date:20180227

I strongly agree wjam. I first didnt inspect much because it just looked a 
little complicated - I spent 30 seconds on it and didnt get the workflow 
right away so I left it, but your plugin is amazing!

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:54:45 PM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Seriously wjam
>
> I think it may be worth posting news of your plugin again with a *Much 
> Stronger Headline* :-)
>
> Three times over the last week I know of issues that came up where your 
> new plugin would be relevant & writers were unaware of your new plugin.
>
> Need for VERSIONING is definitely in the air right now.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:48:11 UTC+1, wjam wrote:
>>
>> hi
>> at twjam5beta.tiddlyspot.com
>>
>> you can download a working version with many extra features :)
>>
>> kr
>> wjam
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Small Tip: simple no-plugin/no-core-modification way to store tiddler revisions

Hey Josiah,

I like your ideas. For #1, I also thought a "new tiddler revision" button 
could easily accomplish this part. For #2 - I really like the idea of 
incorporating the bundler plugin! I'd like to pause for a second and 
emphasize:

This is bascically like the  "staging area" in a git-based version control 
system!! 

Some examplanation: In a git repository, you add files to the "staging 
area", letting git know that these are the files and versions of those 
files you would like it to remember, and then you actually commit those 
files in the staging area. Thats how you keep track of versions. With this, 
the bundler could use filters to grab different groups of files, check if 
theyve changed (perhaps checking if modified is different than a 
last_modfified field which could be set by the revision saving mechanism) 
and then save them. In the analogy the bundler's filter acts as the staging 
area, only grabbing the tiddlers you care about, and the revision saving 
mechansism acts as the git commit.

Just some thoughts

Diego 

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:37:58 PM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Two thoughts ...
>
> 1 - Add an "archive save" button that clones the tiddler and increments 
> the save number automatically.
>
> 2 - Using the Bundler plugin to  easily periodically archive. Use its 
> "filter" mode to automatically isolate all but only the items you need to 
> archive so you can free up space in the TW.
>
> The idea is a very good one. Recent innovations like that discussed at 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/fxLtI4igpfY/kru1ES3LBgAJ are 
> down this line of thought--though with more concentration on live editing 
> comparison old-to-new. Does it already do what you are thinking?
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:19:34 UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Ive always wanted a plugin to store tiddler revisions. A simple way I do 
>> this now which might be obvious to some, especially in retrospect is to 
>> just clone a tiddler, keep the original title and add "/r1" after the 
>> original title and save it. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Small Tip: simple no-plugin/no-core-modification way to store tiddler revisions

I should also note that Danielo's NoteSelf:

https://noteself.github.io/

has tiddler revisions built in. 
 

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:19:34 PM UTC-6, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Ive always wanted a plugin to store tiddler revisions. A simple way I do 
> this now which might be obvious to some, especially in retrospect is to 
> just clone a tiddler, keep the original title and add "/r1" after the 
> original title and save it. An example:
>
> My Tiddler   > always represents the latest/current version of 
> the tiddler
> ...
> My Tiddler/r3   > nex next oldest
> My Tiddler/r2   > next oldest
> My Tiddler/r1   > oldest version
>
> Now, if you want to see the revisions of a tiddler you can use: 
>
> <> 
>
> *NOTE:* This is a simple tip using no modifications to core or plugins to 
> accomplish. It has several downsides, and some ways to ameliorate them (at 
> added complexity/overhead)
>
>- you're making many copies of the tiddler, which could blow up in 
>size - this is NOT a memory efficient revision mechanism
>   - this could be addressed by storing just a diff, perhaps generated 
>   by the new diff mechanism core will hopefully get soon! 
>   - you have to manually keep track of revision names/numbers
>   - this could be addressed with a simple "new revision button" to do 
>   the counting, which could be added to either view mode or edit mode or 
> both.
>- you have to manually put the tree somewhere to take a structured look
>   - this could be addressed with a simple "revisions" pane in the 
>   info pane of tiddlers which contians this tree 
>   - naming scheme is not that informative
>   - this could be addressed simply by altering the scheme to store a 
>   message in the the title: "/r1" to "/r1 - changing the layout", or a 
> better 
>   way is to store a message in a field and have that displayed in the 
>   "Revisions pane" mentioned earlier.  
>   
> I share here because even this simple way to store revesions has come in 
> handy for my simple use cases.
>
>
> Diego
>

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[tw] Re: [POLL] What does the community think about the new diff plugin?

