date:20180309

David,

I do not have an answer for this but it resemble a number of other cases 
where Open in new window is no longer so good at rendering what you see 
inside the wiki window.

It seems to me that some CSS or other rendering steps are not equivalent in 
Open new Window. 

Do.try and resize the window etc to see if the layout improves.

Regards
Tony


On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 7:18:55 AM UTC+11, David Rodriguez wrote:
>
> Looking at a fraction from the demo for the KaTeX plugin:
>
>
> 
>
>
> Now, open that tiddler in a new window (I do so to print):
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> The fraction lines are all displaced.
>
>
> Any way to fix this? Thanks.
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

Mark,

Yes do that. Actually a list of methods would not hurt under an emergency 
save document.

Due to FireFox Plugins occurring in the background has lost a lot of work 
for me in the past, especially with TWC. I now maintain autosave on every 
tiddler edit. I achieve this by using multiple structured Wikis so that the 
save time is not interrupting.

The problem of loosing work is made worse by my abhorrence of re-work and 
with tiddlywiki running but not saving in your face you can be looking at a 
zombie, it has all your work in it but you can't save it. Sometimes I have 
taken screen shots of tiddlers content  in the recent list as a last 
resort, I have more often copy and pasted the content of all edited 
tiddlers into a text field for recreation.

Not withstanding the above every platform has risks, In many ways it is 
much easier to set up counter measures with tiddlywiki than most other 
solutions.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 6:32:14 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I'm thinking this is so useful, it should be added to the list of saving 
> techniques under "Emergency Export Save". I hope you don't mind if I borrow 
> your instructions...
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 11:03:17 AM UTC-8, wjam wrote:
>>
>> export to json is done using advanced search
>>
>> goto filter tab,
>>
>>  enter the filtertext below 
>>
>> [!is[system]!sort[modified]limit[25]]
>>
>> Check the list of tiddlers.
>>
>> adjust the number "25" to make sure you found  all your recently modified 
>> tiddlers
>>
>> Then press the bucket with the up arrow [_^_] which appears on the right
>>
>> This will ask for a location to store the tiddlers into a file called 
>> tiddler.json on your local drive. Press save.
>>
>> the tiddlers.json file can be imported (tools in sidebar) or drag and 
>> drop file on the top line of the story river of anather tw . (Press Esc if 
>> you change your mind ;-). You can (de)select specific tiddlers. Then press 
>> import.
>>
>> Similar In the viewtoolbar of a tiddler you can export the current 
>> tiddler.
>>
>> Njoy
>> Kr wjam
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Simple tip: some useful macros to simply asses/view "impact/reach" of tiddlers across your wiki.

Sounds very interesting, Thanks for Sharing. 

I appreciate tools that support the ability to manage knowledge and 
Information

Tony

On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 8:14:08 AM UTC+11, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I have defined the following macros:
>
>- taggingMe
>- linkToMe
>- aliasToMe
>- relatedToMe
>
> Each of these macros just counts the number of posts ___ (tagging, link, 
> etc) back to the current post, and if its non zero, display them in a 
> linked list. I use them in other templates and places around my wiki and 
> have found them useful. I have also defined a macro called "myImpact" which 
> just calls all 4 of these other macros which has been very useful as well. 
>
> A surprisingly useful variant of this is in my "missing" viewtemplate:
>
>
> title: $:/.dm/ui/missing
>
> 
> tags: $:/tags/ViewTemplate
>
> 
> <$list filter="[all[current]!is[system]!is[shadow]is[missing]]">
> This is a missing post. Its impact is: <>
> 
>
> 
>
> This lets me define and use a post that I want to get back to, and when I 
> first click on it to define it later, see its "impact/reach" all over my 
> wiki, which aids me in designing it/restructuring if necessary. 
>
> I know all of this information is available elsewhere, the info panel, 
> etc. but I have found it very useful to have these simple macros defined. 
> All of them are attached.
>
> Diego
>

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Re: [tw] discussing a tiddler

Jeremy,

Adding a little nuance to your line

*one of the simplest models I can see for funding community infrastructure 
would be to simply ask people signing up to donate as much as they can 
afford of a suggested donation*

Many people signing up do not yet understand the value they will receive, 
they have to speculate, and that typically will keep such donations low. 
Some way to detect higher usage and request a donation when you know they 
understand the value to them, should be built in to any such donation 
model. I believe this will increase donation size and regularity.

