Re: [tw] Re: Introduction to Tiddlyserver

[Arlen Beiler]

Ah, nice! Just noticed this tonight. Yes, double-clicking start.cmd will
simply run the command "node server", which will start TiddlyServer. And
now that I notice that you wrote this email on Sep 25, I guess we're still
working on the mac part. But if there is a simple mac equivalent to
start.bat, I'd be happy to include it.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:49 AM, RichardWilliamSmith <
richardwilliamsm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks again, all, for your feedback so far. I updated the tutorial:
> https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>
> Any further suggestions gratefully received.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
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[tw] Re: Introduction to Tiddlyserver

[JWHoneycutt]

"dropbox": "/Users/jwh/Dropbox/TW5"

I just answered my own question - here is the syntax that works for my 
situation

Thanks

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[tw] Re: Introduction to Tiddlyserver

[JWHoneycutt]

Richard, 

The introduction to Terminal is great - cleared a lot of things up for me - 
Thanks

https://www.didaxy.com/a-crash-course-in-the-mac-terminal

I have a new MacBook, and wanted to reinstall TiddlyServer.  It is very 
frustrating.  You helped me out last time and I got it working, so I 
thought it would be easier to get the settings.json file correct.  The 
syntax of the Dropbox reference continues to elude me.  I've tried it with 
and without: the following "/", the leading "/Users/jwh, or /jwh...


{
"tree": {
"dropbox": "/Dropbox"
},
"types":{
"htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
},
"username": "",
"password": "",
"host": "0.0.0.0",
"port": 8080,
"backupDirectory": "backup"
}


In the server, it yields:

Parent directory: / 
NameTypeSize
dropbox  error 

Fix Put Saver Bookmarklet

TiddlyServer v2.0.6



And clicking the dropbox link does not work like it did before.  I know the 
fix must be easy, but I haven't found it.

Can you help me one last time?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Expense tracking plugin

[TonyM]

Jed,

It looks good. Could be just what I need to track expenses within a project 
tiddler. I was comparing it to my SharePoint Transaction register and 
thought it would be easy to generalize a little more to allow receipts as 
well. Expenses could be Negative, and Receipts positive (or debit and 
credit fields). This could represent payments, refunds etc...


   - I forgot to name one of the expenses and Do not know how to fix that
   - Rather than person perhaps it should be "To" so its a payment to 
   business as well, I would use the Payment method as from account
   

Here some extra things I use


   - I have a toggle to indicate the transaction is finalized, eg Goods 
   Received, Re-billed to client,
   - A note about receipts eg electronic or paper, 
   - Having From and To / Debit and Credit I can record transfers between 
   accounts  
   
Great work
Tony

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 8:01:24 AM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It is still in pretty early stages, but I made an expense tracker plugin 
> to complement the invoice creator I made. Right now it lets you enter 
> expenses and filter and sort them by things like expense category, project 
> and date range. Then you can save a static report based on the expenses. 
> Currently the only template for saving a report is very simple but I am 
> hoping to expand it in the future.
>
> It doesn't have as much documentation as it should but you should be able 
> to figure out what is going on after looking at what is in the different 
> tabs on the demo site.
>
> The demo site is here: http://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/ExpenseReports/
>
> And the git repo is here: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-ExpenseReports
>
> let me know if you have any suggestions. 
>
> It is not yet in the OokTech plugin library because I am in the middle of 
> rewriting all of my build and helper scripts in javascript and I haven't 
> gotten to the one that handles the plugin libraries yet.
>

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[tw] Re: An Aside: Learning Curves

[TonyM]

I am comfortable with "Learning Curve" and See no confusion.

To me its about the Journey, to Get some where, such as mastery of 
TiddlyWiki or a new Job.

The Area under the learning curve represents the amount of information you 
need to learn and the slope is determined how quickly you have to learn it. 
If you are climbing a steep learning curve it is a lot of work, If there 
was less to learn over a longer period it would be a walk in the park not a 
climb. 

So the two factors are the area under the curve (amount of Information) and 
the time available.

Sometimes the time available is impacted by the need of Emerson in the 
subject, meaning you can not extend the time to complete too far out or you 
will always be having to revise. Some projects like tiddlywiki demand a 
minimum learning curve "slope" that is quite steep.

If you don't give up in exhaustion, or by falling/rolling back down the 
slope you are progressing. Yes the steeper the slope the more knowledge you 
are gaining in a given period of time.

