Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

[Marica Odagaki]

Re: StackOverflow..

I don't know if Tobias originally meant this with "dedicated" (though 
guessing yes), but it's possible to create a whole new StackOverflow-style 
Q site under the stackexchange.com domain: something like 
http://tiddlywiki.stackexchange.com/, if we go through a multi-phase 
proposal and acceptance process.

Proposal example: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/86758/django-cms
Q site example: http://drupal.stackexchange.com/

Benefits over stackoverflow.com:
- We can build up a tagging taxonomy within the context of TiddlyWiki
- We can welcome non-coding questions as well as coding questions

Benefits of a StackOverflow-style Q site in general:
- The most useful answer is shown at the top, which isn't the case with 
Google Groups; past Q can serve as a useful resource for future visitors
- Comes with moderation tooling like closing as off-topic, voting to 
indicate usefulness of questions and answers, and ability to mark an answer 
as "correct" / "helpful"
- Tags can each have an associated documentation page (not to say it should 
be the home of documentation of all things TiddlyWiki)
- Comes with real-time chat rooms

I believe this won't be a good place for announcements of new plugins and 
such; Reddit or Google Groups seem more suitable as a place for content 
bound to a specific time.

In any case, if there's interest, we can make it happen. The process 
involves defining the scope of the site (this seems straightforward), and 
having at least two hundred people sign up and say "I commit to be active 
in this site" (there's a bit more to the acceptance criteria though).

(Personal context: I've been using TiddlyWiki5 as my personal notebook for 
a while now, and I've been active on some of the StackExchange network 
sites)

Cheers,
Marica

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[tw] Re: Filtered search for tags with open all option?

[David Gifford]

Here is the link. Click .Helps to open the tiddlers tagged .Helps.

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi guys
>
> I use Tobias' $:/.tb/macros/list-search to create a filtered list of tags, 
> shown as links, with this
>
> < "[!is[system]is[tiddler]tags[]sort[title]]"
> "search:title"
> "$:/temp/list-search-sidebar-system-and-shadows">>
>
> But I would really like the option to open all the tags. Would there be a 
> way to tweak the macro so that either the links themselves open all the 
> tiddlers so tagged, or so that there is an (open all) button next to each 
> tag in the list?
>
> I was going to use a different template than $:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate 
> to display the list results, and add a button to it, but on tiddlywiki.com 
> I don't see a message for 'open tiddlers' for such a button. So I am not 
> sure how to proceed. 
>
> Dave 
>

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[tw] Re: Hiding the extra space between the tiddler title and the tiddler text.

[David Gifford]

Here is the file with the adjusted spacing. You have to create a few 
tiddlers with text and use the topmenu Hide button to hide the tiddler 
titles to see what I did. http://giffmex.org/experiments/notestorm2017.html

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Okay, one of only two more questions to ask for the day...
>
> I have this in my top menu
>
> <$fieldmangler tiddler="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title">
> <$button message="tm-add-tag" class="tc-btn-invisible tc-tiddlylink" 
> param="$:/tags/ViewTemplate">show <$button 
> message="tm-remove-tag" class="tc-btn-invisible tc-tiddlylink" 
> param="$:/tags/ViewTemplate">hide
>
> The titles and toolbar disappear, but there is still some unwanted space 
> still showing above the tiddler text. Probably some kind of extra space so 
> that the title and text are spearated. How might I also remove that when 
> clicking the mangler button? 
>

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[tw] Re: Last Q I promise...new tiddler with special title

[David Gifford]

Here is the file with this button 
http://giffmex.org/experiments/notestorm2017.html

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 1:44:30 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like a new tiddler button that creates a title that is a 
> combination of text and the current date and time stamp.
>
> Ω plus the actual time using this format -0MM-0DD 0hh:0mm:0ss
>
> I have experimented to no end, and can't see the way forward.
>
> With this and the other question answered, my world domination should be 
> complete.
>
> Dave
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Mulit-Level / Drilldown-Menu for TW

[Jan]

Hi Riz,
I think I'll be going a slightly different way for ToC and breadcrumbs.
I just refreshed the drilldown.tiddlyspot.com but it is rather a 
description oft the concept so far.


Yours Jan


Am 18.12.2016 um 02:40 schrieb Riz:

Sure. Here is an outline of what I did.

The basic Idea is to have a container for the menu - like the left 
menu tiddler, a state tiddler - like the Cache in the example, and 
different levels of buttons. Each button should pass two parameters to 
the state tiddler, the next level to appear and which button was clicked.


The breadcrumbs is also based on the same mechanism. Although it might 
require more state tiddlers in place if you want it to show more than 
two levels at once.

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[tw] Re: Last Q I promise...new tiddler with special title

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

This bit about creating your own button is really good stuff! In keeping 
with the "capture and curate" philosophy, I've submitted it to jeremy and 
github.

Thanks!
Mark

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 3:49:33 PM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Dave, 
> --- Create your own custom button ---
>
>  - To get your own "custom" button, just clone the New Journal button 
> . 
>  - Create your own config tiddlers eg: $:/config/myNewTiddler/Tags and 
> $:/config/myNewTiddler/Title 
>
>  - Edit your custom button and "search and replace" the config tiddler 
> names. 
> - change the following lines, near the end  of the tiddler
>
> from
>
> <$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{$:/config/NewJournal/Title}}>
> <$set name="journalTags" value={{$:/config/NewJournal/Tags}}>
>
> to
>
> <$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{$:/config/myNewTiddler/Title}}>
> <$set name="journalTags" value={{$:/config/myNewTiddler/Tags}}>
>
> if you want to see your config tiddlers in the sidebar use:
>
> <$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{config/myNewTiddler/Title}}>
> <$set name="journalTags" value={{config/myNewTiddler/Tags}}>
>
>  - save  and test the button
>  
> This button will also appear in the right Sidebar: Tools menue. 
>
> hope that helps
> mario
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Mulit-Level / Drilldown-Menu for TW

[Riz]

Sure. Here is an outline of what I did.

