love spending
taxpayer's money on useless bs.

El oct. 10, 2016 5:30 PM, "via Texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
escribió:

My understanding is the government was hoping to make it a show cave. The
official study was needed to dissuade them. "Nico says" is likely not
sufficient for a bureaucrat.

Joe Ranzau
210.289.6839

On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went there
to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades that
the cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 years, I know people who
got histo there long ago, whats the point of this useless studies? its like
looking at a freaking stop sign and performing a study to determine whether
or not its red.

El oct. 10, 2016 4:25 PM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Here is a quickly translated (read "poorly") version.  Please use the
> original version for reference.
>
> Joe
> 210.289.6839
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología
> AC. via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Texas Caver Community
>>
>> I  attached a result of Histoplasma capsulatum test on Gruta El Carrizal,
>> Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo León. Is in Spanish.  I hope some of you can
>> read.
>>
>> Is my responsability like caver, to send this information at this site.
>> Please share with all the people, is important not use that cave on
>> turistic activities.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Monica Ponce
>> MP Mex Caving.
>> Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C.
>> ACEAC
>> EspeleoCoahuila
>> 10/10/2016
>>
>> --
>>
>> LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ
>>
>> Coordinadora de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la
>> UIS
>>
>> Instructor Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS
>>
>> Directora de MP- Mex Caving
>>
>> Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)
>>
>> Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)
>>
>> Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)
>>
>> Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)
>>
>> Grupo Espeleológico EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)
>>
>> Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)
>>
>> Association for Mexican Cave Studies (Colaboradora)
>>
>> Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
>>
>> Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (Socia)
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal

2016-10-10 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
the fence right by the resurgence is actually the state line, the cave is
in Coahuila

El oct. 10, 2016 4:28 PM, "David via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> I am just curious if the cave really is inside the boundary of the State
> of Nuevo Leon then how is it controlled by an ejido in the state of
> Coahuila.
>
> I can't picture that happening in the USA.
>
> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

2016-10-10 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went there
to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades that
the cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 years, I know people who
got histo there long ago, whats the point of this useless studies? its like
looking at a freaking stop sign and performing a study to determine whether
or not its red.

El oct. 10, 2016 4:25 PM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Here is a quickly translated (read "poorly") version.  Please use the
> original version for reference.
>
> Joe
> 210.289.6839
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología
> AC. via Texascavers  wrote:
>
>> Dear Texas Caver Community
>>
>> I  attached a result of Histoplasma capsulatum test on Gruta El Carrizal,
>> Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo León. Is in Spanish.  I hope some of you can
>> read.
>>
>> Is my responsability like caver, to send this information at this site.
>> Please share with all the people, is important not use that cave on
>> turistic activities.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Monica Ponce
>> MP Mex Caving.
>> Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C.
>> ACEAC
>> EspeleoCoahuila
>> 10/10/2016
>>
>> --
>>
>> LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ
>>
>> Coordinadora de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la
>> UIS
>>
>> Instructor Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS
>>
>> Directora de MP- Mex Caving
>>
>> Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)
>>
>> Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)
>>
>> Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)
>>
>> Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)
>>
>> Grupo Espeleológico EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)
>>
>> Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)
>>
>> Association for Mexican Cave Studies (Colaboradora)
>>
>> Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
>>
>> Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (Socia)
>>
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[Texascavers] craigslist

2016-09-17 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Some ahole on craigslist is selling cave popcorn..
http://austin.craigslist.org/grd/5785241265.html

Nico
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Re: [Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

2016-08-31 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
just a few months ago a boy scout troop visited the cave and many kids got
histo..

El ago. 31, 2016 3:16 PM, "Gill Ediger via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Moni--I would suggest that you not visit Cueva de Carrizal and not take or
> send anyone else there. There have been sufficient incidents  of people
> getting histoplasmosis to warn them there is a danger of contacting a lung
> fungus. Only people with a known or demonstrated resistance to histo should
> visit that cave.
> --Ediger
>
>
> On Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:31 AM, Asociación Coahuilense de
> Espeleología AC. via Texascavers  wrote:
>
>
> thank you Bill, is a wonderful information... but is all the investigation
> the cavers did in this cave, no more a recently years?
>
> Moni
>
> 2016-08-26 20:13 GMT-05:00 Mixon Bill via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com>:
>
> Moni -- Map of Grutta de Carrizal is at
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/ maps/1825.pdf
> 
>
> Original description of the cave is in AMCS bulletin 1
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/ bul/bul1.pdf
>  (~100 MB)
>
> There is a long article on drowning accident in Carrizal in old AMCS
> Newsletter vol 3 #4, at
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/ nl/AMCS_NL_V3.pdf
> 
>
> --Mixon
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Re: [Texascavers] Rope inquiry

2015-12-11 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
It sure does..

