[tw] Re: [TW5] How to import/export subset of tiddlers?

2014-09-02 Thread James Anderson
looking at $:/editions/tw5.com/download-empty might help you (on 
tiddlywiki.com)

if you add [tag[introduction]]  to the \define saveTiddlerFilter() macro 
you will include all tiddlers tagged with introduction to the empty save.


On Monday, 1 September 2014 23:58:22 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:

 Hello,

 I've looked through the information at tiddlywiki.com and this forum, but 
 haven't seen this directly addressed. 

 Is there a standard method or known plugin for exporting and importing a 
 set (probably tagged) of tiddlers? In this case, I'm not concerned with the 
 output/input format -- I'm mostly concerned about managing tiddlers as a 
 particular page becomes too large.

 Thank you,
 Mark



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[tw] Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread Jeremy Ruston
I'm delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta:

http://tiddlywiki.com

The new features and bug fixes are listed below, but the most significant
changes are internal. In particular, we've adopted new prefixes for
messages, classes and variables that mean that this release will break
almost all plugins and customisations created for earlier versions. See the
release note for more details.

Making such a big change is always undesirable, and is not undertaken
lightly. I'm hoping that TW5 will enjoy a long life, and be used for many
decades to come. That's why I think it's worth taking some pain now in
order to try to make the eventual product better.

Anyhow, other changes in this release include:

* Amended behaviour of the tm-browser-refresh message so that it no longer
clears the location hash
* Fixed problem with single line macro definitions incorrectly including
whitespace in the value
* Extend TableOfContentsMacro to use the caption field if present
* Added suffix and removesuffix filter operators

Another important addition is the introduction of a preliminary version of
the tw2parser plugin (developed by @buggyj). This component allows
TiddlyWiki5 to display wikitext created for TiddlyWiki Classic. As well as
supporting the classic WikiText format, tw2parser includes a number of
macros and other features from TWC. The new component is not yet ready for
primetime, but you can experiment and find out more at:

http://tiddlywiki.com/classicparserdemo.html

You can upgrade at http://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html - but please, please
make sure that you keep careful backups of your content.

Any feedback or questions welcome here. Any questions from a development
perspective should be posted to the dev group over at
http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev.

Many thanks to all the contributors for their patient work on this release,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
I think this sentence is depressing:

 we've adopted new prefixes for messages, classes and variables that mean 
 that this release will break almost all plugins and customisations created 
 for earlier versions.


Specially the part

we've adopted new prefixes for messages, classes and variables


I find it a very poor explanation for something that breaks all plugins 
and customisations. I would like a list of what was the previous value and 
what is the new one. On every TW release I have to spend a lot of time 
trying  how new things works. I can assume it for new features and small 
changes but not for everything. I will think really carefully if I should 
spend time and effort developing anything for TW until it comes out of this 
unstable state.

I'm pretty sure you have your reasons for do this, and I wish tiddlywiki to 
have a long life too,  but it takes me out of the scene for a long time. I 
will monitor TW closely, and I will only upgrade if there is no other 
option.

If it is possible, I would like to have the 5.0.15 nodejs version available 
somewhere.


El martes, 2 de septiembre de 2014 15:03:32 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston escribió:

 I'm delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta:

 http://tiddlywiki.com

 The new features and bug fixes are listed below, but the most significant 
 changes are internal. In particular, we've adopted new prefixes for 
 messages, classes and variables that mean that this release will break 
 almost all plugins and customisations created for earlier versions. See the 
 release note for more details.

 Making such a big change is always undesirable, and is not undertaken 
 lightly. I'm hoping that TW5 will enjoy a long life, and be used for many 
 decades to come. That's why I think it's worth taking some pain now in 
 order to try to make the eventual product better.

 Anyhow, other changes in this release include:

 * Amended behaviour of the tm-browser-refresh message so that it no longer 
 clears the location hash
 * Fixed problem with single line macro definitions incorrectly including 
 whitespace in the value
 * Extend TableOfContentsMacro to use the caption field if present
 * Added suffix and removesuffix filter operators

 Another important addition is the introduction of a preliminary version of 
 the tw2parser plugin (developed by @buggyj). This component allows 
 TiddlyWiki5 to display wikitext created for TiddlyWiki Classic. As well as 
 supporting the classic WikiText format, tw2parser includes a number of 
 macros and other features from TWC. The new component is not yet ready for 
 primetime, but you can experiment and find out more at:

 http://tiddlywiki.com/classicparserdemo.html

 You can upgrade at http://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html - but please, 
 please make sure that you keep careful backups of your content.

 Any feedback or questions welcome here. Any questions from a development 
 perspective should be posted to the dev group over at 
 http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev.

 Many thanks to all the contributors for their patient work on this release,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread cmari
Hi Jeremy,
Minor point among all the daunting major ones: it looks to me as though the
documentation for removesuffix
http://tiddlywiki.com/#FilterOperator%3A%20removesuffix

was copied from removeprefix but the example didn't get changed.
cmari


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'm delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta:

 http://tiddlywiki.com

 The new features and bug fixes are listed below, but the most significant
 changes are internal. In particular, we've adopted new prefixes for
 messages, classes and variables that mean that this release will break
 almost all plugins and customisations created for earlier versions. See the
 release note for more details.

 Making such a big change is always undesirable, and is not undertaken
 lightly. I'm hoping that TW5 will enjoy a long life, and be used for many
 decades to come. That's why I think it's worth taking some pain now in
 order to try to make the eventual product better.

 Anyhow, other changes in this release include:

 * Amended behaviour of the tm-browser-refresh message so that it no longer
 clears the location hash
 * Fixed problem with single line macro definitions incorrectly including
 whitespace in the value
 * Extend TableOfContentsMacro to use the caption field if present
 * Added suffix and removesuffix filter operators

 Another important addition is the introduction of a preliminary version of
 the tw2parser plugin (developed by @buggyj). This component allows
 TiddlyWiki5 to display wikitext created for TiddlyWiki Classic. As well as
 supporting the classic WikiText format, tw2parser includes a number of
 macros and other features from TWC. The new component is not yet ready for
 primetime, but you can experiment and find out more at:

 http://tiddlywiki.com/classicparserdemo.html

 You can upgrade at http://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html - but please,
 please make sure that you keep careful backups of your content.

 Any feedback or questions welcome here. Any questions from a development
 perspective should be posted to the dev group over at
 http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev.

