date:20160927

What version of Android? Are you using TiddlyFox on Firefox for saving? I'm 
not sure if these questions will be useful, but trying to work around the 
edges a bit.

Good luck --
Mark

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 4:48:29 PM UTC-7, Egbert wrote:
>
> ...oh, it's Firefox version 49.0 and AndTidWiki 1.0.0
>
> On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 00:29:10 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, what browser and version are you using? If you 
>> copy the TW back to your desktop, do you still get the problem?
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Mark
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Egbert wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am relatively new to Tiddly Wiki and recently encountered problems 
>>> with an error (Internal Java Script Error: Uncaught Type Error: Cannot set 
>>> property ´data´ of undefined.) when editing tiddlers on my mobile phone, 
>>> which makes creating/editing tiddlers very difficult. Is this maybe a bug 
>>> that would be corrected in the next Tiddly Wiki version 5.1.14? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Egbert 
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Java Script Error on my mobile

...oh, it's Firefox version 49.0 and AndTidWiki 1.0.0

On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 00:29:10 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity, what browser and version are you using? If you copy 
> the TW back to your desktop, do you still get the problem?
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Egbert wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am relatively new to Tiddly Wiki and recently encountered problems with 
>> an error (Internal Java Script Error: Uncaught Type Error: Cannot set 
>> property ´data´ of undefined.) when editing tiddlers on my mobile phone, 
>> which makes creating/editing tiddlers very difficult. Is this maybe a bug 
>> that would be corrected in the next Tiddly Wiki version 5.1.14? 
>>
>>
>> Egbert 
>>
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[tw] Re: Java Script Error on my mobile

Hi Mark,

am using AndTidWiki and Firefox; with both I encounter these problems. No 
problems yet with desktop.

Thanks, Egbert

On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 00:29:10 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity, what browser and version are you using? If you copy 
> the TW back to your desktop, do you still get the problem?
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 3:59:38 PM UTC-7, Egbert wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am relatively new to Tiddly Wiki and recently encountered problems with 
>> an error (Internal Java Script Error: Uncaught Type Error: Cannot set 
>> property ´data´ of undefined.) when editing tiddlers on my mobile phone, 
>> which makes creating/editing tiddlers very difficult. Is this maybe a bug 
>> that would be corrected in the next Tiddly Wiki version 5.1.14? 
>>
>>
>> Egbert 
>>
>

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[tw] [TW5] Best up-to-date & stable data visualization plugin (e.g. json) for charts?

2016-09-27 Thread NT

Hi there. I was looking for some viz plugins and thought this should be an 
easy task.

But I found that the d3 plugin is still a proof of concept and other 
plugins are outdated, for TWc, experimental, without tw5 docs, or not made 
for data charts.

So I am looking for just one data visualization technology - probably in 
form of a TW5 plugin.
It should be
* stable - beta is ok, but please not experimental
* with docs for setup and usage in TW5
and optionally
* with support for representation of external json tiddlers
* and short, easy to use syntax

With chart I mean things like bar chart, pie chart, line chart and so on.

I would be very pleased, if there are any recommendations around :-)
THX

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[tw] Re: Java Script Error on my mobile

Just out of curiosity, what browser and version are you using? If you copy 
the TW back to your desktop, do you still get the problem?

Good luck!
Mark

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> Hi all,
>
> I am relatively new to Tiddly Wiki and recently encountered problems with 
> an error (Internal Java Script Error: Uncaught Type Error: Cannot set 
> property ´data´ of undefined.) when editing tiddlers on my mobile phone, 
> which makes creating/editing tiddlers very difficult. Is this maybe a bug 
> that would be corrected in the next Tiddly Wiki version 5.1.14? 
>
>
> Egbert 
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[tw] Calendar

Hello,

I would be also interested in a date picker for the extendable calendar
from bjtools. Because of my limited capabilities in programming, I tried to
use the datepicker by kixam as well as the two datepicker plugins created
by FrD. This failed (of course), since the datepicker plugins are not
specifically created for the calendar from bjtools ;-). As I said, my
programming abilities are the limiting factor. I also tried to use the
simplecalendar plugin by FrD (instead of bjtools), but somehow the chosen
date would not turn red in the sidebar (as it should be, I think); the
current date however is shown with a different background colour as it
should be, no problem. I hope someone could be able to help me out in this
forum.

