Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
It's plugged up! The city did a dye trace on Austin C. such as it is. The trace never showed up and all there is to the cave is bout 15 feet of passage b4 massive plug. jules On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: How bout if 3 or 4 people just go into Austin Caverns and get us some realtime pictures and intel? --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 3:34 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it. Cheers, Stefan From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of David via Texascavers Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years ) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer. I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the 2 recent post on Cavetex My 2 cents is that Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday. David Locklear -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
Julie, Do you recall when that dye trace occurred and who checked out the cave? For the files. Thanks! Jerry. jerryat...@aol.com Sent from my iPhone On Dec 20, 2014, at 5:39 AM, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: It's plugged up! The city did a dye trace on Austin C. such as it is. The trace never showed up and all there is to the cave is bout 15 feet of passage b4 massive plug. jules On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: How bout if 3 or 4 people just go into Austin Caverns and get us some realtime pictures and intel? --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 3:34 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it. Cheers, Stefan From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of David via Texascavers Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years ) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer. I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the 2 recent post on Cavetex My 2 cents is that Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday. David Locklear -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
Jerry, sure I helped, Sylvia Pope w COA, and I'll text her for the date. I want to say 2005 or so. I'll let u know. J Sent from my iPad On Dec 20, 2014, at 2:34 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Julie, Do you recall when that dye trace occurred and who checked out the cave? For the files. Thanks! Jerry. jerryat...@aol.com Sent from my iPhone On Dec 20, 2014, at 5:39 AM, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: It's plugged up! The city did a dye trace on Austin C. such as it is. The trace never showed up and all there is to the cave is bout 15 feet of passage b4 massive plug. jules On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: How bout if 3 or 4 people just go into Austin Caverns and get us some realtime pictures and intel? --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 3:34 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it. Cheers, Stefan From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of David via Texascavers Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years ) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer. I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the 2 recent post on Cavetex My 2 cents is that Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday. David Locklear -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it. Cheers, Stefan From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of David via Texascavers Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years ) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer. I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the 2 recent post on Cavetex My 2 cents is that Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday. David Locklear -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
How bout if 3 or 4 people just go into Austin Caverns and get us some realtime pictures and intel? --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 3:34 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it. Cheers, Stefan From:Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of David via Texascavers Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years ) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer. I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the 2 recent post on Cavetex My 2 cents is that Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday. David Locklear -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
most of it is blasted shut, not much accessible. that’s the problem — we got
the dregs left
On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
How bout if 3 or 4 people just go into Austin Caverns and get us some realtime
pictures and intel?
--Ediger
On Friday, December 19, 2014 3:34 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend
if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it.
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of
David via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years
) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer.
I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the
2 recent post on Cavetex
My 2 cents is that
Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take
my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday.
David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
I did not read the details of the last post, but just skimmed it. I do not recall that the cave that I went to being across the Colorado river, as the report indicated. My previous post about the vicinity of the cave seem to be mistaken. I drove down every street in the neighborhood using Google Street View, and was NOT able to find anything that resembled the storm-sewer that we entered. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