 Many thanks to all the contributors for their patient work on this release,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

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[tw] Bug (may be) in TW5

2014-09-02 Thread Syl
I found losing focus when entering characters in a field since the update 
5.0.14.

it's boring for data entry.Everything works normally with version 5.0.13

Are there a setting to fix this problem ?

Thanks

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Danielo

On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Danielo Rodríguez rdani...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I think this sentence is depressing:

  we've adopted new prefixes for messages, classes and variables that mean
 that this release will break almost all plugins and customisations created
 for earlier versions.


I'm not a fan of making backward incompatible changes either.


 Specially the part

 we've adopted new prefixes for messages, classes and variables


 I find it a very poor explanation for something that breaks all plugins
 and customisations. I would like a list of what was the previous value and
 what is the new one.


That passage isn't attempting to explain the reasoning for the change, it's
focussed on the consequences for end users.

In terms of the details of the change, it really is as simple as the
release note says: a search and replace from tw-tc, tm and tv. I think
that that is all anyone needs to know to adapt existing code to the change.
(There are some prefixless classes that have gained the tc prefix too, and
they are listed in the ticket referenced in the release note).


 On every TW release I have to spend a lot of time trying  how new things
 works. I can assume it for new features and small changes but not for
 everything.


That will stop once we get to the full release; then each release will be
backwards compatible.

I will think really carefully if I should spend time and effort developing
 anything for TW until it comes out of this unstable state.


As I mentioned above, the full release is scheduled for September 20th.

I'm pretty sure you have your reasons for do this, and I wish tiddlywiki to
 have a long life too,  but it takes me out of the scene for a long time. I
 will monitor TW closely, and I will only upgrade if there is no other
 option.


The reason for the change is that it was confusing for new users to be
using the same prefix for three completely different things:

 * Classes like tw-drop-down
 * Messages like tw-save-tiddler
 * Variables like tw-auto-open-on-import

The concern is that that makes it almost impossible for a newcomer to
figure out what's going on. I understand that you and other contemporary
users have got used to the situation, but I have to look at it from the
point of view of future new users as well.

If it is possible, I would like to have the 5.0.15 nodejs version available
 somewhere.


It's available via GitHub, but obviously I can't offer any support in the
future for old beta versions.

Best wishes

Jeremy






 El martes, 2 de septiembre de 2014 15:03:32 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston escribió:

 I'm delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta:

 http://tiddlywiki.com

 The new features and bug fixes are listed below, but the most significant
 changes are internal. In particular, we've adopted new prefixes for
 messages, classes and variables that mean that this release will break
 almost all plugins and customisations created for earlier versions. See the
 release note for more details.

 Making such a big change is always undesirable, and is not undertaken
 lightly. I'm hoping that TW5 will enjoy a long life, and be used for many
 decades to come. That's why I think it's worth taking some pain now in
 order to try to make the eventual product better.

 Anyhow, other changes in this release include:

 * Amended behaviour of the tm-browser-refresh message so that it no
 longer clears the location hash
 * Fixed problem with single line macro definitions incorrectly including
 whitespace in the value
 * Extend TableOfContentsMacro to use the caption field if present
 * Added suffix and removesuffix filter operators

 Another important addition is the introduction of a preliminary version
 of the tw2parser plugin (developed by @buggyj). This component allows
 TiddlyWiki5 to display wikitext created for TiddlyWiki Classic. As well as
 supporting the classic WikiText format, tw2parser includes a number of
 macros and other features from TWC. The new component is not yet ready for
 primetime, but you can experiment and find out more at:

 http://tiddlywiki.com/classicparserdemo.html

 You can upgrade at http://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html - but please,
 please make sure that you keep careful backups of your content.

 Any feedback or questions welcome here. Any questions from a development
 perspective should be posted to the dev group over at
 http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev.

 Many thanks to all the contributors for their patient work on this
 release,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread Jeremy Ruston

 Minor point among all the daunting major ones: it looks to me as though
 the documentation for removesuffix
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#FilterOperator%3A%20removesuffix


Thanks cmari, I'll fix for 5.0.17,

Best wishes

Jeremy.


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:39 PM, cmari cema...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,





 was copied from removeprefix but the example didn't get changed.
 cmari


 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I'm delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta:

 http://tiddlywiki.com

 The new features and bug fixes are listed below, but the most significant
 changes are internal. In particular, we've adopted new prefixes for
 messages, classes and variables that mean that this release will break
 almost all plugins and customisations created for earlier versions. See the
 release note for more details.

 Making such a big change is always undesirable, and is not undertaken
 lightly. I'm hoping that TW5 will enjoy a long life, and be used for many
 decades to come. That's why I think it's worth taking some pain now in
 order to try to make the eventual product better.

 Anyhow, other changes in this release include:

 * Amended behaviour of the tm-browser-refresh message so that it no
 longer clears the location hash
 * Fixed problem with single line macro definitions incorrectly including
 whitespace in the value
 * Extend TableOfContentsMacro to use the caption field if present
 * Added suffix and removesuffix filter operators

 Another important addition is the introduction of a preliminary version
 of the tw2parser plugin (developed by @buggyj). This component allows
 TiddlyWiki5 to display wikitext created for TiddlyWiki Classic. As well as
 supporting the classic WikiText format, tw2parser includes a number of
 macros and other features from TWC. The new component is not yet ready for
 primetime, but you can experiment and find out more at:

 http://tiddlywiki.com/classicparserdemo.html

 You can upgrade at http://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html - but please,
 please make sure that you keep careful backups of your content.

 Any feedback or questions welcome here. Any questions from a development
 perspective should be posted to the dev group over at
 http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev.

 Many thanks to all the contributors for their patient work on this
 release,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Bug (may be) in TW5

2014-09-02 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Syl

 I found losing focus when entering characters in a field since the update
5.0.14.

There's a fix for that issue in 5.0.16.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Syl sfl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found losing focus when entering characters in a field since the update
 5.0.14.

 it's boring for data entry.Everything works normally with version 5.0.13

 Are there a setting to fix this problem ?

 Thanks

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #59 will be on Tuesday 2nd September at 4pm BST (UTC+1)

2014-09-02 Thread Jeremy Ruston
The hangout is just starting over at:

https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfdMuQSic7XA9qwLmXdF7YP9uWQUZaE-wfdXhqiosaHYoNx3Q

Best wishes

Jeremy


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 https://plus.google.com/events/cbv79i1mi1rcotr6dib76nhn3rc

 Ask questions using the QA button on the video preview at the above link,
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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread Danielo Rodríguez




 In terms of the details of the change, it really is as simple as the 
 release note says: a search and replace from tw-tc, tm and tv. I think 
 that that is all anyone needs to know to adapt existing code to the change. 
 (There are some prefixless classes that have gained the tc prefix too, and 
 they are listed in the ticket referenced in the release note).
  


