Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo

[Carol W Russell]

here you go, logan. carol

Carl Kunath via 
texascavers.com
12:58 PM (4 hours ago)
to Cave, seaross50
What about the Pogo cartoon?

That’s an obscure question and has caused several rather ill-informed
conjectures.
Without delving into detail, here’s the core of the story:

That cartoon was a brief moment of fame for the UT cavers.  When the guide
book was in preparation for the first UT Grotto reunion in 1994, organizers
Mona Hanna and Bill Cronenwett contacted Walt Kelly for permission to
reproduce some of those cartoons in the guide book.  Permission was granted
with no significant strings attached.

There is a copy of the 1994 guide book in the TSS archives.  A photo of the
1994 reunion is on page 136 of the book *50 Years Of Texas Caving.*

There were two subsequent UT caver reunions in 2004 and 2015 but no guide
books were prepared.  There is a significant photographic record of the
events.  The 2004 Reunion group is pictured on page 498 of the *50
Years* book.
Of that group, five are known to have recently died.

Although Bill Helmer was around at the time, he was not involved and the
topic of his photographs is an unrelated sidebar.

===Carl Kunath


On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:58 PM Carl Kunath 
wrote:

> What about the Pogo cartoon?
>
> That’s an obscure question and has caused several rather ill-informed
> conjectures.
> Without delving into detail, here’s the core of the story:
>
> That cartoon was a brief moment of fame for the UT cavers.  When the guide
> book was in preparation for the first UT Grotto reunion in 1994, organizers
> Mona Hanna and Bill Cronenwett contacted Walt Kelly for permission to
> reproduce some of those cartoons in the guide book.  Permission was granted
> with no significant strings attached.
>
> There is a copy of the 1994 guide book in the TSS archives.  A photo of
> the 1994 reunion is on page 136 of the book *50 Years Of Texas Caving.*
>
> There were two subsequent UT caver reunions in 2004 and 2015 but no guide
> books were prepared.  There is a significant photographic record of the
> events.  The 2004 Reunion group is pictured on page 498 of the *50 Years*
> book.  Of that group, five are known to have recently died.
>
> Although Bill Helmer was around at the time, he was not involved and the
> topic of his photographs is an unrelated sidebar.
>
> ===Carl Kunath
>
>
>
> *From:* kara posso 
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 7:48 AM
> *To:* Cave Tex  ; searos...@gmail.com
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Historical Question
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the
> other day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery
> with the help of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go
> back this far. Ross is included on this email, please reply to hum or
> remember to hit REPLY ALL to keep him on the email chain since he is not
> signed up on the listserve.
>
> Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of
> it) i am sure people would be interested to see!
>
> Thanks folks!
> Kara
>
>
>
> My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I
> post this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area
> in the period of 1953-54.
>
> I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently
> mentions real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading
> a recent re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he
> published beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the
> University of Texas Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play
> with words including spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and
> Texas over 2 or 3 months, makes me wonder if there was a particular event
> that he was referring to.  Some of the characters are trying to reach the
> team to help rescue a frog that was swallowed by Albert the alligator. So,
> it may have been some sort of rescue or similar event.
>
> Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably
> started this storyline in November or December of 1954.
>
> I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this
> mystery.
>
> Thank you for your time and attention.
>
> Ross Burns
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo

[Charles Loving]

Up lifting article and story. Thanks for the memories.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:34 PM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