Climbing steep slopes archives a lot, has its pleasures like mountain 
climbing, is hard work and sometimes dangerous (could be wasted effort).

A Few steps (*appropriate* learning materials) would make it a lot easier.

Just my View of this metaphor.

Tony


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[tw] Re: Tidgraph question

[TonyM]

For those who pass here later; here is a directory I have created using 
Tidgraph, just to give you an idea.

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[tw] Re: Just Dreaming - click to edit at Cursor

[TonyM]

To All,

Thanks for the feedback. A Quick summary of where I see this now.

Note taking may be better served by other solutions including Marks 
Lincelerator, Preview mode with save and no exit.

On click to edit at cursor which aside from note-taking, text input would 
be most helpful when reviewing long and complex tiddlers, for example a 
large stylesheet, javascript etc...

I do not know how to do this beyond my example of ShowCode (in this thread) 
, but it seems to me a custom view of tiddler content like ShowCode 
Presents in this thread 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/sohTQhPaQjI/Cm0uZU-kCAAJ 
designed specifically to click to edit at cursor would be achievable.

Under this model there is no rendering happening, the cursor position would 
give the nth character in the text field, which could be navigated to on 
edit.

Sure not reaching the imagined heights of click to edit at cursor on 
rendered tiddlers it could still be a boon to developers and enthusiasts 
alike editing large tiddlers and/or code. 

Open tiddler, toggle view, review if this has the thing you need to change, 
locate it, click on it, editor opens and the cursor is sitting where you 
clicked. (No second search within edit mode)

We could call this "View Source", and Edit Source (at a click)

I may do this myself in time but if someone knows some rudimentary html 
editor design methods please help.

Tony



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[tw] Re: Just Dreaming - click to edit at Cursor

[TonyM]

Mark,

That looks like a great alternative especially for live note taking. Let me 
know if I can help you achieve this. It will not help in some cases where 
click to edit will but it may actually be a better answer for Notes.

Regards
Tony

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[tw] Re: [TW5] NodeJS beyond simply serving tiddlywikis

[TonyM]

Jed,

Thanks Jed (PS I have a Nephew Jed) so much for that comprehensive answer, 
you have thrown a lot of light on this, By confirming some of my 
speculation you help me proceed knowing something is achievable, not me 
just dreaming again. It is great to get an overview from someone who has 
done it, and gets what I am looking for.

My Long term goal is to provide a resource for the tiddlywiki enthusiast 
and developer to build an environment that helps manage a number of 
tiddlywiki instances and shared tiddlers and Plugins. But for myself to 
start with. 

*On "5" Using this method could I have a tiddler store of Tiddlers that 
acted like a message queue that other wikis could use and respond to?*

It looks like this is already workable except requiring the reload, I would 
love to hear some of your ideas on inter-wiki communication. It seems to me 
folders with JSON or TID files (Bundles included) with fixed names may be 
enough with the development of some in wiki ways to load them, then use 
tags or fields to identify tiddlers destined for the reading wiki and 
ignore the rest. I already have a skeleton of a process that includes 
identifying the source wiki (less clear to me in a NodeJS implementation 
you have outlined).

I will collate your notes (others in this thread) and my own to build a 
resource that remains at the "usage and configuration level", and perhaps 
separately for the advanced development process.

