RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices
This BB Brain doesn't watch BBC. Fritz From: Ted Samsel [mailto:tbsam...@infionline.net] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:13 PM To: Fritz Holt; Don Cooper; Philip L Moss Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices Fritz: With China, India and **Russia** demanding more oil and gasoline, the supply can't keep up The Russkies are making mega rubles with the oild gas, BTW.. and selling it to the Euros... doncha watch BBC? T. http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/
RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices
OT if you ask me. Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: This BB Brain doesn't watch BBC. Fritz From: Ted Samsel [mailto:tbsam...@infionline.net] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:13 PM To: Fritz Holt; Don Cooper; Philip L Moss Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices Fritz: With China, India and **Russia** demanding more oil and gasoline, the supply can't keep up The Russkies are making mega rubles with the oild gas, BTW.. and selling it to the Euros... doncha watch BBC? T. http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices
Fritz: With China, India and **Russia** demanding more oil and gasoline, the supply can’t keep upThe Russkies are making mega rubles with the oild gas, BTW.. and selling it to the Euros... doncha watch BBC? T. http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices
Wavy, I guess I only qualify as a Butt Head as I drive a 210 HP Ford Exploder that only gets 20 MPG highway. As has been mentioned, a big part of the problem is S D. With China, India and Russia demanding more oil and gasoline, the supply can't keep up. I feel a little pain but I am with Philip in that I am just glad that I can buy the gas. It was about 1974 or 75 when it was so scarce that I had to know a local official in Hondo to be able to buy gas there for a caving trip further west. I don't have the solution but I still believe that it is in the best interest of all US citizens that congress open all accessible areas to environmentally safe drilling. Happy Motoring, as one of the major oil companies used to advertise. Fritz From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:43 AM To: Philip L Moss Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices No - but I would give my left nut to go back to the days that gas was 1.05 a gallon, when I was making only $19.00 an hour with excellent health benefits and rent, including paid utilities were only $500 a month. Basically, you can blame a lot of the current energy situation, worldwide, on assholes who feel like they are ENTITLED to drive 350hp giant SUVs everyday everywhere for anything. -WaV On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Philip L Moss philipm...@juno.commailto:philipm...@juno.com wrote: Do you want your income to revert to what it was when gas was $0.699/gal. also? Personally, I find it less painful to fill up today than I did in the mid-1970s. BTW - gas prices in some places in the US in 1906 was $1.06/gallon. Inflation calculators say that is equivalent to over $25/gal. in 2008 dollars. 1906 was the first year anyone drove from coast to coast in the US and it the trip cost about $8,000 in 1906 dollars (fuel, food, maintenance, and a mechanic's salary for the trip). There is a movie called Horatio's Drive about the trip. Energy prices have been high before, just not much in living memory. BTW - we do have subsidized gas prices in the US. There are numerous tax breaks specifically for oil companies, their waste is never treated as expensively as the same waste from other industries, and I don't believe that the American people are getting fair market royalties for oil produced from public lands. Philip L. Moss philipm...@juno.commailto:philipm...@juno.com Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.commailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com writes: snip Yipes! I remember when I thought I was being ripped off at $0.699/gal. Gimme back those days!!! Paralegal Scholarship - Click Now!http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/Ioyw6i3oICiLm0XB7pSJ1wnWLbfX3gH3ezJkfg41qRSLq5GGirl2WL/
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:27:39 -0500 fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: Wavy, I guess I only qualify as a Butt Head as I drive a 210 HP Ford Exploder that only gets 20 MPG highway. Your 20MPG Exploder is very good. Compare that to a certain caver's 13MPG Jeep! How did I get that 13MPG number? In Barnhart, I gassed up to full. Then drove to Ozona, then gassed up to full again. The amount of gas needed to fill the tank back up in Ozona = 2.5 gallons. Calculations: 32 miles from Barnhart to Ozona used up 2.5 gallons = 13 MPG. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Lyndon, We all have to make sacrifices for our pleasures. Fritz -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:27:39 -0500 fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: Wavy, I guess I only qualify as a Butt Head as I drive a 210 HP Ford Exploder that only gets 20 MPG highway. Your 20MPG Exploder is very good. Compare that to a certain caver's 13MPG Jeep! How did I get that 13MPG number? In Barnhart, I gassed up to full. Then drove to Ozona, then gassed up to full again. The amount of gas needed to fill the tank back up in Ozona = 2.5 gallons. Calculations: 32 miles from Barnhart to Ozona used up 2.5 gallons = 13 MPG. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices
Sorry for name calling, but... Big time consumption has been egging on the S D equation for a long time now. The fact that the most recent hyper-spike in price has only curbed consumption marginally just goes to show how lucky we've been so far (In other words, I feel like its fortunate that it hasnt been like this for years instead of months). I too remember what it was like when SUPPLY was down - based on the Arab oil Embargo - odd thing back then I seem to recall very little price gouging - but the worldwide price of crude didn't go over $20 even when there was a shortage of it. But yeah - that was a much larger dollar. What we are experiencing now are the first bands of thunderstorms generated by a MF of a hurricane. The fact that fuel consumption efficiency has steadily DECREASED since 1987 with our testosterone-driven 'gotta have more power and size' consumerism has advanced our progress toward the brink. Consumerism isn't the reason the brink exists. Escalades and Hummers aren't the reason we're running out of petroleum resources, they are why we are running out sooner than we should have. -WaV On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: Wavy, I guess I only qualify as a Butt Head as I drive a 210 HP Ford *Exploder*that only gets 20 MPG highway. As has been mentioned, a big part of the problem is S D. With China, India and Russia demanding more oil and gasoline, the supply can't keep up. I feel a little pain but I am with Philip in that I am just glad that I can buy the gas. It was about 1974 or 75 when it was so scarce that I had to know a local official in Hondo to be able to buy gas there for a caving trip further west. I don't have the solution but I still believe that it is in the best interest of all US citizens that congress open all accessible areas to environmentally safe drilling. Happy Motoring, as one of the major oil companies used to advertise. Fritz -- *From:* Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2008 12:43 AM *To:* Philip L Moss *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices No - but I would give my left nut to go back to the days that gas was 1.05 a gallon, when I was making only $19.00 an hour with excellent health benefits and rent, including paid utilities were only $500 a month. Basically, you can blame a lot of the current energy situation, worldwide, on assholes who feel like they are ENTITLED to drive 350hp giant SUVs everyday everywhere for anything. -WaV On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Philip L Moss philipm...