> Jerry asked me to repost!
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Jerry  wrote:
>
> Okay, everybody,
>
> Here's the cartoon in question in the attached pdf. It's not the best
> quality but it's the same as was in the 1994 UT Grotto Reunion publication.
> I couldn't find a better copy on the internet without considerable effort.
> I have also included some of the correspondence with Walt Kelly that the UT
> folks had when requesting permission to use the cartoon. Enjoy !
>
> Jerry Atkinson.
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Carl Kunath 
> wrote:
>
> What about the Pogo cartoon?
>
> That’s an obscure question and has caused several rather ill-informed
> conjectures.
> Without delving into detail, here’s the core of the story:
>
> That cartoon was a brief moment of fame for the UT cavers.  When the guide
> book was in preparation for the first UT Grotto reunion in 1994, organizers
> Mona Hanna and Bill Cronenwett contacted Walt Kelly for permission to
> reproduce some of those cartoons in the guide book.  Permission was granted
> with no significant strings attached.
>
> There is a copy of the 1994 guide book in the TSS archives.  A photo of
> the 1994 reunion is on page 136 of the book *50 Years Of Texas Caving.*
>
> There were two subsequent UT caver reunions in 2004 and 2015 but no guide
> books were prepared.  There is a significant photographic record of the
> events.  The 2004 Reunion group is pictured on page 498 of the *50 Years* 
> book.
> Of that group, five are known to have recently died.
>
> Although Bill Helmer was around at the time, he was not involved and the
> topic of his photographs is an unrelated sidebar.
>
> ===Carl Kunath
>
>
>
> *From:* kara posso 
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 7:48 AM
> *To:* Cave Tex  ; searos...@gmail.com
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Historical Question
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the
> other day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery
> with the help of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go
> back this far. Ross is included on this email, please reply to hum or
> remember to hit REPLY ALL to keep him on the email chain since he is not
> signed up on the listserve.
>
> Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of
> it) i am sure people would be interested to see!
>
> Thanks folks!
> Kara
>
>
>
> My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I
> post this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area
> in the period of 1953-54.
>
> I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently
> mentions real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading
> a recent re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he
> published beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the
> University of Texas Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play
> with words including spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and
> Texas over 2 or 3 months, makes me wonder if there was a particular event
> that he was referring to.  Some of the characters are trying to reach the
> team to help rescue a frog that was swallowed by Albert the alligator. So,
> it may have been some sort of rescue or similar event.
>
> Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably
> started this storyline in November or December of 1954.
>
> I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this
> mystery.
>
> Thank you for your time and attention.
>
> Ross Burns
>
>
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>
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo

[jerryatkin]

I have a copy available if you don’t find it, Carl. 

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone
Jerry Atkinson

> On Apr 24, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Carl Kunath  wrote:
> 
> I’ll check.
> ===ck
>  
> From: Katherine Arens
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:38 PM
> To: Texascavers
> Cc: searos...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo
>  
> Carl,
> the TSS archive is presently in boxes, preparatory for the move.  Does 
> someone have a copy of that Reunion publication that could be pdf’ed and 
> circulated?  I could do the work if i could get my hands on it
> k
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Carl Kunath  wrote:
>>  
>> What about the Pogo cartoon?
>>  
>> That’s an obscure question and has caused several rather ill-informed 
>> conjectures.
>> Without delving into detail, here’s the core of the story:
>>  
>> That cartoon was a brief moment of fame for the UT cavers.  When the guide 
>> book was in preparation for the first UT Grotto reunion in 1994, organizers 
>> Mona Hanna and Bill Cronenwett contacted Walt Kelly for permission to 
>> reproduce some of those cartoons in the guide book.  Permission was granted 
>> with no significant strings attached.
>>  
>> There is a copy of the 1994 guide book in the TSS archives.  A photo of the 
>> 1994 reunion is on page 136 of the book 50 Years Of Texas Caving.
>>  
>> There were two subsequent UT caver reunions in 2004 and 2015 but no guide 
>> books were prepared.  There is a significant photographic record of the 
>> events.  The 2004 Reunion group is pictured on page 498 of the 50 Years 
>> book.  Of that group, five are known to have recently died.
>>  
>> Although Bill Helmer was around at the time, he was not involved and the 
>> topic of his photographs is an unrelated sidebar.
>>  
>> ===Carl Kunath
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: kara posso
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 7:48 AM
>> To: Cave Tex ; searos...@gmail.com
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Historical Question
>>  
>> Hello Everyone,
>>  
>> Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the 
>> other day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery with 
>> the help of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go back 
>> this far. Ross is included on this email, please reply to hum or remember to 
>> hit REPLY ALL to keep him on the email chain since he is not signed up on 
>> the listserve.
>>  
>> Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of it) 
>> i am sure people would be interested to see!
>>  
>> Thanks folks!
>> Kara
>>  
>>  
>>> My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I post 
>>> this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area in 
>>> the period of 1953-54.
>>>  
>>> I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently 
>>> mentions real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading 
>>> a recent re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he 
>>> published beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the 
>>> University of Texas Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play 
>>> with words including spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and 
>>> Texas over 2 or 3 months, makes me wonder if there was a particular event 
>>> that he was referring to.  Some of the characters are trying to reach the 
>>> team to help rescue a frog that was swallowed by Albert the alligator. So, 
>>> it may have been some sort of rescue or similar event.
>>>  
>>> Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably 
>>> started this storyline in November or December of 1954.
>>>  
>>> I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this 
>>> mystery.
>>>  
>>> Thank you for your time and attention.
>>>  
>>> Ross Burns
>>  
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo

[Nancy Weaver]

and thus it comes (like speludknockers) out of darkness into the light.  thanks 
Jerry
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo

[Carl Kunath]

I’ll check.
===ck

From: Katherine Arens
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:38 PM
To: Texascavers
Cc: searos...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo

Carl,
the TSS archive is presently in boxes, preparatory for the move.  Does someone 
have a copy of that Reunion publication that could be pdf’ed and circulated?  I 
could do the work if i could get my hands on it
k



  On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Carl Kunath  wrote:

  What about the Pogo cartoon?

  That’s an obscure question and has caused several rather ill-informed 
conjectures.
  Without delving into detail, here’s the core of the story:

  That cartoon was a brief moment of fame for the UT cavers.  When the guide 
book was in preparation for the first UT Grotto reunion in 1994, organizers 
Mona Hanna and Bill Cronenwett contacted Walt Kelly for permission to reproduce 
some of those cartoons in the guide book.  Permission was granted with no 
significant strings attached.

  There is a copy of the 1994 guide book in the TSS archives.  A photo of the 
1994 reunion is on page 136 of the book 50 Years Of Texas Caving.

  There were two subsequent UT caver reunions in 2004 and 2015 but no guide 
books were prepared.  There is a significant photographic record of the events. 
 The 2004 Reunion group is pictured on page 498 of the 50 Years book.  Of that 
group, five are known to have recently died.

  Although Bill Helmer was around at the time, he was not involved and the 
topic of his photographs is an unrelated sidebar.

  ===Carl Kunath



  From: kara posso
  Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 7:48 AM
  To: Cave Tex ; searos...@gmail.com
  Subject: [Texascavers] Historical Question

  Hello Everyone,

  Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the 
other day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery with 
the help of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go back this 
far. Ross is included on this email, please reply to hum or remember to hit 
REPLY ALL to keep him on the email chain since he is not signed up on the 
listserve.

  Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of it) i 
am sure people would be interested to see!

  Thanks folks!
  Kara


My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I post 
this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area in the 
period of 1953-54.

I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently 
mentions real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading a 
recent re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he published 
beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the University of Texas 
Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play with words including 
spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and Texas over 2 or 3 months, 
makes me wonder if there was a particular event that he was referring to.  Some 
of the characters are trying to reach the team to help rescue a frog that was 
swallowed by Albert the alligator. So, it may have been some sort of rescue or 
similar event.

Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably 
started this storyline in November or December of 1954.

I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this 
mystery.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Ross Burns



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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo

[Katherine Arens]

Carl,
the TSS archive is presently in boxes, preparatory for the move.  Does someone 
have a copy of that Reunion publication that could be pdf’ed and circulated?  I 
could do the work if i could get my hands on it
k

On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Carl Kunath 
mailto:carl.kun...@suddenlink.net>> wrote:

What about the Pogo cartoon?