Otherwise I really like this magnificent little piece of software and the
very active and very skilled community; TiddlyWiki triggers an interest in
understanding the software you’re dealing with, also for non-programmers.
Very well done!

Egbert

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[tw] Java Script Error on my mobile



Hi all,

I am relatively new to Tiddly Wiki and recently encountered problems with 
an error (Internal Java Script Error: Uncaught Type Error: Cannot set 
property ´data´ of undefined.) when editing tiddlers on my mobile phone, 
which makes creating/editing tiddlers very difficult. Is this maybe a bug 
that would be corrected in the next Tiddly Wiki version 5.1.14? 


Egbert 

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[tw] Re: Creating a dropdown to pass values to a template?

How about if you tack "+[sort[]]" on the end?

Mark

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 9:23:25 AM UTC-7, leeand00 wrote:
>
>
>
> Is it possible to use a sort here at the end to sort the whole thing?
>
> [tag[tag3]][tag[tag1]][tag[tag2]][tag[tag5]][tag[tag4]][tag[tag6]][tag[
> tag8]][tag[tag7]]+[tag[notherTag]]
>
> I've tried it, but it doesn't seem to bring back the desired sort...is 
> there a way to do it?
>
> Thank you,
> Andrew J. Leer
>
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[tw] Re: Creating a dropdown to pass values to a template?

2016-09-27 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hi Andrew, is the + needed before the last tag-section?

[tag[Date Operators]] [tag[each Operator]] [tag[Editions]] +[tag[Filter 
Operators]] +[sort[]] works for me on tiddlywiki.com

[tag[Date Operators]] [tag[each Operator]] [tag[Editions]] [tag[Filter 
Operators]] +[sort[]] gives more results (sorted)

Good luck!
Thomas

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?

The biggest problem* I've* seen in using TW on mobile, is that the editor 
doesn't keep up with the keyboard.

I've commented on this before. Apparently ever since TW5 there is some sort 
of constant refresh loop going on. I suppose it makes the letter-by-letter 
search possible, but I would prefer typing speed over a trendy search 
engine.  If you're a touch-typist, or typing on an ordinary tablet, you 
will see definite lag. I don't experience the same lag in other apps like 
Simplenote or Evernote.

BJ posted some instructions for altering a variable that may make a 
difference. I believe only steps #4 and on are necessary now. (except you 
probably want to make a backup still).

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/1cOZyZKKFrY/rnacrjW90YMJ  

I just tried it, but cranked the value up to 4. It might be doing 
something. Try it and see.

Mark

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[tw] [TW5] My new poject on Tiddlywiki and my new questions...

2016-09-27 Thread sini-Kit

Hi! I use TW5 as CMS for making sites (on-line stores, blogs and so on) and
today I start new project http://design4shop.ru/ (
http://design4shop.ru/heeg.html)
this site is about design of off-line non-food stores. I want to make a
great collection of shops from all over the world and attach to them some
fields with parameters: style, size, color, type so peple can select
shop they like very fast.

I have a great number of folders with pictures. Each folder contain
3-10 photos for each shop. So my first proble was to use many EXTERNAL
photos with "alt" tag and some info about this photo, and my second problem
was to take titles of folders, automatically make shop tiddlers with this
titles and automatically attach (by tag) external photos from problem 1.
The only way I found was EXCEL . I download simple macros which make table
with files and path to them. then using excel formulas prepare TW5 table,
export it to html file, and then import this file to my TW5 site. This
variant saved me lots of time, but may be it is possible to use node.js for
this purposes?