@juno.com wrote: Do you want your income to revert to what it was when gas was $0.699/gal. also? Personally, I find it less painful to fill up today than I did in the mid-1970s. BTW - gas prices in some places in the US in 1906 was $1.06/gallon. Inflation calculators say that is equivalent to over $25/gal. in 2008 dollars. 1906 was the first year anyone drove from coast to coast in the US and it the trip cost about $8,000 in 1906 dollars (fuel, food, maintenance, and a mechanic's salary for the trip). There is a movie called Horatio's Drive about the trip. Energy prices have been high before, just not much in living memory. BTW - we do have subsidized gas prices in the US. There are numerous tax breaks specifically for oil companies, their waste is never treated as expensively as the same waste from other industries, and I don't believe that the American people are getting fair market royalties for oil produced from public lands. Philip L. Moss philipm...@juno.com Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com writes: snip Yipes! I remember when I thought I was being ripped off at $0.699/gal. Gimme back those days!!! Paralegal Scholarship - Click Now!http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/Ioyw6i3oICiLm0XB7pSJ1wnWLbfX3gH3ezJkfg41qRSLq5GGirl2WL/
[ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices
Wavy, My skin is thick but I didn't take it personally anyway. None of us feel that we are the culprit. Fritz From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:00 AM To: Fritz Holt Cc: o...@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices Sorry for name calling, but... Big time consumption has been egging on the S D equation for a long time now. The fact that the most recent hyper-spike in price has only curbed consumption marginally just goes to show how lucky we've been so far (In other words, I feel like its fortunate that it hasnt been like this for years instead of months). I too remember what it was like when SUPPLY was down - based on the Arab oil Embargo - odd thing back then I seem to recall very little price gouging - but the worldwide price of crude didn't go over $20 even when there was a shortage of it. But yeah - that was a much larger dollar. What we are experiencing now are the first bands of thunderstorms generated by a MF of a hurricane. The fact that fuel consumption efficiency has steadily DECREASED since 1987 with our testosterone-driven 'gotta have more power and size' consumerism has advanced our progress toward the brink. Consumerism isn't the reason the brink exists. Escalades and Hummers aren't the reason we're running out of petroleum resources, they are why we are running out sooner than we should have. -WaV On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: Wavy, I guess I only qualify as a Butt Head as I drive a 210 HP Ford Exploder that only gets 20 MPG highway. As has been mentioned, a big part of the problem is S D. With China, India and Russia demanding more oil and gasoline, the supply can't keep up. I feel a little pain but I am with Philip in that I am just glad that I can buy the gas. It was about 1974 or 75 when it was so scarce that I had to know a local official in Hondo to be able to buy gas there for a caving trip further west. I don't have the solution but I still believe that it is in the best interest of all US citizens that congress open all accessible areas to environmentally safe drilling. Happy Motoring, as one of the major oil companies used to advertise. Fritz From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.commailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:43 AM To: Philip L Moss Cc: texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices No - but I would give my left nut to go back to the days that gas was 1.05 a gallon, when I was making only $19.00 an hour with excellent health benefits and rent, including paid utilities were only $500 a month. Basically, you can blame a lot of the current energy situation, worldwide, on assholes who feel like they are ENTITLED to drive 350hp giant SUVs everyday everywhere for anything. -WaV On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Philip L Moss philipm...@juno.commailto:philipm...@juno.com wrote: Do you want your income to revert to what it was when gas was $0.699/gal. also? Personally, I find it less painful to fill up today than I did in the mid-1970s. BTW - gas prices in some places in the US in 1906 was $1.06/gallon. Inflation calculators say that is equivalent to over $25/gal. in 2008 dollars. 1906 was the first year anyone drove from coast to coast in the US and it the trip cost about $8,000 in 1906 dollars (fuel, food, maintenance, and a mechanic's salary for the trip). There is a movie called Horatio's Drive about the trip. Energy prices have been high before, just not much in living memory. BTW - we do have subsidized gas prices in the US. There are numerous tax breaks specifically for oil companies, their waste is never treated as expensively as the same waste from other industries, and I don't believe that the American people are getting fair market royalties for oil produced from public lands. Philip L. Moss philipm...@juno.commailto:philipm...@juno.com Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.commailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com writes: snip Yipes! I remember when I thought I was being ripped off at $0.699/gal. Gimme back those days!!! Paralegal Scholarship - Click Now!http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/Ioyw6i3oICiLm0XB7pSJ1wnWLbfX3gH3ezJkfg41qRSLq5GGirl2WL/
Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:51:24 -0500 fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: Lyndon, We all have to make sacrifices for our pleasures. Fritz I made the sacrifice willingly and I had lots of fun. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices
Answers IN CAPS below Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of gas and caving. Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? YES Are you still caving as much but closer to home or are you caving less frequently but on longer trips. NO Have you switched to a smaller vehicle or are you car pooling more. NO Have you seen the number of folks attending grotto meetings increase or decline over the last 6 months? NO CHANGE What will be the long term impact on caving? EVENTUALLY ADJUST TO IT, BUDGET MORE Geary - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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My observation: People are now asking for carpooling opportunites rather than driving alone without asking if others are making the same trip. On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:19:38 -0500 gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of gas and caving. Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? Are you still caving as much but closer to home or are you caving less frequently but on longer trips. Have you switched to a smaller vehicle or are you car pooling more. Have you seen the number of folks attending grotto meetings increase or decline over the last 6 months? What will be the long term impact on caving? Geary - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Hey, Lyndon! I agree with you. As much as I enjoy tooling down by myself or with the kiddos on caving trips in my big diesel F250, I may have to consider splitting the fuel costs with someone on future trips. As long as they enjoy listening to SRV and don't beat me down with stories about themselves or genealogy talk, we'll be OK. Later, Mark A. -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:26 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices My observation: People are now asking for carpooling opportunites rather than driving alone without asking if others are making the same trip. On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:19:38 -0500 gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of gas and caving. Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? Are you still caving as much but closer to home or are you caving less frequently but on longer trips. Have you switched to a smaller vehicle or are you car pooling more. Have you seen the number of folks attending grotto meetings increase or decline over the last 6 months? What will be the long term impact on caving? Geary - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices
Good quiz, Geary. I'll answer below: -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:20 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of gas and caving. Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? Yes. It's the reason we didn't come down to the last Punkin/Deep work weekend. Are you still caving as much but closer to home or are you caving less frequently but on longer trips. I wish we could cave close to DFW, but that's geologically impossible. We're caving less. We decided against going to CaCa and Colorado this summer, even with free use of a cabin, because of fuel costs. Have you switched to a smaller vehicle or are you car pooling more. C. Driving a lot less and we've switched vehicles. My wife drives to work here in town in my F250 and I'm driving her car 20 miles to work. Have you seen the number of folks attending grotto meetings increase or decline over the last 6 months? N/A. Don't go. What will be the long term impact on caving? More carpooling and less participation, unfortunately. Geary - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:34:12 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: As long as they enjoy listening to SRV and don't beat me down with stories about themselves or genealogy talk, we'll be OK. ... or talk about religion and politics? -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I disagree, Fritz. I totally blame you for everything. 8^) Later, (a punchy) Mark A. From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:01 AM To: Don Cooper Cc: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices Wavy, My skin is thick but I didn't take it personally anyway. None of us feel that we are the culprit. Fritz
RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices
I don't mind that, Lyndon. Although, my blood pressure may rise and I may accidentally drive us into tree. Mark -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:40 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:34:12 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: As long as they enjoy listening to SRV and don't beat me down with stories about themselves or genealogy talk, we'll be OK. ... or talk about religion and politics? -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Lyndon, Sounds like a very long drive back to Houston with George last weekend. My condolences. Anyway, thought George would like that comment. :) Geary -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:40 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:34:12 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: As long as they enjoy listening to SRV and don't beat me down with stories about themselves or genealogy talk, we'll be OK. ... or talk about religion and politics? -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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OK, I'll bite. On Jul 18, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Geary Schindel wrote: Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of gas and caving. Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? No, the balance of time to be spent on family/work/caving is the limiting factor in my decision to go caving on any given weekend. Are you still caving as much but closer to home or are you caving less frequently but on longer trips. Still caving as much as the family and work will allow, generally twice a month. Have you switched to a smaller vehicle or are you car pooling more. Always car pooled to caving events both near and far, so that hasn't changed any. Started riding my bike to and from work (10-mile one-way journey) a few days a week, though this has very little to do with the price of gas and more with needing to find some time to exercise. Have you seen the number of folks attending grotto meetings increase or decline over the last 6 months? The relative number has remained fairly steady, but with the departure of some of the old-timers we now have a new mix of younger people, including an increase in interest from foreign cavers (India, Israel, Belgium). What will be the long term impact on caving? Maybe this will lead to a reduction in (sub)urban sprawl in karst areas and improve the environmental quality of the karst and aquifers. One can hope, at least. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Many like to place the blame for the decrease in CAFE on the new big SUV's, however one other reason is that as we increase the regulations on emissions we decrease the efficiency of the engines. Compare the same engine in the same makes fuel econemy for a late 80's and a late 90's car and you will note that the emmissions are down, as is the power and mpg. Fuel efficent gasoline IC engines need to run at high compressions which increases the bad combustion byproducts. Fuel efficiency has made a good increase in the older large v8's look at the mpg of full sized trucks and muscle cars they have had a steady increase from a standard of around 12 to upwards of 20 mpg on the hwy. At the same time cars that used to get about to 40mpg are now only getting about 30mpg, or have been discontinued because of poor sales or the inability to make current emissions standards (or current safety standards). Terry H. Don Cooper wrote: Sorry for name calling, but... Big time consumption has been egging on the S D equation for a long time now. The fact that the most recent hyper-spike in price has only curbed consumption marginally just goes to show how lucky we've been so far (In other words, I feel like its fortunate that it hasnt been like this for years instead of months) I too remember what it was like when SUPPLY was down - based on the Arab oil Embargo - odd thing back then I seem to recall very little price gouging - but the worldwide price of crude didn't go over $20 even when there was a shortage of it. But yeah - that was a much larger dollar. What we are experiencing now are the first bands of thunderstorms generated by a MF of a hurricane. The fact that fuel consumption efficiency has steadily DECREASED since 1987 with our testosterone-driven 'gotta have more power and size' consumerism has advanced our progress toward the brink. Consumerism isn't the reason the brink exists. Escalades and Hummers