Details provided on a “Need to Know” basis with proper clearances. All I
can tell you is it’s big and it’s here in Texas.

Geary
El dic 11, 2015 1:53 PM, "Jon Cradit via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Ahhh, but it didn’t say it’s in Texas.
>
> “…interesting domestic project.”
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Nico Escamilla via Texascavers
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 11:40 AM
> *To:* Texascavers Mailing List <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Rope inquiry
>
>
>
> Big and texas cant go together in a sentence if its cave related... I
> thought people knew that
>
> Nico
>
> El dic 11, 2015 11:21 AM, "Nancy Weaver via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>
> sounds fun.  Nancy
>
> On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Mark,
>
>
>
> Wanted, a few people for hazardous journey, no wages, bitter cold and wet,
> long hours of complete darkness, constant danger, advanced vertical skills
> and long hours of training required, must be strong like bull and smart
> like tractor, safe return doubtful, honor and recognition in case of success
>
>
>
> (with apologies to Ernest Shackleton).
>
>
>
> Details provided on a “Need to Know” basis with proper clearances. All I
> can tell you is it’s big and it’s here in Texas.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
> <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>] *On Behalf Of *via Texascavers
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 9:09 AM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Rope inquiry
>
>
>
> What the hell are you and Sue up to, Geary?!   J
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Alman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
> <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>] *On Behalf Of *Geary Schindel via
> Texascavers
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 8:27 AM
> *To:* 'texascavers@texascavers.com'
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Rope inquiry
>
>
>
> Folks,
>
>
>
> I was wondering if there is someone in Texas that might have 600 feet of 9
> ml static rope and like to participate in an interesting domestic project.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Geary Schindel
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Rope inquiry

2015-12-11 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Big and texas cant go together in a sentence if its cave related... I
thought people knew that

Nico
El dic 11, 2015 11:21 AM, "Nancy Weaver via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> sounds fun.  Nancy
> On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Wanted, a few people for hazardous journey, no wages, bitter cold and wet,
> long hours of complete darkness, constant danger, advanced vertical skills
> and long hours of training required, must be strong like bull and smart
> like tractor, safe return doubtful, honor and recognition in case of success
>
> (with apologies to Ernest Shackleton).
>
> Details provided on a “Need to Know” basis with proper clearances. All I
> can tell you is it’s big and it’s here in Texas.
>
> Geary
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *via Texascavers
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 9:09 AM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Rope inquiry
>
> What the hell are you and Sue up to, Geary?!   J
>
>
> Mark Alman
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Geary Schindel via
> Texascavers
> *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 8:27 AM
> *To:* 'texascavers@texascavers.com'
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Rope inquiry
>
> Folks,
>
> I was wondering if there is someone in Texas that might have 600 feet of 9
> ml static rope and like to participate in an interesting domestic project.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geary Schindel
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Caver seeks pre-TCR San Antonio lodging

2015-10-05 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
No chopper ride this year Frank?

Nico
On Sunday, October 4, 2015, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Come to Austin and chop stuff for the w/e food. We have beds too…
>
>
>
> -Stefan
>
> (Chief cook… someone else has claimed bottle washer)
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Frank Binney via Texascavers
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 04, 2015 6:43 PM
> *To:* Texas Cavers
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Caver seeks pre-TCR San Antonio lodging
>
>
>
> Anybody on the west side of San Antonio have some sleeping bag floor space
> for a visiting caver the night of Wednesday Oct 14th? I’m flying in from
> Hottubistan (Northern California) that afternoon, renting a car, and
> planning on driving over to Paradise Canyon on Thursday. Would love to
> stay/visit with a local caver(s) Wednesday night instead of the sterile
> Motel 6 option.
>
> Your expatriate Texan friend,
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> Frank Binney
>
> Frank Binney & Associates
>
> Interpretive Planning and Media Development
>
> P.O. Box 258
>
> Woodacre, CA 94973
>
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Re: [Texascavers] batteriser

2015-06-03 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
No, that was actually me that sent that, should hace made It a little less
generic to make It look legit.. The link is good and I guess the only way
to find out is trying It, after all 10 bucks aint much at all and It was on
pc world not a late night infomercial

Nico

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote:

  Looks like Nico has been hacked people, don’t click on that link!!!