It can sound trivial from a human perspective, but it is not fro an 
automatic process. How can you distinguish between a class, a variable and 
a message? The only reliable way is to have a list of the old messages and 
its new equivalent. If you have that list already , or at least a list of 
the old ones classified by classes.

Maybe you can consider include that list in the upgrade mechanism and let 
it make the search and replace.

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread cmari
Since I said I thought it would be daunting (after seeing that there were
1200 instances of tw- in my file), I'm coming back to report that
search/replace in a text editor made things relatively easy.  Half the
instances of tw- were related to tw-scholar, so I changed those to
something else temporarily.  The examples in the release notes and the list
of messages in tiddlywiki.com helped with most of the rest.

The only slightly confusing thing (to me) was config-toolbar, which I
thought might need to be separately treated because it appears as part of
both a message and a class.  It does still seem a bit counter-intuitive
that the class name uses the tv- prefix (tv-config-toolbar-class), rather
than tc-, but it certainly makes the search/replace process easier.
cmari


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wrote:

 Hi Danielo

 Apologies, I didn't mean to imply that the actual task of adapting code
 for 5.0.16 is trivial, just that the nature of the changes is relatively
 straightforward because they are regular changes.

 A tool that does the search and replacing may be feasible. In some cases
 there may still need to be manual intervention/verification, I guess.

 Right now upgrader modules don't get told the version number of the
 incoming TW document, which would be needed in this case so that the
 upgrader can determine whether or not to make the replacements for a
 certain tiddler.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy



 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Danielo Rodríguez rdani...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 In terms of the details of the change, it really is as simple as the
 release note says: a search and replace from tw-tc, tm and tv. I think
 that that is all anyone needs to know to adapt existing code to the change.
 (There are some prefixless classes that have gained the tc prefix too, and
 they are listed in the ticket referenced in the release note).



 It can sound trivial from a human perspective, but it is not fro an
 automatic process. How can you distinguish between a class, a variable and
 a message? The only reliable way is to have a list of the old messages and
 its new equivalent. If you have that list already , or at least a list of
 the old ones classified by classes.

 Maybe you can consider include that list in the upgrade mechanism and let
 it make the search and replace.




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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread Ton Gerner
Hi Danielo,

I think you overreact.

1) TW is open source software. You don't have to pay for it and you can 
influence the development.
Be grateful that Jeremy spend so much time in the development of TW, a 
piece of software that is unique.

2) TW is in beta. It means in principle everything could change. Read the 
roadmap!

*Roadmap*
TiddlyWiki is under rapid development at the moment as it moves through 
beta to a full release. That is the point at which it is declared stable 
enough for general use. It will continue to improve and evolve, but 
constrained to remain backwards compatible so that plugins and content 
created for version 5.0 will continue to work into the future.

So, if you cannot live with changes in the beta phase you have to wait to 
the stable release of September 20th.
But do not complain in the way you did.

I am grateful for the work you did for TW (I do use your Context search 
plugin daily). So keep going on with making plugins like the Encrypt 
tiddler, Keyboard snippets, Packplugin, Import tools, ...

I also have a lot of personal TW's that need to be upgraded/converted 
(besides my 7 guides at TiddlySpot). I don't complain; it is just part of 
my learning process. When I started about a year ago I knew a lot would 
change and I accepted that.

So, stay part of the TW family ;-)

Cheers,

Ton


On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 4:10:51 PM UTC+2, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:

 I think this sentence is depressing:

  we've adopted new prefixes for messages, classes and variables that mean 
 that this release will break almost all plugins and customisations created 
 for earlier versions.


 Specially the part

 we've adopted new prefixes for messages, classes and variables


 I find it a very poor explanation for something that breaks all plugins 
 and customisations. I would like a list of what was the previous value and 
 what is the new one. On every TW release I have to spend a lot of time 
 trying  how new things works. I can assume it for new features and small 
 changes but not for everything. I will think really carefully if I should 
 spend time and effort developing anything for TW until it comes out of this 
 unstable state.

 I'm pretty sure you have your reasons for do this, and I wish tiddlywiki 
 to have a long life too,  but it takes me out of the scene for a long time. 
 I will monitor TW closely, and I will only upgrade if there is no other 
 option.

 If it is possible, I would like to have the 5.0.15 nodejs version 
 available somewhere.


 El martes, 2 de septiembre de 2014 15:03:32 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston escribió:

 I'm delighted to announce the release of TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta:

 http://tiddlywiki.com

 The new features and bug fixes are listed below, but the most significant 
 changes are internal. In particular, we've adopted new prefixes for 
 messages, classes and variables that mean that this release will break 
 almost all plugins and customisations created for earlier versions. See the 
 release note for more details.

 Making such a big change is always undesirable, and is not undertaken 
 lightly. I'm hoping that TW5 will enjoy a long life, and be used for many 
 decades to come. That's why I think it's worth taking some pain now in 
 order to try to make the eventual product better.

 Anyhow, other changes in this release include:

 * Amended behaviour of the tm-browser-refresh message so that it no 
 longer clears the location hash
 * Fixed problem with single line macro definitions incorrectly including 
 whitespace in the value
 * Extend TableOfContentsMacro to use the caption field if present
 * Added suffix and removesuffix filter operators

 Another important addition is the introduction of a preliminary version 
 of the tw2parser plugin (developed by @buggyj). This component allows 
 TiddlyWiki5 to display wikitext created for TiddlyWiki Classic. As well as 
 supporting the classic WikiText format, tw2parser includes a number of 
 macros and other features from TWC. The new component is not yet ready for 
 primetime, but you can experiment and find out more at:

 http://tiddlywiki.com/classicparserdemo.html

 You can upgrade at http://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html - but please, 
 please make sure that you keep careful backups of your content.

 Any feedback or questions welcome here. Any questions from a development 
 perspective should be posted to the dev group over at 
 http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev.

 Many thanks to all the contributors for their patient work on this 
 release,

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi cmari

On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:29 PM, cmari cema...@gmail.com wrote:

 Since I said I thought it would be daunting (after seeing that there
 were 1200 instances of tw- in my file), I'm coming back to report that
 search/replace in a text editor made things relatively easy.  Half the
 instances of tw- were related to tw-scholar, so I changed those to
 something else temporarily.  The examples in the release notes and the list
 of messages in tiddlywiki.com helped with most of the rest.