aren't the reason we're running out of petroleum resources, they are why we are running out sooner than we should have. -WaV On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: Wavy, I guess I only qualify as a Butt Head as I drive a 210 HP Ford *Exploder*that only gets 20 MPG highway. As has been mentioned, a big part of the problem is S D. With China, India and Russia demanding more oil and gasoline, the supply can't keep up. I feel a little pain but I am with Philip in that I am just glad that I can buy the gas. It was about 1974 or 75 when it was so scarce that I had to know a local official in Hondo to be able to buy gas there for a caving trip further west. I don't have the solution but I still believe that it is in the best interest of all US citizens that congress open all accessible areas to environmentally safe drilling. Happy Motoring, as one of the major oil companies used to advertise. Fritz -- *From:* Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2008 12:43 AM *To:* Philip L Moss *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices No - but I would give my left nut to go back to the days that gas was 1.05 a gallon, when I was making only $19.00 an hour with excellent health benefits and rent, including paid utilities were only $500 a month. Basically, you can blame a lot of the current energy situation, worldwide, on assholes who feel like they are ENTITLED to drive 350hp giant SUVs everyday everywhere for anything. -WaV On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Philip L Moss philipm...@juno.com wrote: Do you want your income to revert to what it was when gas was $0.699/gal. also? Personally, I find it less painful to fill up today than I did in the mid-1970s. BTW - gas prices in some places in the US in 1906 was $1.06/gallon. Inflation calculators say that is equivalent to over $25/gal. in 2008 dollars. 1906 was the first year anyone drove from coast to coast in the US and it the trip cost about $8,000 in 1906 dollars (fuel, food, maintenance, and a mechanic's salary for the trip). There is a movie called Horatio's Drive about the trip. Energy prices have been high before, just not much in living memory. BTW - we do have subsidized gas prices in the US. There are numerous tax breaks specifically for oil companies, their waste is never treated as expensively as the same waste from other industries, and I don't believe that the American people are getting fair market royalties for oil produced from public lands. Philip L. Moss philipm...@juno.com Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com writes: snip Yipes! I remember when I thought I was being ripped off at $0.699/gal. Gimme back those days!!! Paralegal Scholarship - Click Now!http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/Ioyw6i3oICiLm0XB7pSJ1wnWLbfX3gH3ezJkfg41qRSLq5GGirl2WL
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And why is that? I don't think I've ever seen you at a grotto meet, and we have 3 in the metroplex. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:40 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Have you seen the number of folks attending grotto meetings increase or decline over the last 6 months? N/A. Don't go.
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A couple of reasons, Charles: I live in Mesquite, so all are quite a drive for me. Being an officer of the TSA, I feel I can serve the Texas caving community better in an at-large level, rather than belong to any one grotto and get caught up in the petty bickering and pissing matches we've been witness to around here the last couple of years. Thirdly, there are a few personalities that I have philosophical differences with and, maybe once they aren't involved any longer, I'll become more active in the area grottos. (A couple have already left or are no longer involved). My feelings, frankly, were quite hurt after being a DFWG member and newsletter editor for a number of years before my late wife took ill with cancer and there was not a word of condolences or a visit or email from anyone when she died. The DFWG always seemed cliquish to me and never made me feel like a true member. Things may be getting better, but, see number 3. Finally, I'm just lazy and don't feel like fighting the traffic. Guess that about sums it up. My hard work seems to be better appreciated and I can and have accomplished more (and cave all I want, anyway) at the state level than at the local level. Thanks for asking, though. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:38 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices And why is that? I don't think I've ever seen you at a grotto meet, and we have 3 in the metroplex. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:40 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Have you seen the number of folks attending grotto meetings increase or decline over the last 6 months? N/A. Don't go.
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I understand Mark, I stayed away from the local grottos for several years because of the bickering and politics. I'm fortunate that I live and work just a few miles away from REI. DFWG has gotten a lot better in the last couple of years, mainly cause several people don't come anymore or have moved away. Bill Steele is doing a great job of keeping things running smoothly and I've enjoyed the meetings since I've been a member. Plus I like to rumble things every now and then with talk of merging the 3 grottos, gets everyone up in arms and gets a lot more people involved for a short time, even if its just to show up and voice their opinions on the matter :) But don't worry, I'm not scheduled to shake things up for at least another year. Keep up the good work with the TSA, it is needed, whether a lot of people think so or not. Charles On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:15 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: A couple of reasons, Charles: I live in Mesquite, so all are quite a drive for me. Being an officer of the TSA, I feel I can serve the Texas caving community better in an at-large level, rather than belong to any one grotto and get caught up in the petty bickering and pissing matches we've been witness to around here the last couple of years. Thirdly, there are a few personalities that I have philosophical differences with and, maybe once they aren't involved any longer, I'll become more active in the area grottos. (A couple have already left or are no longer involved). My feelings, frankly, were quite hurt after being a DFWG member and newsletter editor for a number of years before my late wife took ill with cancer and there was not a word of condolences or a visit or email from anyone when she died. The DFWG always seemed cliquish to me and never made me feel like a true member. Things may be getting better, but, see number 3. Finally, I'm just lazy and don't feel like fighting the traffic. Guess that about sums it up. My hard work seems to be better appreciated and I can and have accomplished more (and cave all I want, anyway) at the state level than at the local level. Thanks for asking, though. Mark -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:38 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices And why is that? I don't think I've ever seen you at a grotto meet, and we have 3 in the metroplex. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:40 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Have you seen the number of folks attending grotto meetings increase or decline over the last 6 months? N/A. Don't go.