Regards
Tony



On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 10:47:15 PM UTC+11, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Tony, Mark,
>
> > I hope this doesn't mean that the stand-alone TW won't lose it's support 
> and/or interest.
>
> Not at all. TiddlyWiki is the main component of Xememex. Or put another 
> way, Xememex is just another platform on which TiddlyWiki can run 
> (alongside Node.js, the browser, TiddlyDesktop etc). 
>
> The guts are actually already open source — see the plugin:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/aws
>
> It can take a wiki folder and package it up as a single JS file that can 
> be executed within Amazon’s Lambda environment. The heart of Xememex is 
> just running TiddlyWiki as a Lambda function in Amazon’s cloud.
>
> > Just to get past the sticker shock, about how much does Amazon charge 
> for say 20 active contributors and a drive-by load equivalent to what 
> TiddlyWiki.com gets now?
>
> One would need to break that down to the level of individual Lambda 
> executions and data accesses in order to do a robust estimate, but it 
> wouldn’t be very much.
>
> It’s important to understand is that AWS pricing is incredibly cheap, and 
> getting cheaper all the time. For any given load it’s pretty much always 
> cheaper than a dedicated server would be. What requires a different way of 
> thinking is that in the old world of servers one provisioned a service by 
> choosing the server one could afford. The service would then scale up to 
> the capacity of that server, and when saturated it would fail in some way. 
> The advantage of that architecture is that you have a cap on the monthly 
> costs because the cost of the server is fixed.
>
> In serverless environments like AWS you don’t have that cap. If demand 
> grows, the infrastructure just keeps scaling. It’s incredibly useful; I had 
> a task that was taking 20 minutes to perform as a sequence of four or five 
> Lambdas, and I was able to reduce the execution time to 20 seconds just by 
> splitting the work into 200 parallel lambdas. The ultimate promise of 
> running TiddlyWiki in the cloud is that we will be able to use it for the 
> kind of “big data” projects that overwhelm TiddlyWiki running on a single 
> machine.
>
> Anyhow, we do have one important capability to limit runaway costs which 
> is that Amazon includes a content delivery network that caches static 
> content at the edge of the network. That avoids the crippling costs 
> associated with, say, being featured on a high traffic website like 
> HackerNews or SlashDot.
>
> I hope this amazon solution could be open, because many of us may be 
> prepared to host our own shared environments on Amazon ourselves, even at 
> some cost.
>
>
> Some of the new components I’ve built for Xememex are already open 
> sourced, and I’ll continue to open source stuff as it makes sense.
>
> Not withstanding that for community access solutions that have back-end 
> costs please never underestimate community contributions from  Crowd 
> funding (initial and ongoing) Patrion to optional donations and tip jars to 
> fund such services. The addition of a target that shows % funding raised 
> can also be helpful.
>
>
> I’m enthusiastic about using crowd funding to kickstart a business or 
> social enterprise, but I know from friends who have done it successfully 
> that it requires a lot of time and attention to get it right. Patreon is a 
> bit more interesting because it focusses on managing ongoing revenue, and 
> seems ideal for covering running costs of some modest community 
> infrastructure.
>
> I have not explored community funding along those lines because I would 
> still need to be doing something else commercial to earn an income. So, my 
> current approach is a commercial initiative: trying to build a sustainable 
> business by offering other businesses and individuals a professionally 
> managed cloud TiddlyWiki service.
>
> Non coercive opportunities to fund community projects is not 
> commercialisation, it is simply permitting the community to empower itself.
>
>
> Absolutely. I should have said that one of the simplest models I can see 
> for funding community infrastructure would be to simply ask people signing 
> up to donate as much as they can afford of a suggested donation. If we find 
> that we’re coming up short then we can have a funding drive and try to drum 
> up mo

[tw] Re: discussing a tiddler

Supporting Josiahs Post

"Yes. AND having ONE solution that works universally IMO is absolutely 
essential for wider uptake"

I would restate s
Yes. AND having ONE RELIABLE solution that works universally IMO is 
absolutely essential for wider uptake.

This in no way takes away from anyother solution. As Jeremy intimated such 
Cloud Wikis could be saved as single file wikis.

The problems?, I have considered a number of use cases to provide 
accessible and rapid access tools via tiddlywiki, I have looked at every 
save solution I can, even considered ways to co-opt some of these towards 
my desired outcomes and every solution falls down in some way. The key 
reasons are multi-user and saving/hosting.

Global access to Tiddlywikis, optionally secured, with online update 
(multiuser even if serial), in browser saves, and/or shared edits, easy to 
own or fork (download), easy to accept comments (otherwise Read Only), low 
cost hosting.
.

All this is there in some way or other but not available as solutions, as 
there are too many exceptions.

I am building a features table tool in TiddlyWiki right now to help me 
understand the TiddlyWiki save, access and Hosting ecosystems and detect 
when I may be able to implement real, public and commercial solutions on 
top of TiddlyWiki.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 5:06:49 AM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> About 'one way' to use tiddlywiki being desirable,
>
> One method of doing something is never going to work for everybody. Many 
> of the largest problems with technology come from people in positions of 
> authority insisting on that approach. Privacy on social media is a problem 
> because people expect there to be one single solution and give that all the 
> power. A cloud based solution may be ideal for you but it would be unusable 
> for me. I am often in a position where I don't have any access to the 
> internet. Having one solution is a great way to have one way that works for 
> people it works for and excludes everyone else. You don't hear complaints 
> about facebook on facebook because the people who it is made for use it for 
> everything and never hear the people who have trouble with it because the 
> 'one universal' solution isn't universal. If we do the same thing with 
> tiddlywiki than the people who can use it may have a slightly better 
> experience, but it would just exclude everyone who can't use that 'one way' 
> instead of letting people decide on how they want to use it.
>
>

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[tw] Re: Can you make a sidebar tab sorted by the date shown in the title?

2018-03-09 Thread Michael Wiktowy

On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 10:00:48 PM UTC-5, Riz wrote:
>
> The filter will become part of core in version 5.1.16. Once it comes out, 
> you can upgrade and remove the plugin 

Along with un-zero-padded dates, I did a quick test on the prerelease and 
the sortan filter seems like a perfect solution to my issue with sorting 
and unstable subsorting of CFR chapter titles (§1.10.100 (a)(1)) ... at 
least until they hit roman numerals ... but I'll take what I can get.

Thank you! This is awesome work. I'm looking forward to 5.1.16.

/Mike

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[tw] Simple tip: some useful macros to simply asses/view "impact/reach" of tiddlers across your wiki.

2018-03-09 Thread Diego Mesa

Hey all,

I have defined the following macros:

- taggingMe
- linkToMe
- aliasToMe
- relatedToMe

Each of these macros just counts the number of posts ___ (tagging, link,
etc) back to the current post, and if its non zero, display them in a
linked list. I use them in other templates and places around my wiki and
have found them useful. I have also defined a macro called "myImpact" which
just calls all 4 of these other macros which has been very useful as well.

A surprisingly useful variant of this is in my "missing" viewtemplate:

title: $:/.dm/ui/missing

tags: $:/tags/ViewTemplate

<$list filter="[all[current]!is[system]!is[shadow]is[missing]]">
This is a missing post. Its impact is: <>

This lets me define and use a post that I want to get back to, and when I
first click on it to define it later, see its "impact/reach" all over my
wiki, which aids me in designing it/restructuring if necessary.