 -Stefan



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 *Subject:* [Texascavers] batteriser



 new device claims to extend battery life up to 8 times link
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[Texascavers] batteriser

2015-06-02 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
new device claims to extend battery life up to 8 times link
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2928997/batteriser-is-a-250-gadget-that-extends-disposable-battery-life-by-800-percent.html
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[Texascavers] Pedro Elizaldi

2015-04-24 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
For those of you who might have met him, Pedro Elizaldi owner of rancho
Minas Viejas died today.. he was placed in a nursing home by his wife and
children against his will after having hip surgery, once there he faded
fast and finally died this morning.
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Re: [Texascavers] [Moby up For Sale, Caver Rig]

2015-04-21 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
If only it had a Cummins, and didnt have a nightmarish turning radius
El abr 21, 2015 6:24 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
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 2006 Ford F-350 Crew Cab 8.2' bed 4x4 diesel  leather Lariat plus camper.
 Gooseneck hidden hitch, class III tow hitch, brush guard, matching spare,
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 Cavers get first shot at it.


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Re: [Texascavers] off topic: Pi day

2015-03-14 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Amen Stef!

Celebrating Pi day is for nerds!

Back to work
El mar 13, 2015 11:58 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
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 Well with this dodgy calendar you have...

 As far as i can tell it's 14.3.15:

 -Stefan
 
 From: Texascavers [texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of
 Logan McNatt via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
 Sent: 13 March 2015 22:55
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] off topic: Pi day

 Thanks for the alert, Bill. I will try to remember to celebrate the
 exact moments, but the party won't last long.

 On 3/13/2015 6:57 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote:
  Tomorrow will be the pi moments of the century, 3/14/15 at 9:26:53 a.m.
  or p.m. Who's having a p.m. party to celebrate? -- Mixon
 
  (Actually
 9:26:53.58979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628\
  6208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359\
  4081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659\
  3344612847564823378678316527120190914564856692346034861045432664821339\
  3607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892\
  5903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921\
  8611738193261179310511854807446237996274956735188575272489122793818301\
  19491... My computer finds 10,000,000 digits of pi in 52 seconds.)
  
  Dum vivimus, vivamus!
  
  You may reply to the address this message
  (unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
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[Texascavers] Hm

2015-02-24 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Herman Miller, please contact me off list
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Re: [Texascavers] Garbage Pit

2015-01-21 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Mark,

You are correct, 'round here we use bazofia for the stuff that comes out of
an animal's gut when its being butchered..never heard of such thing as
bazofina

Nico
El ene 20, 2015 9:00 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net escribió:

 Bill and Tommy,

   I just read the Huautla article in the new Texas Caver and saw photo
 references to Sótano Bazofina. It has bothered me ever since you began
 looking around in the cave we used to call Garbage Pit or Stash Cave
 that you were calling it Sótano Bazofina. We never called it that in the
 past, and as far as I can tell, Bazofina is not a real Spanish word.
 There is a word Bazofia, but it seems to relate more to organic-type
 waste, like animal waste or butcher's waste (offal), not ordinary trash.
 I think we should stick with the name Basura. Maybe some native Spanish
 speakers can set us straight.

 Mark


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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Survey

2015-01-08 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Stop showing off  the chopper Frank.. your fb pictures in Sayulita are
enough at the moment
El ene 7, 2015 2:59 PM, Frank via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
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 Hey Don--
 Thanks again for all the hard work you do to make TCR a success. (And
 thanks also to Allan, Andy, Gill and other past organizers).
 I love Paradise Canyon--with or without water-- even though it will be
 more difficult to land the helicopter there. 2nd choice would be Flat
 Creek, followed by last year's site. But any spot, preferably with water
 and privacy west of the Balcones Fault, with enough cavers in attendance
 will be just fine.
 Cheers,
 Frank Binney
 fr...@frankbinney.com

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

2015-01-08 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
All they have to do is use the complete word, gasoline. No need for fancy
words like petrol, that sounds more like the word for crude oil in spanish
petroleo.. if you want these texians to understand what you mean by gas use
the word propane... couldnt beat them so I had to join'em, damn texians!
El ene 7, 2015 4:23 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
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  And electricity, Gill. At least for the cooks. The cooks want water and
 electricity. And gas if you have it. That’s gas as in gas, and not
 gasoline. Why can’t you people use “petrol”, it makes a nice distinction.
 Grr, two peoples separated by a common language.



 wanders off muttering…





 -Stefan



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 Even without water PC is better than anyplace else without water.
 Actually, I prefer Flat Creek at the all-around best site we ever had. It's
 still available but needs to be reserved early.



 One of the main criteria for a site is running water. Find 10 or 20 acres
 with river (or creek) frontage and flat camping above the flood plain and I
 think the rest can be faked.

 --Ediger



 On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:31 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:



 Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and
 dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and
 spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy
 to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal
 killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR.
 How do y'all feel about this site?

 Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many
 suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target
 date.
 How do y'all feel about that?


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Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room

2014-12-19 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Gill, I just posted a picture of the formations on your fb wall, and
corredor would be the right word, I'd use pasillo to describe some part of
a house
El dic 19, 2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com escribió:

 I just consulted my paper copy of the map and notice that  I'd penciled in
 above the title 'Birthday Passage' the name 'Corredor Superior', which to
 me meant 'Upper Passage' at the time. I've come to discover that the word '
 corredor' isn't usually used that way in Spanish. The proper term should
 probably be 'pasillo'. Eh, Nico?
 --Ediger


   On Friday, December 19, 2014 11:25 AM, Gill Ediger gi...@att.net
 wrote:


 I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account access
 to the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and post
 it in the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I
 think I shot all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We had
 a room called the Snow Room which was just about the first feature on the
 right after going through the access crawlway from the balcony into the
 BDP. There were some rather large mammiform formations toward the back of
 the passage--developed underwater--which might be construed as clouds.
 The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part of
 the cave  seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage
 but simply a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than the
 main part of the cave, as if citing something called the New Discovery 40
 years after its discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone
 visiting the BDP that it has had plenty of cavers exploring it and
 leaving foot prints in the mud and mud streaks all over the formations.
 When I first climbed up to the balcony in ~1969 there was already a set of
 footprints in the mud. But the crawlway leading to the rest of the BDP
 had not been violated, being on the floor and under a low ledge and not at
 all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent over far enough to see
 it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip by TR Evans, Terry
 Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) had climbed up
 to the balcony but found no going passage.
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Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room

2014-12-19 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
That works too,
El dic 19, 2014 5:12 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com escribió:

How about Pasaje Superior? There is a Pasaje Superior and Pasaje
 Inferior in Sótano de La Joya de Salas.

 Mark
 mmin...@caver.net

 On Fri, December 19, 2014 2:17 pm, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers wrote:
  Gill, I just posted a picture of the formations on your fb wall, and
  corredor would be the right word, I'd use pasillo to describe some part
 of
  a house
 
  El dic 19, 2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers
  texascavers@texascavers.com escribió:
 
  I just consulted my paper copy of the map and notice that  I'd penciled
 in
  above the title 'Birthday Passage' the name 'Corredor Superior', which
 to
  me meant 'Upper Passage' at the time. I've come to discover that the
 word
  'corredor' isn't usually used that way in Spanish. The proper term
 should
  probably be 'pasillo'. Eh, Nico?
  --Ediger
 
On Friday, December 19, 2014 11:25 AM, Gill Ediger gi...@att.net
 wrote:
 
  I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account
 access
  to the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and
 post
  it in the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I
  think I shot all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We
 had
  a room called the Snow Room which was just about the first feature on
 the
  right after going through the access crawlway from the balcony into the
  BDP. There were some rather large mammiform formations toward the back
 of
  the passage--developed underwater--which might be construed as clouds.
  The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part
 of
  the cave  seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage
  but simply a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than
 the
  main part of the cave, as if citing something called the New
 Discovery 40
  years after its discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone
  visiting the BDP that it has had plenty of cavers exploring it and
  leaving foot prints in the mud and mud streaks all over the formations.
  When I first climbed up to the balcony in ~1969 there was already a set
 of
  footprints in the mud. But the crawlway leading to the rest of the BDP
  had not been violated, being on the floor and under a low ledge and not
 at
  all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent over far enough to see
  it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip by TR Evans,
 Terry
  Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) had climbed up
  to the balcony but found no going passage.
  --Ediger

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Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room

2014-12-18 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Someone in my friends list shared the link on fb as well, and I saw a
comment from an aceac member who claimed to have discovered that room..
what a tool! Following their logic I must have discovered it back in 2006
too

Mark, I believe the grapefruit room and the cloud room are the same, the
name seems to be interchangeable..

Be it as it may, these people are getting media attention and glory for
something they did not actually scoop, and to me thats just wrong and
unethical caving practice
El dic 18, 2014 12:25 PM, Fofo via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com escribió:

 It would be hard to think that no one had been up to the Birthday Passage
 when at the top of the climb there's a hanger.

 And I'm sure that the Birthday Passage itself has tracks in the calcite
 sand.

 I believe Monica from the Asociacion Coahuilense is in this email list and
 maybe she will clarify?

 - Fofo



  On 18/12/2014, at 09:59, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
  Nico,
 
I think you're right. The photo looks like something in the Birthday
  Passage, known for 30 years or more to Texans. It's a sporting and
  exposed climb to get up there, so maybe the coahuilense thought it
  hadn't been done. Hopefully they won't get credit for long, once
  someone points out the true history of the cave.
 