Great, glad it went OK.


 The only slightly confusing thing (to me) was config-toolbar, which I
 thought might need to be separately treated because it appears as part of
 both a message and a class.  It does still seem a bit counter-intuitive
 that the class name uses the tv- prefix (tv-config-toolbar-class), rather
 than tc-, but it certainly makes the search/replace process easier.


Ah, what's going on there is subtle: tv-config-toolbar-class is the name
of a variable that contains one or classnames to be applied to any toolbar
buttons that are in its scope. So, if you put tv-config-toolbar-class
in a new tiddler on tiddlywiki.com you'll see tc-btn-invisible, which is
the actual classname that is applied.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



 cmari


 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Danielo

 Apologies, I didn't mean to imply that the actual task of adapting code
 for 5.0.16 is trivial, just that the nature of the changes is relatively
 straightforward because they are regular changes.

 A tool that does the search and replacing may be feasible. In some cases
 there may still need to be manual intervention/verification, I guess.

 Right now upgrader modules don't get told the version number of the
 incoming TW document, which would be needed in this case so that the
 upgrader can determine whether or not to make the replacements for a
 certain tiddler.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy



 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Danielo Rodríguez rdani...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 In terms of the details of the change, it really is as simple as the
 release note says: a search and replace from tw-tc, tm and tv. I think
 that that is all anyone needs to know to adapt existing code to the change.
 (There are some prefixless classes that have gained the tc prefix too, and
 they are listed in the ticket referenced in the release note).



 It can sound trivial from a human perspective, but it is not fro an
 automatic process. How can you distinguish between a class, a variable and
 a message? The only reliable way is to have a list of the old messages and
 its new equivalent. If you have that list already , or at least a list of
 the old ones classified by classes.

 Maybe you can consider include that list in the upgrade mechanism and
 let it make the search and replace.




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[tw] TOC question

2014-09-02 Thread David Gifford
Why would both this:

div class='tc-table-of-contents'
toc-selective-expandable [tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]
/div

and this

div class='tc-table-of-contents'
toc-selective-expandable '[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]'
/div

result in this:

Filter error: Syntax error in filter expression

and how do I get it to work? (Make a TOC of all tiddlers that have the tag 
GettingStarted but not the tag $:/Note)

p.s. I realize the new CSS is tc-toc. I am using a stylesheet where I have 
changed the old tc-table-of-contents to suit my tastes here.

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #59 will be on Tuesday 2nd September at 4pm BST (UTC+1)

2014-09-02 Thread PMario
annotations: http://pmario.tiddlyspace.com/#2014-09-02-TW-hangout-59
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SVf04i6jYY

have fun!
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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread PMario
Hi Danielo,

Breaking changes are the burden of early adopters :(
On the other hand, early adopters have the real possibility to influence 
the product, like nobody else. 
So if these changes let's you abandon the scene, imo both parties lose.

I think at the moment, we only have 17 days left to introduce breaking 
changes. Afterwards we have to live with the decisions made. 

Jeremy talked a bit about backwards compatibility at HO59 from 0:11:50 - 
0:14:15 see: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SVf04i6jYYfeature=player_detailpage#t=709
And knowing him from TWclassic discussions about new core features in the 
past. I tell you, he is serious when he talks about backwards 
compatibility. 

So imo now is the time to influence the product :)

have fun!
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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.16-beta

2014-09-02 Thread David Gifford
Danielo

I concur with what others have said about accepting the breaking changes. 
This isn't the first beta version with sweeping breaking changes. I had to 
totally re-do TW5 mall, not only the code but the instructions, last time 
there was a major breaking change. I guess I better go look at that again, 
since it is out of date again.

That is why I said a long time ago that I would wait on doing an adaptation 
of TiddlyWiki 5 until it gets out of beta. I have shared experiments, but 
have always indicated that they were only experiments and that I would not 
be offering any help to people who use them. I was surprised when you did 
TW Scholar so soon, since that was such a huge undertaking. I remembered 
fearing at the time that future changes would affect it adversely.

For what it's worth, I got Stephan's new tiddler, time and date, and 
context search working fine in a TW of mine after a very small number of 
changes.

Dave

On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:21:55 PM UTC-5, PMario wrote:

 Hi Danielo,

 Breaking changes are the burden of early adopters :(
 On the other hand, early adopters have the real possibility to influence 
 the product, like nobody else. 
 So if these changes let's you abandon the scene, imo both parties lose.

 I think at the moment, we only have 17 days left to introduce breaking 
 changes. Afterwards we have to live with the decisions made. 

 Jeremy talked a bit about backwards compatibility at HO59 from 0:11:50 - 
 0:14:15 see: 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SVf04i6jYYfeature=player_detailpage#t=709
 And knowing him from TWclassic discussions about new core features in the 
 past. I tell you, he is serious when he talks about backwards 
 compatibility. 

 So imo now is the time to influence the product :)

 have fun!
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[tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread James Mars
Hi,
I am using node.js and I would like to replace the default page with a 
custom one. I have the following files setup: 
tiddlers/ui/$__DefaultTiddlers.tid
tiddlers/ui/$__SiteTitle.tid
tiddlers/ui/Home.tid

but the original page keeps showing up.

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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread Andreas Hahn

Hi James,

what excactly are you trying to do here ?
You can change the default tiddlers within the ControlPanel, but I am 
guessing thats not what you want to archieve here. Can you elaborate on 
what your goal is ?


/Andreas

Am 03.09.2014 02:35, schrieb James Mars:

Hi,
I am using node.js and I would like to replace the default page with a 
custom one. I have the following files setup:

tiddlers/ui/$__DefaultTiddlers.tid
tiddlers/ui/$__SiteTitle.tid
tiddlers/ui/Home.tid

but the original page keeps showing up.
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[tw] Re: Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread James Mars
The content of DefaultTiddlers.tid is:

created: 20140616084350909
modified: 20140616084429701
title: $:/DefaultTiddlers
type: text/vnd.tiddlywiki

[[Home]]
~   

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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread James Mars
Hi Andreas,

You know the first page that comes up with you start up tiddlywiki, well, I 
am trying to replace that page with a page of my own (based on Alberto 
Molina's tiddlywiki: http://tw5.scholars.tiddlyspot.com/). See how he has a 
custom index page (What is this). I have the page Home.tid already set 
up.. I thought all one had to do was to define it in DefaultTiddlers.tid in 
order to have it show up as the index page.