I know all of this information is available elsewhere, the info panel, etc.
but I have found it very useful to have these simple macros defined. All of
them are attached.

Diego

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$__.dm_macros_taggingMe.json
Description: application/json

$__.dm_macros_relatedToMe.json
Description: application/json

$__.dm_macros_aliasToMe.json
Description: application/json

$__.dm_ui_missing.json
Description: application/json

$__.dm_macros_myImpact.json
Description: application/json

$__.dm_macros_linkToMe.json
Description: application/json

[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

But you said it runs every 5 minutes. So you kind of have to be aware that 
you haven't seen an announcement in the last 5 minutes?

Better to just get a warning from TW that something is amiss.

-- Mark

On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> That is one of the reasons why I use external backup. 
>
> It ALERTS me on a real save of new. I get a small notification on screen 
> indicating a new save was found and backed. That way I know if there is a 
> problem when I thought I saved when I don't see that message. Most 
> auto-backup tools can do that.
>
> Josiah
>
>
>
> On Friday, 9 March 2018 20:37:52 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Zyb is saying (I think) that the failure occurred silently. That is, it 
>> didn't announce that it wasn't saving. So your method would fail just like 
>> the DropBox method, because no new edits were being saved to disk.
>>
>> Maybe TW needs to make a bigger fuss when a save fails so that the user 
>> knows to stop working. It already does this when running on node.js.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 11:12:37 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Zyb
>>>
>>> To the people suggesting backups: You’re aware, right? that we are 
 talking about unsaved (and unsavable), ‘dirty’ files here, for which the 
 backup process (simultaneous to the save) has already failed

>>>
>>> ABSOLUTELY. That is why I run redundant backup that checks for changes 
>>> every 5 minutes. External backup is simply the reliable method with the 
>>> least hassle. 
>>>
>>> The other writers who are talking about JSON scenarios are correct, but 
>>> overlooking breakdown scenarios.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>

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[tw] KaTeX fractions look awful when tiddler opened in new window

2018-03-09 Thread David Rodriguez

Looking at a fraction from the demo for the KaTeX plugin:




Now, open that tiddler in a new window (I do so to print):





The fraction lines are all displaced.


Any way to fix this? Thanks.



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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

Mark,

That is one of the reasons why I use external backup. 

It ALERTS me on a real save of new. I get a small notification on screen 
indicating a new save was found and backed. That way I know if there is a 
problem when I thought I saved when I don't see that message. Most 
auto-backup tools can do that.

Josiah



On Friday, 9 March 2018 20:37:52 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Zyb is saying (I think) that the failure occurred silently. That is, it 
> didn't announce that it wasn't saving. So your method would fail just like 
> the DropBox method, because no new edits were being saved to disk.
>
> Maybe TW needs to make a bigger fuss when a save fails so that the user 
> knows to stop working. It already does this when running on node.js.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 11:12:37 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Zyb
>>
>> To the people suggesting backups: You’re aware, right? that we are 
>>> talking about unsaved (and unsavable), ‘dirty’ files here, for which the 
>>> backup process (simultaneous to the save) has already failed
>>>
>>
>> ABSOLUTELY. That is why I run redundant backup that checks for changes 
>> every 5 minutes. External backup is simply the reliable method with the 
>> least hassle. 
>>
>> The other writers who are talking about JSON scenarios are correct, but 
>> overlooking breakdown scenarios.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Josiah
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

Zyb is saying (I think) that the failure occurred silently. That is, it 
didn't announce that it wasn't saving. So your method would fail just like 
the DropBox method, because no new edits were being saved to disk.

Maybe TW needs to make a bigger fuss when a save fails so that the user 
knows to stop working. It already does this when running on node.js.

-- Mark

On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 11:12:37 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Zyb
>
> To the people suggesting backups: You’re aware, right? that we are talking 
>> about unsaved (and unsavable), ‘dirty’ files here, for which the backup 
>> process (simultaneous to the save) has already failed
>>
>
> ABSOLUTELY. That is why I run redundant backup that checks for changes 
> every 5 minutes. External backup is simply the reliable method with the 
> least hassle. 
>
> The other writers who are talking about JSON scenarios are correct, but 
> overlooking breakdown scenarios.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

I'm thinking this is so useful, it should be added to the list of saving 
techniques under "Emergency Export Save". I hope you don't mind if I borrow 
your instructions...

Thanks!
Mark

On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 11:03:17 AM UTC-8, wjam wrote:
>
> export to json is done using advanced search
>
> goto filter tab,
>
>  enter the filtertext below 
>
> [!is[system]!sort[modified]limit[25]]
>
> Check the list of tiddlers.
>
> adjust the number "25" to make sure you found  all your recently modified 
> tiddlers
>
> Then press the bucket with the up arrow [_^_] which appears on the right
>
> This will ask for a location to store the tiddlers into a file called 
> tiddler.json on your local drive. Press save.
>
> the tiddlers.json file can be imported (tools in sidebar) or drag and drop 
> file on the top line of the story river of anather tw . (Press Esc if you 
> change your mind ;-). You can (de)select specific tiddlers. Then press 
> import.
>
> Similar In the viewtoolbar of a tiddler you can export the current tiddler.
>
> Njoy
> Kr wjam
>
>

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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

Ciao Zyb

To the people suggesting backups: You’re aware, right? that we are talking 
> about unsaved (and unsavable), ‘dirty’ files here, for which the backup 
> process (simultaneous to the save) has already failed
>

ABSOLUTELY. That is why I run redundant backup that checks for changes 
every 5 minutes. External backup is simply the reliable method with the 
least hassle. 