The next my idea was, that if TW5 will have more easy mechanism of working
with many external pictures, it can be a good CMS for different collectors
of coins, stamps or art. This people can save photos of their coins with
different parameters. For example: gold, 18 century, Russia, and some text
about this coin. And using filters + checkboxes (or search) quickly find
photo in their collection. TW5 can become a kind of personal catalog for
collectors.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Issue using the KeyboardWidget with the add tag text field

2016-09-27 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Novan

Expanding on Mario’s answer, the specific problem here is that each change to 
$:/temp/NewTagName triggers a refresh of the entire keyboard widget. You can 
avoid it by switching to using an action widget via the “actions” attribute. 
For example

\define the-actions()
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-add-tag" $param={{$:/temp/NewTagName}}/>
\end

<$keyboard key=“enter” actions=<>>
<$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/NewTagName" tag="input" default="" 
placeholder={{$:/language/EditTemplate/Tags/Add/Placeholder}} 
focusPopup=<> 
class="tc-edit-texteditor tc-popup-handle"/>


Here, the content of the “actions” attribute isn’t parsed and rendered until 
the action is triggered, avoiding the refresh problem.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> On 27 Sep 2016, at 20:10, PMario  wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 4:12:15 PM UTC+2, Novan Leon wrote:
> This seems like a fairly simple use case but perhaps I'm missing something. 
> Am I making a mistake or is this a known issues with KeyboardWidget 
> ?
>  Without visibility into the underlying JavaScript behind the widget itself, 
> it's difficult to diagnose.
> 
> You don't miss anything. ... That's a problem "by design" and html input 
> element focus behaviour :/
> 
> The TiddlyWiki5 widget refresh mechanism is much more aggressive then 
> TWclassic's. It basically propagates every single key stroke. That makes it 
> possible, to dynamically update the eg: tag dropdown. Which gets shorter 
> everytime you add a new character. That behaviour is intended, but there is a 
> donwside too.
> 
> Since the keyboard widget wrapps the edit-text widget, every time you type a 
> character both of them are redrawn, which causes a focus loss for the text 
> input. 
> 
> The only possibility imo would be a new edit-xxx widget, that propagates text 
> changes only on eg: shift or ctrl presses. Which would be an interesting 
> experiment.
> 
> have fun!
> mario
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Issue using the KeyboardWidget with the add tag text field

:) too slow

tested this: 

\define xxx()
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-notify" $param="SampleNotification"/>
<$action-listops $tags="+[append{$:/temp/NewTagName}]"/>
\end

<$keyboard actions=<> key="enter">
<$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/NewTagName" tag="input" default="" 
placeholder={{$:/language/EditTemplate/Tags/Add/Placeholder}} 
focusPopup=<> 
class="tc-edit-texteditor tc-popup-handle" focus/>


-m

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?

2016-09-27 Thread David Szego

Hi Danielo,

So... I've fixed the scroll problems with *Cardo* , and 
packaged up both the code and the UI tweaks as a proper theme and plugin. 
That will be posted in the next day or two.

More than preventing horizontal scroll, I've added CSS media selectors to 
make all buttons bigger when it thinks it's on a phone or tablet. This 
makes it actually *usable *on my Note4 and any 7" 1280x800 tablet. In fact, 
it shrinks quite nicely right down to 480x320 (landscape).

Even better, now that I'm only concerned about scrolling up and down, 
viewing Cards (Tiddlers, see other discussion!) at full-width, I've started 
to add code to allow swiping left-right on a Tiddler to switch between 
Tiddlers open in the storyView, by adding a touchstart / touchend listener 
to the tc-tiddler-frame div.

If anyone could offer help with *that*, I'd really love it. We can start a 
separate thread.

The biggest problem* I've* seen in using TW on mobile, is that the editor 
doesn't keep up with the keyboard.