Ultimately I plan to publish this at http://tiddlywiki.psat.com.au 

Thanks once again
Tony


On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 1:11:46 AM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I am going to try and write this up somewhere nicer with instructions that 
> hopefully won't require much knowledge.
>
> For those of you who are comfortable with node here is my setup:
>
> I am using the node version of tiddlywiki and I have it installed 
> globally, and I have TiddlyServer cloned from the GitHub repo.
>
> For plugins I have a folder that holds all my plugins, in my case this is 
> /home/inmysocks/TiddlyWiki/Plugins, this is set up the same as the normal 
> plugin folders are, so each plugin.info is in a sub-folder like 
> 'OokTech/BookMarks' and the tiddlers are organised normally from there.
>
> I have another folder that holds all my wikis, 
> /home/inmysocks/TiddlyWiki/Wikis, then each wiki gets a sub folder there 
> that holds the tiddlywiki.info file and has the tiddlers subfolder like 
> normal.
>
> Making everything play together nicely comes from the setup files, 
> settings.json for TiddlyServer and the various tiddlywiki.info files for 
> each wiki. I am hoping to make a utility that will help automate their 
> creation but for now it is all manual.
>
> For TiddlyServer I have the tree organised to point to all of the wiki 
> folders like normal, there isn't anything special that I do in 
> settings.json. To start TiddlyServer I have a bash script (I am not sure 
> what you would use in windows, it has been a long time since I used 
> windows, do .bat files still exist?). Here is the bash script I use:
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> export TIDDLYWIKI_PLUGIN_PATH="/home/inmysocks/TiddlyWiki/Plugins"
> cd ~/TiddlyServer
> node server.js
> pause
>
> Then in each tiddlywiki.info file for plugins I can just list the plugins 
> like normal, like "/OokTech/Bookmarks" for my bookmarks plugin located 
> at "/home/inmysocks/TiddlyWiki/Plugins/OokTech/Bookmarks", and this works 
> for any of the wikis served by TiddlyServer regardless of where they are on 
> my computer.
>
> Sharing tiddlers between different wikis takes a bit more setup.
>
> To make tiddlers from one wiki available in another wiki you edit the 
> tiddlywiki.info file for the wiki you want the tiddlers in. Add an 
> includeWikis section to the tiddlywiki.info file like the plugin section. 
> Here is an example:
>
> "includeWikis":[{
> "path": "/home/inmysocks/TiddlyWiki/Wikis/WikiName",
> "read-only": "true"
> }]
>
> I haven't found a way to selectively include tiddlers in another wiki, so 
> I found it best to have a bunch of small single purpose wikis that pull in 
> tiddlers from others instead of having a few big ones. TiddlyServer makes 
> that easy.
>
> One way to have wikis that are just specific bits of content is to create 
> the tiddlers in one wiki and save them to another one using 
> $:/config/FileSystemPaths, this is made simpler by having the different 
> wikis grouped together like I do. Then in the $:/config/FileSystemPaths 
> tiddler in one wiki you can put a filter like 
>
> [tag[Other Wiki]addprefix[../../Other Wiki/tiddlers/]]
>
> which will have any tiddlers tagged with 'Other Wiki' and save them in the 
> tiddlers folder for another wiki.
>
> One example of how this can be useful is having a wiki that is used for 
> entering and saving bookmarks and then each bookmark tiddler can be saved 
> to another wiki folder which can then be included as read-only in multiple 
> other wikis. This can be used to have something like 

[tw] Re: Just Dreaming - click to edit at Cursor

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Here's my general concept. An editor environment where you take your notes 
in chunks so that your cursor is position is more or less unnecessary. You 
make new notes without having to create a tiddler title in a separate box. 
You just keep moving forward. You can go back later to make links, change 
titles, etc. Basically the idea is to make it easy to do things "the TW5 
way". 

Mark

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[tw] Re: TiddlyServer backup and file ownership

[Glenn D]

Yes, i have crontab set up, although now that you mention it, I'm not sure 
if it runs under root or pi. I'll check that.

On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 11:05:21 PM UTC-5, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> I'll look into this - I suspected there were some issues around ownership. 
> Did you follow the instructions I wrote? ie; do you have 'crontab' or 
> similar set up to restart the server on reboot? I'm wondering whether it 
> reboots into a different account... have you tried giving the backup folder 
> different permissions? Personally I'm ok with 'chmod 777'ing things when 
> they're on the Pi (I keep my secret plans for world domination elsewhere). 
> If that works, it might be simpler to install it as root in the first 
> place, for less overall faffing.
>
> I'd be grateful if you could let us know what you figure out.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 10:00:37 AM UTC+11, Glenn D wrote:
>>
>> I have this set up and running on my Raspberry Pi, but the backup feature 
>> doesn't seem to work. I set backups to '/home/pi/backup' and have a 
>> directory set up there, owned by pi:pi
>>
>> I edited and saved a few tiddlers, but nothing shows up in the backup 
>> folder.
>>
>> I also rebooted the Pi, just to make sure the TiddlyServer was restarted.
>>
>> After some further checking around, I notice that most of the system 
>> tiddlers and several that I created myself are owned by pi:pi - but a lot 
>> of other tiddlers that I created are owned by root:root
>>
>> Why would that be?
>>
>

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[tw] [TW5] Expense tracking plugin

[Jed Carty]

It is still in pretty early stages, but I made an expense tracker plugin to 
complement the invoice creator I made. Right now it lets you enter expenses 
and filter and sort them by things like expense category, project and date 
range. Then you can save a static report based on the expenses. Currently 
the only template for saving a report is very simple but I am hoping to 
expand it in the future.