On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 10:46:47 UTC+10, Andreas Hahn wrote:

  Hi James, 

 what excactly are you trying to do here ?
 You can change the default tiddlers within the ControlPanel, but I am 
 guessing thats not what you want to archieve here. Can you elaborate on 
 what your goal is ?

 /Andreas

 Am 03.09.2014 02:35, schrieb James Mars:
  
 Hi,
 I am using node.js and I would like to replace the default page with a 
 custom one. I have the following files setup: 
 tiddlers/ui/$__DefaultTiddlers.tid
 tiddlers/ui/$__SiteTitle.tid
 tiddlers/ui/Home.tid

 but the original page keeps showing up.
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Re: [tw] TOC question

2014-09-02 Thread Andreas Hahn

Hi David,

the toc macro does not actually accept a filter expression as its first 
parameter, but instead just a tag that is then filled into a filter 
expression. Within the toc-macro, the list widget is invoked with the 
following filter exp:


$list filter=[tag[$tag$]$sort$]

$tag$ is the first parameter, so your

toc-selective-expandable '[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]'

leads to it being filled in like this:

$list filter=[tag[[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note

And this is obviously not a well-formed filter expression. However this 
is not the end of the line. To make

your filter work, you can do a filter injection by doing

toc-selective-expandable 'GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note'

so that it becomes

$list filter=[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]

which will work but doesn't make for good end-user experience whatsoever.

/Andreas


Am 03.09.2014 00:46, schrieb David Gifford:

Why would both this:

div class='tc-table-of-contents'
toc-selective-expandable [tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]
/div

and this

div class='tc-table-of-contents'
toc-selective-expandable '[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]'
/div

result in this:

Filter error: Syntax error in filter expression

and how do I get it to work? (Make a TOC of all tiddlers that have the 
tag GettingStarted but not the tag $:/Note)


p.s. I realize the new CSS is tc-toc. I am using a stylesheet where I 
have changed the old tc-table-of-contents to suit my tastes here.

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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread Andreas Hahn

Hi James,

well you can change those from within the wiki in the ControlPanel under 
the 'Basics' tab. I would not recommend doing this within the 
filesystem, since its much nicer to do it in the wiki itself and node.js 
will automatically save it in the right place.



// Ignore the following part, if it confuses you
{{{
The right place would be in
/tiddlywiki-nodejs/YOURWIKINAME/tiddlers/DefaultTiddlers.tid
since all tiddlers associated with your wiki are stored there, including 
system/shadow tiddlers which have been overwritten.


Note that for this you do need to have created a wiki with

 node tiddlywiki.js YOURWIKINAME --init server

first. (And then of course run it and modify it)

}}}

/Andreas


Am 03.09.2014 02:54, schrieb James Mars:

Hi Andreas,

You know the first page that comes up with you start up tiddlywiki, 
well, I am trying to replace that page with a page of my own (based on 
Alberto Molina's tiddlywiki: http://tw5.scholars.tiddlyspot.com/). See 
how he has a custom index page (What is this). I have the page 
Home.tid already set up.. I thought all one had to do was to define it 
in DefaultTiddlers.tid in order to have it show up as the index page.



On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 10:46:47 UTC+10, Andreas Hahn wrote:

Hi James,

what excactly are you trying to do here ?
You can change the default tiddlers within the ControlPanel, but I
am guessing thats not what you want to archieve here. Can you
elaborate on what your goal is ?

/Andreas

Am 03.09.2014 02:35, schrieb James Mars:

Hi,
I am using node.js and I would like to replace the default page
with a custom one. I have the following files setup:
tiddlers/ui/$__DefaultTiddlers.tid
tiddlers/ui/$__SiteTitle.tid
tiddlers/ui/Home.tid

but the original page keeps showing up.
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[tw] Reduce Font size of tiddler title

2014-09-02 Thread Corey S
Like the subject says, I want to make the title of each tiddler smaller.
I've been using Tiddlywiki for about 11 years, but haven't gone on to learn 
TW5 yet.
I'm assuming there is a title like 'ViewTemplate' or some such, just not 
sure of the syntax anymore.
Where do I go to find these things?

Thanks

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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread James Mars
Hi,

I did it as you suggested, via the control panel, and in Choose which 
tiddlers are displayed at startup I have Home defined. When I open the 
page Home.tid directly, it shows up fine. But still, I get the default 
Getting Started and no Home page.

On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:11:50 UTC+10, Andreas Hahn wrote:

  Hi James, 

 well you can change those from within the wiki in the ControlPanel under 
 the 'Basics' tab. I would not recommend doing this within the filesystem, 
 since its much nicer to do it in the wiki itself and node.js will 
 automatically save it in the right place.


 // Ignore the following part, if it confuses you
 {{{
 The right place would be in
 /tiddlywiki-nodejs/YOURWIKINAME/tiddlers/DefaultTiddlers.tid
 since all tiddlers associated with your wiki are stored there, including 
 system/shadow tiddlers which have been overwritten.

 Note that for this you do need to have created a wiki with

  node tiddlywiki.js YOURWIKINAME --init server

 first. (And then of course run it and modify it)

 }}}

 /Andreas


 Am 03.09.2014 02:54, schrieb James Mars:
  
 Hi Andreas,

 You know the first page that comes up with you start up tiddlywiki, well, 
 I am trying to replace that page with a page of my own (based on Alberto 
 Molina's tiddlywiki: http://tw5.scholars.tiddlyspot.com/). See how he has 
 a custom index page (What is this). I have the page Home.tid already set 
 up.. I thought all one had to do was to define it in DefaultTiddlers.tid in 
 order to have it show up as the index page.


 On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 10:46:47 UTC+10, Andreas Hahn wrote: 

  Hi James, 

 what excactly are you trying to do here ?
 You can change the default tiddlers within the ControlPanel, but I am 
 guessing thats not what you want to archieve here. Can you elaborate on 
 what your goal is ?

 /Andreas

 Am 03.09.2014 02:35, schrieb James Mars:
  
 Hi,
 I am using node.js and I would like to replace the default page with a 
 custom one. I have the following files setup: 
 tiddlers/ui/$__DefaultTiddlers.tid
 tiddlers/ui/$__SiteTitle.tid
 tiddlers/ui/Home.tid

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Re: [tw] TOC question

2014-09-02 Thread David Gifford
Thanks Andreas,

Your

I am curious why you say it will not make for a good end-user experience
whatsoever, since the end result of the toc will be the same.