Seriously wjam

I think it may be worth posting news of your plugin again with a *Much 
Stronger Headline* :-)

Three times over the last week I know of issues that came up where your new 
plugin would be relevant & writers were unaware of your new plugin.

Need for VERSIONING is definitely in the air right now.

Best wishes
Josiah

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> hi
> at twjam5beta.tiddlyspot.com
>
> you can download a working version with many extra features :)
>
> kr
> wjam
>
>

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[tw] Re: Small Tip: simple no-plugin/no-core-modification way to store tiddler revisions

Two thoughts ...

1 - Add an "archive save" button that clones the tiddler and increments the 
save number automatically.

2 - Using the Bundler plugin to  easily periodically archive. Use its 
"filter" mode to automatically isolate all but only the items you need to 
archive so you can free up space in the TW.

The idea is a very good one. Recent innovations like that discussed at 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/fxLtI4igpfY/kru1ES3LBgAJ are 
down this line of thought--though with more concentration on live editing 
comparison old-to-new. Does it already do what you are thinking?

Best wishes
Josiah

On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 19:19:34 UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Ive always wanted a plugin to store tiddler revisions. A simple way I do 
> this now which might be obvious to some, especially in retrospect is to 
> just clone a tiddler, keep the original title and add "/r1" after the 
> original title and save it. 
>

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[tw] Small Tip: simple no-plugin/no-core-modification way to store tiddler revisions

Ive always wanted a plugin to store tiddler revisions. A simple way I do
this now which might be obvious to some, especially in retrospect is to
just clone a tiddler, keep the original title and add "/r1" after the
original title and save it. An example:

My Tiddler > always represents the latest/current version of
the tiddler
...
My Tiddler/r3 > nex next oldest
My Tiddler/r2 > next oldest
My Tiddler/r1 > oldest version

Now, if you want to see the revisions of a tiddler you can use:

*NOTE:* This is a simple tip using no modifications to core or plugins to
accomplish. It has several downsides, and some ways to ameliorate them (at
added complexity/overhead)

- you're making many copies of the tiddler, which could blow up in size
- this is NOT a memory efficient revision mechanism
- this could be addressed by storing just a diff, perhaps generated
by the new diff mechanism core will hopefully get soon!
- you have to manually keep track of revision names/numbers
- this could be addressed with a simple "new revision button" to do
the counting, which could be added to either view mode or edit mode or
both.
- you have to manually put the tree somewhere to take a structured look
- this could be addressed with a simple "revisions" pane in the info
pane of tiddlers which contians this tree
- naming scheme is not that informative
- this could be addressed simply by altering the scheme to store a
message in the the title: "/r1" to "/r1 - changing the layout", or a
better
way is to store a message in a field and have that displayed in the
"Revisions pane" mentioned earlier.

I share here because even this simple way to store revesions has come in
handy for my simple use cases.

Diego

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[tw] Re: [POLL] What does the community think about the new diff plugin?

Hi @wjam 

That's cool, I've seen your plugin before!
It's very feature-packed and an alternative for me if I need more than what 
the tw diff offers

Thank you very much for sharing!

BTC

Am Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 17:48:11 UTC+1 schrieb wjam:
>
> hi
> at twjam5beta.tiddlyspot.com
>
> you can download a working version with many extra features :)
>
> kr
> wjam
>
>

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[tw] Re: dragging stuff into tw

2018-02-27 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

@ BTC

Do you know where the image deserializer/handler is?