The basic Idea is to have a container for the menu - like the left menu 
tiddler, a state tiddler - like the Cache in the example, and different 
levels of buttons. Each button should pass two parameters to the state 
tiddler, the next level to appear and which button was clicked. 

The breadcrumbs is also based on the same mechanism. Although it might 
require more state tiddlers in place if you want it to show more than two 
levels at once.

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Re: [tw] Re: Mulit-Level / Drilldown-Menu for TW

[Jan]

Hi Riz,
I will be very honored to continue this.
First I will replace my attempt on http://drilldown.tiddlyspot.com with 
your version.

I am beginning to understand and continue tinkering.
I think I will start working on the breadcrumbmechanism.
I will write if got somewhere.

Thanks again,
Yours Jan





Am 17.12.2016 um 07:35 schrieb Riz:


Glad you liked it.

My TW5 to do list is already too long. My already limited spare time 
for hobbies is split between reddit and others. You go ahead if you 
want to. If you would please post it to reddit and drop in there from 
time to time, that would be cool.




sincerely
Riz
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[tw] Re: Hiding the extra space between the tiddler title and the tiddler text.

[David Gifford]

I found the problem by inspecting the page elements.

I had tc-tiddler-frame margin-bottom at about 28px. Making it none solved 
the problem. Looks ugly while using tiddler titles, but great when toggling 
the tiddler titles. So I added 10px to tc-tiddler-title and it looks fine 
either way.

Dave

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 6:12:47 PM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
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> Hi Mario
>
> I already have subtitles and tags hidden, so that is not it.
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 5:57:18 PM UTC-6, PMario wrote:
>>
>> I'm not 100% sure, but I think you don't hide the tiddler subtitle, that 
>> contains the modified  date. 
>> -m
>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Photo Gallery plugin

[Jed Carty]

What version is the old wiki? I am hoping to spend a lot of time over the 
christmas break working on tiddlywiki so input here is good.

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[tw] Re: Last Q I promise...new tiddler with special title

[David Gifford]

Thanks Mario! That is exactly what I needed. I kind of had half of it, but 
you provided the missing link

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 5:49:33 PM UTC-6, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Dave, 
>
> You can basically mimic the "New Journal" button. 
>
> If you open the following link: Link ;) 
> you'll
>  
> get all the tiddlers involved. (in my description here)
>
> - select: Advanced Search: Shadowstab and search for newjournal
> - There are 2 config tiddlers: 
>   - $:/config/NewJournal/Tags 
>  
>   - $:/config/NewJournal/Title 
> 
>
> Those tiddlers can be defined in the ControlPanel: Info: Basic  at: Title 
> / Tags for new journal tiddlers.
>
>   - insert the text: Ω plus the actual time using this format 
> -0MM-0DD 0hh:0mm:0ss
>   - insert the tag: your tag 
>
> And click the "New Journal Button" .. you'll see, what happens.
>
> --- Create your own custom button ---
>
>  - To get your own "custom" button, just clone the New Journal button 
> . 
>  - Create your own config tiddlers eg: $:/config/myNewTiddler/Tags and 
> $:/config/myNewTiddler/Title 
>
>  - Edit your custom button and "search and replace" the config tiddler 
> names. 
> - change the following lines, near the end  of the tiddler
>
> from
>
> <$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{$:/config/NewJournal/Title}}>
> <$set name="journalTags" value={{$:/config/NewJournal/Tags}}>
>
> to
>
> <$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{$:/config/myNewTiddler/Title}}>
> <$set name="journalTags" value={{$:/config/myNewTiddler/Tags}}>
>
> if you want to see your config tiddlers in the sidebar use:
>
> <$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{config/myNewTiddler/Title}}>
> <$set name="journalTags" value={{config/myNewTiddler/Tags}}>
>
>  - save  and test the button
>  
> This button will also appear in the right Sidebar: Tools menue. 
>
> hope that helps
> mario
>

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[tw] Re: Hiding the extra space between the tiddler title and the tiddler text.

[David Gifford]

Hi Mario

I already have subtitles and tags hidden, so that is not it.

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> I'm not 100% sure, but I think you don't hide the tiddler subtitle, that 
> contains the modified  date. 
> -m
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[tw] Re: Hiding the extra space between the tiddler title and the tiddler text.

[PMario]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think you don't hide the tiddler subtitle, that 
contains the modified  date. 
-m

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[tw] Re: Last Q I promise...new tiddler with special title

[PMario]

Hi Dave, 

You can basically mimic the "New Journal" button. 

If you open the following link: Link ;) 
you'll
 
get all the tiddlers involved. (in my description here)

- select: Advanced Search: Shadowstab and search for newjournal
- There are 2 config tiddlers: 
  - $:/config/NewJournal/Tags 
 
  - $:/config/NewJournal/Title 


Those tiddlers can be defined in the ControlPanel: Info: Basic  at: Title / 
Tags for new journal tiddlers.

  - insert the text: Ω plus the actual time using this format -0MM-0DD 
0hh:0mm:0ss
  - insert the tag: your tag 

And click the "New Journal Button" .. you'll see, what happens.