  Mark Minton
  mmin...@caver.net
 
  On Wed, December 17, 2014 10:00 pm, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers
 wrote:
  While browsing the news today I found an article on the El Norte website
  about in Grutas del Palmito aka Bustamante, said article talks about the
  new discoveries made in the cave by members of the asociacion
 coahuilense
  de espeleologia, or aceac using a drone to film upper levels of the cave
  and mentioned the uniqueness of the speleothems found in that newly
 found
  part of the cave
 
  The reason why Im using quotes is because the article features a
 prominent
  picture of the Cloud Room, and correct me if Im wrong but, hasnt that
 part
  of the cave been explored for decades? Heck, I was even there almost 10
  years ago
 
  Looks like someone is taking undeserved credit here..
 
  link to the article Descubren nuevos salones en grutas Félix Barrón
  Monterrey, México (17 diciembre 2014).- Una investigación realizada
  recientemente por especialistas de la Asociación Coahuilense de
  Espeleologí­a en las Grutas de Bustamante descubrió nuevos salones con
  formaciones únicas en el País. A través de un dron, que captó
  imágenes en
  la parte superior de las grutas, exploradas hasta ahora en un 10 por
  ciento, reveló espeleotemas que comprueban la antigüedad de la
  formación y
  su importancia. Tiene todo tipo de espeleotemas registrados,
 espeleotemas
  únicos en México y al aparecer en Latinoamérica, expresó en rueda de
  prensa Ana Gabriela Morales, presidenta de la Asociación Coahuilense de
  Espeleología. Leer más:
 
 http://www.elnorte.com/aplicacioneslibre/preacceso/articulo/default.aspx?id=421027v=5urlredirect=http://www.elnorte.com/aplicaciones/articulo/default.aspx?id=421027v=5#ixzz3MDGsMFIL
 
  but its by subscription only
 
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[Texascavers] Cloud Room

2014-12-17 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
While browsing the news today I found an article on the El Norte website
about in Grutas del Palmito aka Bustamante, said article talks about the
new discoveries made in the cave by members of the asociacion coahuilense
de espeleologia, or aceac using a drone to film upper levels of the cave
and mentioned the uniqueness of the speleothems found in that newly found
part of the cave

The reason why Im using quotes is because the article features a prominent
picture of the Cloud Room, and correct me if Im wrong but, hasnt that part
of the cave been explored for decades? Heck, I was even there almost 10
years ago

Looks like someone is taking undeserved credit here..

link to the article Descubren nuevos salones en grutas Félix Barrón
Monterrey, México (17 diciembre 2014).- Una investigación realizada
recientemente por especialistas de la Asociación Coahuilense de
Espeleología en las Grutas de Bustamante descubrió nuevos salones con
formaciones únicas en el País. A través de un dron, que captó imágenes en
la parte superior de las grutas, exploradas hasta ahora en un 10 por
ciento, reveló espeleotemas que comprueban la antigüedad de la formación y
su importancia. Tiene todo tipo de espeleotemas registrados, espeleotemas
únicos en México y al aparecer en Latinoamérica, expresó en rueda de
prensa Ana Gabriela Morales, presidenta de la Asociación Coahuilense de
Espeleología. Leer más:
http://www.elnorte.com/aplicacioneslibre/preacceso/articulo/default.aspx?id=421027v=5urlredirect=http://www.elnorte.com/aplicaciones/articulo/default.aspx?id=421027v=5#ixzz3MDGsMFIL
but
its by subscription only
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Re: [Texascavers] Related to speleo-vehicles

2014-12-16 Thread Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
Humvees use the same 6.5 liter GM (detroit) diesel as I have in two pick up
trucks, theres not a lot of power but they're fairly good engines with
decent mileage, parts are cheap compared to cummins and international.. the
extra weight and full time 4wd oughta hurt the mpg but perhaps putting
taller gears in it might help lower rpms and improve fuel economy.. I
always said that if I had the money to buy a Lambo I'd get a Hummer instead

Nico
El dic 16, 2014 4:20 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com escribió:

 Used Spanish Land Rovers in Angola and at time the Mercedes Unimog a real
 interesting vehicle the ones we used had twin machine guns mounted on them.

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Charles Loving lovingi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 And the gas used per mile wouldn't get you very far. I go fro Spanish
 Land Rovers.

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:57 PM, David via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


 http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/12/16/first-public-auction-military-humvees-causing-buzz/

 A Humvee Ambulance would look nice with some caver paraphonelia all over
 it.

 David Locklear

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