It's okay David, I didn't read your email either... Bill On 12/15/2014 1:31 PM, David via Texascavers wrote: I did not read the details of the last post, but just skimmed it. I do not recall that the cave that I went to being across the Colorado river, as the report indicated. My previous post about the vicinity of the cave seem to be mistaken. I drove down every street in the neighborhood using Google Street View, and was NOT able to find anything that resembled the storm-sewer that we entered. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- *Bill Bentley* ca...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
The NSS is currently reviewing all of its materials for posting on the Karst Information Portal. NSS materials will be reposted to the Portal as appropriate as the process progresses. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 2014/12/15 12:00 (GMT-07:00) To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns Re the recent discussion of Austin Caverns: NSS Bulletin 10, The Caves of Texas (1948), has material on Austin Caverns. NSS members can get a PDF file of that bulletin from the NSS web site (Member Portal-Member Central (log on with NSS # and ZIP code)-NSS Bulletin). The scan is low-res and has noticeable JPEG artifacts. It has been protected against printing, extracting contents, etc., but anybody who lets that stop him has never Googled remove PDF password. Because of the quality of the scan, Acrobat had some trouble reading (OCR) the text, but below is the main article on Austin Caverns, from p. 44. For a reason known but to some fussbudget, that issue of the bulletin is not available on KIP.-- Mixon The cave is within 1,000 Ylards of Lake Austin , in an area iQf massive .!imestone ledges. Most of the commercial history of this cavern ~ystem has been 10st. lot was operated for a short period in 1932 but soon was closed and the entrances blasted. The lold entrance has reopened itself in the past few years and now permits admittance into the first four chambers of the old cavern. This is the first Texas cave of which we have printed record. On February 5, 1840, The Telegraph and Texas Register, of Austin, published the following account : An extensive cave has been discovered near the City rOf Austin. The entrance of this cave is situated in an elevated plain, upon a hill about three mile,s distance from the city, ·in a westerly direction and across the Colorado. This entrance forms an apepture about eight feet long and four lor five wide, rendered irregular by; ·projecting angular fragments of rocks ; and sinks sudd'enly, like a well, to the depth of a few feet. From the bottom of this aperture two passages extend into the rocks nearly at a right angle from each other. The smaller of these, which is about six feet wide and three or four high, extends towards the north in a horizontal direction ; and alt the distance of about 100 feet from the entr.ance becomes so narrow that a man of ordinary size can with difficulty penetrate farther. Here numerous small passages extend obliquely upwards iiHo the rock. The other and main passage of the cave is about twice as large as the former, extends in an easterly direction obliquely downwards about 100 feet, where it opens into a chamber about -twenty feet wide, tl1irtYI feet long and five or six high. Many narrow passages extend beyond this, and probably communicate with iQther 5ubter- ranean chambers that have not yet been explored. The walls of this cavern are limestone. Small stalacti·tes have formed upon them and in many places unite with stalagmites from the floors, forming small, irregular columns. These are generally opaque and of a dull, dingy white color. The floor of the cavern is generally covered with a deep bed of dirt, in whcih are encliQsed man y bones of bears and other animals. It probably contains large quantities of nitre. The ,walls of this cave exhibit in every part the action of a current of water and evince its origin. There are probably in the neighboring hills many similar caverns, which have been worn in the 110cks byl subterranean torrents. The original cavern system was reported , doubt.less with great exaggerat'ion, as being about seven miles long. At least ,it mU'st have been much larger .than tl1e areas now accessible. A large number of unexplored cracks and fissures in the nearby limestone give rise ~o the hope that a new entrance may 'be discovered to the section of the old system which ha.s been cut off by the blast. These chambers, which still can be entered, appear olo have been greatly altered, perhaps by the blasting. The lar'gest is about 50 feet by 30 feet by 6 feet high. Stalagmites throughout this room have been curiously sheered off in such a way as to show clearly that they once were taIler than the present height of the room. This apparent phenomenon may have resulted from a sudden lowering of the ceiling. Although the formations are badly weathered, there are some interes,ting dii9plays of fresh white calcite crystals and flint outcroppings. The prepond'erant color throughout results from il1on. There are a ,few smaIl travertine and flowstone deposits. No
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