--- Create your own custom button ---

 - To get your own "custom" button, just clone the New Journal button 
. 
 - Create your own config tiddlers eg: $:/config/myNewTiddler/Tags and 
$:/config/myNewTiddler/Title 

 - Edit your custom button and "search and replace" the config tiddler 
names. 
- change the following lines, near the end  of the tiddler

from

<$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{$:/config/NewJournal/Title}}>
<$set name="journalTags" value={{$:/config/NewJournal/Tags}}>

to

<$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{$:/config/myNewTiddler/Title}}>
<$set name="journalTags" value={{$:/config/myNewTiddler/Tags}}>

if you want to see your config tiddlers in the sidebar use:

<$set name="journalTitleTemplate" value={{config/myNewTiddler/Title}}>
<$set name="journalTags" value={{config/myNewTiddler/Tags}}>

 - save  and test the button
 
This button will also appear in the right Sidebar: Tools menue. 

hope that helps
mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Photo Gallery plugin

[LG]

Thanks for making this! When I went to import it into a new TW which I made 
a couple months ago, I got an error about it being older. I said OK 
anyways. Then I went through the steps. No images in the gallery ever 
showed up. 

I should probably create this in a new thread, but...heads up!


On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 8:35:59 AM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I made this a while ago as part of the pet diary edition and finally got 
> around to packaging it as its own plugin. I made a demo site with a guided 
> tour and documentation here 
> .
>
> I am in the middle of trying to update all of my plugins to be more 
> consistent and part of this is making the updating the demo sites. I am 
> planning on using the wizard wizard plugin 
>  to make what will 
> hopefully be useful explanations and introductions. Any input on what I 
> should add would be appreciated.
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[tw] Last Q I promise...new tiddler with special title

[David Gifford]

Hi all,

I would like a new tiddler button that creates a title that is a 
combination of text and the current date and time stamp.

Ω plus the actual time using this format -0MM-0DD 0hh:0mm:0ss

I have experimented to no end, and can't see the way forward.

With this and the other question answered, my world domination should be 
complete.

Dave

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[tw] Hiding the extra space between the tiddler title and the tiddler text.

[David Gifford]

Okay, one of only two more questions to ask for the day...

I have this in my top menu

<$fieldmangler tiddler="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title">
<$button message="tm-add-tag" class="tc-btn-invisible tc-tiddlylink" 
param="$:/tags/ViewTemplate">show <$button 
message="tm-remove-tag" class="tc-btn-invisible tc-tiddlylink" 
param="$:/tags/ViewTemplate">hide

The titles and toolbar disappear, but there is still some unwanted space 
still showing above the tiddler text. Probably some kind of extra space so 
that the title and text are spearated. How might I also remove that when 
clicking the mangler button? 

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[tw] Re: Strange "Internal JavaScript Error on Firefox"

[PMario]

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 12:50:37 AM UTC+1, Ed wrote:
>
> Diligently I disabled all plugins an add-ons and switched on one after 
> another.
> Bingo! And the culprit was: Tadaa.. Ghostery.
>

> So now I must find an alternative for Ghostery as I always have at least 
> one
> TiddlyWiki open in my browser. Being propriatery software maybe I should 
> have done that earlier.
>


Hi Ed,
As Jeremy pointed out, you should disable the google analytics stuff, if it 
is the default one, that Jeremy uses. It won't do anything useful from 
other domains than tiddlywiki.com ... except causing trouble!

If you use file:// TWs the analytics stuff also doesn't work. ... It's just 
bloat. 

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Re: [tw] Re: Filtered search for tags with open all option?

[David Gifford]

Actually, this worked better


<$link to={{!!title}}>
<$view field="title"/>
 <$button class="tc-btn-invisible2">→
<$list filter='[all[current]tagging[]sort[title]]'>
<$action-navigate $to=<> $scroll=no/>




With CSS: html body.tc-body .tc-btn-invisible2
{font-weight:normal;color:#777;border:none;}

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:38 AM, David Gifford  wrote:

> Quick reply! Just what I needed. Here is the final version
>
> 
> <$link to={{!!title}}>
> <$view field="title"/>
>  - <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">Open all
> <$list filter='[all[current]tagging[]]'>
> <$action-navigate $to=<> $scroll=no/>
> 
> 
> 
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Jed Carty  wrote:
>
>> You would probably want to use action-navigate inside a list widget.
>>
>> I am not sure about the rest of it, but to open all tiddlers with a tag
>> you could use this button:
>>
>> <$button>Open tiddlers tagged with SomeTag
>> <$list filter='[tag[SomeTag]]'>
>> <$action-navigate $to=<> $scroll=no/>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> If you remove the $scroll=no than it may try to scroll to the newly
>> opened tiddlers, which can be weird when opening a bunch of them.
>> hopefully you can adapt that to what you want to make.
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Re: [tw] Re: Filtered search for tags with open all option?

[David Gifford]

Quick reply! Just what I needed. Here is the final version


<$link to={{!!title}}>
<$view field="title"/>
 - <$button class="tc-btn-invisible">Open all
<$list filter='[all[current]tagging[]]'>
<$action-navigate $to=<> $scroll=no/>




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> You would probably want to use action-navigate inside a list widget.
>
> I am not sure about the rest of it, but to open all tiddlers with a tag
> you could use this button:
>
> <$button>Open tiddlers tagged with SomeTag
> <$list filter='[tag[SomeTag]]'>
> <$action-navigate $to=<> $scroll=no/>
> 
> 
>
> If you remove the $scroll=no than it may try to scroll to the newly opened
> tiddlers, which can be weird when opening a bunch of them.
> hopefully you can adapt that to what you want to make.
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[tw] Re: Filtered search for tags with open all option?