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You can't even give those things away in Oregon. You see them sitting roadside along with Hummers with big For Sale signs in the windshield. They've been sitting there so long that most of the signs are faded and have spidey webs on them. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:43:17 -0500From: wavycaver@gmail.comTo: philipmoss@juno.comCC: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices No - but I would give my left nut to go back to the days that gas was 1.05 a gallon, when I was making only $19.00 an hour with excellent health benefits and rent, including paid utilities were only $500 a month.Basically, you can blame a lot of the current energy situation, worldwide, on assholes who feel like they are ENTITLED to drive 350hp giant SUVs everyday everywhere for anything.-WaV On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Philip L Moss philipm...@juno.com wrote: Do you want your income to revert to what it was when gas was $0.699/gal. also? Personally, I find it less painful to fill up today than I did in the mid-1970s. BTW - gas prices in some places in the US in 1906 was $1.06/gallon. Inflation calculators say that is equivalent to over $25/gal. in 2008 dollars. 1906 was the first year anyone drove from coast to coast in the US and it the trip cost about $8,000 in 1906 dollars (fuel, food, maintenance, and a mechanic's salary for the trip). There is a movie called Horatio's Drive about the trip. Energy prices have been high before, just not much in living memory. BTW - we do have subsidized gas prices in the US. There are numerous tax breaks specifically for oil companies, their waste is never treated as expensively as the same waste from other industries, and I don't believe that the American people are getting fair market royalties for oil produced from public lands. Philip L. mossphilipm...@juno.com Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com writes: snip Yipes! I remember when I thought I was being ripped off at $0.699/gal. Gimme back those days!!! Paralegal Scholarship - Click Now!
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I used to drive a '67 Chevy Suburban with 4wd that got about 18 mpg on the road because it didn't have any pollution control devices on it. Happy Mexico memories with that one. Gee I wish I had it back. From: fholt@townandcountryins.comTo: wavyca...@gmail.com; philipmoss@juno.comCC: texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:27:39 -0500Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices Wavy, I guess I only qualify as a Butt Head as I drive a 210 HP Ford Exploder that only gets 20 MPG highway. As has been mentioned, a big part of the problem is S D. With China, India and Russia demanding more oil and gasoline, the supply can’t keep up. I feel a little pain but I am with Philip in that I am just glad that I can buy the gas. It was about 1974 or 75 when it was so scarce that I had to know a local official in Hondo to be able to buy gas there for a caving trip further west. I don’t have the solution but I still believe that it is in the best interest of all US citizens that congress open all accessible areas to environmentally safe drilling. Happy Motoring, as one of the major oil companies used to advertise. Fritz From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:43 AMTo: Philip L MossCc: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices No - but I would give my left nut to go back to the days that gas was 1.05 a gallon, when I was making only $19.00 an hour with excellent health benefits and rent, including paid utilities were only $500 a month.Basically, you can blame a lot of the current energy situation, worldwide, on assholes who feel like they are ENTITLED to drive 350hp giant SUVs everyday everywhere for anything.-WaV On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Philip L Moss philipm...@juno.com wrote: Do you want your income to revert to what it was when gas was $0.699/gal. also? Personally, I find it less painful to fill up today than I did in the mid-1970s. BTW - gas prices in some places in the US in 1906 was $1.06/gallon. Inflation calculators say that is equivalent to over $25/gal. in 2008 dollars. 1906 was the first year anyone drove from coast to coast in the US and it the trip cost about $8,000 in 1906 dollars (fuel, food, maintenance, and a mechanic's salary for the trip). There is a movie called Horatio's Drive about the trip. Energy prices have been high before, just not much in living memory. BTW - we do have subsidized gas prices in the US. There are numerous tax breaks specifically for oil companies, their waste is never treated as expensively as the same waste from other industries, and I don't believe that the American people are getting fair market royalties for oil produced from public lands. Philip L. mossphilipm...@juno.com Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com writes: snip Yipes! I remember when I thought I was being ripped off at $0.699/gal. Gimme back those days!!! Paralegal Scholarship - Click Now!
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Since I can't cave anymore, I'd have to say no to whether or not it changed my caving habits, but it sure has changed my travel habits. I don't just get in my little 98 Ford Ranger and go like I used to. One thing I have noticed around here is that on Sundays (when a friend and I treat ourselves to lunch out and a movie), there's almost nobody in the restaurants. Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:19:38 -0500 From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] OT- gas prices Couple of questions for the Texas Caver use group related to the price of gas and caving. Has the price of gas changed your caving habits? Are you still caving as much but closer to home or are you caving less frequently but on longer trips. Have you switched to a smaller vehicle or are you car pooling more. Have you seen the number of folks attending grotto meetings increase or decline over the last 6 months? What will be the long term impact on caving? Geary - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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No - but I would give my left nut to go back to the days that gas was 1.05 a gallon, when I was making only $19.00 an hour with excellent health benefits and rent, including paid utilities were only $500 a month. Basically, you can blame a lot of the current energy situation, worldwide, on assholes who feel like they are ENTITLED to drive 350hp giant SUVs everyday everywhere for anything. -WaV On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Philip L Moss philipm...@juno.com wrote: Do you want your income to revert to what it was when gas was $0.699/gal. also? Personally, I find it less painful to fill up today than I did in the mid-1970s. BTW - gas prices in some places in the US in 1906 was $1.06/gallon. Inflation calculators say that is equivalent to over $25/gal. in 2008 dollars. 1906 was the first year anyone drove from coast to coast in the US and it the trip cost about $8,000 in 1906 dollars (fuel, food, maintenance, and a mechanic's salary for the trip). There is a movie called Horatio's Drive about the trip. Energy prices have been high before, just not much in living memory. BTW - we do have subsidized gas prices in the US. There are numerous tax breaks specifically for oil companies, their waste is never treated as expensively as the same waste from other industries, and I don't believe that the American people are getting fair market royalties for oil produced from public lands. Philip L. Moss philipm...@juno.com Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com writes: snip Yipes! I remember when I thought I was being ripped off at $0.699/gal. Gimme back those days!!! Paralegal Scholarship - Click Now!http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2142/fc/Ioyw6i3oICiLm0XB7pSJ1wnWLbfX3gH3ezJkfg41qRSLq5GGirl2WL/