Bill's post mentioned something about the cave being in the hills. My fuzzy recollection of the neighborhood of the cave I was in was in an area that was flat by Austin standards, whereas across the river as the report stated is where the hills are. I only know 2 cavers that know where the storm sewer entrance is, and I presumed everybody in Austin knew exactly where it was. Maybe I am thinking of a different cave ? David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
The cave mentioned in that 1840 newspaper article in NSS Bulletin 10 is not Austin Caverns, which is indeed north of the river and near Lake Austin. There was a mistake made by the author and the 1840 newspaper article is actually describing Bandit Cave in south Austin. Jerry Atkinson. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:57 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Bill's post mentioned something about the cave being in the hills. My fuzzy recollection of the neighborhood of the cave I was in was in an area that was flat by Austin standards, whereas across the river as the report stated is where the hills are. I only know 2 cavers that know where the storm sewer entrance is, and I presumed everybody in Austin knew exactly where it was. Maybe I am thinking of a different cave ? David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Regardless of what cave that description fits, you know what's more curious? I found the Feb. 5 1840 issue of *The Telegraph and Texas Register* and could not find an article about a cave. http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth48085/m1/1/ https://mail.austintexas.gov/owa/redir.aspx?C=F9G_BusPz0KQRZ16xntt9JdJFBB_7NEIUZC2-_Zjpw-Bb6u7vRefGWVa2Ko_ARXtbRq1TPmyd98.URL=http%3a%2f%2ftexashistory.unt.edu%2fark%3a%2f67531%2fmetapth48085%2fm1%2f1%2f Based on what I've found so far, I'm thinking this was made-up by Austin High student Timothy Williams when he wrote a paper about the cave; and has been perpetuated 'en mass since he submitted an undated typed copy to the Austin History Center. Coincidentally, *The Austin Statesman* did run a 4 part article about the University of Texas Speleological Society exploration beginning on Feb. 5, though the year was 1952. In his report he quotes the article in full. It is both lengthy and often quoted in other articles. This is disappointing, as the NSS Bulletin 10 claims this as the first written record of a cave in Texas. I have uncovered a land deed for Austin Caverns dated Sept. 6 1895, Does anyone know if it can it still keep that title? Justin On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:46 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: The cave mentioned in that 1840 newspaper article in NSS Bulletin 10 is not Austin Caverns, which is indeed north of the river and near Lake Austin. There was a mistake made by the author and the 1840 newspaper article is actually describing Bandit Cave in south Austin. Jerry Atkinson. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:57 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Bill's post mentioned something about the cave being in the hills. My fuzzy recollection of the neighborhood of the cave I was in was in an area that was flat by Austin standards, whereas across the river as the report stated is where the hills are. I only know 2 cavers that know where the storm sewer entrance is, and I presumed everybody in Austin knew exactly where it was. Maybe I am thinking of a different cave ? David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.net 512-797-4734 Box 40056 Austin, TX 78704 we need to start using our collective intelligence in a creative, clear and coherent manner - John Trudell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Well, Cancel all of that mystery. It WAS published in that paper: http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth48085/m1/3/ Justin On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.net wrote: Regardless of what cave that description fits, you know what's more curious? I found the Feb. 5 1840 issue of *The Telegraph and Texas Register* and could not find an article about a cave. http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth48085/m1/1/ https://mail.austintexas.gov/owa/redir.aspx?C=F9G_BusPz0KQRZ16xntt9JdJFBB_7NEIUZC2-_Zjpw-Bb6u7vRefGWVa2Ko_ARXtbRq1TPmyd98.URL=http%3a%2f%2ftexashistory.unt.edu%2fark%3a%2f67531%2fmetapth48085%2fm1%2f1%2f Based on what I've found so far, I'm thinking this was made-up by Austin High student Timothy Williams when he wrote a paper about the cave; and has been perpetuated 'en mass since he submitted an undated typed copy to the Austin History Center. Coincidentally, *The Austin Statesman* did run a 4 part article about the University of Texas Speleological Society exploration beginning on Feb. 5, though the year was 1952. In his report he quotes the article in full. It is both lengthy and often quoted in other articles. This is disappointing, as the NSS Bulletin 10 claims this as the first written record of a cave in Texas. I have uncovered a land deed for Austin Caverns dated Sept. 6 1895, Does anyone know if it can it still keep that title? Justin On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:46 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: The cave mentioned in that 1840 newspaper article in NSS Bulletin 10 is not Austin Caverns, which is indeed north of the river and near Lake Austin. There was a mistake made by the author and the 1840 newspaper article is actually describing Bandit Cave in south Austin. Jerry Atkinson. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:57 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Bill's post mentioned something about the cave being in the hills. My fuzzy recollection of the neighborhood of the cave I was in was in an area that was flat by Austin standards, whereas across the river as the report stated is where the hills are. I only know 2 cavers that know where the storm sewer entrance is, and I presumed everybody in Austin knew exactly where it was. Maybe I am thinking of a different cave ? David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.net 512-797-4734 Box 40056 Austin, TX 78704 we need to start using our collective intelligence in a creative, clear and coherent manner - John Trudell -- Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.net 512-797-4734 Box 40056 Austin, TX 78704 we need to start using our collective intelligence in a creative, clear and coherent manner - John Trudell ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