It doesn't have as much documentation as it should but you should be able 
to figure out what is going on after looking at what is in the different 
tabs on the demo site.

The demo site is here: http://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/ExpenseReports/

And the git repo is here: https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-ExpenseReports

let me know if you have any suggestions. 

It is not yet in the OokTech plugin library because I am in the middle of 
rewriting all of my build and helper scripts in javascript and I haven't 
gotten to the one that handles the plugin libraries yet.

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[tw] Re: An Aside: Learning Curves

[@TiddlyTweeter]

B, T & M.

I find it a really interesting trope. Your replies illustrate there is a 
visceral resonance in the phrase that gives it traction. Its used a lot. 
Yet as a stat "curve" it doesn't really make sense. It kinda got free of 
the math though--sort of transferred the upward curve into a kind of 
hill--even though that means on the curve "fast success" not "upward slog".

J.

Birthe wrote:
Rewards each step of the learning curve make TW users constantly hungry.

Thomas wrote:

> “Learning stairs” would be a great term! Rewards and new heights after 
> each step. 
>

Mark S. wrote:
>
> Imagine climbing a pile of books. The bigger the pile, the steeper the 
> hike to get on top.
>
 

> @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> I never understood "steep learning curves".
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Tidgraph question

[Ste Wilson]

Glad you have found it
I like it :) 

Might see if I can drop a linen to the author... 

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[tw] Re: An Aside: Learning Curves

[Thomas Elmiger]

“Learning stairs” would be a great term! Rewards and new heights after each 
step. 

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[tw] An Aside: Learning Curves

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I never understood "steep learning curves". 

Ron: "Shirley that means you learn quickly."

Shirley: "Shallow learning curve seems weak."

Herbert: "It depends on your X Y axis."

Ron: "Well Time (X) & Learning (Y) can't be anything but good as it goes 
higher."

Fred: "Its just a confusing cliche that got out of hand."

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[tw] Re: [TW5] NodeJS beyond simply serving tiddlywikis

[Jed Carty]

I am going to try and write this up somewhere nicer with instructions that 
hopefully won't require much knowledge.

For those of you who are comfortable with node here is my setup:

I am using the node version of tiddlywiki and I have it installed globally, 
and I have TiddlyServer cloned from the GitHub repo.

For plugins I have a folder that holds all my plugins, in my case this is 
/home/inmysocks/TiddlyWiki/Plugins, this is set up the same as the normal 
plugin folders are, so each plugin.info is in a sub-folder like 
'OokTech/BookMarks' and the tiddlers are organised normally from there.

I have another folder that holds all my wikis, 
/home/inmysocks/TiddlyWiki/Wikis, then each wiki gets a sub folder there 
that holds the tiddlywiki.info file and has the tiddlers subfolder like 
normal.

Making everything play together nicely comes from the setup files, 
settings.json for TiddlyServer and the various tiddlywiki.info files for 
each wiki. I am hoping to make a utility that will help automate their 
creation but for now it is all manual.

For TiddlyServer I have the tree organised to point to all of the wiki 
folders like normal, there isn't anything special that I do in 
settings.json. To start TiddlyServer I have a bash script (I am not sure 
what you would use in windows, it has been a long time since I used 
windows, do .bat files still exist?). Here is the bash script I use:

#!/bin/bash

export TIDDLYWIKI_PLUGIN_PATH="/home/inmysocks/TiddlyWiki/Plugins"
cd ~/TiddlyServer
node server.js
pause

Then in each tiddlywiki.info file for plugins I can just list the plugins 
like normal, like "/OokTech/Bookmarks" for my bookmarks plugin located 
at "/home/inmysocks/TiddlyWiki/Plugins/OokTech/Bookmarks", and this works 
for any of the wikis served by TiddlyServer regardless of where they are on 
my computer.

Sharing tiddlers between different wikis takes a bit more setup.

To make tiddlers from one wiki available in another wiki you edit the 
tiddlywiki.info file for the wiki you want the tiddlers in. Add an 
includeWikis section to the tiddlywiki.info file like the plugin section. 
Here is an example:

"includeWikis":[{
"path": "/home/inmysocks/TiddlyWiki/Wikis/WikiName",
"read-only": "true"
}]

I haven't found a way to selectively include tiddlers in another wiki, so I 
found it best to have a bunch of small single purpose wikis that pull in 
tiddlers from others instead of having a few big ones. TiddlyServer makes 
that easy.