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DL writes If gas hits $ 3.50 a gallon in July, I will have to alter my plans to go to the NSS Convention. I do not believe it will hit $ 4 unless there is a unexpected disaster somewhere that affects the oil industry. Well then, let's hope that the disaster is *expected*. I've got a better idea, let's make the driver's license test more difficult so we reduce the number of people driving NCC
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Think about the cost it takes to refine drinking water as opposed gasoline. I never hear anyone complain about the price of water. Back in the 70's the gas crisis was a big deal, the price of it went up and the economy car was the new standard. We all know now that was a giant lie. Are these hybred cars going to become the new Ford Pintos? It cost me about eight more dollars to drive to Carlsbad now, Oh, I'm such a victim. _ More photos, more messages, more storage�get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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The company is entering the market with a high end sports car. Obviously, few of us will be purchasing one of these. This is a smart idea, though, because they will quickly make lots of money on the high end cars, and the company will reach the 'spotlight' of american culture quickly. Each year they plan to introduce a more affordable car than the last, which admittedly will take time, but they are off on the right foot. I'm not saying it is the answer to the high priced gas, but I do think high priced gas will speed the transition along. David, I don't think we'll be using gasoline by the date you mention, at least, I hope not. Kara - Original Message From: Ed Alexander eda...@realtime.net Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:59:01 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers]OT gas prices For $92,000 you can buy a lot of $4 gas. Kara Savvas wrote: ABC did a story on this company, that is entering the market with a fancy sports car, http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I predict that unless hybrid vehicles can at least double the mileage of the same model non-hybrid that most people will wise-up to the fact that they are not economically feasible given the higher cost and the expensive battery replacement. You will not be able to give them away if you want a new vehicle when it is getting near the end of the battery expected life. If economy is the main objective, there are numerous non-hybrids which get at least 40 mpg. Fritz -Original Message- From: Tim Kohtz [mailto:tko...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:39 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers]OT gas prices Think about the cost it takes to refine drinking water as opposed gasoline. I never hear anyone complain about the price of water. Back in the 70's the gas crisis was a big deal, the price of it went up and the economy car was the new standard. We all know now that was a giant lie. Are these hybred cars going to become the new Ford Pintos? It cost me about eight more dollars to drive to Carlsbad now, Oh, I'm such a victim. _ More photos, more messages, more storage-get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migr ation_HM_mini_2G_0507 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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On May 21, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Fritz Holt wrote: I predict that unless hybrid vehicles can at least double the mileage of the same model non-hybrid that most people will wise-up to the fact that they are not economically feasible given the higher cost and the expensive battery replacement. You will not be able to give them away if you want a new vehicle when it is getting near the end of the battery expected life. If economy is the main objective, there are numerous non-hybrids which get at least 40 mpg. Fritz --- Don Arburn moom...@fnbnet.net 2009 15th International Congress of Speology Transportation Coordinator NSS# 56822L - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Let me try this again, with actual text this time. Hybrids carry around a huge weight in batteries and usually have little room for groceries. A family of four would have a tough time carrying all their gear for a weekend outing, not to mention the expense and hassle of replacing batteries regularly. On May 21, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Fritz Holt wrote: I predict that unless hybrid vehicles can at least double the mileage of the same model non-hybrid that most people will wise-up to the fact that they are not economically feasible given the higher cost and the expensive battery replacement. You will not be able to give them away if you want a new vehicle when it is getting near the end of the battery expected life. If economy is the main objective, there are numerous non-hybrids which get at least 40 mpg. Fritz - Don moom...@fnbnet.net - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Too true. I hate high gas prices. At the same time that I cringe while filling up, I try bring myself to say a word of thanks to the same high prices for getting closer to something more realistic to the cost of gas and more importantly, (hopefully) fueling interest in new techonology and conservation. ABC did a story on this company, that is entering the market with a fancy sports car, and plans to release more and more affordable cars each year, that do not compromise style or function while eliminating gasoline. Then we just have to do something about where we get our electricity from. I couldn't find the ABC link again but I found the company's home page. http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 Kara - Original Message From: vivb...@att.net vivb...@att.net To: Bill Mixon billmi...@worldnet.att.net; CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:08:00 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers]OT gas prices Until the price of gas actually reflects the costs of extracting it and using it, (way more than the artificially low $3 or $4 per gallon we're talking about) the earth is in serious jeopardy. The only thing that will ever make people conserve is economic pressure. The price of each gallon of gas should include the health costs of smog, the long term costs of global warming, and highway construction and maintenance costs (including the destruction and fragmentation of wilderness). Then all government subsidies and tax breaks for oil and gas should be eliminated. Gas really costs WAY more than gas costs now. We should be paying what it costs. -- Original message -- From: Bill Mixon billmi...@worldnet.att.net Back some months ago, when gas prices were lower, I actually saw $1.99 a gallon at one station. I was tempted to go in, although I would have needed only a couple of gallons, just on principle. It might help if you-know-who would stop making wars in the Middle East and shut up about Iran. Don't suppose we can do much about the fact that Nigeria is lawless.