That’s an obscure question and has caused several rather ill-informed 
conjectures.
Without delving into detail, here’s the core of the story:

That cartoon was a brief moment of fame for the UT cavers.  When the guide book 
was in preparation for the first UT Grotto reunion in 1994, organizers Mona 
Hanna and Bill Cronenwett contacted Walt Kelly for permission to reproduce some 
of those cartoons in the guide book.  Permission was granted with no 
significant strings attached.

There is a copy of the 1994 guide book in the TSS archives.  A photo of the 
1994 reunion is on page 136 of the book 50 Years Of Texas Caving.

There were two subsequent UT caver reunions in 2004 and 2015 but no guide books 
were prepared.  There is a significant photographic record of the events.  The 
2004 Reunion group is pictured on page 498 of the 50 Years book.  Of that 
group, five are known to have recently died.

Although Bill Helmer was around at the time, he was not involved and the topic 
of his photographs is an unrelated sidebar.

===Carl Kunath



From: kara posso
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 7:48 AM
To: Cave Tex ; 
searos...@gmail.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Historical Question

Hello Everyone,

Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the other 
day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery with the help 
of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go back this far. Ross 
is included on this email, please reply to hum or remember to hit REPLY ALL to 
keep him on the email chain since he is not signed up on the listserve.

Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of it) i 
am sure people would be interested to see!

Thanks folks!
Kara


My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I post 
this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area in the 
period of 1953-54.

I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently mentions 
real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading a recent 
re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he published 
beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the University of Texas 
Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play with words including 
spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and Texas over 2 or 3 months, 
makes me wonder if there was a particular event that he was referring to.  Some 
of the characters are trying to reach the team to help rescue a frog that was 
swallowed by Albert the alligator. So, it may have been some sort of rescue or 
similar event.

Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably 
started this storyline in November or December of 1954.

I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this 
mystery.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Ross Burns



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[Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo

[Carl Kunath]

What about the Pogo cartoon?

That’s an obscure question and has caused several rather ill-informed 
conjectures.
Without delving into detail, here’s the core of the story:

That cartoon was a brief moment of fame for the UT cavers.  When the guide book 
was in preparation for the first UT Grotto reunion in 1994, organizers Mona 
Hanna and Bill Cronenwett contacted Walt Kelly for permission to reproduce some 
of those cartoons in the guide book.  Permission was granted with no 
significant strings attached.

There is a copy of the 1994 guide book in the TSS archives.  A photo of the 
1994 reunion is on page 136 of the book 50 Years Of Texas Caving.

There were two subsequent UT caver reunions in 2004 and 2015 but no guide books 
were prepared.  There is a significant photographic record of the events.  The 
2004 Reunion group is pictured on page 498 of the 50 Years book.  Of that 
group, five are known to have recently died.

Although Bill Helmer was around at the time, he was not involved and the topic 
of his photographs is an unrelated sidebar.

===Carl Kunath



From: kara posso
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 7:48 AM
To: Cave Tex ; searos...@gmail.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Historical Question

Hello Everyone,

Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the other 
day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery with the help 
of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go back this far. Ross 
is included on this email, please reply to hum or remember to hit REPLY ALL to 
keep him on the email chain since he is not signed up on the listserve.

Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of it) i 
am sure people would be interested to see!

Thanks folks!
Kara


  My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I post 
this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area in the 
period of 1953-54.

  I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently mentions 
real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading a recent 
re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he published 
beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the University of Texas 
Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play with words including 
spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and Texas over 2 or 3 months, 
makes me wonder if there was a particular event that he was referring to.  Some 
of the characters are trying to reach the team to help rescue a frog that was 
swallowed by Albert the alligator. So, it may have been some sort of rescue or 
similar event.

  Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably 
started this storyline in November or December of 1954.

  I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this 
mystery.

  Thank you for your time and attention.

  Ross Burns




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