[Jed Carty]

You would probably want to use action-navigate inside a list widget.

I am not sure about the rest of it, but to open all tiddlers with a tag you 
could use this button:

<$button>Open tiddlers tagged with SomeTag
<$list filter='[tag[SomeTag]]'>
<$action-navigate $to=<> $scroll=no/>



If you remove the $scroll=no than it may try to scroll to the newly opened 
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[tw] Filtered search for tags with open all option?

[David Gifford]

Hi guys

I use Tobias' $:/.tb/macros/list-search to create a filtered list of tags, 
shown as links, with this

<>

But I would really like the option to open all the tags. Would there be a 
way to tweak the macro so that either the links themselves open all the 
tiddlers so tagged, or so that there is an (open all) button next to each 
tag in the list?

I was going to use a different template than $:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate to 
display the list results, and add a button to it, but on tiddlywiki.com I 
don't see a message for 'open tiddlers' for such a button. So I am not sure 
how to proceed. 

Dave 

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[tw] Re: Simple formatting question

[PMario]

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 1:10:38 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
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> Hi Mario,
>  
>
>> It's actually not possible, with the title, since it also contains the 
>> tiddler toolbar icons. :/
>>
>  
> If at all possible, this should eventually be changed and the toolbar be 
> extracted into its own ViewTemplate.
>

Yea,
I did change that for my own theme. So I just got aware, of my mistake 
after testing the proposal at tiddylwiki.com
 

> It's not goof that the title template is overloaded like that and poses 
> problems if you want to modify the view for a given environment, for 
> example.
>

IMO the problem is, that the title behaviour is hard to change now, since 
it should be backwards compatible. 

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 node.js; TiddlyWiki to replace OneNote

[Greg Hodgins]

Hi Pit.  In searching for mind mapping software this AM I discovered 
concept mapping is really what I was looking for - at least I think.  This 
led me to TiddlyMap and TiddlyWiki. I haven't been so stoked to get a new 
piece of technology working in a while.  Of course this has led to 
diversions with node.js and where I might host to allow access anywhere. 
 Whether I should create a Docker image to make the whole thing portable, 
and so on, distracting me from my original task at hand.  LOL.

Given you appear to successfully be using both and more with success (wiki 
and map) I'm wondering if you can offer guidance as to whether TM can be 
run successfully on node.js or not.  Any downside?  Part of the reason I am 
asking, is after struggling for the first while with the simplest of tasks, 
trying to install per the documentation by dragging and dropping, only to 
eventually realize that IE doesn't support it, eventually I dropped the 
first plugin onto my wiki page and it crashed.  The wiki won't load now 
either.  I see this has happened to others.  I am not sure if it is 
something than can occur with a single file wiki as well or not.

I'm not at all disturbed by losing my brand new empty wiki and will be 
careful with future installs I am about to attempt again.

My real question as stated is whether you are running node.js or not.

I'm excited to see a fairly active community here and hope to spend some 
more time this weekend getting this to work for me.

Thanks.

On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 1:19:00 PM UTC-4, Pit.W. wrote:
>
> I have replaced OneNote with Tiddlywiki by using TiddlyClip - COMPLETELY!
>
> ... MS Project with Timeline
> ... and Mindmap with Tiddlymap.org 
>
> ... added Tidgraph for organigrams and logic / decision  trees
>
> ... added datepicker for convenience (I find it helpful to set 
> format="-MM-DD" and fieldFormat="-MM-DD" and adjust the 
> journal-date-setting to -0MM-0DD)
>
> AND NEVER LOOKED BACK!
>
>
> Other plugins you might like (I have them in all my templates) are
>
> -encrypt tiddler plugin
>
> -checklistdemo
>
> -simple calendar macro   http://simplecalendar.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> wrap it all up in one file for use as a template; put it on a USB or 
> phone; got to work, collect data,
>
> later import into a TW running under node.js and process it.
>
>
>
>
> Am 2016-08-02 um 04:39 schrieb Jonathan Bean:
>
> I would also like to replace my onenote notebook for my project with a 
> tidlywiki. 
> I am also using tiddlymap. 
> I just started using tiddlywiki.
>
>
> On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 11:35:08 PM UTC-5, tim O wrote: 
>>
>> I currently use OneNote to organize content for documentation of 
>> projects, server configuration, etc. I need to be able to save images, 
>> PDFs, etc. with most of my documentation. One of my concerns is that this 
>> may slow down the general responsiveness of an TiddlyWiki instance.
>> Who else is using TW as a OneNote replacement? Any feedback for a 
>> newcomer?
>>
>> Thanks
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

[PMario]

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 5:20:51 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> Suggestion: After the rename mechanism did change tiddlers, there should 
> be an info, which tiddlers have been changed! So the user knows, what was 
> going on. 
>

Even better would be an UI, that offers a preview of the tiddlers, that 
will be changed, before the action happens. 

May be "batch processing" should always be part of the ControlPanel and not 
the edit-template. Because the edit-template UI should be made simpler and 
not more complicated.

just some thoughts.
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

[PMario]

Hi Jeremy, 

I think there are some weaknesses, that can be improved. 