--Mixon --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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For $92,000 you can buy a lot of $4 gas. Kara Savvas wrote: ABC did a story on this company, that is entering the market with a fancy sports car, http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Until the price of gas actually reflects the costs of extracting it and using it, (way more than the artificially low $3 or $4 per gallon we're talking about) the earth is in serious jeopardy. The only thing that will ever make people conserve is economic pressure. The price of each gallon of gas should include the health costs of smog, the long term costs of global warming, and highway construction and maintenance costs (including the destruction and fragmentation of wilderness). Then all government subsidies and tax breaks for oil and gas should be eliminated. Gas really costs WAY more than gas costs now. We should be paying what it costs. -- Original message -- From: Bill Mixon billmi...@worldnet.att.net Back some months ago, when gas prices were lower, I actually saw $1.99 a gallon at one station. I was tempted to go in, although I would have needed only a couple of gallons, just on principle. It might help if you-know-who would stop making wars in the Middle East and shut up about Iran. Don't suppose we can do much about the fact that Nigeria is lawless.--Mixon --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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$3.49 right now in Illinois. Sheesh. Barb -- David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think we will ever see $ 1.99 gas again?I don't think so. The cheapest I saw today was $ 2.96 at Phillips. Almost everybody else here ( in Houston ) was $ 2.99, but pumps in the upscale neighborhoods were up to $ 3.05. I rode my scooter all week to try to save some money - never once drove my car. There were a lot more 2 wheelers on the highway this week, especially late at night. And I am no longer the only Houstonian on the crazy freeways riding a scooter. My scooter has 3,000 miles on it now.I am getting 50 mpg. But there really is no overall savings in money, as the maintenance cost are 2 or 3 times what your gas savings are. I saw a vehicle yesterday on the roads of Houston, that I have only seen on TV in old movies. I am not sure what it was.It was some kind of 3 wheeled taxi like you would see in Bangledesh.He was only going about 25 mph. I think that shows how much the gas prices are affecting us. Late at night, it seems like there are fewer cars on the road.I wonder if people are going to stop doing things like going out to the movies because of the gas prices.Are you cutting back on your driving? If gas hits $ 3.50 a gallon in July, I will have to alter my plans to go to the NSS Convention. I do not believe it will hit $ 4 unless there is a unexpected disaster somewhere that affects the oil industry. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Price is $3.49 here in Michigan as wellmakes the drive to WV to cave a quite costly event. Mark On 5/18/07, bec_kar...@juno.com bec_kar...@juno.com wrote: $3.49 right now in Illinois. Sheesh. Barb -- David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think we will ever see $ 1.99 gas again?I don't think so. The cheapest I saw today was $ 2.96 at Phillips. Almost everybody else here ( in Houston ) was $ 2.99, but pumps in the upscale neighborhoods were up to $ 3.05. I rode my scooter all week to try to save some money - never once drove my car. There were a lot more 2 wheelers on the highway this week, especially late at night. And I am no longer the only Houstonian on the crazy freeways riding a scooter. My scooter has 3,000 miles on it now.I am getting 50 mpg. But there really is no overall savings in money, as the maintenance cost are 2 or 3 times what your gas savings are. I saw a vehicle yesterday on the roads of Houston, that I have only seen on TV in old movies. I am not sure what it was.It was some kind of 3 wheeled taxi like you would see in Bangledesh.He was only going about 25 mph. I think that shows how much the gas prices are affecting us. Late at night, it seems like there are fewer cars on the road.I wonder if people are going to stop doing things like going out to the movies because of the gas prices.Are you cutting back on your driving? If gas hits $ 3.50 a gallon in July, I will have to alter my plans to go to the NSS Convention. I do not believe it will hit $ 4 unless there is a unexpected disaster somewhere that affects the oil industry. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Mark Passerby RE/MAX Real Estate Professionals Technology Developer Ph. 517-896-4376 Web. www.Lansing.com E. webmas...@yourhomepros.com
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You know - its a whole lot easier to connect this situation to certain government administrators THAN it was to connect terrorism to certain countries What was the price of gas in 2000? (It had not gone over $1.60) (Geez - at these prices my wallet is feeling terrorized!) -WaV On 5/18/07, Mark Passerby caves...@gmail.com wrote: Price is $3.49 here in Michigan as wellmakes the drive to WV to cave a quite costly event. Mark On 5/18/07, bec_kar...@juno.com bec_kar...@juno.com wrote: $3.49 right now in Illinois. Sheesh. Barb -- David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think we will ever see $ 1.99 gas again?I don't think so. The cheapest I saw today was $ 2.96 at Phillips. Almost everybody else here ( in Houston ) was $ 2.99, but pumps in the upscale neighborhoods were up to $ 3.05. I rode my scooter all week to try to save some money - never once drove my car. There were a lot more 2 wheelers on the highway this week, especially late at night. And I am no longer the only Houstonian on the crazy freeways riding a scooter. My scooter has 3,000 miles on it now.I am getting 50 mpg. But there really is no overall savings in money, as the maintenance cost are 2 or 3 times what your gas savings are. I saw a vehicle yesterday on the roads of Houston, that I have only seen on TV in old movies. I am not sure what it was.It was some kind of 3 wheeled taxi like you would see in Bangledesh.He was only going about 25 mph. I think that shows how much the gas prices are affecting us. Late at night, it seems like there are fewer cars on the road.I wonder if people are going to stop doing things like going out to the movies because of the gas prices.Are you cutting back on your driving? If gas hits $ 3.50 a gallon in July, I will have to alter my plans to go to the NSS Convention. I do not believe it will hit $ 4 unless there is a unexpected disaster somewhere that affects the oil industry. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Mark Passerby RE/MAX Real Estate Professionals Technology Developer Ph. 517-896-4376 Web. www.Lansing.com E. webmas...@yourhomepros.com