One way to have wikis that are just specific bits of content is to create 
the tiddlers in one wiki and save them to another one using 
$:/config/FileSystemPaths, this is made simpler by having the different 
wikis grouped together like I do. Then in the $:/config/FileSystemPaths 
tiddler in one wiki you can put a filter like 

[tag[Other Wiki]addprefix[../../Other Wiki/tiddlers/]]

which will have any tiddlers tagged with 'Other Wiki' and save them in the 
tiddlers folder for another wiki.

One example of how this can be useful is having a wiki that is used for 
entering and saving bookmarks and then each bookmark tiddler can be saved 
to another wiki folder which can then be included as read-only in multiple 
other wikis. This can be used to have something like multi-user wikis. The 
downside is that the server needs to be restarted in order to update with 
the new files. Luckly adding ?reload=true to the end of the url when using 
TiddlyServer.

This can address 1, 2, 3, 4 (with reloading) and 6

I think that 5 would require changes to the server side.

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[tw] Re: How to cite part of texts in a tiddler from another?

[Asimov Isaac]

Hi Tony,
>
>
Good suggestion!
We can combine the methods through our discussions together, and customize 
them according our own needs. It must be powerful to do most things we want.

Isaac

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[tw] Re: How to cite part of texts in a tiddler from another?

[Asimov Isaac]

Hi Thomas,

Yes, you're right. When the parameter limit:"no" is added, everything works 
perfectly. Sorry for my carelessness. XD
And I find that your example even supports adding prefix and suffix, it is 
far more flexible than I imaged. That means there must be more features I 
have not noticed in your macro.

Your macro is a great help to me, and I think there must be other people 
who also need this.

Thanks again!

Isaac

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[tw] Re: How to cite part of texts in a tiddler from another?

[TonyM]

Issac,

A creative approach?

on reading through the discussion again, i was thinking about the excise 
tiddler feature in the editor. you can hightlight and cut text into a tiddler 
and a transclusion of that remains in the source tiddler.

what if you chose one language as primary and excised all the translations with 
a keyboard shortcut. you would then have translations or extracts in their own 
tiddlers, tagged with the source tiddler and the extracts tiddler title acts 
like a place holder in the source tiddler.

Despite extracting the translations from the source tiddler it will display 
both languages, use the subtiddlers for one language and the transclusion text 
as deliniators in the primary tiddle.

you may even be able to make custom excise button for each language and tag an 
excise with its language. you can then reuse them, tag them and show whatever 
you want whenever you want.

just an idea.

tony

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[tw] Re: [TW5] NodeJS beyond simply serving tiddlywikis

[Jed Carty]

I got it to load tiddlers from another wiki, that part is pretty straight 
forward. I haven't gotten external images to work but it is easy to use 
.meta files to add external media to an otherwise blank wiki and then 
include that in another wiki.

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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyServer as a Mac App

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi Amit,

Yes, I'll look into it more when I have time. I want this working, so I'm 
pretty motivated but, as always, it's a bit more complicated than I was 
hoping.I'm going to have to actually understand what's going on, instead of 
making it up as I go along. Le sigh. Thanks for your patience.

Regards,
Richard

On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 7:41:27 PM UTC+11, Amit Ahire wrote:
>
> Thanks for the update Richard. Can you delve a bit more into the issue, if 
> you have a better picture? 
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 8:01:31 AM UTC+5:30, RichardWilliamSmith 
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm really sorry to anyone who wasted time with this but in it's current 
>> form, it *will not work* unless you already have Tiddlywiki installed 
>> globally (which then invalidates the whole point of this existing). I will 
>> fix it, if I can. Sorry again.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 8:20:24 AM UTC+11, RichardWilliamSmith 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Amit,
>>>
>>> Can you just clarify - are you able to see any wikis using Tiddlyserver? 
>>> Is it just one that isn't working? Have you tried a single file wiki?
>>>
>>> There isn't really any different code in the package I released - I just 
>>> filled in the settings and added the shell script to run it.
>>>
>>> Are you able to post the changes that you made to the settings.json file?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 3:43:42 AM UTC+11, Amit Ahire wrote:


 Thanks Arlen for the reply. Please find the tiddlewiki.info attached 
 here. (Nothing fancy in it and json is valid)

 In the setting.json - I am setting the path of the folder where my wiki 
 folder exist. 

