Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Donates $5000 to TSC

[pstrickland1--- via Texascavers]

In addition to the minor repairs On the Texas Speleological Center, I think we 
should consider if we want to put wood firing strips on the concrete walls for 
sheetrock. Foam insulation could be put between the strips. Sheetrocking the 
ceiling would not only make the space look finished, but is recommended for 
suppression of fire. If we don't do this before we fill the basement, it will 
never happen.   
 Joe & Evelynn via Texascavers  wrote: 
> A big thank you to the Bexar Grotto for the generous donation of $5000 to the 
> new Texas Speleology Center!

The Bexar Grotto is also challenging other grottos around the state to 
contribute and try to meet or beat their contribution.

There have been a number of offers and requests over the past week to provide 
items or store materials at the new facility, and unfortunately we can’t 
accommodate those at this time. While we appreciate everyone’s enthusiasm, we 
still need to setup a management team for the property, help Bill Mixon sort 
through and remove his items, conduct some minor repairs on the property, 
determine the space needs for TSS and TCMA and figure out where everything 
goes, then establish a use plan for the property so that we can both meet the 
needs of cavers and provide a professional-type space for the Texas caving 
organizations.

Thank you!
Joe Mitchell
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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

[pstrickland1--- via Texascavers]

   I don't knowif you are an NSS member or can find your members manual, but 
mine shows "Springfield Plateau Grotto, www.spgcavers.org ,Jonathan Beard , 
mokan...@att.net ,417 887 7231Pete Strickland
 jaycc Jordan via Texascavers  wrote: 
> Hello cavers,
> 
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
> 
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
> 
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me
> please let me know.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> - Jordan

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Re: [Texascavers] Land ownership in Texas

[pstrickland1--- via Texascavers]

The university of Texas System has substantial land holdings in west Texas, 
including Amazing Maze Cave and 09 Water Well.

 Dwight via Texascavers  wrote: 
> Thanks Mike. You are correct in that the private ownership of caves presents 
> it's own set of potential problems. 
> 
> But you are not correct about land ownership in Texas. There is a LOT of 
> "public" ownership, especially in West Texas. Much is held by the State of 
> Texas, not the federal gvt. (except for the National Parks and a small 
> national forest). The General Land Office, Texas Parks and Wildlife, and 
> school disricts are the largest public land owning bureaucracies but the land 
> is often leased to individuals who treat it as their own private fiefdom. 
> That may not help much if you want access. 
> 
> DirtDoc 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Michael Queen"  
> To: "Dwight"  
> Cc: "TAG Net" , idigca...@yahoo.com, "Cave NM" 
> , "Cave Texas"  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 10:19:30 AM 
> Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Future of NSS membership 
> 
> I think it is a drastic oversimplification to suggest that private ownership 
> of caves necessarily makes things easier for us or safer for the caves than 
> agency ownership. We are still excluded from Skull Cave (Albany County, NY), 
> because the owners were spooked by an accident (in a separate cave owned by 
> different folk) back in about 1971. When a land management agency works well 
> things are great, as they are with private owners. However, if things go 
> south with private owners there is absolutely no recourse but to buy the 
> caves, and often the owners don't want to sell. Look at what caving in Texas 
> is like, with almost no public land ownership. Anyone who thinks you can just 
> go caving wherever and whenever one wants should think twice. So if we are 
> lucky enough to know the land owners we can decry ownership by public 
> agencies. But if we are not so lucky we should not too quickly criticize 
> public ownership, and we should speak out against efforts to transfer federal 
> lands to state o
 r private ownership. 
> 
> MQ 

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