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I think we need a war in the Middle East so us westerners can take over the oil fields and let capitalism keep that oil price down. Any takers on starting one? Cheers, Stefan From: Mark Passerby [mailto:caves...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:55 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - gas prices Price is $3.49 here in Michigan as wellmakes the drive to WV to cave a quite costly event. Mark On 5/18/07, bec_kar...@juno.com bec_kar...@juno.com wrote: $3.49 right now in Illinois. Sheesh. Barb -- David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think we will ever see $ 1.99 gas again?I don't think so. The cheapest I saw today was $ 2.96 at Phillips. Almost everybody else here ( in Houston ) was $ 2.99, but pumps in the upscale neighborhoods were up to $ 3.05. I rode my scooter all week to try to save some money - never once drove my car. There were a lot more 2 wheelers on the highway this week, especially late at night. And I am no longer the only Houstonian on the crazy freeways riding a scooter. My scooter has 3,000 miles on it now.I am getting 50 mpg. But there really is no overall savings in money, as the maintenance cost are 2 or 3 times what your gas savings are. I saw a vehicle yesterday on the roads of Houston, that I have only seen on TV in old movies. I am not sure what it was.It was some kind of 3 wheeled taxi like you would see in Bangledesh.He was only going about 25 mph. I think that shows how much the gas prices are affecting us. Late at night, it seems like there are fewer cars on the road.I wonder if people are going to stop doing things like going out to the movies because of the gas prices.Are you cutting back on your driving? If gas hits $ 3.50 a gallon in July, I will have to alter my plans to go to the NSS Convention. I do not believe it will hit $ 4 unless there is a unexpected disaster somewhere that affects the oil industry. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Mark Passerby RE/MAX Real Estate Professionals Technology Developer Ph. 517-896-4376 Web. www.Lansing.com E. webmas...@yourhomepros.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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Sam's Club regular gas was $2.89 last Friday but not sure this week. I don't like the high gas prices as I believe that the oil companies conspire to manipulate the supply to artificially increase the price at the beginning of May and through the summer when the population drives more. Oil companies have been making huge profits for the last couple of years but that has not always been the case, due in part to litigation. If gasoline prices fall below $2.00 a gallon it will probably mean that we will have a much greater problem with our economy than the price of gas. The last I heard the U.S. still had some of the cheapest gasoline on the planet. David, what would cause you to have high maintenance costs on your scooter? I was of the impression that those high quality Japanese machines were pretty much trouble free requiring only oil changes and regular maintenance. The three wheeled vehicle that you saw may have been an Isetta from the 50's or 60's. Ride carefully old friend and I hope that you wear a helmet. Fritz -Original Message- From: bec_kar...@juno.com [mailto:bec_kar...@juno.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:08 AM To: dlocklea...@gmail.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - gas prices $3.49 right now in Illinois. Sheesh. Barb -- David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think we will ever see $ 1.99 gas again?I don't think so. The cheapest I saw today was $ 2.96 at Phillips. Almost everybody else here ( in Houston ) was $ 2.99, but pumps in the upscale neighborhoods were up to $ 3.05. I rode my scooter all week to try to save some money - never once drove my car. There were a lot more 2 wheelers on the highway this week, especially late at night. And I am no longer the only Houstonian on the crazy freeways riding a scooter. My scooter has 3,000 miles on it now.I am getting 50 mpg. But there really is no overall savings in money, as the maintenance cost are 2 or 3 times what your gas savings are. I saw a vehicle yesterday on the roads of Houston, that I have only seen on TV in old movies. I am not sure what it was.It was some kind of 3 wheeled taxi like you would see in Bangledesh.He was only going about 25 mph. I think that shows how much the gas prices are affecting us. Late at night, it seems like there are fewer cars on the road.I wonder if people are going to stop doing things like going out to the movies because of the gas prices.Are you cutting back on your driving? If gas hits $ 3.50 a gallon in July, I will have to alter my plans to go to the NSS Convention. I do not believe it will hit $ 4 unless there is a unexpected disaster somewhere that affects the oil industry. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I saw on the news this morning that there is a gas station in CA selling for $4.99/gal. Even though it is in a remote location that is totally outrageous. Mary TZ - Original Message From: David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:22:38 PM Subject: [Texascavers] OT - gas prices Do you think we will ever see $ 1.99 gas again?I don't think so. The cheapest I saw today was $ 2.96 at Phillips. Almost everybody else here ( in Houston ) was $ 2.99, but pumps in the upscale neighborhoods were up to $ 3.05. I rode my scooter all week to try to save some money - never once drove my car. There were a lot more 2 wheelers on the highway this week, especially late at night. And I am no longer the only Houstonian on the crazy freeways riding a scooter. My scooter has 3,000 miles on it now.I am getting 50 mpg. But there really is no overall savings in money, as the maintenance cost are 2 or 3 times what your gas savings are. I saw a vehicle yesterday on the roads of Houston, that I have only seen on TV in old movies. I am not sure what it was.It was some kind of 3 wheeled taxi like you would see in Bangledesh.He was only going about 25 mph. I think that shows how much the gas prices are affecting us. Late at night, it seems like there are fewer cars on the road.I wonder if people are going to stop doing things like going out to the movies because of the gas prices.Are you cutting back on your driving? If gas hits $ 3.50 a gallon in July, I will have to alter my plans to go to the NSS Convention. I do not believe it will hit $ 4 unless there is a unexpected disaster somewhere that affects the oil industry. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] OT - gas prices
They should all be riding scooters in that area. Fritz _ From: Mary Thiesse [mailto:wpipistre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:37 AM To: David Locklear; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - gas prices I saw on the news this morning that there is a gas station in CA selling for $4.99/gal. Even though it is in a remote location that is totally outrageous. Mary TZ - Original Message From: David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:22:38 PM Subject: [Texascavers] OT - gas prices Do you think we will ever see $ 1.99 gas again?I don't think so. The cheapest I saw today was $ 2.96 at Phillips. Almost everybody else here ( in Houston ) was $ 2.99, but pumps in the upscale neighborhoods were up to $ 3.05. I rode my scooter all week to try to save some money - never once drove my car. There were a lot more 2 wheelers on the highway this week, especially late at night. And I am no longer the only Houstonian on the crazy freeways riding a scooter. My scooter has 3,000 miles on it now.I am getting 50 mpg. But there really is no overall savings in money, as the maintenance cost are 2 or 3 times what your gas savings are. I saw a vehicle yesterday on the roads of Houston, that I have only seen on TV in old movies. I am not sure what it was.It was some kind of 3 wheeled taxi like you would see in Bangledesh.He was only going about 25 mph. I think that shows how much the gas prices are affecting us. Late at night, it seems like there are fewer cars on the road.I wonder if people are going to stop doing things like going out to the movies because of the gas prices.Are you cutting back on your driving? If gas hits $ 3.50 a gallon in July, I will have to alter my plans to go to the NSS Convention. I do not believe it will hit $ 4 unless there is a unexpected disaster somewhere that affects the oil industry. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com http://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