 In server console - i get "TypeError: Path must be a string. Received 
 undefined"



 On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 6:20:20 AM UTC+5:30, Arlen Beiler 
 wrote:
>
> There should be an error message of some sort in the server console 
> window related to the tiddlywiki.info file not working. Usually it 
> can't find a path for some reason or the json is invalid.
>
> Can you post your tiddlywiki.info file?
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 5:00 PM, "RichardWilliamSmith"  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Amit,
>>
>> I don't know about #1 - maybe Arlen can help? Are you able to launch 
>> your Tiddlywiki in the normal way? How did you create the 
>> tiddlywiki.info file? Does Tiddlywserver work with a "normal" 
>> single-page tiddlywiki?
>>
>> #2 - I screwed up the css when I packed it as an app - I'll fix it in 
>> the future.
>>
>> If you're interested in how I made an app out of it, you can read my 
>> notes here: https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 3:55:02 AM UTC+11, Amit Ahire wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> First of thanks for the Mac port.
>>>
>>> I wanted to try TiddleServer -- But I ran into some problems. (Might 
>>> be quick fix but I cant think of anything myself)
>>>
>>> 1 - When I try to load my tiddlywiki.info file - I received this 
>>> msg - "The Tiddlywiki data folder failed to load. To try again, use 
>>> ?reload=true after making any necessary corrections." -- Any idea of 
>>> how to 
>>> fix this? 
>>>
>>> 2 - Why is the CSS screwed in the server ? Even when I try run the 
>>> server from tiddlywiki - CSS is not working. Might be an issue with my 
>>> setup? Did the mistake of upgrading to HighSierra as soon as it was 
>>> available.
>>>
>>> [[ This same tiddlywiki.info works perfectly well in the 
>>> TiddlyDesktop App]]
>>>
>>> Thanks. These seems very dump questions but I cant think of anyway 
>>> to solve it myself.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 3:07:36 PM UTC+5:30, 
>>> RichardWilliamSmith wrote:

 Hi All, 

 Further to my recent explorations with Tiddlyserver, I *think* I've 
 managed to bundle it into an executable for the MacOS that should 
 "just 
 work" (famous last words).

 You can download a zip file from here: 
 https://github.com/r1chard5mith/TiddlyServer/releases/tag/2.0.6

 That should unzip to reveal a single icon, the double clicking of 
 which might (should) launch a terminal window with Tiddlyserver 
 running. 
 It's preconfigured to run on port 8889 and to serve to 0.0.0.0 (the 
 terminal window will tell you the full address including your local ip 
 address)

 There are instructions on how you can change the settings and a 
 link to a bit more info about how I made it.

 I'd be really grateful if you could let me know if it works, if 
 you're able to test it. It doesn't install anything and the download 

Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyServer as a Mac App

[Amit Ahire]

Thanks for the update Richard. Can you delve a bit more into the issue, if 
you have a better picture? 

On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 8:01:31 AM UTC+5:30, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> I'm really sorry to anyone who wasted time with this but in it's current 
> form, it *will not work* unless you already have Tiddlywiki installed 
> globally (which then invalidates the whole point of this existing). I will 
> fix it, if I can. Sorry again.
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 8:20:24 AM UTC+11, RichardWilliamSmith 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Amit,
>>
>> Can you just clarify - are you able to see any wikis using Tiddlyserver? 
>> Is it just one that isn't working? Have you tried a single file wiki?
>>
>> There isn't really any different code in the package I released - I just 
>> filled in the settings and added the shell script to run it.
>>
>> Are you able to post the changes that you made to the settings.json file?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 3:43:42 AM UTC+11, Amit Ahire wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Arlen for the reply. Please find the tiddlewiki.info attached 
>>> here. (Nothing fancy in it and json is valid)
>>>
>>> In the setting.json - I am setting the path of the folder where my wiki 
>>> folder exist. 
>>>
>>> In server console - i get "TypeError: Path must be a string. Received 
>>> undefined"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 6:20:20 AM UTC+5:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:

 There should be an error message of some sort in the server console 
 window related to the tiddlywiki.info file not working. Usually it 
 can't find a path for some reason or the json is invalid.

 Can you post your tiddlywiki.info file?