We've been told that the path information is unavailable to TW thanks to 
security built into the browser. But clearly the image name is available, 
so if you used a standard naming convention, eg. abc_myimage.jpg then maybe 
your custom deserializer could use the "abc" part to assign a path on the 
fly. Like you, I've long wanted the ability to drag and drop an image and 
have a  _canonical_uri tiddler generated. Oh, and you're supposed to be 
able to do this with the desktop version and a plugin, but when I tried it 
there was still a bug in the desktop and it didn't work. That was a couple 
months back.

Looking at the HTML deserializer, I see that it doesn't do much. It occurs 
to me that you could pass it to a javascript function that makes it into 
it's own dom tree (can't think of the function name at the moment). Then 
parse the tree and traverse it, turning various tags into TW5 text.  A bit 
of work.

-- Mark

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 7:59:11 AM UTC-8, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> @Furicle , I tried it, it's pretty cool. If I copy a picture from my file 
> manager I only get the path into my wiki
>
> I think with specifying a deserializer I could make it possible that it 
> creates a tiddler with that path in the _canonical_uri field
> If I *drag* the picture into tw it gets saved within my wiki as a picture 
> and not kept external - 90% of the time I want it external
>
> @TiddlyTweeter , I tried that now for the first time, had no idea
>
> It's very useful
>
> @Mark S. , I think with customized deserializers one could tune it to 
> behave how one wants
>
> Do you think it's possible to build something that uses a deserializer and 
> the text-slicer plugin to create something from the imported html?
>

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[tw] Re: dragging stuff into tw

BurningTreeC wrote:

> Do you think it's possible to build something that uses a deserializer and 
> the text-slicer plugin to create something from the imported html?
>

This is the kind of thing that BJs TiddlyClip is also into. Well worth a 
serious look http://tiddlyclip.tiddlyspot.com/#New%20to%20TiddlyClip 

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[tw] Re: [POLL] What does the community think about the new diff plugin?

2018-02-27 Thread wjam

hi
at twjam5beta.tiddlyspot.com

you can download a working version with many extra features :)

kr
wjam

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[tw] Re: dragging stuff into tw

*D-n-d highlighted* of external sites doesn't always work--but often it 
does.

For instance on the WikiPedia issue we were recently discussing TiddlyWiki 
can import highlighted text from WikiPedia. It comes in as raw HTML, 
obviously.

Josiah 

BTC:
I didn't know that that works and I'm impressed
Do you know other examples where this works that may be useful?

Mark S. wrote:
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> Interesting -- I'm sure I've tried that in the past and it didn't work.
>

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[tw] Re: dragging stuff into tw

@Furicle , I tried it, it's pretty cool. If I copy a picture from my file 
manager I only get the path into my wiki

I think with specifying a deserializer I could make it possible that it 
creates a tiddler with that path in the _canonical_uri field
If I *drag* the picture into tw it gets saved within my wiki as a picture 
and not kept external - 90% of the time I want it external

@TiddlyTweeter , I tried that now for the first time, had no idea

It's very useful

@Mark S. , I think with customized deserializers one could tune it to 
behave how one wants

Do you think it's possible to build something that uses a deserializer and 
the text-slicer plugin to create something from the imported html?

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[tw] Re: [POLL] What does the community think about the new diff plugin?

2018-02-27 Thread Tristan Kohl

I voted for it being not part of the core for the reason to keep the core 
as slim as possible. This makes TW run as fast as possible from the 
beginning and one can add new features (plugins) if need be. For simple 
note taking for example I could not imagine myself using this as it is a 
"write and forget" kind of workflow. In this case another bucket of code 
would just increase the load on my mobile devices (desktop has enough horse 
power) for no added benefit.