1) The "rename tags checkbox" is shown, even if no tiddler is tagged with 
the "old" name.

to reproduce: 
 - create a "New Tiddler"
 - rename it

---

2) imo new feature in 5.1.14-prereleas

eg: 
  - tiddler a and b exist
  - renaming tiddler a to name: b shows: "Target tiddler already 
exists"  <- OK
  - it also shows the rename tags checkbox.  <- see: 1)  ... imo should be 
changed ... but may slow down the UI



3) no warning, that new tiddler name is already a tag
to reproduce: 

 - create tiddler a
 - create tiddler aa and tag it: a
 - create tiddler bb and tag it: b make sure that tiddler b does 
_not_ exist!
 - no rename tiddler: a to b

IMO there should be an info, that other tiddlers use that tag already!

-- reasoning -

IMO there should be an info, that "bb" ist tadded "b" already! ... If there 
is no such info, it may cause some tricky problems. 

to reproduce: 

 - aa is tagged a
 - bb is tagged b   ... tiddler b doesn't exist
 - rename a to b now aa is also tagged b

 - ... now you find out, that "b" is the wrong name. It should be "c" 

 - so you rename b to c ...-> *ouch*!!!   now bb is tagged c instead of b. 

.. and nobody told you!!!  that's confusing. right?

That's why I called it a tricky problem ;)



Suggestion: After the rename mechanism did change tiddlers, there should be 
an info, which tiddlers have been changed! So the user knows, what was 
going on. 


-mario


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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

[Jeremy Ruston]

Many thanks for the interesting discussion. Just a few points relating to 
recent posts:

* The Reddit experiment looks pretty promising, and I’d welcome other opinions 
as to its suitability to replace Google Groups for casual discussion (or indeed 
as a way of gathering links for the front page of tw.com )
* As Tobias points out, post-Google Groups, StackOverflow might be a natural 
place for developer Q that doesn’t fit GitHub

I should emphasise again that I’m aware that the slow update cycle for 
tiddlywiki.com  is a significant hold up to making 
improvements, and hope to pay attention to the problem in 2017,

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> On 17 Dec 2016, at 07:02, Tobias Beer  wrote:
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> Hi Josiah,
> 
> You brought up TWEderation as an example for let's say "more scattered" 
> information than you'd like that somehow doesn't organize nearly as good as 
> you wish and where you believe reddit could provide a better environment to 
> more efficiently bring the lose pieces together.
> 
> The first point I would make is that TWEderation is a community effort (one 
> which I have hardly been involved in due to a new job I've been working for 
> the better part of this year now, sry about that, Jed & Mat). However, much 
> more so than for the TiddlyWiki core, if you have something emerge out of a 
> community effort, of course you'll be looking at a highly organic project 
> with goals and ideas being addressed and discussed and tested that perhaps 
> feel a bit like moving goalposts and so you may find it difficult to get to 
> the bottom of it or whatever you try to do with it or find out.
> 
> However, I would not project this kind of project-/-plugin-motivated effort 
> onto the TiddlyWiki project as the underlying foundation, even though the 
> core may as well present a wide range of topics that beg addressing and leave 
> you on a quest to figuring out the right entry point to get things moving or 
> just be able to simply "use" something, you know, do as others did.
> 
> Although perhaps cumbersome, the process to contribute to improving the core 
> documentation is quite established, from my point of view... while sure 
> leaving room for improvement here and there.
> 
> Sure, bringing community documentation together and wrapping all that up in a 
> more unified searchable tagable folksonomy is an entirely different thing. 
> So, perhaps, with all the efforts on (that) reddit, perhaps the best focus 
> for it would be to establishing a kind of "knowledge-base" that does not 
> itself hold the information you're looking for, but only abstracts for it, 
> but mostly providing an environment for gathering pointers... to all the bits 
> of information out there that may help you answer a question or achieve a 
> goal... while leaving lengthy, at times philosophical ponderings as well as 
> "please help me" requests in the groups and efforts for a solid core 
> documentation to the more github oriented workflow.
> 
> So, from a practical point of view, maybe we should discuss separation of 
> concerns rather than try to figure out the best environment for everything.
> 
> Google Groups: whatever you want to discuss (in context)
> TiddlyWiki on GitHub: if you wish to improve the core (docs)
> Reddit: if you wish to tie otherwise lose ends together in terms of bits of 
> information pointing elsewhere
> 
> maybe even a dedicated...
> 
> StackOverflow: for figuring things out regarding the core, plugins, themes 
> from a developer / designer point of view
> 
> ...something along these lines.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Tobias.
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Re: [tw] tiddlywiki.com display version

[Thomas Elmiger]

As I do not use the Tools tab very often, I didn’t realise that either :–/
I still have to learn a lot … but yes, I think it is sufficient, even if it 
means more clicks on the desktop than hovering over an icon. On the plus side: 
it is visible on the mobile. 

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Re: [tw] tiddlywiki.com display version

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Thomas

> Could you add the version number to the title attribute of the control panel 
> icon? This way we would be able to check it very fast on every TW (as we can 
> now opening the control panel). 

The version number is also shown at the top of the Tools tab in the sidebar, do 
you think that might be sufficient?

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw] tiddlywiki.com display version

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Jeremy

The image overlay would be great for tiddlywiki.com. I didn’t even realize the 
image changes for every new version. 

Could you add the version number to the title attribute of the control panel 
icon? This way we would be able to check it very fast on every TW (as we can 
now opening the control panel). 