 On Oct 3, 2017 5:00 PM, "RichardWilliamSmith"  
 wrote:

> Hi Amit,
>
> I don't know about #1 - maybe Arlen can help? Are you able to launch 
> your Tiddlywiki in the normal way? How did you create the 
> tiddlywiki.info file? Does Tiddlywserver work with a "normal" 
> single-page tiddlywiki?
>
> #2 - I screwed up the css when I packed it as an app - I'll fix it in 
> the future.
>
> If you're interested in how I made an app out of it, you can read my 
> notes here: https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 3:55:02 AM UTC+11, Amit Ahire wrote:
>>
>>
>> First of thanks for the Mac port.
>>
>> I wanted to try TiddleServer -- But I ran into some problems. (Might 
>> be quick fix but I cant think of anything myself)
>>
>> 1 - When I try to load my tiddlywiki.info file - I received this msg 
>> - "The Tiddlywiki data folder failed to load. To try again, use 
>> ?reload=true after making any necessary corrections." -- Any idea of how 
>> to 
>> fix this? 
>>
>> 2 - Why is the CSS screwed in the server ? Even when I try run the 
>> server from tiddlywiki - CSS is not working. Might be an issue with my 
>> setup? Did the mistake of upgrading to HighSierra as soon as it was 
>> available.
>>
>> [[ This same tiddlywiki.info works perfectly well in the 
>> TiddlyDesktop App]]
>>
>> Thanks. These seems very dump questions but I cant think of anyway to 
>> solve it myself.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 3:07:36 PM UTC+5:30, 
>> RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All, 
>>>
>>> Further to my recent explorations with Tiddlyserver, I *think* I've 
>>> managed to bundle it into an executable for the MacOS that should "just 
>>> work" (famous last words).
>>>
>>> You can download a zip file from here: 
>>> https://github.com/r1chard5mith/TiddlyServer/releases/tag/2.0.6
>>>
>>> That should unzip to reveal a single icon, the double clicking of 
>>> which might (should) launch a terminal window with Tiddlyserver 
>>> running. 
>>> It's preconfigured to run on port 8889 and to serve to 0.0.0.0 (the 
>>> terminal window will tell you the full address including your local ip 
>>> address)
>>>
>>> There are instructions on how you can change the settings and a link 
>>> to a bit more info about how I made it.
>>>
>>> I'd be really grateful if you could let me know if it works, if 
>>> you're able to test it. It doesn't install anything and the download is 
>>> only ~18 Mb, but please treat it as a 'beta' and don't trust anything 
>>> important to it initially.
>>>
>>> Hopefully Arlen doesn't mind me releasing it this way? Maybe it is 
>>> worth trying a similar method for Windows? I'm not able to try myself, 
>>> I'm 
>>> afraid. Whatever you would prefer, just let me know.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: TiddlyServer as a Mac App

[Amit Ahire]

TiddlyServer is working fine. I set up the path in the settings.json and 
its renders the wiki properly. 

In terms of Macapp by Richard - I am new to OSX, but i tried changing the 
location of the app. I had kept Tiddlesever app in the Applications folder 
after setting the path in settings.json - Also tried placing the app in a 
normal folder but still no luck.

On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 11:19:27 PM UTC+5:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Since you said it works perfectly in TiddlyDesktop, what version of 
> TiddlyDesktop are you using? Also, please try using the TiddlyServer in 
> this link to make sure it is not something Richard's port. I will try to 
> implement the Mac app soon, so I can support it myself if there are any 
> problems. It could be something related to the Current Directory in the mac 
> app. I will have to look into that. But let me know how this works. 
> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases/download/2.0.6/TiddlyServer-2.0.6-bundled.zip
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Amit Ahire  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks Arlen for the reply. Please find the tiddlewiki.info attached 
>> here. (Nothing fancy in it and json is valid)
>>
>> In the setting.json - I am setting the path of the folder where my wiki 
>> folder exist. 
>>
>> In server console - i get "TypeError: Path must be a string. Received 
>> undefined"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 6:20:20 AM UTC+5:30, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> There should be an error message of some sort in the server console 
>>> window related to the tiddlywiki.info file not working. Usually it 
>>> can't find a path for some reason or the json is invalid.
>>>
>>> Can you post your tiddlywiki.info file?
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2017 5:00 PM, "RichardWilliamSmith"  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Amit,

 I don't know about #1 - maybe Arlen can help? Are you able to launch 
 your Tiddlywiki in the normal way? How did you create the 
 tiddlywiki.info file? Does Tiddlywserver work with a "normal" 
 single-page tiddlywiki?