The other writers who are talking about JSON scenarios are correct, but 
overlooking breakdown scenarios.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

2018-03-09 Thread wjam

export to json is done using advanced search

goto filter tab,

 enter the filtertext below 

[!is[system]!sort[modified]limit[25]]

Check the list of tiddlers.

adjust the number "25" to make sure you found  all your recently modified 
tiddlers

Then press the bucket with the up arrow [_^_] which appears on the right

This will ask for a location to store the tiddlers into a file called 
tiddler.json on your local drive. Press save.

the tiddlers.json file can be imported (tools in sidebar) or drag and drop file 
on the top line of the story river of anather tw . (Press Esc if you change 
your mind ;-). You can (de)select specific tiddlers. Then press import.

Similar In the viewtoolbar of a tiddler you can export the current tiddler.

Njoy
Kr wjam

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[tw] Re: discussing a tiddler

Ciao Jed

Great points, all of which I, basically, agree with. 

But I also want to push back and point out it overlooks something equally 
important. I think its good to have this discussion because the kind of 
point I'm trying to make often is getting lost.

I am not saying the wonderful diversity of TW should go or be hidden. But 
shoving it in your face if you are a simple user just wanting to just learn 
what TW can do can be overwhelming. A serious put-off. 

IF there were one universal starting point to try, maybe through Cloud, 
since that works on most everything, it would be a real plus IMO to getting 
TW better known. That is: one start point for newbies and then diversity. 
Not diversity first. Its a complication too far.  

I am absolutely convinced that take-up of Tiddly-Wiki is way below what it 
should be. And I think the mess of getting it running, and the sheer number 
of options, is one major part of that.

Best wishes
Josiah

Jed Carty wrote:
>
> About 'one way' to use tiddlywiki being desirable,
>
> One method of doing something is never going to work for everybody. Many 
> of the largest problems with technology come from people in positions of 
> authority insisting on that approach. Privacy on social media is a problem 
> because people expect there to be one single solution and give that all the 
> power. A cloud based solution may be ideal for you but it would be unusable 
> for me. I am often in a position where I don't have any access to the 
> internet. Having one solution is a great way to have one way that works for 
> people it works for and excludes everyone else. You don't hear complaints 
> about facebook on facebook because the people who it is made for use it for 
> everything and never hear the people who have trouble with it because the 
> 'one universal' solution isn't universal. If we do the same thing with 
> tiddlywiki than the people who can use it may have a slightly better 
> experience, but it would just exclude everyone who can't use that 'one way' 
> instead of letting people decide on how they want to use it.
>
>

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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

Yes, the solution Thomas suggested is one of the last result methods that 
always works available when you know that you can't save your file in 
another way but have the wiki open.

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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

2018-03-09 Thread Zyb

Thanks for the sympathy. ;-) To the people suggesting backups: You’re 
aware, right? that we are talking about unsaved (and unsavable), ‘dirty’ 
files here, for which the backup process (simultaneous to the save) has 
already failed and cannot be fixed without restarting the browser, thus 
closing the dirty TW file, thus resulting in the data loss I’m talking 
about? That is why Dropbox won’t help (I suspect), either, because it only 
uploads edited files, but a dirty TW will not be detected as edited. I have 
plenty of backups right up until FF updated Mario’s addon and rendered it 
nonfunctional in the process.

Before I even read up on what ‘export JSON’ means, Thomas: Does that apply 
to a dirty, unsavable TW file? (Btw, I use your excellent 
TextStretch/Footnotes on one of my pages, thanks for that!)

All best,
Zyb

Am Freitag, 9. März 2018 18:42:10 UTC+1 schrieb Thomas Elmiger:
>
> Hey people, 
>
> I feel with Zyb too, data loss is always a disaster or a disappointment at 
> least. BUT in this case it was probably not necessary!!! 
>
> As described in my last post, there is a workaround for even this scenario 
> when Mario‘s save and backup (it covers that too!) refuses to save: export 
> JSON. 
>
> So: Know your tools, backup and you will be as safe as possible in these 
> days. 
>
> All the best, 
> Thomas

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[tw] Re: discussing a tiddler

About 'one way' to use tiddlywiki being desirable,

One method of doing something is never going to work for everybody. Many of
the largest problems with technology come from people in positions of
authority insisting on that approach. Privacy on social media is a problem
because people expect there to be one single solution and give that all the
power. A cloud based solution may be ideal for you but it would be unusable
for me. I am often in a position where I don't have any access to the
internet. Having one solution is a great way to have one way that works for
people it works for and excludes everyone else. You don't hear complaints
about facebook on facebook because the people who it is made for use it for
everything and never hear the people who have trouble with it because the
'one universal' solution isn't universal. If we do the same thing with
tiddlywiki than the people who can use it may have a slightly better
experience, but it would just exclude everyone who can't use that 'one way'
instead of letting people decide on how they want to use it.

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[tw] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

Last night, I discovered @TiddlyWiki . My 
god, I'm in love!
-- @tkarakashian 


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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

2018-03-09 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hey people, 

I feel with Zyb too, data loss is always a disaster or a disappointment at 
least. BUT in this case it was probably not necessary!!!

As described in my last post, there is a workaround for even this scenario when 
Mario‘s save and backup (it covers that too!) refuses to save: export JSON. 

So: Know your tools, backup and you will be as safe as possible in these days. 

All the best,
Thomas

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Re: [tw] discussing a tiddler

How does this scalability work? If TW's gui is still browser based, it's 
not going to be able to access millions of tiddlers. I'm guessing the 
server side will just pass a limited selection of tiddlers on demand?

Thanks!
Mark

On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 3:47:15 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
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> * scability to cope with millions of tiddlers
>

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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

I can feel your pain, since I've lost work from time to time.

Pretty much all open source is really in some kind of beta. Even 
professional tools, like Java, make you agree when you use their product 
that you won't use it for anything mission-critical. The reason it's always 
in beta is that developers working for free don't have a team of quality 
control experts working hard to break the software. 