Cheers, Thomas 

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

[Mat]

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 9:00:25 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Minor: The checkbox should probably reset to unchecked state after the 
> action has been performed. 
>
> Interesting, what are the situations where one would want it switched off? 
>

Hm, wait, I mean, it becomes default-checked for all other tiddlers too. 
The resulting name changes are of course tiddler specific but the checkbox 
state is unexpectedly global, which is why I propose that it returns to a 
default state. No biggie though.

<:-)

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Re: [tw] tiddlywiki.com display version

[Mat]

I sometimes do this, as the title of the TW

TiddlyWiki @@color:silver; ^^,,<>,,^^@@

<:-)

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Re: [tw] tiddlywiki.com display version

[Thomas Schulte]

The visual display of the number on the thumbnail will work just fine.
Thanks
Tom

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 2:35 AM, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> 
> Hi Thomas
> 
> I tried adding the version number to the site subtitle but I don’t think it 
> works too well; it makes the sidebar more crowded, and it’s hard to pick the 
> version number out (see below).
> 
> Another possibility concerns the thumbnail in the middle of the second row; 
> it is highlighting the latest version with a graphic that I change to reflect 
> the new features of each new version. So, seeing that image change is already 
> a direct visual cue that you’re looking at a new version, but perhaps the 
> version number itself could be more prominent. I’ll experiment with 
> overlaying the version number on the thumbnail image (see second screenshot 
> below).
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2016, at 04:26, Thomas Schulte  wrote:
>> 
>> It would be nice if the version number showed up, maybe in the subtitle. 
>> This would making checking for updates faster.
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Re: [tw] Reveal content based on field content

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thanks Thomas, Danielo,

I’ve made some further tweaks here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/a2fe101848c4e4a02c3a6ac1d0e83b411cc4492e
 


Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 17 Dec 2016, at 10:14, Danielo Rodríguez  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> El viernes, 16 de diciembre de 2016, 18:37:22 (UTC+1), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
> Hi Mark
> 
> Thanks. I took your text as a starting point and ended up with the following:
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/4a45e9d2dcc6a19d47a2851e690accb9635e68e2
>  
> 
> 
> Any suggestions for further improvements gratefully received.
> 
> Hello, for mi this fragment may be misleading 
> 
> +A TextReference is a general purpose way to identify a fragment of text from 
> a tiddler.
> 
>  Looks like you could identify a subsection of the text or something like 
> that.
> Apart from that, the rest is a great improvement.
> In my opinion it is just a matter of including more examples using text 
> references on the widgets that accepts them. When I see a widget that accepts 
> a text reference I'm always unsure about how use it, and  also it's usually 
> the only part that is not included as an example
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Re: [tw] Reveal content based on field content

[Danielo Rodríguez]

El viernes, 16 de diciembre de 2016, 18:37:22 (UTC+1), Jeremy Ruston 
escribió:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> Thanks. I took your text as a starting point and ended up with the 
> following:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/4a45e9d2dcc6a19d47a2851e690accb9635e68e2
>
> Any suggestions for further improvements gratefully received.
>

Hello, for mi this fragment may be misleading 

+A TextReference is a general purpose way to identify a fragment of text 
from a tiddler.

 Looks like you could identify a subsection of the text or something like 
that.
Apart from that, the rest is a great improvement.
In my opinion it is just a matter of including more examples using text 
references on the widgets that accepts them. When I see a widget that 
accepts a text reference I'm always unsure about how use it, and  also it's 
usually the only part that is not included as an example

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[tw] Re: Mulit-Level / Drilldown-Menu for TW

[Jed Carty]

Tobias,

As with almost anything I make the documentation is the problem. The table 
of contents in the menu on the right opens a tiddler when you click on the 
title and navigate through the menu when you click on the arrows next to 
the titles. I am not sure what to do with it which is one reason I haven't 
done anything with it. The middle menu on the left shows tiddler subtitles 
and contents in the menu so it would be a way to navigate through a wiki 
using just the menu, but I don't have any specific use case for it. I made 
it in response to a request and I don't know if the person who asked for it 
ever actually used the menus.

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[tw] Re: [TW5 server] Maximum call stack size exceeded

[Michael Herrmann]

Hi Jeremy,

you are right. I created tiddlers without the text. After correcting my 
mistake, it works like a charm.

Thanks





Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2016 09:31:46 UTC+1 schrieb Michael Herrmann:
>
> BTW: Starting the server does not immediately show the problem. Only when 
> accessing with the browser...
>
> Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2016 09:09:57 UTC+1 schrieb Michael Herrmann:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> before starting a new project with TW5, I started with an experiment:
>>
>> I wanted to use TW5 as nodejs server ( tiddlywiki mywiki --server ). To 
>> check how many tiddlers I can use, I created 1 tiddlers named 0.tid ... 
>> .tid with a script.
>>
>> It turned out that this approach is limited:
>>
>> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3873
>> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3872
>> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3871 
>>
>> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3875
>>
>> $:/core/modules/utils/logger.js:29
>> return Function.apply.call(console.log, console, 
>> [this.componentName + ":"].concat(Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments,0)));
>>   
>>^
>> RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
>> at Logger.log ($:/core/modules/utils/logger.js:29:108)
>> at Syncer.dispatchTask ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:495:15)
>> at Syncer.processTaskQueue ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:417:9)
>> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:425:27
>> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:505:4
>> at FileSystemAdaptor.loadTiddler 
>> ($:/plugins/tiddlywiki/filesystem/filesystemadaptor.js:201:2)
>> at Syncer.dispatchTask ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:496:20)
>> at Syncer.processTaskQueue ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:417:9)
>> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:425:27
>> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:505:4
>>
>>
>> Note that these many tiddlers can be loaded with TiddlyDesktop. 
>>
>> (I am using nodejs6.)
>>
>> Any idea?
>>
>> regards
>>  Michael
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Jeremy,
 

> But I’m not sure that shipping tiddlers to the client for operations is 
> really the way to go (except as a temporary hack/workaround), there’s 
> plenty of operations that we would want to perform on the server (eg batch 
> image resizing), and we really need a robust mechanism for invoking 
> server-based actions from the client.
>

I agree, there are perhaps a few mainly server driven processes, i.e. 
performed against and at the server only.