Blessings

Dave


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Andreas Hahn www.gal...@googlemail.com
wrote:

  Hi David,

 the toc macro does not actually accept a filter expression as its first
 parameter, but instead just a tag that is then filled into a filter
 expression. Within the toc-macro, the list widget is invoked with the
 following filter exp:

 $list filter=[tag[$tag$]$sort$]

 $tag$ is the first parameter, so your

 toc-selective-expandable '[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]'

 leads to it being filled in like this:

 $list filter=[tag[[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note

 And this is obviously not a well-formed filter expression. However this is
 not the end of the line. To make
 your filter work, you can do a filter injection by doing

 toc-selective-expandable 'GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note'

 so that it becomes

 $list filter=[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]

 which will work but doesn't make for good end-user experience whatsoever.

 /Andreas


 Am 03.09.2014 00:46, schrieb David Gifford:

 Why would both this:

 div class='tc-table-of-contents'
 toc-selective-expandable [tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]
 /div

 and this

 div class='tc-table-of-contents'
 toc-selective-expandable '[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]'
 /div

 result in this:

 Filter error: Syntax error in filter expression

 and how do I get it to work? (Make a TOC of all tiddlers that have the tag
 GettingStarted but not the tag $:/Note)

 p.s. I realize the new CSS is tc-toc. I am using a stylesheet where I have
 changed the old tc-table-of-contents to suit my tastes here.
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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread Andreas Hahn

Hi James,

does the Home tiddler exist within the wiki ? And is Home its complete 
name ? Also did you remove the GettingStarted tiddler from the list ?


/Andreas

P.S.: If the tiddler is named Home.tid within the wiki, you would have 
to put Home.tid into the list, however there is no point in having the 
.tid extension within the wiki.


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Re: [tw] TOC question

2014-09-02 Thread Andreas Hahn

Hi David,

for people starting out with TW it is probably pretty confusing since 
the documentation states that the toc macro expects the first parameter 
to be a tag and not some weird half finished filter expression.


Obviously using that trick yourself is totally fine for all practical 
purposes, it was merely a side note for Jeremy (and others) that those 
filter injection tricks are not user-friendly for new TW users but when 
people tend to do this to get more complex behaviour out of a macro, 
they will inevitably get in touch with this and it will be very 
confusing for them.


On the other hand, please don't ruin this beautiful macro by adding 
useless parameters :D


/Andreas


Am 03.09.2014 03:38, schrieb David Gifford:

Thanks Andreas,

Your

I am curious why you say it will not make for a good end-user 
experience whatsoever, since the end result of the toc will be the same.


Blessings

Dave


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Andreas Hahn 
www.gal...@googlemail.com mailto:www.gal...@googlemail.com wrote:


Hi David,

the toc macro does not actually accept a filter expression as its
first parameter, but instead just a tag that is then filled into a
filter expression. Within the toc-macro, the list widget is
invoked with the following filter exp:

$list filter=[tag[$tag$]$sort$]

$tag$ is the first parameter, so your

toc-selective-expandable '[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]'

leads to it being filled in like this:

$list filter=[tag[[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note

And this is obviously not a well-formed filter expression. However
this is not the end of the line. To make
your filter work, you can do a filter injection by doing

toc-selective-expandable 'GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note'

so that it becomes

$list filter=[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]

which will work but doesn't make for good end-user experience
whatsoever.

/Andreas


Am 03.09.2014 00:46, schrieb David Gifford:

Why would both this:

div class='tc-table-of-contents'
toc-selective-expandable [tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]
/div

and this

div class='tc-table-of-contents'
toc-selective-expandable '[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]'
/div

result in this:

Filter error: Syntax error in filter expression

and how do I get it to work? (Make a TOC of all tiddlers that
have the tag GettingStarted but not the tag $:/Note)

p.s. I realize the new CSS is tc-toc. I am using a stylesheet
where I have changed the old tc-table-of-contents to suit my
tastes here.
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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread James Mars

Hi, Yes it does... I have no problem accessing/displaying it inside the 
wiki directly (ie, via the search panel). Its complete name is Home.tid 
but defined as Home in the startup page list. The GettingStarted page 
is not in the list.. there is only Home there, and Home doesn't open at all 
on startup. It seems that the system is not paying any attention to the 
file DefaultTiddlers (even when modified via the control panel). Anyway, 
maybe I should just start with a fresh copy of tiddlywiki.


On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:40:13 UTC+10, Andreas Hahn wrote:

 Hi James, 

 does the Home tiddler exist within the wiki ? And is Home its complete 
 name ? Also did you remove the GettingStarted tiddler from the list ? 

 /Andreas 

 P.S.: If the tiddler is named Home.tid within the wiki, you would have 
 to put Home.tid into the list, however there is no point in having the 
 .tid extension within the wiki. 


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Re: [tw] Reduce Font size of tiddler title

2014-09-02 Thread Andreas Hahn

Hi Corey,

as far as I there is no special setting for this, so you would have to 
do this with css. You can do this by adding a tiddler with the following 
content:


.tc-title { font-size: 0.8em; }

and tag it with $:/tags/stylesheet (and adjust the 0.8 maybe)

Note that there is indeed a font-size setting in the control panel under 
Appearance/Theme Tweaks. However this setting affects everything and not 
just the tiddler title.


/Andreas



Am 03.09.2014 03:18, schrieb Corey S:

Like the subject says, I want to make the title of each tiddler smaller.
I've been using Tiddlywiki for about 11 years, but haven't gone on to 
learn TW5 yet.
I'm assuming there is a title like 'ViewTemplate' or some such, just 
not sure of the syntax anymore.

Where do I go to find these things?

Thanks
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Re: [tw] TOC question

2014-09-02 Thread David Gifford
Thanks for the explanation.

In beginning to explain why I was going to use this parameter, I just
realized I don't need it! My viewtemplate includes two parts to the body,
one governed by tags but with an additional tag, $:/TOC, and the other
governed by tags but with an additional tag, $:/Note. The idea of the
parameter was to filter out the second set of tiddlers. But I just
remembered that in GettingStarted I won't have any tiddlers tagged $:/Note.
So this whole question is a moot point. Nevertheless at least I have a hack
for it in case I ever need to do it that way for some reason. Thanks!

Dave


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Andreas Hahn www.gal...@googlemail.com
wrote:

  Hi David,

 for people starting out with TW it is probably pretty confusing since the
 documentation states that the toc macro expects the first parameter to be a
 tag and not some weird half finished filter expression.