So one thing you can do is to put a safety net under your work. Looking 
around, it appears that DropBox will keep a version history on all files 
that it is synching for 30 days on free accounts. So in your case, you 
could have recovered your file out of the DB version history. GoogleDrive 
looks to also have versions for some unspecified time (haven't tried it 
with GD though).

People will put up with all sorts of complexity once they see the power of 
it. Purchasing, setting up, securing, and initializing  a computer (or 
device) isn't easy, yet there are about 2 billion working computers in the 
world and 7 billion mobile devices.

Good luck!
-- Mark



On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 2:34:33 AM UTC-8, Zyb wrote:
>
> I have the greatest respect for your work, Mario, and am eternally 
> greatful for your addon. If my posts sounded a little testy, I apologize, 
> but I am quite angry, actually. Not at you personally of course, nor at 
> Jeremy or anyone, but at a situation where I sit here replicating hours of 
> lost work in dozens of tiddlers and thinking about the depressing fact 
> that, in 2018 for crying out loud, the one piece of software that enriched 
> my personal and professional life more than any other tool and which I 
> think is the greatest thing since sliced bread, fails to save my work when 
> I need it saved. Yesterday, I thought -- as I regularly do ever since the 
> FF update last year -- about ditching TW and reverting to the half dozen or 
> so applications which I used to use for stuff that I now do in TW. Because 
> they save my work without, you know, an addon with all the crappy 
> dependencies and unknowns and (your phrasing is ironic really) “edge 
> cases”. Sure, that would feel as bad as reverting to ink and paper, or to 
> chiseling letters on marble slabs, but hey -- my data is safer than in TW. 
> I don’t know what you guys use TW for, but I do professional work with it, 
> precious work not only in terms of invested time, I *think* with it, I 
> produce scholarship. And TW is an integral part of why I love my job, 
> because it elevates me in my professionalism. But that also means I 
> *depend* on TW, I *need* it working. This is why it totally horrifies me 
> when the one single thing the only function of which it is to keep my work 
> safe -- fails. And it totally deflates my faith in TW that there even is a 
> situation where a third party addon has to fulfil that function (yes, I 
> know, this situation has been around since TW2 -- and if I could go back in 
> time knowing how fundamentally broken TW’s dependency on a browser is when 
> it needs a hack to be able to save it, I’d delete the day I stumbled upon 
> TW and had my mind blown just to save myself the heartache of ditching it 
> many years later). You know, I used to recommend TW to colleagues and 
> friends, I created a customized TW2 empty.html to make it easier for them 
> -- not only don’t I do that anymore, I cringe with awkwardness at my own 
> enthusiasm. They all stopped using it, “Zyb, this thing you gave me doesn’t 
> work any more, don’t know what happened.” and I stopped trying to fix it 
> for them, I shrug and say “Yeah, I’m sorry.”, because TW’s problem seems to 
> be unfixable.
>
> Phew. Sorry for the rant. I guess I needed that if none of you guys do. 
> Yes, I’m bitter. Please, also, if you’re tempted: refrain from giving me 
> ‘good advice’. I did look into it: TiddlyDesktop is unusable and don’t even 
> get me started on that server thingy.
>
> Zyb
>
>
> Am Freitag, 9. März 2018 10:05:19 UTC+1 schrieb PMario:
>>
>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 6:42:24 PM UTC+1, Zyb wrote:
>>>
>>>  Are you saying that the addon was updated not on browser startup but at 
>>> an arbitrary point in between?
>>>
>>
>> I think, it's a browser background task. ... but there is no description 
>> how updates happen. .. At least I haven't found one ... 
>>  
>>
>>> How could I have even noticed that?
>>>
>>
>> I will have a look, if there is a possibility to notify users. 
>>  
>>
>>> Why would it render the wikis unsavable until restart (which means 
>>> losing the work already done)?
>>>
>>
>> As I wrote in the other post, it may be needed to reload the tab after a 
>> plugin update. .. I'll have a look, if a "running tab" can detect plugin 
>> updates. ATM I don't know, if there is any signal from the browser and if 
>> we can *reliably detect it*.  
>>  
>>
>>> That’s not something that should happen, ever, I think.
>>>
>>
>> You are right. ... But there are always edge cases, a developer didn't 
>> think abo

[tw] Re: Recommendations for hosting with domain name

2018-03-09 Thread Matthew Lauber

And you can point a custom domain to a github pages site, if you want to go 
extra cheap.

On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 12:15:58 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Look for something with good performance. And support for basic CDN.
>
> Tie to domain name is usually not an issue since the host you are on can 
> be re-directed to from a domain name you own without problem.
>
> My impression is GitHub is pretty good at the "cheaper" end of the market 
> :-)
>
> Josiah
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[tw] Re: Recommendations for hosting with domain name

Look for something with good performance. And support for basic CDN.

Tie to domain name is usually not an issue since the host you are on can be 
re-directed to from a domain name you own without problem.

My impression is GitHub is pretty good at the "cheaper" end of the market 
:-)

Josiah

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Re: [tw] discussing a tiddler

Ciao Jeremy


Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> ... all of this is really driven by the new capabilities that TiddlyWiki 
> can gain when you put it in the cloud.:
>
> * first and foremost being ease of use; TiddlyWiki in the cloud can be as 
> easy to use as any online service
> * adding a tiddler by sending an email to a special email address
> * real time notifications via SMS/email etc
> * integration of other online services: image recognition, OCR, speech 
> transcription, automatic translation services
>

Yes. I can see it.
 

> * scability to cope with millions of tiddlers
>

 IMO scalability & PERFORMANCE are becoming issues. In my own case I been 
playing around to see if I can use TW for some larger scale projects. In 
terms of what TW can DO its absolutely ideal. In terms of PERFORMANCE, 
optimising it seems over complicated, and perhaps there is just a top limit 
what you can expect in a local browser.