On Monday, 26 September 2016 12:51:47 UTC-4, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
>
> Cardo  requires so much horizontal scroll that I 
> forget about what was at the left side when I reach the other side of the 
> wiki. 
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Issue using the KeyboardWidget with the add tag text field

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 4:12:15 PM UTC+2, Novan Leon wrote:
>
> This seems like a fairly simple use case but perhaps I'm missing 
> something. Am I making a mistake or is this a known issues with 
> KeyboardWidget 
> ?
>  
> Without visibility into the underlying JavaScript behind the widget itself, 
> it's difficult to diagnose.
>

You don't miss anything. ... That's a problem "by design" and html input 
element focus behaviour :/

The TiddlyWiki5 widget refresh mechanism is much more aggressive then 
TWclassic's. It basically propagates every single key stroke. That makes it 
possible, to dynamically update the eg: tag dropdown. Which gets shorter 
everytime you add a new character. That behaviour is intended, but there is 
a donwside too.

Since the keyboard widget wrapps the edit-text widget, every time you type 
a character both of them are redrawn, which causes a focus loss for the 
text input. 

The only possibility imo would be a new edit-xxx widget, that propagates 
text changes only on eg: shift or ctrl presses. Which would be an 
interesting experiment.

have fun!
mario

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[tw] [TW5] How can you make markdown the default when creating from missing tiddler?

2016-09-27 Thread Richard Batty

I have installed the markdown plugin and I have the 'create a new markdown 
tiddler' which works fine. But when I create a link to a tiddler that 
doesn't exist, then click on it, and I get the "missing tiddler ... click 
to create", and then I click the edit button to create, it creates a wiki 
syntax tiddler.

How can I get it to default to creating markdown tiddlers?

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[tw] Creating a dropdown to pass values to a template?

2016-09-27 Thread leeand00



Is it possible to use a sort here at the end to sort the whole thing?

[tag[tag3]][tag[tag1]][tag[tag2]][tag[tag5]][tag[tag4]][tag[tag6]][tag[tag8
]][tag[tag7]]+[tag[notherTag]]

I've tried it, but it doesn't seem to bring back the desired sort...is 
there a way to do it?

Thank you,
Andrew J. Leer

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[tw] [TW5] Issue using the KeyboardWidget with the add tag text field

2016-09-27 Thread Novan Leon

*Preface:*

I'm fairly experienced with TWC and I'm just now beginning to fool around
with TW5. TWC was fairly straightforward: If you wanted to modify the
underlying UI and/or functionality of the wiki, you create a macro and use
JavaScript together with the built-in TW functions like
"createTiddlyButton" to build the elements you want to dynamically insert.
In comparison, TW5's system of widgets, macros, variables,
transclusion-heavy tiddlers, etc. was a bit overwhelming at first but I'm
beginning to get a handle on it... or so I thought.

*Issue:*

I want to make it so I can press Enter to add a tag instead having to click
the "Add" button every time. They KeyboardWidget
seemed built specifically
for this purpose.

I edited *$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags* and surrounded the "add tag"
$edit-text widget with my $keyboard widget like so:

<$keyboard message="tm-add-tag" param={{$:/temp/NewTagName}} key="enter">
<$edit-text tiddler="$:/temp/NewTagName" tag="input" default=""
placeholder={{$:/language/EditTemplate/Tags/Add/Placeholder}} focusPopup=<
> class="tc-edit-texteditor
tc-popup-handle"/>

The good news is, when I press Enter, it now adds whatever text is in the
"add tag" field to the tag list. The bad news is, as I'm typing, after
every keypress the "add tag" field loses focus, essentially making typing
impossible.

This seems like a fairly simple use case but perhaps I'm missing something.
Am I making a mistake or is this a known issues with KeyboardWidget
?

Without visibility into the underlying JavaScript behind the widget itself,
it's difficult to diagnose.

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?

2016-09-27 Thread Anton Aylward

Yes.
Before I got my tablet, and its not a tiny screen, it's all of 12", the 
screen is the size of an 8x11 piece of paper, I used TiddlyWiki a lot.  The 
convenience of the tablet, not being tied to the desk and office and the 
fluorescent lights and ill positioned desk is too great.  Bluetooth and 
lack of wires is wonderful.  I use my 5" phone for quite different things 
from my tablet.  Heck, its a phone and my tablet isn't!