 #2 - I screwed up the css when I packed it as an app - I'll fix it in 
 the future.

 If you're interested in how I made an app out of it, you can read my 
 notes here: https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver

 Regards,
 Richard

 On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 3:55:02 AM UTC+11, Amit Ahire wrote:
>
>
> First of thanks for the Mac port.
>
> I wanted to try TiddleServer -- But I ran into some problems. (Might 
> be quick fix but I cant think of anything myself)
>
> 1 - When I try to load my tiddlywiki.info file - I received this msg 
> - "The Tiddlywiki data folder failed to load. To try again, use 
> ?reload=true after making any necessary corrections." -- Any idea of how 
> to 
> fix this? 
>
> 2 - Why is the CSS screwed in the server ? Even when I try run the 
> server from tiddlywiki - CSS is not working. Might be an issue with my 
> setup? Did the mistake of upgrading to HighSierra as soon as it was 
> available.
>
> [[ This same tiddlywiki.info works perfectly well in the 
> TiddlyDesktop App]]
>
> Thanks. These seems very dump questions but I cant think of anyway to 
> solve it myself.
>
>
> On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 3:07:36 PM UTC+5:30, 
> RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>>
>> Hi All, 
>>
>> Further to my recent explorations with Tiddlyserver, I *think* I've 
>> managed to bundle it into an executable for the MacOS that should "just 
>> work" (famous last words).
>>
>> You can download a zip file from here: 
>> https://github.com/r1chard5mith/TiddlyServer/releases/tag/2.0.6
>>
>> That should unzip to reveal a single icon, the double clicking of 
>> which might (should) launch a terminal window with Tiddlyserver running. 
>> It's preconfigured to run on port 8889 and to serve to 0.0.0.0 (the 
>> terminal window will tell you the full address including your local ip 
>> address)
>>
>> There are instructions on how you can change the settings and a link 
>> to a bit more info about how I made it.
>>
>> I'd be really grateful if you could let me know if it works, if 
>> you're able to test it. It doesn't install anything and the download is 
>> only ~18 Mb, but please treat it as a 'beta' and don't trust anything 
>> important to it initially.
>>
>> Hopefully Arlen doesn't mind me releasing it this way? Maybe it is 
>> worth trying a similar method for Windows? I'm not able to try myself, 
>> I'm 
>> afraid. Whatever you would prefer, just let me know.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
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[tw] Re: How to cite part of texts in a tiddler from another?

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Isaac,

The parameter limit:"no" (as included in my examples) should give you *all* 
results. When it is missing, the macro returns only the first occurrence. 
Did you realise that?

Concerning the documentation you are absolutely right, I should revise 
that. Great you found my testing examples yourself.

Good luck!
Thomas

Am Sonntag, 8. Oktober 2017 09:56:25 UTC+2 schrieb Asimov Isaac:

> A little suggestion:
> I think that the tiddler "SummaryTest" and "SummaryResults" is more 
> appropriate to be displayed in your page as the example for beginners of 
> your macro.
> (http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#SummaryTest)
>

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[tw] Re: How to cite part of texts in a tiddler from another?

[Asimov Isaac]

Hi, Thomas,

I spend two hours playing your macro and it's really amazing!
Your method is nearly what I seek! And with some modifications, the Extract 
Macro could be useful in more cases.
It seems like using macros is the most ideal solution to this kind of 
problems now.

The only slight "flaw" is that if you use the same identifier to include 
several snippets in one tiddler (e.g. " , //, or  here), you 
can only extract the first snippet and others will be ignored.
Maybe this flaw can be easily bypassed by using different identifiers (like 
, ,...) and extracting them in another tiddler one by one. 
(Though "ugly", it works.)
Or this can be solved with some improvements to the Extract Macro itself so 
that it can recognize all the snippets included by the same identifier. 
(And this may take me some time ...)

A little suggestion:
I think that the tiddler "SummaryTest" and "SummaryResults" is more 
appropriate to be displayed in your page as the example for beginners of 
your macro.
(http://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#SummaryTest)
The tiddler "Extract Macro" may contain too much information and a beginner 
could feel confused. (Just my personal feeling, no offence. :P)

Thanks again for your awesome solution!


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[tw] Re: How to cite part of texts in a tiddler from another?

[Asimov Isaac]

Hi, Tony,

Thank you for your reminding. 
CSS and HTML are really good alternitives if someone is not familiar with 
WikiText at the beginning.

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