Cloud-based services aren’t suitable for everybody all of the time. The 
> trade-off is that one gains scalability, availability, and access to a 
> bunch of useful “black box” functionality. Personally, I use a mix of cloud 
> services and things running on my own machines.
>
 

> But of course, part of the point of TiddlyWiki is that one can use it in a 
> rigorously private manner, and that capability is not going away
>
 

> The possibility of using the same app across such a wide spectrum of 
> contexts is pretty unique.
>

Yes. AND having ONE solution that works universally IMO is absolutely 
essential for wider uptake 

17 part options before breakfast covering every platform in rich ways IS a 
real testament to TW's brilliance. 

But I simply do NOT believe that is a selling point. 

A selling point is having ONE. 

If Cloud can deliver that so much the better for wider uptake.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Generate table with tiddler fields as columns

That's so good it should be bookmarked at TiddlyWiki.com (PR#3159)

-- Mark

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> Sorry, the link is here: 
> http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/DynamicTables/

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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

Ciao Zyb & PMario

Given that TiddlyWiki runs in a web browser and there are huge chains of
complication that can lead to issues, IMO, especially for local TW, one
should always also run redundant backup too. The more valuable the data the
more important that is. Its not difficult.

FWIW in my practice I like TW options for saving backups/saving like PMario
made. But NOT specifically for my final backup--only to give me a stanard
place to find the latest version or its backup. I backup every changed
TiddlyWiki via specialist backup software.

PMario's problem is he's writing a piece of software into a complex
environment to bridge between a TiddlyWiki "page" and saving in a fashion
that helps users. Sometimes that bridge fails.

On your, Zyb, utter frustration with the complexities and vast numbers of
variations on TW, and your colleagues antipathy to getting into
complications, I am in sympathy with you.

IMO, for a proper, reliable, standard, out-of-the-box usage for TW, where
you don't have to deal with platforms & 17 configurations, or worry about
backup, its probably gonna happen eventually in Cloud Computing.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Generate table with tiddler fields as columns

2018-03-09 Thread Pin Tail

Thanks so much - just what I was looking for!

Is there any way I can make it so that the rows of the table link to the 
tiddlers themselves?

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> Sorry, the link is here: 
> http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/DynamicTables/

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Re: [tw] discussing a tiddler

2018-03-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Mark

> Sounds very exciting. It seems I have a bunch of learning curves to ascend.

>From the perspective of a user, Xememex behaves almost exactly like the stock 
>Node.js configuration of TiddlyWiki.

> The thing about cloud-based services, is there is just no way for you to know 
> what's going on behind the scenes. Evernote does most everything I want, has 
> limitless capacity and is reasonably priced. Of course it can't slice and 
> dice like TW, but it can suck entire articles including images and formatting 
> all at once. BUT ... I'm reluctant to use it for personal data. Especially 
> since the shell-shock exploit. In theory, every cloud-based service should be 
> shutting down their machines and applying a firmware patch that will actually 
> reduce the performance of their machines. But are they?  Without the patch, 
> one rogue client might be able to capture the data of 1000s of other clients.

Cloud-based services aren’t suitable for everybody all of the time. The 
trade-off is that one gains scalability, availability, and access to a bunch of 
useful “black box” functionality. Personally, I use a mix of cloud services and 
things running on my own machines.

AWS have patched Shell Shock and the flaws that were reported earlier this 
year. But it would be prudent to assume that similar issues will be found in 
the future.

But of course, part of the point of TiddlyWiki is that one can use it in a 
rigorously private manner, and that capability is not going away. The 
possibility of using the same app across such a wide spectrum of contexts is 
pretty unique.

> What would make me more comfortable with cloud-based services if client-side 
> encryption were available. I know that nixes some of the big data 
> possibilities (but not all, if meta data is available) but it would make 
> people feel more comfortable. Also, if the corporations you work with have 
> HIPAA-like requirements, internal encryption would be pretty much mandatory.

A subset of AWS services are HIPAA-compliant; including supporting encryption 
for data at rest.

There’s no obstacle with using client side encryption with Xememex or any other 
TW serverside; it just needs some work on the client to make things work.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> Thanks!
> -- Mark 
> 
> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 3:47:15 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Tony, Mark,
> 
> > I hope this doesn't mean that the stand-alone TW won't lose it's support 
> > and/or interest.
> 
> Not at all. TiddlyWiki is the main component of Xememex. Or put another way, 
> Xememex is just another platform on which TiddlyWiki can run (alongside 
> Node.js, the browser, TiddlyDesktop etc). 
> 
> The guts are actually already open source — see the plugin:
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/aws 
> 
> 
> It can take a wiki folder and package it up as a single JS file that can be 
> executed within Amazon’s Lambda environment. The heart of Xememex is just 
> running TiddlyWiki as a Lambda function in Amazon’s cloud.
> 
> > Just to get past the sticker shock, about how much does Amazon charge for 
> > say 20 active contributors and a drive-by load equivalent to what 
> > TiddlyWiki.com  gets now?
> 
> One would need to break that down to the level of individual Lambda 
> executions and data accesses in order to do a robust estimate, but it 
> wouldn’t be very much.
> 
> It’s important to understand is that AWS pricing is incredibly cheap, and 
> getting cheaper all the time. For any given load it’s pretty much always 
> cheaper than a dedicated server would be. What requires a different way of 
> thinking is that in the old world of servers one provisioned a service by 
> choosing the server one could afford. The service would then scale up to the 
> capacity of that server, and when saturated it would fail in some way. The 
> advantage of that architecture is that you have a cap on the monthly costs 
> because the cost of the server is fixed.
> 
> In serverless environments like AWS you don’t have that cap. If demand grows, 
> the infrastructure just keeps scaling. It’s incredibly useful; I had a task 
> that was taking 20 minutes to perform as a sequence of four or five Lambdas, 
> and I was able to reduce the execution time to 20 seconds just by splitting 
> the work into 200 parallel lambdas. The ultimate promise of running 
> TiddlyWiki in the cloud is that we will be able to use it for the kind of 
> “big data” projects that overwhelm TiddlyWiki running on a single machine.
> 
> Anyhow, we do have one important capability to limit runaway costs which is 
> that Amazon includes a content delivery network that caches static content at 
> the edge of the network. That avoids the crippling costs associated with, 
> say, being featured on a high traffic website like HackerNews or SlashDot.
> 
>> I hope this amazon solution cou

[tw] Recommendations for hosting with domain name

2018-03-09 Thread Alex Hough

Dear All,

Apart from TiddlySpot and GitHub what would you recomend to host a TW?