I never managed to get TiddlyWiki working satisfactory on the tablet; 
that's a technical issues not a screen size issue.  It seems possible but 
is convoluted and as you say, bandwidth and storage as not as free and easy 
as with desktops.  Yes, on the one hand there are applications which drop 
functionality for mobile applications, but there are some vendors that have 
gone out of their way to focus on enhancing the use of mobile apps.  Moving 
MS-office to mobile vs the use of Google Tools is one example.  There are 
some good HOW-to examples of smaller screen copatibility.  CSS is your 
friend :-)  Wikipedia offers a good example.

I don't know about using 5" or smaller (phone) screens for things like 
TiddlyWiki or text input as office-like functions rather than TXTing.  I 
have a lot of apps on my 5" phone that are very useful but are only 
applicable to a small screen, some of them involving GPS for instance.  
Other things I can't imagine possible on a small screen like Photoshop.  I 
use a minimum 19" screen for that at my desk but I'd love one of those 
Cinerama wide screens where I could put two or three 'documents' up side by 
side, each the size of a piece of 8x11 paper, all better than 96dpi.  

So I'm discouraged and dispirited.  I keep up this subscription, read the 
occasional article, but I'm not using TiddlyWiki very much these days.

On Monday, 26 September 2016 12:51:47 UTC-4, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This is both a reflection, a touch of attention and a desperate call to 
> all the users that feels like me, if there is any.
>
> Three years ago when I first discovered tiddlywiki I found both, 
> TWClassing and TW5. I decided to go for TW5 because it looked much better 
> on my mobile, and that gave me a feeling of future-proof software. As 
> opposed to TWClassic, which remind me to the first mobile web experiences: 
> an unreadable bird view of a page that required to zoom and scroll all the 
> time. So, as I said, despite it's lacks and faults I go for tw 5.0.5
>
> After three years things haven't evolved for mobile users, or at least not 
> in the good way. The only community that grows is that one that doesn't 
> care about mobile, which is presumably the same that didn't care about it 
> on TWClassic before, but now on TW5. The only issues that are discussed and 
> the new features that are implemented doesn't care about mobile, it doesn't 
> matter, it is just take for granted, what we have is good enough. 
>
> I read this forum mostly from mobile, and when someone makes an 
> announcement, or posts a link to any new good stuff my first impression is 
> the one that I have from my phone. If I'm unable to use it comfortably on 
> mobile I usually close that tab and forget about it.
>
> In a world that is moving to "mobile first, forget about desktop focus on 
> mobile, mobile rules!" experiences, tiddlywiki community is moving on the 
> opposite direction. Twitter, Facebook and Github are examples of how doing 
> things well: If I add their page to my home screen I can't distinguish it 
> from a native app.
>
> Just to mention some examples, Jed Carty 
>  has a wiki that seems to hate mobile 
> screens, Mat's magic  
> seems to be restricted to desktop browsers, Cardo  
> requires so much horizontal scroll that I forget about what was at the left 
> side when I reach the other side of the wiki. I fought to death with Felix 
> to convince him to provide an alternative way of displaying Tiddlymap's 
> graphs, because on his extra-extra wide screen it was just fine to put 
> everything on the sidebar. A couple of alerts is enough to fill the 
> entire screen , 
> popups are used everywhere like they were a good idea, and the new search 
> mechanism on a popup is just *a bad joke*. Most of the users here don't 
> see any advantage on using NoteSelf because syncing an entire file of 
> *6MB* on their high bandwidth internet connections is not even 
> noticeable. And those are just some random examples on an entire sea of 
> issues for mobile users.
>
> I would ask to those tiddlywiki wizards that do not want to care about 
> mobile to totally disable their creations on mobile, because the lack of a 
> feature is better than a bad experience using it. Github for example 
> doesn't have all the features on their mobile version.
>
> Does anybody subscribe to any of the things that I said above?

Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyChrome and the elimination of Chrome Apps

2016-09-27 Thread Paul Hutchinson

FYI OldVersion.com has archived the old installers for most popular 
software, the ones for Chrome are here: 
http://www.oldversion.com/windows/google-chrome/

Paul

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 8:57:34 AM UTC-4, Greg Davis wrote:
>
> If you are worried about TiddlyChrome going away, example for putting a 
> TiddlyWiki on Tiddlyspot, then you might want to consider getting a copy of 
> Google Chrome Portable from PortableApps.com 
> http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portable
>
> It can be "installed" locally on your PC without their Platform. Just add 
> TiddlyChrome and then zip the entire folder to keep in case later versions 
> of Chrome drop support for the app. It is an online installer to comply 
> with Google licensing, so you will have to install to get Chrome. You shold 
> note on that link that because of Chrome's design it does have issues with 
> portable use so a local install probably avoids those issues. If you don't 
> like it just delete the GoogleChromePortable folder, it's gone.
>
> Came in handy when Chrome dropped support for XP, which still use 
> occasionaly, made copies of the last few as neared version that dropped 
> support.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyChrome and the elimination of Chrome Apps

2016-09-27 Thread Greg Davis

If you are worried about TiddlyChrome going away, example for putting a 
TiddlyWiki on Tiddlyspot, then you might want to consider getting a copy of 
Google Chrome Portable from PortableApps.com 
http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portable

It can be "installed" locally on your PC without their Platform. Just add 
TiddlyChrome and then zip the entire folder to keep in case later versions 
of Chrome drop support for the app. It is an online installer to comply 
with Google licensing, so you will have to install to get Chrome. You shold 
note on that link that because of Chrome's design it does have issues with 
portable use so a local install probably avoids those issues. If you don't 
like it just delete the GoogleChromePortable folder, it's gone.

Came in handy when Chrome dropped support for XP, which still use 
occasionaly, made copies of the last few as neared version that dropped 
support.

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?

Hello  Raymond

>  I've had issues, and I've learned to work around them. 
>

And that exactly the problem. Your workarounds remains private to you, but 
regular users still suffering from it.
 

>  I'm still trying to figure out how to keep my wiki updated across several 
> machines, including my phone and my tablet, as well as my laptop and 
> desktop, but there's been no issue with viewing or editing my stuff. Maybe 
> my needs are simple.
>

>From what you expressed I think that NoteSelf may suit your needs: 
https://noteself.github.io It is in beta so be cautious

 

> I try to keep things as human readable as possible so there are lots of 
> mechanisms I simply leave alone, and my experience on my mobile devices 
> have remained quite acceptable to date. 
>

It is quite acceptable, but there are some small frictions that make the 
experience a bit rough. And that talking about raw tiddlywikis, but if you 
move to custom plugins and editions you will find different scenarios. 

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?


Hello Pmario
 

> I think you are right. But that's just a matter of mobile friendly themes 
> and time. ... It's a hell lot of work to create and support themes. 
> Especially support is time consuming. So imo that's the reason, why nobody 
> did or published them. ... yet. 
>

There are attempts to create mobile themes (in fact, I tried myself) , but 
themes are very limited and can't modify TW as deep as required. Or that is 
my impression
 

>
> As some of you may know: I don't like popups. That's why I try to remove 
> all of them, with something, that works for me. As a side effect this 
> should be good for mobile too. 
>

Indeed. Popups are an horrible idea in general and specially on mobile. I 
would like to see your workarounds for this.
 

>
> On the other hand I love real keyboards and big screens, even on phones. 
> (OT: I think the Nokia E90 
> is
>  
> still superior to recent phones with on-screen keyboards.) So for me a 
> tablet will probably never be an option.
>

Personally I prefer the nokia n9: https://goo.gl/images/Bd3ko8
But if we talk about something more recent, maybe you want to take a look 
at pyra handled, it includes 4G connection and it is in fact a small 
computer.
 