 Obviously using that trick yourself is totally fine for all practical
 purposes, it was merely a side note for Jeremy (and others) that those
 filter injection tricks are not user-friendly for new TW users but when
 people tend to do this to get more complex behaviour out of a macro, they
 will inevitably get in touch with this and it will be very confusing for
 them.

 On the other hand, please don't ruin this beautiful macro by adding
 useless parameters :D

 /Andreas


 Am 03.09.2014 03:38, schrieb David Gifford:

  Thanks Andreas,

  Your

  I am curious why you say it will not make for a good end-user experience
 whatsoever, since the end result of the toc will be the same.

  Blessings

 Dave


 On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Andreas Hahn www.gal...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

  Hi David,

 the toc macro does not actually accept a filter expression as its first
 parameter, but instead just a tag that is then filled into a filter
 expression. Within the toc-macro, the list widget is invoked with the
 following filter exp:

 $list filter=[tag[$tag$]$sort$]

 $tag$ is the first parameter, so your

 toc-selective-expandable '[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]'

 leads to it being filled in like this:

 $list filter=[tag[[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note

 And this is obviously not a well-formed filter expression. However this
 is not the end of the line. To make
 your filter work, you can do a filter injection by doing

 toc-selective-expandable 'GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note'

 so that it becomes

 $list filter=[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]

 which will work but doesn't make for good end-user experience whatsoever.

 /Andreas


 Am 03.09.2014 00:46, schrieb David Gifford:

 Why would both this:

 div class='tc-table-of-contents'
 toc-selective-expandable [tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]
 /div

 and this

 div class='tc-table-of-contents'
 toc-selective-expandable '[tag[GettingStarted]!tag[$:/Note]]'
 /div

 result in this:

 Filter error: Syntax error in filter expression

 and how do I get it to work? (Make a TOC of all tiddlers that have the
 tag GettingStarted but not the tag $:/Note)

 p.s. I realize the new CSS is tc-toc. I am using a stylesheet where I
 have changed the old tc-table-of-contents to suit my tastes here.
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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread James Mars
Hi,
I downloaded a fresh copy of tiddlywiki (the single file version), 
created/saved the tiddler Homepage, went to control panel and replaced 
GettingStarted with Homepage. Made sure the change was saved. Reloaded 
tiddlywiki, and the GettingStarted page is back, while Homepage is not 
loaded at started. Also, in control panel, the default setting is back in 
the startup list.


On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:58:51 UTC+10, James Mars wrote:


 Hi, Yes it does... I have no problem accessing/displaying it inside the 
 wiki directly (ie, via the search panel). Its complete name is Home.tid 
 but defined as Home in the startup page list. The GettingStarted page 
 is not in the list.. there is only Home there, and Home doesn't open at all 
 on startup. It seems that the system is not paying any attention to the 
 file DefaultTiddlers (even when modified via the control panel). Anyway, 
 maybe I should just start with a fresh copy of tiddlywiki.


 On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:40:13 UTC+10, Andreas Hahn wrote:

 Hi James, 

 does the Home tiddler exist within the wiki ? And is Home its complete 
 name ? Also did you remove the GettingStarted tiddler from the list ? 

 /Andreas 

 P.S.: If the tiddler is named Home.tid within the wiki, you would have 
 to put Home.tid into the list, however there is no point in having the 
 .tid extension within the wiki. 



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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread James Mars
My mistake.. I wasn't saving it properly... The single file version (fresh 
copy) works, but my node.js version still does not.

On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 12:50:48 UTC+10, James Mars wrote:

 Hi,
 I downloaded a fresh copy of tiddlywiki (the single file version), 
 created/saved the tiddler Homepage, went to control panel and replaced 
 GettingStarted with Homepage. Made sure the change was saved. Reloaded 
 tiddlywiki, and the GettingStarted page is back, while Homepage is not 
 loaded at started. Also, in control panel, the default setting is back in 
 the startup list.


 On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:58:51 UTC+10, James Mars wrote:


 Hi, Yes it does... I have no problem accessing/displaying it inside the 
 wiki directly (ie, via the search panel). Its complete name is Home.tid 
 but defined as Home in the startup page list. The GettingStarted page 
 is not in the list.. there is only Home there, and Home doesn't open at all 
 on startup. It seems that the system is not paying any attention to the 
 file DefaultTiddlers (even when modified via the control panel). Anyway, 
 maybe I should just start with a fresh copy of tiddlywiki.


 On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:40:13 UTC+10, Andreas Hahn wrote:

 Hi James, 

 does the Home tiddler exist within the wiki ? And is Home its complete 
 name ? Also did you remove the GettingStarted tiddler from the list ? 

 /Andreas 

 P.S.: If the tiddler is named Home.tid within the wiki, you would have 
 to put Home.tid into the list, however there is no point in having the 
 .tid extension within the wiki. 



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Re: [tw] [TW5] Constant messages from discarded drafts

2014-09-02 Thread James Knight
Ok so I have experienced this issue again.

It defiantly appears to be when I loose connection with the server. Our 
unstable internet at work blinked out momentarily and when I added a note 
in my tiddly it saved fine but popped up the error about the draft again. I 
attempted to have this error occur when refreshing or closing the browser 
but it apears to handle those situations fine.

As a quick work around I have set up a Cron job to shutdown my tiddlywiki 
then start it again as this seems to fix it.

On Wednesday, 20 August 2014 20:38:08 UTC+8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi James

 I'm sorry you've been having problems. Do these messages popup in the 
 browser or in the server terminal? You mention dismissing the dialog boxes 
 when you open the wiki in the browser, which makes it sound like the 
 messages are appearing in the browser.

 The error message means that the server side is trying to delete files 
 corresponding to two different tiddlers, and in each case the deletion is 
 failing because the file doesn't exist.

 The thing that's very strange is that you're seeing these messages at 
 startup, which presumably means that the deletion attempts were not caused 
 by user interaction. I don't quite see how that could happen.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy


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 javascript: wrote:

 Hey everyone, Love using TW5.