I want to tie the TW to a domain name

best wishes

Alex

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Re: [tw] discussing a tiddler

Hi Jeremy,

Sounds very exciting. It seems I have a bunch of learning curves to ascend.

The thing about cloud-based services, is there is just no way for you to 
know what's going on behind the scenes. Evernote does most everything I 
want, has limitless capacity and is reasonably priced. Of course it can't 
slice and dice like TW, but it can suck entire articles including images 
and formatting all at once. BUT ... I'm reluctant to use it for personal 
data. Especially since the shell-shock exploit. In theory, every 
cloud-based service should be shutting down their machines and applying a 
firmware patch that will actually reduce the performance of their machines. 
But are they?  Without the patch, one rogue client might be able to capture 
the data of 1000s of other clients.

What would make me more comfortable with cloud-based services if 
client-side encryption were available. I know that nixes some of the big 
data possibilities (but not all, if meta data is available) but it would 
make people feel more comfortable. Also, if the corporations you work with 
have HIPAA-like requirements, internal encryption would be pretty much 
mandatory.

Thanks!
-- Mark 

On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 3:47:15 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Tony, Mark,
>
> > I hope this doesn't mean that the stand-alone TW won't lose it's support 
> and/or interest.
>
> Not at all. TiddlyWiki is the main component of Xememex. Or put another 
> way, Xememex is just another platform on which TiddlyWiki can run 
> (alongside Node.js, the browser, TiddlyDesktop etc). 
>
> The guts are actually already open source — see the plugin:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/aws
>
> It can take a wiki folder and package it up as a single JS file that can 
> be executed within Amazon’s Lambda environment. The heart of Xememex is 
> just running TiddlyWiki as a Lambda function in Amazon’s cloud.
>
> > Just to get past the sticker shock, about how much does Amazon charge 
> for say 20 active contributors and a drive-by load equivalent to what 
> TiddlyWiki.com gets now?
>
> One would need to break that down to the level of individual Lambda 
> executions and data accesses in order to do a robust estimate, but it 
> wouldn’t be very much.
>
> It’s important to understand is that AWS pricing is incredibly cheap, and 
> getting cheaper all the time. For any given load it’s pretty much always 
> cheaper than a dedicated server would be. What requires a different way of 
> thinking is that in the old world of servers one provisioned a service by 
> choosing the server one could afford. The service would then scale up to 
> the capacity of that server, and when saturated it would fail in some way. 
> The advantage of that architecture is that you have a cap on the monthly 
> costs because the cost of the server is fixed.
>
> In serverless environments like AWS you don’t have that cap. If demand 
> grows, the infrastructure just keeps scaling. It’s incredibly useful; I had 
> a task that was taking 20 minutes to perform as a sequence of four or five 
> Lambdas, and I was able to reduce the execution time to 20 seconds just by 
> splitting the work into 200 parallel lambdas. The ultimate promise of 
> running TiddlyWiki in the cloud is that we will be able to use it for the 
> kind of “big data” projects that overwhelm TiddlyWiki running on a single 
> machine.
>
> Anyhow, we do have one important capability to limit runaway costs which 
> is that Amazon includes a content delivery network that caches static 
> content at the edge of the network. That avoids the crippling costs 
> associated with, say, being featured on a high traffic website like 
> HackerNews or SlashDot.
>
> I hope this amazon solution could be open, because many of us may be 
> prepared to host our own shared environments on Amazon ourselves, even at 
> some cost.
>
>
> Some of the new components I’ve built for Xememex are already open 
> sourced, and I’ll continue to open source stuff as it makes sense.
>
> Not withstanding that for community access solutions that have back-end 
> costs please never underestimate community contributions from  Crowd 
> funding (initial and ongoing) Patrion to optional donations and tip jars to 
> fund such services. The addition of a target that shows % funding raised 
> can also be helpful.
>
>
> I’m enthusiastic about using crowd funding to kickstart a business or 
> social enterprise, but I know from friends who have done it successfully 
> that it requires a lot of time and attention to get it right. Patreon is a 
> bit more interesting because it focusses on managing ongoing revenue, and 
> seems ideal for covering running costs of some modest community 
> infrastructure.
>
> I have not explored community funding along those lines because I would 
> still need to be doing something else commercial to earn an income. So, my 
> current approach is a commercial initiative: trying to build a sustainable 
>

Re: [tw] Re: How can I hide the author's name in all tiddlers?

2018-03-09 Thread Tom Hales

And thank you Mat for the first answer.

The documentation mentions moving tags above titles. Is it easy to move the
date the tiddler was last edited to the right of the tags?

On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 at 22:00 Tom Hales <75.15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ahh, tagging it includes it in the stylesheet!
>
> That makes sense!
>
> Thank you Jed.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 20:55 Jed Carty  wrote:
>
>> Create a new tiddler, the name can be anything you want.
>>
>> Give the tiddler the tag $:/tags/Stylesheet
>>
>> in the text field of the tiddler put:
>>
>> .tc-subtitle .tc-tiddlylink {display:none;}
>>
>> save the tiddler and it should be done.
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Re: [tw] Re: How can I hide the author's name in all tiddlers?