>
> I personally think, that future phones will converge into desktops 
> 
>  
> and back without any friction. 
>

That convergence has nothing to do with how information is displayed 
depending on the screen size. Usually we talk abou mobile friendly, but 
small screens and small windows also apply. The only thing that I can see 
related to the convergence is that the same application will run both on 
small and big screens, so it should be able to adapt.
 

> There are only 2 points that are important for me: 
>
>  - a good reading experience on mobile phones.
>  - good editing experience with keyboard and / or monitor attached, on 
> what ever device is able to handle that.
>

We share the same objectives.  

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?

2016-09-27 Thread Raymond McDowell

For me, the advent of TW5 was and is a godsend. For 20 some years I 
searched and experimented with anything that could remotely meet my needs 
of desktop/mobile/laptop access, whether I was traveling in China, the 
Philippines or at home in Hong Kong where I wanted to be able to access and 
edit my body of work on the run or at my desk. For some time I used TW5 
with a cloud service so I could have my "stuff" whenever I wanted it. I was 
actually happy with my mobile experience. the menu was at the top of the 
screen, the text was easily scroll-able and links worked. I've had issues, 
and I've learned to work around them. 

Having said that, for the past couple of years I've resided in the 
hinterlands of the Philippines without a reliable internet connection. I'm 
still trying to figure out how to keep my wiki updated across several 
machines, including my phone and my tablet, as well as my laptop and 
desktop, but there's been no issue with viewing or editing my stuff. Maybe 
my needs are simple. I try to keep things as human readable as possible so 
there are lots of mechanisms I simply leave alone, and my experience on my 
mobile devices have remained quite acceptable to date. 

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 12:51:47 AM UTC+8, Danielo Rodríguez 
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This is both a reflection, a touch of attention and a desperate call to 
> all the users that feels like me, if there is any.
>
> Three years ago when I first discovered tiddlywiki I found both, 
> TWClassing and TW5. I decided to go for TW5 because it looked much better 
> on my mobile, and that gave me a feeling of future-proof software. As 
> opposed to TWClassic, which remind me to the first mobile web experiences: 
> an unreadable bird view of a page that required to zoom and scroll all the 
> time. So, as I said, despite it's lacks and faults I go for tw 5.0.5
>
> After three years things haven't evolved for mobile users, or at least not 
> in the good way. The only community that grows is that one that doesn't 
> care about mobile, which is presumably the same that didn't care about it 
> on TWClassic before, but now on TW5. The only issues that are discussed and 
> the new features that are implemented doesn't care about mobile, it doesn't 
> matter, it is just take for granted, what we have is good enough. 
>
> I read this forum mostly from mobile, and when someone makes an 
> announcement, or posts a link to any new good stuff my first impression is 
> the one that I have from my phone. If I'm unable to use it comfortably on 
> mobile I usually close that tab and forget about it.
>
> In a world that is moving to "mobile first, forget about desktop focus on 
> mobile, mobile rules!" experiences, tiddlywiki community is moving on the 
> opposite direction. Twitter, Facebook and Github are examples of how doing 
> things well: If I add their page to my home screen I can't distinguish it 
> from a native app.
>
> Just to mention some examples, Jed Carty 
>  has a wiki that seems to hate mobile 
> screens, Mat's magic  
> seems to be restricted to desktop browsers, Cardo  
> requires so much horizontal scroll that I forget about what was at the left 
> side when I reach the other side of the wiki. I fought to death with Felix 
> to convince him to provide an alternative way of displaying Tiddlymap's 
> graphs, because on his extra-extra wide screen it was just fine to put 
> everything on the sidebar. A couple of alerts is enough to fill the 
> entire screen , 
> popups are used everywhere like they were a good idea, and the new search 
> mechanism on a popup is just *a bad joke*. Most of the users here don't 
> see any advantage on using NoteSelf because syncing an entire file of 
> *6MB* on their high bandwidth internet connections is not even 
> noticeable. And those are just some random examples on an entire sea of 
> issues for mobile users.
>
> I would ask to those tiddlywiki wizards that do not want to care about 
> mobile to totally disable their creations on mobile, because the lack of a 
> feature is better than a bad experience using it. Github for example 
> doesn't have all the features on their mobile version.
>
> Does anybody subscribe to any of the things that I said above? Am I the 
> only interested on using tiddlywiki on my mobile phone? I want to know this 
> because it maybe it will be easier to leave tiddlywiki and go with any of 
> the products that cares about mobile than fighting the entire community.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?