 I'm on Tiddllywiki 5 *5.0.14-beta *Node.js installed through npm on an 
 AMR system running a version of Debian
 (Cubian on my Cubie truck to be specific)

 I am consistently having the following error messages popups:


 Sync error while processing 'Draft of 'Networking setup*: Error: ENOENT, 
 unlink '/ssd/html/tiddly/tiddlers/Draft of 'Networking setup'.tid'*


 and

  Sync error while processing 'Draft of 'New Tiddler 1*: Error: ENOENT, 
 unlink '/ssd/html/tiddly/tiddlers/Draft of 'New Tiddler 1'.tid'*


 I've had these pop up in the past with previous versions and my solution 
 has always been to download a copy, wipe the server files then re-import my 
 wiki (after clearing the error message on my local copy). I have just 
 atempted to start completely clean and rebuild from scratch but now these 
 messages are back.

 Clearly not ideal. has anyone else had experiences with fixing this? or 
 is there any simple way to just disable these messages as everything seems 
 to work just fine it's just annoying to have to dismiss these dialog boxes 
 every time I open my wiki.

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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread James Mars
Hi,

I created a new test node.js wiki (initialized then started it). Created a 
tiddler Homepage within the wiki and saved it. Went to the control panel, 
replaced GettingStarted with Homepage in the startup list, then went to 
save it (using the save -red- icon on the right menu), then firefox opens 
up the saving dialog box asking where I would like to save the html file. I 
save it, but nothing changes. That firefox is asking where to save a html 
file whenever I try to save a change via the control panel looks a little 
strange.. is this the default behaviour?

Hi, Yes it does... I have no problem accessing/displaying it inside the 
 wiki directly (ie, via the search panel). Its complete name is Home.tid 
 but defined as Home in the startup page list. The GettingStarted page 
 is not in the list.. there is only Home there, and Home doesn't open at all 
 on startup. It seems that the system is not paying any attention to the 
 file DefaultTiddlers (even when modified via the control panel). Anyway, 
 maybe I should just start with a fresh copy of tiddlywiki.


 On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:40:13 UTC+10, Andreas Hahn wrote:

 Hi James, 

 does the Home tiddler exist within the wiki ? And is Home its complete 
 name ? Also did you remove the GettingStarted tiddler from the list ? 

 /Andreas 

 P.S.: If the tiddler is named Home.tid within the wiki, you would have 
 to put Home.tid into the list, however there is no point in having the 
 .tid extension within the wiki. 



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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread James Mars
Thanks for your help Andreas.. I found the problem.. Bookmark to access 
tiddlywiki had GettingStarted in its url.. oops :)

James

On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 13:19:22 UTC+10, James Mars wrote:

 Hi,

 I created a new test node.js wiki (initialized then started it). Created a 
 tiddler Homepage within the wiki and saved it. Went to the control panel, 
 replaced GettingStarted with Homepage in the startup list, then went to 
 save it (using the save -red- icon on the right menu), then firefox opens 
 up the saving dialog box asking where I would like to save the html file. I 
 save it, but nothing changes. That firefox is asking where to save a html 
 file whenever I try to save a change via the control panel looks a little 
 strange.. is this the default behaviour?

 Hi, Yes it does... I have no problem accessing/displaying it inside the 
 wiki directly (ie, via the search panel). Its complete name is Home.tid 
 but defined as Home in the startup page list. The GettingStarted page 
 is not in the list.. there is only Home there, and Home doesn't open at all 
 on startup. It seems that the system is not paying any attention to the 
 file DefaultTiddlers (even when modified via the control panel). Anyway, 
 maybe I should just start with a fresh copy of tiddlywiki.


 On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:40:13 UTC+10, Andreas Hahn wrote:

 Hi James, 

 does the Home tiddler exist within the wiki ? And is Home its complete 
 name ? Also did you remove the GettingStarted tiddler from the list ? 

 /Andreas 

 P.S.: If the tiddler is named Home.tid within the wiki, you would have 
 to put Home.tid into the list, however there is no point in having the 
 .tid extension within the wiki. 



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[tw] Re: [TW5] How to import/export subset of tiddlers?

2014-09-02 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Thank you for your response.

I'm surprised that a task so important is buried so deeply. When evaluating 
information managers (and I've looked at dozens) one of the first things I 
do is consider how I can get my data in/out in the event that the software 
is no longer supported. I can't be the only one looking for this feature.

What is the empty save? How is it triggered?

Thanks again,
Mark

On Monday, September 1, 2014 11:44:59 PM UTC-8, James Anderson wrote:

 looking at $:/editions/tw5.com/download-empty might help you (on 
 tiddlywiki.com)

 if you add [tag[introduction]]  to the \define saveTiddlerFilter() macro 
 you will include all tiddlers tagged with introduction to the empty save.


 On Monday, 1 September 2014 23:58:22 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:

 Hello,

 I've looked through the information at tiddlywiki.com and this forum, 
 but haven't seen this directly addressed. 

 Is there a standard method or known plugin for exporting and importing a 
 set (probably tagged) of tiddlers? In this case, I'm not concerned with the 
 output/input format -- I'm mostly concerned about managing tiddlers as a 
 particular page becomes too large.

 Thank you,
 Mark



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[tw] What is the meaning of triple curly braces?

2014-09-02 Thread 'c pa' via TiddlyWiki
When I use triple curly braces every word is displayed as a link. Why?

{{{ This is

a test

}}}

Is displayed the same as 
[[This]]br/
[[is]]br/
[[a]]br/
[[test]]br/

Which seems odd. I can't find any explanation. I'm using 5.0.16-beta

Enclosing things in triple dollars $$$ creates a precode block. That's 
cool.
Enclosing things in triple double quotes  formats lines preserving line 
breaks
Are there any other triple character effects?

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[tw] Re: What is the meaning of triple curly braces?

2014-09-02 Thread Stephan Hradek


Am Mittwoch, 3. September 2014 06:01:33 UTC+2 schrieb c pa:

 Which seems odd. I can't find any explanation. I'm using 5.0.16-beta

 Search for {{{ on tiddlywiki.com and you'll find this: 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Transclusion%20in%20WikiText Does it help? 

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Re: [tw] Changing default (home) page

2014-09-02 Thread Eric Shulman
On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 8:19:22 PM UTC-7, James Mars wrote:

 ...firefox is asking where to save a html file whenever I try to save a 
 change...


This would indicate that you are using Firefox without the TiddlyFox add-on 
that enables direct file I/O.  Without TiddlyFox, Firefox falls back to 
using its built-in download saver, which *mimics* a remote download so 
that you can still save the updated TiddlyWiki file on your local system. 
 If you install TiddlyFox (or use the stand-alone TiddlyDesktop 
application), you can get more robust, *direct* file I/O handling, without 
having to interact with a dialog box each time you save your changes.

enjoy,
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