In the context of renaming, I could easily imagine the renaming to very 
much happen in the client. The cycle would go something like this:

   1. title is changed while the checkbox to update references is ticked
   2. a given timout is waited
   3. the synced store is queried via filters
   4. affected tiddlers are listed and asyncronously loaded in full
   5. while that's going on, a spinner indicates that we're still loading 
   stuff and the save button is disabled
   6. once loaded, the operation shows affected titles and the save action 
   is activated again
   7. now the full renaming operation can be peformed

Best wishes,

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Prerelease of v5.1.14

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

> While the QR code is neat, could it's icon be move to the left of the closing 
> icon? All my instincts are to always look  for the closing icon in the upper 
> right hand corner.  Having the QR code, an occasional activity, take over the 
> position of the closing action, an always-needed activity, breaks up the work 
> flow.

Just to be clear, the QR code plugin is included in the prerelease to make it 
easier for people to try it out, but it won’t be included when 5.1.14 is 
released.

I’ll change the button ordering,

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Thanks for listening,
> Mark
> 
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 6:01:16 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> There’s been a rash of updates to v5.1.14 in the last 10 days, making it a 
> good time to have a look at the prerelease at 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
> 
> I’d like to highlight the new QR code generator plugin (installed in the 
> prerelease so that you can try it out easily). I had little idea about QR 
> codes before the recent correspondence here on the mailing list, but am now a 
> convert. If you don’t have a QR code reader on your smartphone I’d highly 
> recommend installing one to play with the prerelease.
> 
> Basically, QR codes can be used to transfer any block of text that isn’t too 
> long/complicated to fit. There are conventions for passing URLs, contact 
> information, wifi details etc., but there is complete freedom; one can make a 
> QR code of JSON if you want (actually a bad idea as the special characters 
> appear to compress badly).
> 
> The QR code plugin adds a generic macro for generating a QR code from a 
> string, and also adds a couple of pre-built ways to use it:
> 
> * A new view toolbar button that displays the current tiddler as a QR code. 
> You can choose from the URL of the tiddler, the raw text, or the rendered text
> * Example forms for generating QR codes for contacts, wifi and generic codes
> 
> Once I’d found the library, getting the plugin up and running was 
> surprisingly easy — I had the first operational version within 30 minutes of 
> starting work. A good illustration of the excellent returns on the effort 
> involved in integrating existing JavaScript components.
> 
> There’s a full list of changes in the release note, but I’d highlight the 
> following bigger changes:
> 
> * Extended search mechanism to require the search string to be a minimum 
> length
> * New Hebrew translation, and preliminary support for RTL languages
> * Improved access to plugin information:
> ** New “Plugins” tab in the “More” sidebar tab, listing all installed plugins
> ** Better display of plugin tiddlers themselves, duplicating the gadget used 
> in control panel
> * Fixed height of preview pane to use a scrollbar when fixed height layout is 
> selected
> * Improved modals and notifications so that global macros are available
> * Extended the SetWidget to allow a single result to be selected from a 
> filtered result list
> * Added new $:/info/url/* information tiddlers providing document location 
> information
> * Added several new filter operators for string encoding/decoding strings 
> according to HTML encoding, URI encoding, regexp escaping and JavaScript 
> string encoding
> * Improved support for bulk loading tiddler files via tiddlywiki.files Files 
> within TiddlyWikiFolders
> 
> I’d like to get v5.1.14 released in the next couple of weeks, so any 
> feedback/thoughts/questions are much appreciated at this point.
> 
> As ever, thanks to everyone listed in the release note for their 
> contributions to this release.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
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[tw] Re: [TW5 server] Maximum call stack size exceeded

[Michael Herrmann]

BTW: Starting the server does not immediately show the problem. Only when 
accessing with the browser...

Am Samstag, 17. Dezember 2016 09:09:57 UTC+1 schrieb Michael Herrmann:
>
> Hello,
>
> before starting a new project with TW5, I started with an experiment:
>
> I wanted to use TW5 as nodejs server ( tiddlywiki mywiki --server ). To 
> check how many tiddlers I can use, I created 1 tiddlers named 0.tid ... 
> .tid with a script.
>
> It turned out that this approach is limited:
>
> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3873
> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3872
> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3871 
>
> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3875
>
> $:/core/modules/utils/logger.js:29
> return Function.apply.call(console.log, console, 
> [this.componentName + ":"].concat(Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments,0)));
>   
>^
> RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
> at Logger.log ($:/core/modules/utils/logger.js:29:108)
> at Syncer.dispatchTask ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:495:15)
> at Syncer.processTaskQueue ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:417:9)
> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:425:27
> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:505:4
> at FileSystemAdaptor.loadTiddler 
> ($:/plugins/tiddlywiki/filesystem/filesystemadaptor.js:201:2)
> at Syncer.dispatchTask ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:496:20)
> at Syncer.processTaskQueue ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:417:9)
> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:425:27
> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:505:4
>
>
> Note that these many tiddlers can be loaded with TiddlyDesktop. 
>
> (I am using nodejs6.)
>
> Any idea?
>
> regards
>  Michael
>