On the other side if I am about to tweak something in my test-wiki which I 
personally only do on my desktop I would love to have such a little helper 
to find out where I might screw things up. So I think the diff plugin as 
all the other little helpers that are not absolutely necessary for TW to 
run should be plugins which the user is free to add at their own discretion.

Cheers,
Tristan

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:40:46 AM UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hello community,
>
> there's a new plugin on the TiddlyWiki prerelease page (link) 
>  that visually shows the differences 
> of what you added and deleted while editing a tiddler in the preview panel
>
> one can switch the colored diff preview on/off inside the preview dropdown 
> (beneath the eye button)
>
> Here's the github commit: 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3112
> As one can read there, it's not settled if this makes it into the 
> TiddlyWiki core, adding ~30kb to the empty html, or if it will be available 
> as a TiddlyWiki plugin
>
> I thought it would be interesting to see what the community thinks about it
>
> *So here's an anonymous poll:*
>
> *https://goo.gl/forms/Oh2a3Fhx9dUSttWA2* 
> 
>
> BTC
>

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[tw] Re: [POLL] What does the community think about the new diff plugin?



Speaking as a part time sysadmin, that's a vocation, not a game


On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 10:39:19 AM UTC-5, BurningTreeC wrote:
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> It could also be a nice game:
>
> Make all red stuff green again, you have 30 seconds
>

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[tw] Re: [POLL] What does the community think about the new diff plugin?

It could also be a nice game:

Make all red stuff green again, you have 30 seconds

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[tw] Re: [POLL] What does the community think about the new diff plugin?



> I'm glad to see the poll results are so stunningly conclusive...
>

:D me too! 

>
>
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> FWIW, I'd rather it was core, and turned on, with an option to 
> disable/enable.
>
> I think it's not something a non-programmer would think to go look for, or 
> even grasp the utility of,  but would find it useful if it was "shoved 
> under their nose" so to speak.
>
> I think it's really good for non-programmers (and programmers alike) who 
are making adventures into core tiddlers to be able to check before "oh 
what have I done"

>  
>

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[tw] Re: dragging stuff into tw

2018-02-27 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Interesting -- I'm sure I've tried that in the past and it didn't work.

You could use TW this way to replace the much-loved Scrapbook extension 
that disappeared in the great Foxaclypse. 

The main problems are that: 

1. It's all HTML which consumes 3x more space than mark-up
2. Images are links to sites which can go away at any time

-- Mark

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>
> Hi community,
>
> I want to share what I've discovered
>
> You may already know this, but for me it's new!
>
> Maybe you can share some interesting things that are possible with it:
>
> I was translating something in a well-known online translator which shows 
> a table with some informations below the translation
>
> I somehow selected the table and dragged it to my wiki then I was curious 
> enough to import and voilá there's the whole table in html in my wiki, 
> beautifully rendered
>
> I didn't know that that works and I'm impressed
> Do you know other examples where this works that may be useful?
>
> BTC
>

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[tw] Re: "horizontal" tables?

And look, it's in the documentation already.  
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Tables%20in%20WikiText

Sigh.   Need to reink that RTFM tattoo I guess
:-)


On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 10:24:58 AM UTC-5, Furicle wrote:
>
> Aha!
>
> Awesome - it even keeps the align left/middle/right by spacing rules
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 10:05:25 AM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> You can make a cell use a th tag instead of a td tag with ! like this:
>>
>> |!Date |Mon |Tue |
>> |!Activity |Swimming |Sleeping |
>>
>

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[tw] Re: dragging stuff into tw

Probably one of the most obvious, though often overlooked, drag & drop 
things is *dragging a tag between TiddlWikis*. 

Its awesome.



*The functionality of native drag-n-drop import in TiddlyWiki FAR exceeds 
any competition. *It should be a major selling point.

Josiah

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[tw] Re: "horizontal" tables?

Aha!

Awesome - it even keeps the align left/middle/right by spacing rules

Thank you!