2018-03-09 Thread Tom Hales

Ahh, tagging it includes it in the stylesheet!

That makes sense!

Thank you Jed.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 20:55 Jed Carty  wrote:

> Create a new tiddler, the name can be anything you want.
>
> Give the tiddler the tag $:/tags/Stylesheet
>
> in the text field of the tiddler put:
>
> .tc-subtitle .tc-tiddlylink {display:none;}
>
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[tw] Re: [AddOn] file-backups - "TiddlyWiki File Save and Backup" V0.3.5 small bugfix release

2018-03-09 Thread PMario

Hi Zyb, 

I'm sorry that you lost work. 

On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 11:34:33 AM UTC+1, Zyb wrote:
...

> Because they save my work without, you know, an addon with all the crappy 
> dependencies and unknowns and (your phrasing is ironic really) “edge 
> cases”. 


I didn't mean it ironic. I meant it as in: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge_case  

You wrote: 

> That’s not something that should happen, ever, I think.
>
 
I wrote:

> You are right. ... But there are always edge cases, a developer didn't 
> think about. ..


I just wanted to say, that I didn't think about this case. ... and I didn't 
test it. ... 
There is no code in the plugin, to deal with this case. 

Now that I know, there is a critical problem, I can have a closer look and 
probably fix it.

-mario

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[tw] Re: How can I hide the author's name in all tiddlers?

Create a new tiddler, the name can be anything you want.

Give the tiddler the tag $:/tags/Stylesheet

in the text field of the tiddler put:

.tc-subtitle .tc-tiddlylink {display:none;}

save the tiddler and it should be done.

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Re: [tw] discussing a tiddler

2018-03-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Tony, Mark,

> I hope this doesn't mean that the stand-alone TW won't lose it's support 
> and/or interest.

Not at all. TiddlyWiki is the main component of Xememex. Or put another way, 
Xememex is just another platform on which TiddlyWiki can run (alongside 
Node.js, the browser, TiddlyDesktop etc). 

The guts are actually already open source — see the plugin:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/plugins/tiddlywiki/aws 


It can take a wiki folder and package it up as a single JS file that can be 
executed within Amazon’s Lambda environment. The heart of Xememex is just 
running TiddlyWiki as a Lambda function in Amazon’s cloud.

> Just to get past the sticker shock, about how much does Amazon charge for say 
> 20 active contributors and a drive-by load equivalent to what TiddlyWiki.com 
>  gets now?

One would need to break that down to the level of individual Lambda executions 
and data accesses in order to do a robust estimate, but it wouldn’t be very 
much.

It’s important to understand is that AWS pricing is incredibly cheap, and 
getting cheaper all the time. For any given load it’s pretty much always 
cheaper than a dedicated server would be. What requires a different way of 
thinking is that in the old world of servers one provisioned a service by 
choosing the server one could afford. The service would then scale up to the 
capacity of that server, and when saturated it would fail in some way. The 
advantage of that architecture is that you have a cap on the monthly costs 
because the cost of the server is fixed.

In serverless environments like AWS you don’t have that cap. If demand grows, 
the infrastructure just keeps scaling. It’s incredibly useful; I had a task 
that was taking 20 minutes to perform as a sequence of four or five Lambdas, 
and I was able to reduce the execution time to 20 seconds just by splitting the 
work into 200 parallel lambdas. The ultimate promise of running TiddlyWiki in 
the cloud is that we will be able to use it for the kind of “big data” projects 
that overwhelm TiddlyWiki running on a single machine.

Anyhow, we do have one important capability to limit runaway costs which is 
that Amazon includes a content delivery network that caches static content at 
the edge of the network. That avoids the crippling costs associated with, say, 
being featured on a high traffic website like HackerNews or SlashDot.

> I hope this amazon solution could be open, because many of us may be prepared 
> to host our own shared environments on Amazon ourselves, even at some cost.

Some of the new components I’ve built for Xememex are already open sourced, and 
I’ll continue to open source stuff as it makes sense.

> Not withstanding that for community access solutions that have back-end costs 
> please never underestimate community contributions from  Crowd funding 
> (initial and ongoing) Patrion to optional donations and tip jars to fund such 
> services. The addition of a target that shows % funding raised can also be 
> helpful.

I’m enthusiastic about using crowd funding to kickstart a business or social 
enterprise, but I know from friends who have done it successfully that it 
requires a lot of time and attention to get it right. Patreon is a bit more 
interesting because it focusses on managing ongoing revenue, and seems ideal 
for covering running costs of some modest community infrastructure.

I have not explored community funding along those lines because I would still 
need to be doing something else commercial to earn an income. So, my current 
approach is a commercial initiative: trying to build a sustainable business by 
offering other businesses and individuals a professionally managed cloud 
TiddlyWiki service.

> Non coercive opportunities to fund community projects is not 
> commercialisation, it is simply permitting the community to empower itself.

Absolutely. I should have said that one of the simplest models I can see for 
funding community infrastructure would be to simply ask people signing up to 
donate as much as they can afford of a suggested donation. If we find that 
we’re coming up short then we can have a funding drive and try to drum up more 
donations. As you note, services like Patreon have made it easy to manage that 
sort of thing. I’d be pretty confident that we could cover the costs in that 
way.

But, I’m pretty bad with money, and the prospect of managing cash for the 
community rather terrifies me.

> Perhaps larger larger than plugin solutions such as tiddlyDesktop, 
> TiddlyAmazon should have a one of or reoccurring contribution option, regular 
> contributors could then post an I Support TiddlyWiki (financially) 
> certificate on their site, which also promotes TiddlyWiki and further 
> donations.

If Federatial were doing well enough out of offering Xememex as a commercial 
TiddlyWiki cloud hosting service then it would

[tw] Re: Generate table with tiddler fields as columns

I made a plugin that does that here: 

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