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Re: [tw] [TW5 server] Maximum call stack size exceeded

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Michael

Do your ‘.tid’ files include content in their “text” fields? It looks like the 
specific problem here is that the client is triggering 10,000 attempts to load 
the full text of skinny tiddlers (ie tiddlers where the server did not ship the 
“text” field to the client, and we asynchronously load the text when required). 
If that’s the case, it may be worth trying again while including some content 
for the “text” field.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 17 Dec 2016, at 08:09, Michael Herrmann  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> before starting a new project with TW5, I started with an experiment:
> 
> I wanted to use TW5 as nodejs server ( tiddlywiki mywiki --server ). To check 
> how many tiddlers I can use, I created 1 tiddlers named 0.tid ... 
> .tid with a script.
> 
> It turned out that this approach is limited:
> 
> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3873
> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3872
> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3871 
> syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3875
> 
> $:/core/modules/utils/logger.js:29
> return Function.apply.call(console.log, console, 
> [this.componentName + ":"].concat(Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments,0)));
>   
>^
> RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
> at Logger.log ($:/core/modules/utils/logger.js:29:108)
> at Syncer.dispatchTask ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:495:15)
> at Syncer.processTaskQueue ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:417:9)
> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:425:27
> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:505:4
> at FileSystemAdaptor.loadTiddler 
> ($:/plugins/tiddlywiki/filesystem/filesystemadaptor.js:201:2)
> at Syncer.dispatchTask ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:496:20)
> at Syncer.processTaskQueue ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:417:9)
> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:425:27
> at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:505:4
> 
> Note that these many tiddlers can be loaded with TiddlyDesktop. 
> 
> (I am using nodejs6.)
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> regards
>  Michael
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[tw] [TW5 server] Maximum call stack size exceeded

[Michael Herrmann]

Hello,

before starting a new project with TW5, I started with an experiment:

I wanted to use TW5 as nodejs server ( tiddlywiki mywiki --server ). To 
check how many tiddlers I can use, I created 1 tiddlers named 0.tid ... 
.tid with a script.

It turned out that this approach is limited:

syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3873
syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3872
syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3871 

syncer-server: Dispatching 'load' task: 3875

$:/core/modules/utils/logger.js:29
return Function.apply.call(console.log, console, 
[this.componentName + ":"].concat(Array.prototype.slice.call(arguments,0)));

 ^
RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
at Logger.log ($:/core/modules/utils/logger.js:29:108)
at Syncer.dispatchTask ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:495:15)
at Syncer.processTaskQueue ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:417:9)
at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:425:27
at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:505:4
at FileSystemAdaptor.loadTiddler 
($:/plugins/tiddlywiki/filesystem/filesystemadaptor.js:201:2)
at Syncer.dispatchTask ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:496:20)
at Syncer.processTaskQueue ($:/core/modules/syncer.js:417:9)
at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:425:27
at $:/core/modules/syncer.js:505:4


Note that these many tiddlers can be loaded with TiddlyDesktop. 

(I am using nodejs6.)

Any idea?

regards
 Michael

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Tobias

> Do we have some sort of TQL (Tiddler Query Language) / process that would 
> provide the "plumbing" to,

I think the existing filter language could fairly be described as a TQL

> say, run a filter against the syned-store and return a list of titles to the 
> "frontend" which may then decide to load these tiddlers into the wiki to do 
> the desired processing such as renaming.

No, that doesn’t exist.

The difficulty is that retrieving the non-skinny versions of the tiddlers is an 
asynchronous operation, while the rename operation is synchronous in the UI.

But I’m not sure that shipping tiddlers to the client for operations is really 
the way to go (except as a temporary hack/workaround), there’s plenty of 
operations that we would want to perform on the server (eg batch image 
resizing), and we really need a robust mechanism for invoking server-based 
actions from the client.

Best wishes

Jeremy



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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mat

> This is a very much longed for feature! Thank you Jeremy!!
> 
> Minor: The checkbox should probably reset to unchecked state after the action 
> has been performed. 

Interesting, what are the situations where one would want it switched off? I’ve 
found the persistence helpful, and that in practice, as long as one is aware of 
what’s going on, there’s no reason not to have it checked all the time. (It’s 
unchecked by default for backwards compatibility, but that’s arguable as well).

Best wishes

Jeremy


> 
> <:-)
> 
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 10:36:07 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> I’ve had some time to work on TiddlyWiki in the last few days, but as 
> sometimes happens, it was while travelling, and without access to wifi. 
> Prompted by some recent user feedback, I decided to focus on improvements to 
> the mechanism for renaming tiddlers: renaming an existing tiddler shows a 
> checkbox in the edit template prompting “Update foofoo to barbar in the tags 
> and list fields of other tiddlers”.
> 
> If the checkbox is checked when confirming the tiddler, then any references 
> to the old tiddler title in tags or list fields of other tiddlers are 
> relinked to point to the new title. (See screenshot below).
> 
> Note that at this point there is no attempt to perform search and replace 
> within the “text” field, because of the potential for unintended results, but 
> this is something that would be worth exploring for the future. Even as 
> things stand, it makes renaming entries in a table of contents much easier.
> 
> You can try out the new feature by renaming an existing tiddler at:
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
> 
> Please let me know if you run into any problems or edge cases,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
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