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 10:05:25 AM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
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> You can make a cell use a th tag instead of a td tag with ! like this:
>
> |!Date |Mon |Tue |
> |!Activity |Swimming |Sleeping |
>

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[tw] Re: "horizontal" tables?

2018-02-27 Thread Jed Carty

You can make a cell use a th tag instead of a td tag with ! like this:

|!Date |Mon |Tue |
|!Activity |Swimming |Sleeping |

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[tw] Re: dragging stuff into tw

What I found recently I didn't know, was you can 'paste' a file into TW.

e.g. with a picture open, select all, copy, change to TW, click on an empty 
spot on the background and paste.

In retrospect maybe that's obvious, but it wasn't at the time :-)

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[tw] "horizontal" tables?




Tables with nicely formatted top rows in TW are easy


| Date | Activity |h
| Mon | Swimming |
| Tue | Sleeping |


But is there any way to make that a 'horizontal' table?

e.g. like this, but using TW text or even Markdown?



Date
Mon
Tue


Activity
Swimming
Sleeping




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[tw] dragging stuff into tw

Hi community,

I want to share what I've discovered

You may already know this, but for me it's new!

Maybe you can share some interesting things that are possible with it:

I was translating something in a well-known online translator which shows a 
table with some informations below the translation

I somehow selected the table and dragged it to my wiki then I was curious 
enough to import and voilá there's the whole table in html in my wiki, 
beautifully rendered

I didn't know that that works and I'm impressed
Do you know other examples where this works that may be useful?

BTC

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Re: [tw] Re: Can you use @@ to make inline span with styles AND class?

2018-02-27 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

One of the incentives for converting to mark-up is that an HTML tiddler is 
typically 3 times larger than one using mark-up. This is because no one 
hand-codes anything -- it's all done through some software that doesn't 
know how to consolidate attributes and as a result a lot of tags and/or 
attributes get repeated. If you're planning to clip a lot of articles 
keeping the size down is going to be important.

The other problem is that this same html is often difficult to read. One 
possibility would be to leave span's in, but insert line feeds so that when 
reading the source it's easier for the eye to follow. Markdown strict 
appears to leave  tags in, and it's really hard to follow what's 
going on.

-- Mark  

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 5:02:17 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
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> Ciao Jeremy
>
> Jeremy Ruston wrote (my emphasis):
>>
>> Nested spans can already be accomplished with HTML; the purpose of the @@ 
>> syntax is to provide a simpler, more concise alternative for the common 
>> situations where nesting isn't required. Clearly, to support nesting we'd 
>> need a syntax where it was possible to distinguish the opening of a span 
>> from the closing; that *would take us back to the same level of 
>> complexity as HTML itself.*
>>
>
> Right. Personally, for my usage, IF I were ever nesting spans, I'd prefer 
> explicit HTML because its easier for me to  read than WikiText would be. I 
> generally think if you add too much differentiation to WikiText it becomes 
> cumbersome and counter-productive.
>
> That said, in the background to the discussion was also, I think, issues 
> about converting WikiPedia pages that can have nested spans to TW (or 
> Pandocs of similar nested spans to a TW compatible import format). The 
> issue being that conversion would get complicated having a markup for 
> spans--but not nested spans.
>
> The discussion Steven Schneider started at  
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-GB=1#!topic/tiddlywiki/0Z4F7fBOBgQ 
> I think invokes some of the issue. FWIW I'm seriously doubtful that 
> focusing on WikiText for such conversion is necessarily a good (total) 
> approach. TW obviously supports HTML and if the objective is honing of WP 
> HTML to something workable in TW via Slicer or TiddlyClip or Pandoc--maybe 
> HTML comes first?
>
> Sorry for the lateral thinking mixing-up issues. But its kinda there I 
> think.
>
> Finally, I searched the documentation and can't find any reference to 
> WikiText STYLING of SPANS or its differences from the PARAGRAPH version.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Can you use @@ to make inline span with styles AND class?