Wow, that would be really cool. I unsuccessfully tried to locate it back in the 90s with directions from an issue of the Texas Caver. There was a little map of the existing cave, too. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: The City of Austin - Watershed Cave Team is trying to put together a report about Austin Caverns, and we'd like some input from cavers who've actually been in there! Big questions are: Is the north part horizontal, how high are the ceilings, etc.. Also are there cavers interested in an effort to preserve the cave if lots to the entrance were acquired? Is this cave worth messing with or is it too unstable? But really, any information we can get from people who've actually been in the cave, would be super helpful. If we can get the report sent in on time, we have a good shot at getting permission to work on the cave, which means volunteer opportunities for you, yes YOU! to come and be instrumental in getting Austin Caverns back open! Please contact me off-list if you have been to the cave and can lend some insight! trog...@cavechat.org -Heather Tucek -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček UT Grotto, DFW Grotto TSA Secretary Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
Has anyone crawled thru the metal pipe at the bottom of the storm drain since the last big flood in that area ? It has been 20 years for me, but my recollection was that some one could get hurt if that fell. I think I kicked it to see if it was loose, and it did not budge, but it was suspended in air about 16 inches with little holding it. It must weigh 300 pounds. Also the concrete floor of the storm drain had nothing under for support, just an air space almost big enough to enter The void under the road was big enough to stand in, if you looked thru a gap in the storm drain. The crawl passage was filled with leaves. Looked like a good place to get bit by something. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
Sometime in 1993, I think, I convinced some Aggie Cavers to dig in the cave. We called it Project R.A.C.K. (Restoration of Austin Caverns and Karst ) We rented a Uhaul trailer and tied a bucket and pulley to the tree next to the entrance. We filled up the trailer with dirt. They all thought I was crazy, but I was going on the best information I had at the time. They mutined on me. I returned solo twice I think after several failed bids to keep the project alive. I realized it was futile, and gave up. I did make a faithful effort to invite cavers I knew to come. This was before I had email, I think, so I remember doing lots of cold calling. I only crawled a few feet into the cave. The ground around the culvert under the street was a void and it appeared to be on the verge of collapsing. At least one other storm sewer nearby drain into the cave, as I got an ice-chest of cold water dumped on me by a resident while digging. David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
heather, katie again
I was actually IN Austin caverns not too long before the washout/closing. That
old map reflects areas that are completely silted shut to the depth of feet,
and the big water pipe in it was being washed under. Main drop in about half
of goat cave (manhole). Stoop passage on top of the silt. And i KNOW that
william thinks it can’t be excavated again, or did. It’s dicey, actually kind
of scary. and it can’t have gotten better with the apartment house runoff
going into the storm drain. Let me know if you want william to call you
tomorrow, and what time/number.
Katie
On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
The City of Austin - Watershed Cave Team is trying to put together a report
about Austin Caverns, and we'd like some input from cavers who've actually been
in there! Big questions are: Is the north part horizontal, how high are the
ceilings, etc.. Also are there cavers interested in an effort to preserve the
cave if lots to the entrance were acquired? Is this cave worth messing with or
is it too unstable?
But really, any information we can get from people who've actually been in the
cave, would be super helpful. If we can get the report sent in on time, we have
a good shot at getting permission to work on the cave, which means volunteer
opportunities for you, yes YOU! to come and be instrumental in getting Austin
Caverns back open!
Please contact me off-list if you have been to the cave and can lend some
insight!
trog...@cavechat.orgmailto:trog...@cavechat.org
-Heather Tucek
--
Go find out!
-Heather Tuček
UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
TSA Secretary Membership Chair
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
trog...@cavechat.orgmailto:trog...@cavechat.org
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