Hi Danielo,

I think you are right. But that's just a matter of mobile friendly themes
and time. ... It's a hell lot of work to create and support themes.
Especially support is time consuming. So imo that's the reason, why nobody
did or published them. ... yet.

As some of you may know: I don't like popups. That's why I try to remove
all of them, with something, that works for me. As a side effect this
should be good for mobile too.

On the other hand I love real keyboards and big screens, even on phones.
(OT: I think the Nokia E90
is

still superior to recent phones with on-screen keyboards.) So for me a
tablet will probably never be an option.

I personally think, that future phones will converge into desktops
and
back without any friction. Android and Windows have similar concepts, but
I'm not interested in them, so I don't know links here. Apple has their own
concept, which guaranties them maximum profit.

There are only 2 points that are important for me:

- a good reading experience on mobile phones.
- good editing experience with keyboard and / or monitor attached, on what
ever device is able to handle that.

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 9:48:09 AM UTC+2, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Again, I'm not referring to any mobile app. Just visit github.com,
>

That's a good reminder to file a bug at github. thx for that :)

You are right. But the only thing you can do there is switch to the desktop 
version, because the mobile version is completely useless. ... And the 
curious thing then is, that they are wasting 1.5cm of vertical space to 
display a f*?&%$ing button to switch back to the useless mobile version. 
That really sucks. 

For me the desktop version works just fine on my 5inch phone. 

> facebook.com or twitter.com from your mobile phone and you will see what 
> I mean. Those are web pages that feel like native apps, but they are just 
> web pages
>

I don't use those. So no opinion here. 

-m 

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?



El lunes, 26 de septiembre de 2016, 21:30:55 (UTC+2), Jed Carty escribió:
>
> Mainly in the places where the low-powered computing aspects are relevant.
>
Some phones are low powered, but some others are pure beasts.
 

> That said I do think that the practice that I have seen pushed so hard by 
> many large tech companies of removing functionality form products because 
> it doesn't work on the current paradigm of mobile interface is short 
> sighted to the point of being actively harmful to the future by teaching a 
> generation of technology users that if you can't do something on a 5 inch 
> touch screen than you can't do it.
>

That vision is a bit limited. Limiting features of a product on a screen 
where they are literally unusable is not limiting the product, is limiting 
that product on that particular scenario. Those features would be available 
on larger screens.
 

> I would like to add more to tiddlywiki to help create things that can be 
> easily used on a variety of screens. In my opinion the problem is that we 
> (as in developers/designers in general) haven't worked out rules for what 
> works and what doesn't yet. 
>

Probably true
 

> I want something that works as well on a mobile device as on a desktop, 
> but as long as the accepted way to do that is to cripple the desktop 
> version I am not going to be involved.
>

Valid point. But not being mobile first does not mean ignoring mobile 
totally. 

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[tw] Re: Am I alone on mobile usage of TW?



El lunes, 26 de septiembre de 2016, 23:39:59 (UTC+2), Mark S. escribió:
>
> Are you saying that you want a special TW app? 
>

Not, not even close to what I meant.
 

> Facebook, Github, and Twitter have separate teams of programmers that can 
> work on the app apart from the original. Basically, they have to re-create 
> the look and feel of the original app, without actually re-using any code.
>

Again, I'm not referring to any mobile app. Just visit github.com, 
facebook.com or twitter.com from your mobile phone and you will see what I 
mean. Those are web pages that feel like native apps, but they are just web 
pages

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